Paris Olympics JUDO. Ryuju Nagayama falls in controversial ruling in Paris. Francisco Garrigos

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

as a judo referee I CAN NOT comperhend how a judge that makes that kind of decisions ends up on the olimpics

[@risy95]

What do you think about the mixed team finals?

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

@@risy95 Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch a lot of matches due to work so IDK what happened. I didn't even see this match to be honest but I read about it and the fact is that a Mate was called and the referee did not stop the contestant from holding his opponent in the choke hold which is unacceptable.

[@risy95]

​@@PeoplecallmeLucifer Obviously, there are usually more sides to a story, but if it's as they say, then it was a huge mistake. I asked about the other, because both my dad, me and the Hungarian commentators feelt like the referee was inconsistent with shido(u?)s. I asked because I'm nowhere near an expert. Spoiler: It was 3:1 for Japan and the French contestant had 2 shido(u)s already. The Japanese was attacking constantly and the referee seemingly ignored everything until the French somehow managed to score.

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

@@risy95 hmmm. Usually the judges should get a little less tolerant as the time passes. But it might just be that they were told to avoid ending matches on shidos. I watched the final fight Rinere vs Saito and I think that was very much the case. That is a double edge sword though because of the controversy like the one you're talking about

[@risy95]

@@PeoplecallmeLucifer I see. I read about some complaints. The result will always feel wrong to me. Home crowd booing the opponent, draw basically deciding the winner team... Japan should've won, but they weren't good enough to eliminate luck and other factors from the result.

[@shkim103]

Spanish player should have been disqualified. Watch the Olympics when Evander Holyfield made a punch after the judge's call. Holifield ended up losing the match. Here the Spaniard should have been disqualified. Japanese player should have won.

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

Me gustaría saber si opinarías lo mismo si el contendiente en vez de ser español fuese anglosajón. Yo he practicado judo muchos años y le puedo decir que nadie se estrangula en 5 segundos. El japonés estaba completamente dominado y de hecho el mate fue un error del árbitro puesto que el japonés estaba completamente sometido. Le puedo decir que en ocasiones en mis combates no he oido el mate por el ruido de la gente. Aquí hay muchas cosas que examinar pero lo sencillo es descalificar al judoka español. Parece ser que hay una regla no escrita de que los japoneses siempre deben llegar a las finales. Lo sencillo también es descalificar al juez. Se presentó una queja y fue revisada y no se cambió el resultado, pero claro. Que osadía privar al japonés de su medalla. BRAVO FRAN.

[@Art-kz6zf]

In which combat sport you can just keep on fighting your opponent if the judge tells the competitors to the center of the ring. In no combat sport. Ever. Just incomprehensible judging....

[@sethmanukula176]

no it's not incomprehensible - it's stealing the victorious

[@vinceocratic]

That referee was garbage! Also, it was very difficult to watch Abe Uta’s loss and mental breakdown. I hope she recovers comes back stronger.

[@koningklootzak7788]

Shame on anybody who support the match result.

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

as a judo referee I CAN NOT comperhend how a judge that makes that kind of decisions ends up on the olimpics

[@koningklootzak7788]

@@PeoplecallmeLucifer totally agree. Highest level athletes are being judged by amateur referees. That makes the entire Olympics not worthy to be taken seriously.

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

Como dice?. Usted quien se cree que es?. Aquí hay muchas cosas que discutir y no por eso hay que avergonzarse. Verguenza para usted que se permite el lujo de insultar a la gente que no comparte su opinión

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

@@justoibaneztrujillo5602 I am not insulting anyone. I am saying that this kind of mistake ( being indecisive with a mate ) is something I've been warned about the first time I refereed! so a Complete amateur there. If I did something like this my coach would probably never call me to another refereeing job.

[@fnclncnnc]

we lie we cheat we steal - olympics spirits

[@gibbs-13]

Andres Iniesta is Spain's greatest and nicest athlete, but this Spanish judo player ruined all the good reputations of Spain.

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

Como dices?. Me parece que exagera usted. La reputación de los deportistas españoles no se toca. De dónde es usted para traerle ejemplos de deportistas anglosajones que han hecho cosas peores. Vaya a llorar a su casa

[@WhipperSnapperv]

Garrigos and ref need to be disqualified and CHARGED!! ABSOULUTE DISGRACE!

[@risy95]

Not the only "debatable" result. Since I can't change anything, good luck to the judo team I hope next time they'll be even stronger. Have a nice day!

[@TheTeccala]

Sorry from France, I swear we love Judo, but watching this is so painful... Garrigos should have been the recipient of a hansoku make (and maybe a fine, a dangerous choke after the ref called mate)

[@Alexandra-us2zo]

No es su primera competencia deberían descalificarlo deportivamente para siempre de todo torneo internacional vergüenza mundial!!!

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

Como dices?. Tu de que vas?. Verguenza mundial la tuya

[@sethmanukula176]

Garrigos shouldn't have the medal... after the "mate" he should release... that's the rule...

[@louisferdinand4014]

The problem is coming from the judge, why these people from the Olympic staff accept to give him the medal ? It's a non sense !

[@alexmost166]

Regardless of who should win. A competitor that is being controlled, be it a choke, an arm-lock or a hold, should never stop defending thwir position on a Mate. The dominating party releases and stand up, then you get up. As for the referee, after they yelled Mate, they should have made sure the match is over. Tap the opponent etc. If the choke continued after the Mate, defiantly the person still performing a choke or armlock after the Mate should lose.

[@emmanuellesomeroboe]

@marceloisoni9158 bullshit argument. I'm watching a martial art, not a fight to death. Matte is matte, it's part of the rule. You don't choke your partner further after matte has been said. Period. Garrigos should have been disqualufied. That's the rule. You like it or not, that's the rule.

[@user-hj5le6lo9w]

The Spain player took away four years that Nagayama dedicated to training for that olympic moment. I hope the Spain player can comprehend that everytime he looks at his bronze medal or steps on the tatami.

[@crdude806]

so saying the spain player didnt train for years? get real

[@user-hj5le6lo9w]

@@crdude806 He trained but he cheated. That medal he took home is tarnished.

[@emmanuellesomeroboe]

Shame on both Garrigos and referee. An athlete training for 4 years and such a cheating attitude, and complicity of the whole arbitree team, is SOOOO shameful. But olympics and judo referees are so corrupted, nothing is surprising any more from them. I feel really sorry for Nagayama Riuju, and for Japan. Japanese judo is the best anyways. European judo is butchery compared to it. A French judoka.

[@helple55]

I am an outsider to judo but fairly understand the dynamics of high stakes competition so I have to ask - could this not be that the judge was not sure if the japanese athlete had already blacked out and could not tap out, or he actually was concious but was waiting for mate... or that the spanish athlete falsely claims they didn't hear "mate". I'm not sure... this must be a very difficult situation for the judge at this level but perhaps it was a tough but correct call? it feels like we basically don't know who made these choices for what reason..

[@mom-o8n9s]

因みにこの女の審判は、世界大会で別の日本人の選手を誤審で落としてる 同じスペイン人勝たせた

[@gerhardklein9348]

Congratulations - that's a very accurate description of the problem. I have seen a lot of such situations on different levels and this ruling is in accordance to the rules and the referee ruled like all the referees did in those similar situations. Japanese fans are the worst in accepting a defeat but brush over lightly when their judoka win by lets say problematic decision - a big hype was inevitable. The japanese should realize, that the do not have the homcourt advantage inParis as they had in Tokiyo 2021

[@goooooooooooooood]

”MATE” is a command to stop the game. ”HAJIME” is an order to resume the match. ”IPPON” is a declaration that the winner has been decided. In this case, “IPPON” was declared after “MATE” and before “HAJIME” was declared. In boxing terms, it is as if the bell rang and before the bell rang again, both fighters were in their corners when the 10-count began and the winner was decided.

[@みやび-y9y]

試合中断している時間に攻撃して取った勝利

[@TheYesnoyesnoyesno]

I'm an outsider too, but can't help thinking that it's the referees job to make a decision (Mate) and ensure the command is respected - like a ref blowing a whistle several times until players stop. Irrespective of whether they hear the whistle or not, all play after the decision cannot be counted. I can understand the spanish guy's PoV, and even that refs make mistakes - but I cannot understand how the decision cannot be challenged and overturned.

[@augustineleudar]

disgrace

[@Dankimura1]

IJF for decades shows discrimination against Asians... (Japaneses and Koreans mostly) Just watch the comments from Neil and others during matches in tournaments...

[@spooky_carp7761]

As a Korean, this is because the West views us as inferior beings. Any East Asians who lived or study in Europe will know this firsthand. It is important for both Koreans and Japanese to work together in uplifting the image of East Asia and its people. We support Nagayama and Japan against the SPanish robbery.

[@alancat2705]

Hansoku make !.. not ippon?

[@jamin-r4k]

could be that nagayama was already unconscious before the mate calling.

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

EXACTAMENTE. Nadie ha reparado en eso. Yo he practicado judo muchos años y le puedo decir que nadie se estrangula en 5 segundos. El japonés estaba completamente dominado. Incluso la orden de mate pudo ser un error arbitral

[@THEANPHROPY]

Thank you for the upload Brother. It appears that the Portuguese judoka during the heat of the moment did not maintain comprehension of the matte call along with his opponent moving. A mistake I am sure: so PLEASE forgive this judoka!!! The Japanese judoka should be reinstated into the competition!!! Peace & Love!

[@sethmanukula176]

forgive? it's Olympics - he should be in the top of the pool of judokas from his country so he must follow the rules more than anything

[@KZGP7PST]

Stop acting like a bullied child, such as crying and falling asleep. Don't be afraid to loudly argue against inappropriate judgments. Children of parents who are bullied tend to have a weak personality. If I am acting with the money I pay from taxes, please do not rely on me to protect myself or meet with federations or committees. "Are we going to do the same thing as Russia, which invaded the four northern islands after the Pacific War?" I want them to say enough to make it a political issue. Doing things that Europe doesn't like is the way to graduate from being a bullied child.

[@jlindsey1991]

They will probably give the Japanese judoka his gold medal months later. Things like this happened like the last olympic in 2022 when a Russian tested positive for drugs in the figure skating.

[@marceloisoni9158]

The referee was wrong on calling a mate. The choke was on

[@emmanuellesomeroboe]

Doesn't make a difference. Mate is mate

[@marceloisoni9158]

@@emmanuellesomeroboe It's a fucking martial art. You don't agree, go watch ballet. The choke was on. The japanese would've died if it was real

[@-Capitan-]

⁠@@marceloisoni9158​​⁠​⁠you clearly know nothing about martial arts. The only way spain can win a medal is by disgrace. Whats worse is Spain defending his actions.

[@goooooooooooooood]

@@marceloisoni9158 As you probably know, judo is not a martial art or a combat sport, but a BUDO, so the purpose of a match is not to hurt your opponent and beat him so that he cannot get up, but to gain the pleasure of knowing his body techniques while appreciating the opportunity of a lifetime with your opponent. Therefore, even during a match, you should never cease to thank your opponent for playing against you. You have probably seen many competitors helping their opponents to their feet or teaching their opponents to bleed after the referee has called "MATE" in a judo match. This is because during a fight, you must always pay close attention to whether there are any abnormalities in the physical condition of yourself and your opponent, and fight in your best condition. (In the self-centered judgment of the Japanese, if you see a fighter worrying about an opponent's injury or pointing out bleeding after "MATE" you can judge that the fighter is following the right master.) The first thing that is taught in judo is ukemi, and this is a clear indication of the characteristics of the art. Athletes who cannot perform ukemi perfectly will accumulate damage to their bodies over the course of a match, making it difficult for them to fight at their best. For this reason, they are not allowed to go up to the tatami by the shihan. Ukemi is important not only for your own sake, but also for your opponent to continue to perform at their best. In the past in Japan, many middle and high school students (121 people) lost their lives due to shime techniques and osoto-gari. In many cases, the students suffered severe brain damage, if not fatalities. Therefore, when they are in middle school, Japanese judo players are taught by their instructors that they must learn shime-waza and feel the tightening of the carotid artery, and that when they feel this sensation, they must always tap their opponent somewhere on the body to signal their surrender. (Because it is so easy to kill a human being, shime-jutsu is prohibited for elementary school students.) On the other hand, those who apply shime-jutsu are also taught to pay close attention to their opponents while they are locked, and to be aware of their surroundings so that they do not miss the referee's call. However, the more inexperienced a player is, the more excited he becomes about the game, and the more he loses his ability to hear the voices of those around him. Who can blame a young player for being so excited about the game that he does not hear "MATE". (Of course, if the fighter continued to intentionally choke the opponent after the “wait”, it would be considered attempted murder or an act of murder, and would be judged by law, not by judo, so I will not go into that here. In the case of martial arts and budo, if a fighter strikes from behind after the bell has rung or after the referee has intervened, it may be considered negligence on the part of the competitor who was caught off guard before coming off the mat and not subject to criminal punishment, but in judo, if the fighter continues to hold intentionally after the “wait” is called, it is prosecuted as attempted murder.) Therefore, the referee must carefully and instantly judge whether the athlete has missed the "MATE", and if there is no intention to let go of the body, he must immediately strike the athlete to make him aware of it, and if he still does not notice, he must forcefully pull him off the body. The technique performed by Garrigós, Kataha-jime (IJF:KHJ) uses the lapel of the judo uniform to exert pressure on the carotid arteries. This technique does not cause unconsciousness by blocking the airway, but by restraining the carotid arteries and preventing blood from flowing to the brain. To prevent this technique, the collar should be placed against the chin to keep it from entering the neck, but if this defense is continued, the airway will continue to be compressed and breathing will become very difficult. Nagayama was waiting desperately for the “MATE” while he was unable to breathe. So, if Nagayama was conscious, he would not miss the word “MATE” from the referee. The moment he heard the “MATE” call, we saw on the video that Nagayama opened his body to the right side in order to stand up. From the timing, we can assume that Nagayama heard the “MATE” call, and at that moment, in order to stand up, he moved his body down to the side, lifted his chin, resumed his breath, which he had previously held, and inhaled fully. Garrigós, on the other hand, was so excited about the match that he did not hear “MATE. For some reason, Nagayama's neck suddenly opened up, and he was so happy not to let this moment slip away because it was his way to victory that he pressed his collar against his carotid artery and continued to press in. Did the referee do what he was supposed to do in this situation? I don't think so. I also feel that the follow-up by the referees afterwards was totally inadequate. So I felt that there was too much lack of education for the referees. Also, did Garrigós' teacher teach Garrigós the importance of paying maximum attention to the referee's calls while locking? To me, that seems to be the biggest problem there. Garrigós or Nagayama may have been at fault, but I personally feel that the mistakes of both players were insignificant and trivial.If an athlete is so absorbed in a match that he misses a referee's call, of course he needs to be instructed, but I do not feel that it is such a crime that he should be permanently banned from the judo world.However, if a referee fails to make appropriate judgments or take appropriate actions in a situation where the life of an player may be at stake, I think he or she should stop being involved in the game and just enjoy watching the matches at home.

[@justoibaneztrujillo5602]

@@emmanuellesomeroboe Si hay diferencia. No se da mate cuando un judoka está completamente dominado. Pero de eso no se habla. Si el afectado fuese el español nadie diría nada. A llorar a casa. Bravo Fran

[@artuchok4162]

I’m Spanish living in Japan and I have great respect for this country. It saddens me to read so many negative comments from Japanese people towards the Spanish athlete. The Spanish athlete already explained on TV that he didn’t hear the word, which is why he continued. Francisco, like Nagayama, loves judo and has practiced it since he was a child. Francisco greatly respects judo and Japan, the birthplace of this sport. Living here, I notice that Japanese people are often very individualistic and hold grudges. You may be familiar with the term “建前”. This is why, in competitions, Spanish people usually excel in team sports while Japanese people excel in individual sports. I believe a society is built with collaboration, not individualism. The problem was with the jury and the organization. The Spanish athlete didn’t decide anything. What the Japanese athlete decided was not to shake hands with the Spanish athlete at the end. Sport should be an example of effort, not hate. Sometimes life is unfair, but we should always be respectful. I am just sharing my opinion and I respect others’ views. I like your content and I hope this helps to see different perspectives. 私は日本に住んでいるスペイン人で、この国をとても尊敬しています。日本人の多くのネガティブなコメントを読むと悲しくなります。 スペインのアスリートは、テレビでその言葉を聞かなかったと説明しました。それで続けたのです。フランシスコは、永山選手と同じように、子供の頃から柔道を愛し、練習してきました。フランシスコは柔道とその発祥の地である日本を非常に尊敬しています。 ここに住んでいると、日本人は非常に個人主義で恨みを持ちやすいと感じます。つまり、「建前」という言葉をご存じでしょう。そのため、競技ではスペイン人は団体競技で活躍し、日本人は個人競技で活躍することが多いです。社会は協力によって築かれるものであり、個人主義ではないと思います。 問題は審査員と組織にありました。スペイン人は何も決めていません。日本人が決めたのは、最後にスペイン人と握手をしないことでした。スポーツは努力の例であるべきで、憎しみの例ではありません。 時には人生が不公平なこともありますが、常に尊敬を持って接するべきです。 これは私の意見を共有しているだけであり、他の意見も尊重します。あなたのコンテンツが好きで、これが他の視点を理解するのに役立つことを願っています。

[@Tube-su2sf]

No es razonable que Nagayama haya escuchado a Mate mientras lo apretaban, pero Galligos no pudo. Algunos españoles carecen de espíritu deportivo y son atletas cobardes que no juegan limpio contra sus oponentes, como Sara Sorribes Tormo descalificó a Kato en el Abierto de Francia por medios sucios y sucios. 絞められている永山が待てを聞いているのに、ガリゴスが聞こえなかったは無理がある Sara Sorribes Tormoが全仏オープンで卑劣で汚い手段で加藤を失格にしたように、スペイン人は スポーツマンシップに欠け、対戦相手に対して正々堂々戦わない卑怯なアスリートが見受けられる

[@marceloisoni9158]

@@artuchok4162 I couldn't agree more.

[@jlindsey1991]

It still was unfair

[@toro9908]

待てが聞こえなかったとしても、待てが掛かっていたという事実があるのだから、スペインの選手は判定を聞かなかった自分の落ち度を認める姿勢は持つべきだと日本人の私は思います。 彼も、彼のコーチ達も自分の勝利に少しの傷も付けたくないような言動しかしていません。 彼は嘘つきではないかも知れないが、誠実さを持ち合わせていないと思います。 なお、握手をしていたら、その後どんな議論が起ころうとも永山は握手をして判定を認めたという結論になってしまうので、握手をしなかった選択は間違いではないと思います。

[@goooooooooooooood]

Shaking hands and thanking people is something you do after a match is over. Suppose you are fighting someone in a boxing match. The gong rings for the end of the first round and you are in your corner receiving instructions from your seconds, The referee suddenly declares your opponent the winner before the gong rings to start the second round. While you are asking the referee to explain what happened, if your opponent asks you to shake his hand, would you do it? I would feel that the game is not over yet, and I would not answer with a handshake. Spaniards might shake hands in this situation, but I don't think Japanese people shake hands unless the game is over. Also, to be a bit formal, in judo, respect for the opponent is a form of courtesy, and a handshake is unnecessary. Of course, some people may shake hands, give hugs or cheek kisses, and I don't blame them at all, However, what must be done is to be polite, and if you neglect to be polite, it is impolite, no matter what you do, whether you give a cheek kiss or not. Don't get me wrong, many Japanese are displeased with Garrigós because he showed no signs of caring about his opponent's physical condition after so many tightening moves, he was insensitive enough to ask for a handshake in that situation, and he never apologized for missing the “MATE” and the lack of an apology for missing the ”MATE.” I don't think I'm that angry about missing the “MATE” itself. (We all do insensitive things and we all make mistakes.)

[@diegojosevaro1990]

Hay que saber perder y ser menos llorón.

[@blackangel1690]

Today Japanese judoka lost to French judoka by red card from the judge ! 😅😅😅