Parlor Rollers - not all pigeons fly

Al Graham traveled from Liberty Center, Ohio to Michigan for the 80th Bay City Pigeon Fanciers Show. He asked if we wanted to see his Parlor Rollers. How could we say no?

[@Gothiclovesick]

As a pigeon owner, I’m horrified how he holds his pigeon like an object with no respect for it as a living creature. I could never hold my boy like this.

[@nadie2919]

This are not normal pigeons

[@beautypigeons]

Hello pigeon lover

[@marcosvilarino4390]

They are made for these things showed on the video

[@ryansta]

They have no respect at all for them. This trait has been deliberately 'Breed In' over numerous years, initially to provide easy kill training for Falcons and Hawks in the Tumbler Pigeons case. For those who rear the Birds like the O.P here and anyone with any shade of decency, you seriously must question the Ethics of people who boast about competitions where the intent is to watch these birds attempt to Fly with all their Will, yet only be capable of Rolling until exhausted. 2024 and still a reality.

[@kellanedits97]

you gotta calm down lmao i hold my pigeons like that so they dont flap and hurt themselfs in my hand better to have a better grip on them than to have a shitty one that hurts them And for half of the video he was straighten the tail feathers lol

[@Rubatose]

This is just a cruel thing to do to an animal. This is like alice in wonderland with the red queen, golfing using a flamingo as a club and a hedgehog as the ball. He even holds it and stores it like it's an inanimate object.

[@nicolascifuentes1318]

It's that cruel what the pigeon just doesnt want to escape from the guy and is just having fun spinning

[@cesarcoronado8820]

Agree with this, i couldn't say if it was worse or equal to the pug

[@Sadasisio]

La raza lo que ase es girar así es la raza es normal en la naturaleza se mueren son animales dependientes de humanos

[@АлександрКарпов-т3ю]

Любой домашний голубь зависим от человека....Катание голубя по земле это жалкое зрелище,жертва селекции

[@shaikvakis7757]

Flying in air is real beauty of pigeons

[@maryfreebed9886]

Birmingham Rollers do the same thing while flying, God only knows how.

[@Sadasisio]

Estas palomas evolucionaron así como los pingüinos o la raza más longebas de loros

[@niavvaran]

Rollers?? Are you kidding me? The mutation of the genetic bond has failed. I grew up in a place where 8 of 10 people kept pigeons. As they can produce magnificent looking babies because of the adapted mutation, there are times where the RNA of both male and female bond the way which results in handicapped birds, just like a human child which won't show any signs till later the same is for the birds. That's why first few months they look fine but once fully grown they might fly once and that's it. Some can't even walk, like the one he is showing. That is why he lets go of the bird and then once stopped he picked him up. Cause that bird can't even walk. Don't be mistaking these with Burningham Rollers. They are acrobats and fly and hovering over the loft. Totally different than this poor crippled bird.

[@sjsisjsjks]

It's great that you recognize there's an issue here, I'm shocked the pigeon fancy hasn't rallied against this clear abuse of genetics. Flying rollers, though, don't choose to roll either. The action is purely unintentional, also due to a genetic defect and I'm sure very frightening for the bird to experience.

[@niavvaran]

@@sjsisjsjks on the contrary, they do decide when to roll. I have some older males which were handfeed when younger. The only time they roll is when they're above my head and I clap 3 times. They are not high or distance flyers. But I see your point. There are definitely more defective genes in those than the regular ones which can make them to lose control rolling.

[@notoriousqueenpigeon]

@@sjsisjsjks some of the most loved pigeons I see are the fellas that breed the tumbler pigeons. these guys love their birds. as a person with a brain wired differently, I can say that genetic "defects" have their ups and their downs. the ups are unlike anything a neurotypical person would ever experience.

[@krautdragon6406]

@@notoriousqueenpigeon What pros does this bird have from helplessly tumbling on the ground that healthy breeds in loving hands don't have!?

[@babydonnaP]

*Birmingham rollers*

[@spacebug30]

It's sad how the most disabled pigeons are selected to breed even more disabled pigeons. Why can't we just breed pretty healthy birds without neurological disabilities? Same as pugs and other short snouted dogs, we breed disabled animals because it's entertaining to us, what kind of sick world have we become. Imagine if people would encourage disabled people to have kids, just because we can have more disabled people, because some think it's cute.

[@stakekidney7929]

Dam right

[@tjeerdoosinga9932]

People're a problem way to many of them.

[@zain6008]

I don't think these are intentionally bred this way.

[@just_a_guy9688]

@@zain6008 they are bred that way. They're called parlor rollers. There's a wikipedia page about this pigeons

[@griz063]

Hey, you got "bred", didn't you? Tossing you out of the genetic pool just because of higher than average Trait Neuroticism would deny the world of possible insights you might have. Let's remember that Humans have been "selective breeding" . . . for about 7 million years! Ever since we diverged from Apes. Let's watch the blatant self-hatred, eh? You have value, even if you are rather at the mercy of your negative emotions.

[@deanguando1335]

I love pigeons. Could never take a liking to fantails, rollers, or tumblers. Too abnormal.

[@sabihunt3382]

I'd rather adopt such a bird nd keep it in my house forever nd take care of it. It needs our kindness and care.

[@5skdm]

Pouters as well for me, they look all look uncomfortably unhealthy and weird

[@twinbruisesonmyshins]

i dont really care how abnormal the breed is, moreso how unethical it is to breed an animal thats forced to live like this

[@RedFlagRevival]

Beyblades are getting pretty realistic lookin' nowadays

[@arsenalmanic]

That's sad. :( Leave the poor pigeon alone

[@jameshoff3001]

^this... the things having a seizure

[@sabihunt3382]

No no, don't leave it alone, adopt it and keep it like ur own child in ur house. God will reward you immensely for your kindness.

[@Scotyfall]

If you do that, that would be a problem for the pigeon they keep doing until they die the pigeon was trying to fly but they can't so the pigeon will keep doing that until DIE

[@Bahrena]

Why this people breed pigeon like that ? So cruel

[@Omnischism]

Boomers with boomer hobbies. They're evil and selfish.

[@ocel6037]

i do thinks is some genetic in nature its not like we attempt to do that at first.

[@QuranwithRain]

How are they laughing at this?! People are so messed up

[@Scotyfall]

You know some people have different personality then you

[@madelynt1615]

@@Scotyfall Someone's personality has nothing to do with them being okay with animal cruelty..

[@anthonydrapeau1350]

​@@Scotyfallyou will not see heaven

[@Rkenichi]

This is just sick. Breeding birds so that they cannot perform their natural function? So that they tumble around on the ground in pain and frightened? Only a human would seek to create such a creature.

[@Scotyfall]

Just watch an explanation and you will know why don't just comment about it without a real reason

[@JayElJay]

​@@Scotyfallenlighten us why don't you?

[@Aethuviel]

How can anyone LAUGH at that?

[@chonkcat6428]

that title alone is scary

[@shanefreeman1334]

Outstanding

[@jlzer0YT]

this is just sick

[@Unknownlng]

I'm surprised this isn't a bird wing clippers first choice as a pet. These things can't fly for shit, look like insects with half the wings ripped off.

[@elyhrluap7437]

You must have a hedgehog that flies?

[@yungsupra]

I AM SIMON WHISTLER

[@tzokke]

Even after watching this, I am even more confused...

[@givemeasi]

yungsupra he sent me here to seek this information

[@TriaMaxwell]

You too huh? That's how I found it

[@shaizadkhan6278]

O

[@shaizadkhan6278]

O

[@naimestudios5887]

Yo al terminar de ver el vídeo: No MMS pinche biología desde cero, ya se hizo bien payaso. Yo después de investigar: ª

[@kennethbillups3794]

I hope people are not breeding those birds to bring out that insane trait.

[@christopherahrens7110]

I have bad news for you...

[@aloirspayne3699]

Why?

[@MrTylerrupiper]

Hello, I am writing a college speech on pigeons, and I was wondering if I could use a clip of the pigeon rolling on the ground in my presentation!?

[@coolevan631]

how did it go?

[@damerabbit]

Plz tell me u graduated lol

[@AR-ml1yi]

"Its going to come right at you step back a few more" Camera person: Proceeds to step back two steps. Release sonic the hedgehog! Comes plowing through!

[@jakeortega4114]

The pigeon is rolling

[@wolfkremen]

They could have named the show Bay City Rollers, just like the band.

[@Tale-Spinner]

When breeding parlor roller do you have to put their nest boxes on the ground?

[@edwinpliett488]

Are you still into Parlor Rollers?

[@bmorebobby1849]

We call those floor rollers in Baltimore

[@saboorhafiz9058]

What are the rate of parlor rollar pigeons ; please immidiatly send your answer

[@crhea97]

I've seen some at my great aunt house

[@patriciaroysdon9540]

The poor thing!

[@communitylofts]

Patricia Roysdon They do this

[@arachnivuetarantulasunlimi7415]

@@travdelong theres a reason some animals are domesticated and some are not

[@sjsisjsjks]

@Pete Neal that's like saying there's nothing wrong with flat-faced, suffocating Pugs because they're born like that. They were selected for the trait by people.

[@madisonblack7201]

@@travdelong This is literally my grandpa in the video lol. The birds will often roll for fun by themselves. It does not hurt them whatsoever

[@vhox_wil]

wow nice❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@adilshaik6054]

Don't do it my friends it's a incident Bird

[@GilgameshEthics]

What an incident with this bird... I believe you mean Innocent. But yes. Poor birdy.

[@mikejohe1920]

Well he could eat them pigeon meat eats good

[@NightOwlWise]

I had such pigeons long time ago.. It is not funny of nice to see this. We all must not breed such pigeons any more. Fancy pigeons or race pigeons are much better

[@cardboardbox2596]

ikr, pugs shouldnt be bred anymore too. its so sad

[@areamusicale]

this is sad :'(

[@rcbif101]

Why? How do you know they don't love it?

[@laurencabrera1966]

@@rcbif101 birds weren't made to roll. More than half of the birds that do that die easily. Why? Their organs are moving to fast, they can get a heart attack easily rolling the wrong way can kill them

[@flyingcomputer624]

Rcbif yeah i really love having seizures i can agree with you on that one!

[@jameshoff3001]

Hes having a seizure. I don’t think any loving thing believes having FORCED SEIZURES is fun

[@distractedjackie5138]

@@flyingcomputer624 "Previous studies have confirmed that [rolling] is not a form of epilepsy" see Entrikin & Bryant, Nature., 1974 . Do your research!

[@faisalraajpigeonclub]

Awesome roller pigeon

[@edwardrodriguez3733]

What the f are they doing to these pigeons

[@BalilingStrikes]

Thank you for sharing...

[@hauntednights4433]

Better Grandfather Can Buy A Ball to Play

[@SpinWave]

that doesn't mean you can make them roll. too bad that people compete doing this

[@beautypigeons]

Good work

[@vloggeritsme8318]

Wow

[@conniepratt2039]

My Grampa had them. They are AWESOME! His would fly HIGH and tumble down. 🤗

[@cardboardbox2596]

i didnt know they could fly, in mid air do they start rolling?

[@flyingcomputer624]

ahaha having seizures IS SO AWESOME right??😁😁😁

[@elmoloco6131]

the bad thing here, is that this genetic result is bad for they're survaivance, but in the other side, if they managed to get like 1 000 000 years from now we will have a canonbolt

[@chrisgibson7591]

It can't be very pleasant for the pigeon

[@Dhuxul9]

This is so sad 😭 why humans do this to animals

[@Scotyfall]

Just a reminder it's not sick or disabled it's just like that

[@Dhuxul9]

@@Scotyfall I think this pigeon is roller pigeon selectively bred to be like this and it is sad

[@Scotyfall]

@@Dhuxul9 yes it’s true it was bred like that at least they don’t feel dizzy or feel pain while rolling

[@Dhuxul9]

@@Scotyfall well roller pigeons sometimes fall to their deaths when flying so it doesn’t change that fact that this is cruelty for entertainment!

[@Scotyfall]

@@Dhuxul9where do get that people using it for entertainment I don’t see one

[@David-l3i2f]

Disgusting. I would never let a pigeon of mine breed that did that.

[@sababaakter8160]

beautiful

[@Paul-c1t]

Hey big boss, I wanted to ask if by any chance you were selling any rollers? Id be interested in purchasing a few if your selling.

[@mandydorpinghaus252]

Don’t confuse these birds with rollers folks

[@Eziyet96]

Valla şu güvercinlere yapay seçilim yapa yapa sakat bıraktılar alayını.

[@timothyg1986]

It's a movement disorder and these pigeons are not ok.

[@Launiemitchell5175]

Why do they do that? Is it 100% natural?

[@cardboardbox2596]

yes, some pigeons roll like that

[@FakePlasticDrummer6]

Its just how they roll man

[@just_a_guy9688]

No, they're bred to do that. It's cruel

[@ashwinghm]

No, pigeons *never* would've been able to do such a thing without human intervention. We've domesticated and bred some of them to "roll" as shown in the video. It's rather stressful for the poor birds, and can cause them to become disoriented.

[@jacobmunoz4880]

It’s an ancient breed used for falconry. The tail feather tendon has a complicated trait that causes this. They were also bred to taste better for hawks and falcons. The breed has now gone extinct thanks to PETA.

[@annajman1697]

The poor Pigeon is Sick 😏

[@mikerobinson4957]

You are a sick bastard for doing this to birds.

[@SaadElyahyaoui]

😮😮

[@Vanascell]

lol

[@manusaini5760]

Janver naal ni Majaak Kri da. Apni margi naal ni takleef de kro. Uhna di margi v dekh le kro..

[@SpritzKat]

that woman in the back shouldn't be laughing, that poor bird held with barely any space in a case probably with all the other pigeons in DRAWERS, rolling away because it can't WALK, the stress the poor bird must have felt when the man picked it back up is horrifying. this is probably the cruelest species of bird that exists, and these people are making them suffer even more.

[@yokobanana5856]

This is torture.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

What? This is so sad. This is like dwarf tossing but a million times worst.

[@griz063]

@Deigo Quizotwry There are similarities, but also differences. For whatever reason Evolution created this oddity and humans just found a reason for these birds to not go extinct. Little People did not go extinct because THEY decided they didn't want to do this any more. But in a world where we selectively breed dogs but particularly cats to be companions and evolutionary adaptation as seen in these pigeons was slated to go extinct. So are we going to so blind ourselves with emotional concerns that we would be calling their still being around as sad? I'm writing this because one Ontario woman wanting to signal her virtue has single-handedly decided her mission in life is to stop all "pigeon-rolling" events that give reason for these birds to be protected. And this is a disturbing trend of thinking your emotions get to tell others what to do and even to shape the world. If enough people decide these bird need to be tossed out as a function of emotions it will happen. But personally I would rather see the idea that emotions devoid of intellect needs to re-shape the world, tossed out.

[@flyingcomputer624]

griz063 oh, pigeon rolling activists are telling them what to do with their lives? well, i think you’re forgetting someone...

[@carolinajuskiewicz7916]

Nooo😮😢😊

[@jordanclarke2001]

thats disgusting, to breed a disabled animal for entertainment. That bird must be terrified rolling with no control, how can you purposely breed more animals with neurological problems. I have a pet house pigeon i rescued and she is an intelligent emotional creature that bonds with people around her, pigeons don't deserve this

[@Scotyfall]

It wasn't for entertainment watching a explanation why they breed it like that it isn't disabled it's just like that

[@jordanclarke2001]

​@Scotyfall it's bred to be disabled, that's not how birds are supposed to move. It's a birth defect that was bred into a "breed", like how muchkin cats are just cats with dwarfism that were bred with each other to make more cats with dwarfism

[@emilianomendiaz5996]

hello in California the Record is over 1000 ft

[@SurajKumar-yv8ix]

Goolyaa

[@janajanardhan8253]

Sir I need this pigion what's the cost

[@24framedavinci39]

Jana Janardhan One... trillion... dollars.....

[@tywillis2395]

Phillip Arpin Why one million, when it could cost... One... Million... Dollars...

[@jennapennington6636]

I can't believe people openly admit to being such awful humans. Yikes.

[@বাংলাআমারজম্মভূমি]

hi

[@nidayaseen4388]

R u mad??

[@rajanjoseph6336]

Wow very nice

[@SinaSeelenfeuer]

In which underdeveloped country is this legal?

[@klhaack7145]

America lol

[@joshuaradick5679]

It appears that a lot of the recent traffic on this video is from everyone’s favorite odd fact sharing British KZbinr.

[@AkbarAli-gr8yl]

where we want to buy and it's cost

[@kingrivers4371]

I'm just gonna pigeon my opinion. Put the bird down.

[@stevedewalt3735]

Are used to have a pair of these they were awesome

[@sabihunt3382]

So cruel of you ! If it can't fly then don't set it free , adopt it and keep it in ur house like ur own child forever. GOD will reward you immensely for your kindness.

[@lsaidane7851]

Its still his dont you worry

[@rogiecesario1630]

hahaha that was funny hahaha

[@FantaSparta]

This is just cruel and messed up. You have to be sick in the head to enjoy this.

[@madisonblack7201]

It does not hurt the birds whatsoever

[@justinwood2]

Sonic the Pigeon!

[@joedavino9225]

Ha yes!!

[@jimthao3134]

U have any for sell? Been looking for some good parlor rollers.

[@lifeofpigeons4613]

😅🕊👍👍👍❤

[@0771-s5d]

رمضان مبارك. لا يمكن الربط بصور موجودة على جهازك

[@birdman2947]

I fly Birmingham Rollers, but I would really like a pair of Parlor Rollers to. Do you sell or know of another way I could get some?

[@jimmayfield9301]

I need to buy a pair too

[@flyingcomputer624]

no you don’t need that

[@boobgoogler]

Why would you want a bird specifically bred to have a seizure for your entertainment

[@jameshoff3001]

I’m begging you... let this breed die out. It’s having a forced seizure... it’s in pain

[@کبوتروںکےشوقین]

Awesome bro I want this to buy from you can we done a deal 🙄

[@sabihunt3382]

Adopt it and keep it like ur own child in ur house, ALLAH SWT will reward you immensely for your kindness to this poor innocent bird.

[@farrierette5216]

Those poor things are sitting ducks!

[@meric2]

No, they're rolling pigeons

[@farrierette5216]

@@meric2 Well tell that to a hawk lol!

[@hfhrhskwnfngjrnrnrj]

pigeon bowling😭😭😭😭 the poor baby

[@alineremia10]

Calumea

[@NathanaelGreer]

Not all people make it past heart disease, mostly due to box food and can cheese hehehehehe

[@현무-b7b]

공중제비 잘돈다 이기야

[@royalomrli2758]

Ela salto vurur massallahhh

[@Scotyfall]

"Oh that's why they can't fly because it's ohio"

[@Z1PP]

Animal cruelty. Entertainment for psychopaths

[@Scotyfall]

It wasn't an entertainment

[@robinfoster1608]

omg poor baby

[@shaizadkhan6278]

J

[@jacguerrag]

Why 😢?

[@TriaMaxwell]

So.... How many people ended up here after watching Today I found Out?

[@Prasanna-o1z]

Plz teach us how to train

[@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385]

You don't train them, they are bred to do this.

[@syedpigeongreece]

Super 😘🤗🤝 like,22

[@sigitcahyono5276]

1BURUNG DARANYA BERAPA

[@Gisel3584]

ANIMAL CRUELTY ​ THEY ARE. 'CREATED' THAT'S NOT FUNNY, STOP PURCHASING THIS... STOP THIS BEHAVIOR AND PRACTICE AGAINST ANIMALS, THAT'S SO F. CRUEL