Parajet VS Fly Products - Good, Bad, & Ugly | AviatorPPG

[@robroy25]

Well done Eric...you and your team are true ambassadors to this amazing sport. Cheers.

[@aviator]

Thank you Rob, we’re doing our very best to serve, always.

[@clayguinard3651]

I guess as long as he doesn't call you a troll everything's all fine but anyways I want to let you know that being transparent is a good stock to cleaning up their act...

[@falconron4217]

Thanks, Eric you and your team are true ambassadors to this amazing sport. robroy said it best. I could not top that. I had 320 hours on a my19, I had to replace the exhaust header with aero aftermarket. Solved that permanently. Had a mishap on a takeoff and rolled the trike at a very low speed and got sand in the air filter. By the time I discovered the problem it had killed the tolerance at intake and exhaust ports. Four starter repairs, fuel lines, carb kit, with jug and piston, inspection with decompression hole cleaning with a 4mm drill. Every 100 hours. Ran 66 to one with Mutol 800. 89 octane non-ethanol fuel. Seems to me exact carb tuning is the lifeline of these engines. From 300 to 320 hours when it died ( sand in carb ). Also, have a top 80, love this simple and reliable little thing but don't use it much anymore. This 185 is so easy to work on. So exploring different oil now from Walmart, synthetic Valvoline 27.00 per gallon. Run about 100 gallons of mixed fuel through it so far in the past 8 weeks. Trying a 50 to one mix for now. I may have enough oil for 5 more gallons? Then I'm going to pull the jug do an inspection and clean the decompression port. See what the piston and head look like. I want to see how this oil performs. I'll post a video on this oil. I do long flights on a 24m Speedster 3 now. Love this wing so far. Had it for about 7 weeks. Beats the hell out of my old mojo5. Most of my flights are 65 to 80 + miles. This Speedster cuts a lot of time off my flights now. I'm retired so if the weather is 3 to no more than 8 gusting, I'm in the air. Sometimes I do 5 to 10 gusting..

[@JonathanHair]

Eric, I appreciate the efforts to bring more professionalism to this "industry", if you can call it that. I think one area that could be improved is official communications from manufacturer to owners. For example, owners should be able to register their units and then be notified of issues. This is important if there is a safety issue in particular. It's frustrating that my paramotor manufacturer makes "official" announcements on Facebook. That is just unprofessional. For example, swing arm bolts breaking is a serious issue! It demands greater attention than a Facebook post. As a dealer, maybe you can fill this void. An owner registration would be valuable for your business I think! Pressuring the manufacturer to do this would be great too. Best

[@aviator]

Jonathan Hair this is something we’re in the process of doing! Awesome feedback, thank you!

[@bobmcelver1484]

After hearing Eric's positivity about the product & sport you just can't help but want to train and buy from him/them (Aviator).......great enthusiasm and focus toward students and customer service.....Nice job bud !

[@clayguinard3651]

He is changing up his game it seems

[@maxbootstrap7397]

It's impossible to evaluate these failure rates without knowing total number of units sold. A ballpark number would help a lot. Thanks.

[@aviator]

Can't speak for the manufacturers but a few hundred from us alone.

[@maxbootstrap7397]

@@aviator : Thanks. Since you are only reporting the problems you and your customers encountered, it is only your numbers that matter in the analysis. The rate of problems encountered so far seems fairly reasonable for 8 months.

[@fobio2101]

Had a clutch pad fall off due to the adhesive failing on a motor I bought through aviator. This happened about a month ago. They took care of me. Easy fix. Great service.

[@mikebrady2073]

AviatorPPG ... Simply the Best there is.

[@Subway1427]

Very cool that you did a video like this. It shows how well you, not only stand by your products but that you are also straight up and honest with your past, present and (hopefully like my self) future clients. It really does show that you care about all aspects.

[@Accurize2]

“They’re all garbage in their own way.” Well that level of honesty and your company’s stellar reputation his just committed me to buying from you in about 12-24 months when I’m ready for my first purchase. Thank you so much for these Good, Bad, and Ugly reviews of your products at the key life cycle intervals. Keep it up!

[@aviator]

Accurize2 | Survival Gaming Channel honored to have your business!

[@aviator]

You ready yet? :)

[@subilife4609]

As a new paramotor pilot and recently purchasing and atom 80 this is very reassuring to know what to keep an eye on. It’s nice to have someone out here being honest and not just trying to make money. U guys are bomb. Thanks for being you

[@Trekurself409]

I haven’t even trained or bought gear yet and this video has relieved some anxieties I have about getting into the sport. Good science is wonderful to the ear and the wallet. 👍 can’t wait to train at AviatorPPG!

[@shaneharvey1026]

This kind of transparency and honesty is a great service to the sport and says good things about Aviator and your school. I also appreciate your move to Parajet and Fly products. These are simply better products than some of the earlier brands and promoting them forces all the players in the industry to step up their game. And this benefits everyone. Thank you.

[@parasportz]

Thank you, Eric. Although I'm not in the US, I gained value from this video. Great job, Mate!!!

[@fobio2101]

My atom 80 air box fell off my parajet yesterday. The good thing was that it happened when I was putting it in my trunk. Tightened it up and had a good flight that evening.

[@ollylewin]

Love you guys. Theres a reason why you are world leaders. Keep up the great work!

[@StanBarankiewicz]

Really appreciate these type of videos. Thanks for eliminating the hype and providing honest information!

[@govols2012]

Post another video Stan, I want to see some west coast flight!

[@StanBarankiewicz]

@@govols2012, it is the works. I know I have been behind. I let training for my muli-engine commercial and instrument rating take away from video editing.

[@woblodmailliw]

Honesty is absolutely the best policy. Ignoring or hiding issues does nobody any good.

[@DougBow96]

Appreciate the transparency, thank you

[@clayguinard3651]

Should have been that way from day one

[@20bluebug]

Cudos to you Eric. Your honesty gain you an even broader customer base!

[@syedahmed5442]

Phew! The WPM (words per minute) will definitely be close to a world record. Appreciate the transparency and the idea of extended warranty!

[@aviator]

Syed Taskeen Ahmed haha yeah, apologies... I was on a roll!

[@joshuamelvin]

Absolutely LOVE MY Dual Start!!!! Great review and this gear is worth every penny. Flying all the time now in comfort with power to spare.

[@MrBigjoecincy]

I have been really happy with my Atom 80 so far. Only issue I've had is it not going all the way back to idle after it's warmed up. Surprised it wasn't mentioned because I know a lot of people have had that issue. It's super light and it's nice being able to kite and just reach over your shoulder and starting it with just a finger. I think the exhaust looks cool after you get some hours on it. I haven't had any oil leaking issues at the exhaust. For some reason mine doesn't start as well as everyone seems to be able to start theirs when it's cold, still never a problem though and once warmed up the easiest ever. The double hoop on my Rider has saved my prop once I think and it really seems sturdy when I was making "beginner landings" haha. Couldn't be happier with my Roadster 3. I have been having a lot of fun with it and I still haven't put speed bar in or tied in my steering haha

[@aviator]

I'm so grateful to hear of your good experience! I've found that the Atom only needs a tiny squirt of prime to start first pull. Even in cold. Getting the idle right is definitely an art, but you've got this! Glad you're happy with your wing too! :D

[@2feetaheartbeat472]

Watching this because I’m about to buy a parajet with the my20 from u guys! Through Scott. Thanks for the video u guys keep it real!

[@aviator]

Awesome man! Scott who? :)

[@larrykorell750]

You can't say Vitto has taken it to the next level as the Moster STILL has the muffler issue. And it's been an issue for years. When they fix it for once, I'll agree. Vortex Aero might have the fix....now how can they do it but not Vitto? I guess we'll see if the VA fix is truly a fix...if so, it makes Vitto look like their engineers are clueless when a small company can out engineer them.....thinking outloud, maybe it's an Italian pride thing? My Polini 130 tends to have a flash starter breaking issue. Little did they know that the easy fix was just installing the Polini 200 starter on the 130! now, zero issues with it. Now, 200 hours since the replacement and not one issue with that motor. And the vibration level is so low on it...a balancing countershaft reduces vibration immensely....why doesn't vitto do that like Polini did? just so many questions.

[@grahamlockley4435]

Please edit your username, all the while you have WPPGA World Champion as part of your tag I can't take you seriously

[@CRKananen]

service is the highest form of leadership.

[@clayguinard3651]

Trust is the highest level of.....

[@BSmithPPG]

Have a Nirvana Rodeo and been flying it for almost 3 years. No springs on the exhaust. No having to be careful on the warmup or cool down. Never had a cracked exhaust. Never had an engine out. Never had an air box issue. Never had any issues at all, so I see others having their exhausts crack and springs pop off and engines going out and oil leaking and it amazes me because I have just never had a problem. Maybe I got lucky?

[@aviator]

I’ve flown SO many hours on Nirvanas with very few issues as well! They’re heavy and expensive, but until you get in the 300+ hour range, we had few issues. I haven’t personally tested the F-Light, and in the US, they’re a bit too expensive to be viable for us, but Pavel has always been an incredible engineer and someone I consider a good friend. Nirvana is certainly not the right motor for everyone (weight, fragility, and price), but they have done a few things extremely right.

[@BSmithPPG]

AviatorShow Thanks for your response. I agree. I don’t think I would buy a Nirvana Instinct or F-Flight due to fragility and the price. Heck, Rodeos are pricey too, but I have been pleased with the “no-issues” characteristics and ruggedness. I’m thankful for your vids that help present the pros and cons and try to help improve things all around. Keep it up!

[@81griffin]

The Toyota corolla of paramotors. Just runs and runs. My next will be a nirvana.

[@JasonGut]

Very cool video and great information Eric. Oh and no, I dont mind if you read the list off you phone. 😁

[@kevincrews1088]

Good looking RV! I need to come fly with you guys😎

[@aviator]

You would be most welcome!

[@Brantel.]

Thanks for the open honesty Eric! Can't wait to attend training in March!

[@aviator]

Brian Chesteen SO excited to have you... You must bring your RV though!

[@StatFlight407]

Excellent video Eric. Very helpful and informative. My next machine will likely be a Maverick so knowing that Parajet continues to dial it in is very encouraging. I am curious about the scissor lift that is supporting the motor in the video. Do you have any information on it? That would be ideal for my paramotor in the garage!

[@aviator]

It’s from Harbor Freight!! Fantastic lift!

[@kitkat0981]

thanks for your honesty Eric, much appreciated ! I have a C.Leste Ody.C (Made in Quebec) with a MY19 Moster 185 and after 10hrs so far, 0 issues, and running 3% oil still. Only 1 issue i have started to notice that at steady rpm it seems to be missing a litle bit. Im thinking this is a plug startin to fail.

[@segwaydave]

Holy Carp! A scissor crumple zone with wheels!!! 😜. Thanks for the honest info! Great job!

[@aviator]

David Mytchak hahaha

[@77notshy]

Great info Eric Farewell keeping it clear.

[@BrandonHughes]

Good to know on the throttle zip tie.. I'll have to go check mine

[@johnnywisconny]

Mosters seam to have the largest aftermarket. I like that.

[@CrimFerret]

My take away from this compared to the similar videos on that 'previous brand' is that it's mostly been things external to the core engine. Having an exhaust crack is frustrating, but sure not as worrying to me as a a crack in one of the engine castings. The hose clamp issue with the airbox sounds pretty easy to fix. The exhaust cracking maybe will take a bit more engineering. I'm thinking they maybe tried to make them too light and/or out of a material that couldn't handle the thermal and mechanical stress. I'd be curious whether the factory edition with the titanium exhaust has the same issue.

[@philthayer4087]

What about the FLATOP? If the exhaust cracks it fixes itself in flight! 😁

[@dariuszkaps1444]

how do you know no problem with overheating moster???? do you have any cht or egt sensor??? do you can show how many piston pin and bearing are discolorating (brown to blue sign of overheating)and no longer shiny silver,same botton crank bearing pin. can you be honest and open moster motors after 50 ÷60 hours.

[@aviator]

There is a video on this channel with us opening one after over 200 hours.

[@gsp2west]

Eric, what is the pilot weight range for the Atom 80 Eclipse ? I still have my Nitro but looking into a 2nd unit.

[@degklump1999]

2:18 8-10hour milling for one carburetor! Then you can't complain about the $160 for a carb :D

[@12vibaba]

they are Walbro carbs, so i have doubts on that claim. they don't make the carbs.

[@degklump1999]

@@12vibaba if you disassemble, measure and inspect and still can't determine any difference from a ordinary WB37 after 8-10 hours of milling, seems a little bit strange for someone who know what milling is, and especially when you know that 1 hour costs about $100 in a nc milling machine :)

[@luappaul7240]

Just like the rest of it nothing but junk there is no way that's true

[@SMarti018]

I bought a vortex exhaust after my Rossi exhaust cracked after 10 hours… The Vortex has a pine hole leak as well.

[@lobbyrobby]

It's great when manufacturers update products but sometimes I feel like as soon as they work out all the issues they update something and then find new problems. I personally would never buy the first year of a new redesigned vehicle. I wait a couple years to see how it is.

[@FlyShootTravelSleepRepeat]

Thank you Eric very informative for a new pilot……and it does confirm to me i will only get an electric paramotor. Rg Bernd

[@aviator]

Glad it helped! I can't wait for electrics to be viable.

[@Chris-Fennimore]

Extended Warranty! Sweet!

[@parapilot09]

but not free like AC, you have to purchase it!

[@supermotosize]

Would prefer a tried and true paramotor that starts, shuts off, and doesn’t vibrate apart and throw crap into the prop a month out of the box. Where is the quality control? Guess that doesn’t exist yet. Given ppg is a form of aviation...imagine flying an airplane that had this frequent of mechanical issues. When you train you are taught to have a practice of always having a way out for a motor failure. Most paramotor pilots,even with careful preflight and OCD maintenance regimens still have stories of Multiple motor outs. I can only dream of the day Honda has a fuel injected lightweight paramotor engine. I’d prefer a heavier, lower power engine that I know will run than the latest greatest lightweight motor. I guess vitarazi moster is the closest thing to that. But still, why the high failure rate? Reliable first, everything else is secondary...

[@fairbanksairriders]

Wonder when Aviator will offer electric paramotors. Personally I like having a light motor (EOS 100 Booster) that may occasionally have minor issues. Smooth Skies and then we Fly.

[@maxwellspeed2468]

I love the shorter videos. Thanks

[@isaaco8056]

Thank you for being transparent good video

[@notsosilentmajority1]

Watch to the very end ......... Good stuff !!

[@Linkman81]

When do they expect the new vitorazzi exhaust to be released? Ballpark idea would suffice. Just need to determine whether I should wait or just go ahead and get it now.

[@aviator]

Brandon Linker January is what is scheduled!

[@JG0929]

Has moster exhaust issue been resolved yet?

[@leannetrout6073]

Love ya Chop Shoey!! You da man!

[@vmlinuxz]

They have got to split the exhaust, and put a LOT beefier springs, and get rid of the little gasket because that is a dumb idea that doesn't work at all. Vortex aero builds aftermarket exhuasts that don't break, why can't vitto. My E start just broke on my my19 =(

[@Kingjusty]

Thanks for this video!

[@1falconron]

Thanks very helpful.

[@danbyers6341]

How long does it take to ship replacement parts under warranty?

[@aviator]

Usually around 24 hours if we have them in stock. We keep basically everything in-stock.

[@beardedavaitor9502]

Who makes that paramotor cart in the background.

[@michaelkennedy2528]

Thats basically a transmission jack with a wooden top it appears. Harborfreight sells that jack, grab it from there and modify that baby. www.harborfreight.com/450-lbs-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html

[@leannetrout6073]

Love ya chop shoey!

[@davidcrooks1752]

Eric !!!!! Are you insane 😱 suggesting the customer has options. 10:10 "you have a choice where you buy your Paramotor" You'll be out of business in a week (joke) Excellent vid 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@aviator]

Haha thanks David! We're always honored by everyone's business!

[@rcarsey]

should be a car salesman!

[@DaRoach5882]

So why no more air conception?

[@aviator]

DaRoach5882 search KZbin for “Farewell to Air Conception” we put out a video detailing the reasons last year.

[@OK_Boda]

I expected more talk about the frames themselves

[@aviator]

Kevin Swoboda we haven’t had any issues with either frame to date.

[@dreamfunction4491]

Show the product NOT yourself.

[@ppgbobfather9919]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@luappaul7240]

They are all garbage in there own way you say. That's almost true except for they guys around here that have fresh breeze and have ZERO problems except for the odd belt. I fly with about 6 guys in the area and almost every time the guys with scout and anything but freshbreeze are always working on there rig Oh and one more question why are you guys always changing brands are you guys that bad of salespeople

[@aviator]

Lol, that seems like a very back handed series of questions and statements. Hope you get to fly again soon and enjoy the heck out of it!

[@luappaul7240]

Mabe call fresh breeze they will let ya sell some good stuff lol

[@aviator]

Luap Paul if only we were good salespeople

[@luappaul7240]

Well you know cant say salesman now days lol. but it just seems your always changing product are they going out of business or what's going on it makes it hard for guys to buy something and if they need parts not sure where to get them

[@aviator]

@@luappaul7240 We still carry all the parts from every brand we've imported... And we've only changed brands once in the past several years.

[@larrykorell750]

If everyone stopped buying the moster till the muffler was fixed, I guaranty every body at Vitto would be focusing on fixing the issue...and it would get done. Until then, people will buy, mufflers will keep failing....this has been going on way to long. Money talks. I'm guessing it won't get fixed in the near term.....the muffler seems made of too thin a metal and it seems the resonance of the motor is just tearing it apart...IMHO

[@77notshy]

Unfurtunetly, if the are getting the muffler from an other party, that party may be using cheap metal(material),so, the actual paramotor manufactures are stuck with that type of mufflers and it may still happening. But a little bird told me that they are gonna come with some modifications to realese the stress on the mufflers to help them to not crack as easy.