I didnt know they came out! Excited to see the full review. This is the one I've been waiting to see. I'm upgrading my theater now and will be moving on a receiver in a few months hopefully. Will be between this and the 6700
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I’ll be interested in hearing which you end up choosing and why. The price difference certainly makes the older model more compelling.
@mauriciob826011 ай бұрын
love your channel more and more, you really take your time to explain every detail of this products
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
So glad I am providing you with content that serves you well. I am excited about this one.-Jon
@spizzy799611 ай бұрын
Agreed. Especially the comparison against previous gen and current gen and across the range. Just subscribed.
@DavidCNavas11 ай бұрын
Nice snag! Will be interested in this one for sure!
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I really like being in the first wave of in house reviews. Particularly this one which has a lot of people interested in it.-Jon
@JohnnyWHU11 ай бұрын
I have the X6700H and just added power amps to it. It gave it new life. You can completely shut off the internal amps making the X6700H a pre-pro system. I run M&K 4 Ohms speakers which sounded lackluster using the internal amps. Not anymore. I had an Onkyo THX receiver before and was a bit disheartened at the dynamics of the Denon. The 8 Ohms setting on the Denon got very hot, so set it to 4 Ohms. It was disappointing to say the least. No punch at high volumes. The speakers I have need some power to sound their best. Power amps did the trick. Ultra dynamics are now the order of the day. Love it. I recommend the Denon 100% but only running 8 Ohms speakers. If you have 4 Ohms speakers, get a separate system. Or X4800H with a power amp. Even better. All you need is Atmos, DTS-X and Auro3D. I believe the X4800H does them all. Two channels less than the X6800H of processing. but 7.1.4 is plenty.
@michaelvanboekholt575511 ай бұрын
Hello, i just bought 6700 (tomorrow is shipping). I have 8 Ohm speakers, do i still need power amps? To be honest, i do not know what you mean with power amps. Van you help me with that? Which models you bought? Thanks in advance for the information.
@JohnnyWHU11 ай бұрын
@@michaelvanboekholt5755 Power amps take the job off the receiver to run the speakers. They are connected externally via the pre-amp outputs at the rear of the receiver. The Denon's internal amplification can be shut off completely. Leaving cleaner power for it to run all he processing duties. 8 Ohm speakers will be fine, Michael. It'll lose a little power per-channel. Denon has a 70% rule. So if you're running 5.1 set up, you'll looking at 98 watts per channel. Still plenty of power. But the more you add, the slightly less on the watts per channel. The receiver will always run 2 channels at 8 Ohms at 140wpc. 8 Ohms speakers are very easy to drive. 4 Ohms are a challenge. I run a 7-channel power amp and 2 channel power amp for a 5.1.4 set up. Mine are a British company called Iota. They are budget amps, but sound really good. All reviews are really highly awarded. I got them on sale, so bought together i paid £1700. I have 170wpc at 4 Ohms on all 7 channels. The surrounds running at 4 Ohms at 110wpc. Plenty of power. The sound difference when I added the external amps, was a massive upgrade. But I believe that's down to the Denon when using the 4 Ohm setting. You couldn't even use the Eco mode because it dropped the power too low. When I tried the 4 Ohm speakers with the Denon set to 8 Ohms, it sounded better, but the Denon got really hot. I wasn't going to do damage to the Denon. Its sound quality is Excellent. You'll enjoy it Michael. With 8 Ohm speakers, a power amplifier is something you don't have to rush and get.
@michaelvanboekholt575511 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyWHU Thank you very much for the detailed information and advice regarding the amplifier and audio system setup. It's incredibly helpful, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience. Do you have any additional tips, advice, or information about this amplifier that might be useful to me? Any further insights into optimizing sound or configuring the system would be greatly welcomed. By the way, I heard something about bi-amping today. Did it have any experiance with such a system, or would you recommend it? My speakers are Tannoy D700. Again, thanks in advance.
@JohnnyWHU11 ай бұрын
@@michaelvanboekholt5755 Hi there, glad to be a help. If your speakers have another two binding post to run the bi-amping, go for it. You have cleaner bass and highs. I'd only use that on the front L&R speakers. You can then set them large for 2 channel music. Should sound amazing. Let me know how it goes? 👍 BTW. There is very helpful step by step set up screen to help you configure your system easily. Have fun!
@michaelvanboekholt575511 ай бұрын
Thanx again, I will definitely let you know how everything sounds
@jb.298611 ай бұрын
Interesting the new algorithm included now on these pieces for Sony reality Spatial Audio. Four players in this arena now. Thanks Jon
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Sort of. 360 Reality Audio content is still thin and I found it hard to stream it properly for decoding by the receiver. I will see if the Denon and Marantz receiver make it easier. -Jon
@Tanquen11 ай бұрын
Do you think they will ever let folks know what DACs are in the A1H, X6800H and X4800H?
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I don’t think they will publish DACs going forward. They don’t want to risk having to change.
@Tanquen11 ай бұрын
@@ripewave Seems a little silly at these price points. Someone will find them at some point. I don't think DACs matter that much but they should let people know when it's something they often gush over.
@percybedford626611 ай бұрын
I am interested in the pre out performance on it. I want to know how it stacks up as an AV processor as compared to the AVM 70? Thanks again.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Yes - I will be doing that. - Jon
@DavidCNavas11 ай бұрын
Same here -- definitely thinking of using this as a Dirac-enabled receiver that happens to have amps in it I can use while waiting to buy the rest of it. Definitely interested to hear if the 6800 is a better sounding option than the 4800. For another $1k it better be!
@FURognar11 ай бұрын
@@DavidCNavas if you put it in Pre-amp mode, which shuts off the amps, it measures very similar to a dedicated pre-amp. At least the 6700 did. I expect this one to measure similarly.
@percybedford626611 ай бұрын
@@ripewave thank you. I am looking to upgrade from the XMC 1 and I want to see what is out there so I can make an informed buying decision.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I like the plan for gradual transition to separate amplifiers.
@xRESWarriorx11 ай бұрын
Great detailed video as always. I read somewhere that it does have an AKM dac but I’m not certain.. I’m really hoping it does. ESS would be nice too.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I am starting to believe that the DAC brand selection has less to do the the ultimate sound quality in these processors/receivers. As long as they are the better chips the brand offers you should be fine (AKM or ESS). It is the pairing with the rest of the components that makes the difference. -Jon
@missing110211 ай бұрын
@ripewave the ti dacs in the 3800 sound lousy for music to me. Nobody wants to listen but the 3800 has been marked down to 850 dollars.
@oniiz868511 ай бұрын
Thanks for the overview of the X6800H, the X6700H was actually $2,499 upon release back in 2020 with a couple of price increases along the way so it has seen a $1000 increase which is not insignificant but you do have the 4 Independent Subwoofer Outputs along with Dirac for additional fees ;) The X8500HA, X6700H, X4700H actually have 8 HDMI inputs (Front HDMI Input), sadly omitted on the latest D+M AVR/AVPs :(
@missing110211 ай бұрын
They also have ti dacs most of them
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Thanks for supplying that extra information. I learned a few things. Particularly the extra HDMI in the front adding 1 to the total HDMI inputs. -Jon
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
The new models have ti DACS - okay the helps a lot. Hard to find that detail. -Jon
@vivianokeswa48810 ай бұрын
I had the x2700h and I wasn’t happy with the sound stage. Poor connectivity on heos., but I feel that the x6800h will give me better sound stage, I’m on the market looking so I’m convinced this can deliver to my expectations.
@lysol91111 ай бұрын
Do the zone outputs (via rca) work separately from the 13.4 channels? If you don’t want to assign the power amps to a zone, can you still use either/both zones rca outputs in addition to the 13.4 channels or do you have to substitute some of the height channels regardless of the amp assignments?
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I need to test - I haven't played with zone outputs. -Jon
@RobDarman10 ай бұрын
I just picked up one of these....... In your video you showed the remote as being the same as the one on the A1H and having a backlight.........Did the remote yours came with actually have a backlight?...... if so what model number was it? Mine came with an RC-1256 with no side button and if there is a backlight I can't see how to turn it on........
@BugleBoogie11 ай бұрын
Jon, what is the microphone stand you are using? Any accessories required to use the UMIK-1 and the Odyssey Mic? Thanks again for all your efforts. Looking forward to the rest or your evaluation.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
The UMIK-1 ($79 direct from miniDSP), comes a tabletop tripod, microphone clip and USB cable. I kept the box to store between measurement sessions. Instead of the tabletop tripod, I use a boom microphone stand. These are common and the brand/model isn't so important - Amazon starts around $20. I have had mine for over 20 years, so I could recall much about it. The label on it has the Quik Lok brand. The Quik Lok website has something similar today as model A-302 (SKU A-302BK-U). B&H Photo-Video has that model for $49.99. I have a couple of the cheaper $20 stands as well, and I do prefer the Quik Lok over the cheap ones. For calibration, the cheap ones are just fine. Jon
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I believe it is the Quik Lok A-302 I mentioned in the last reply. -Jon
@BugleBoogie11 ай бұрын
@@ripewave Sorry Jon. I had a brain fart.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I’ve experienced that before
@ENGBriseB11 ай бұрын
Interesting have a Denon now.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I am trying to bring in all the brands that serve the under $5000 market. -Jon
@ec-uploads6 ай бұрын
Do these switch fast between HDMI sources? Meaning video and audio comes up quick? Running direct no eARC...
@ripewave5 ай бұрын
That would be a good test. Casually I felt these switched okay but there was some delay. -Jon
@eprohoda11 ай бұрын
Ripewave~you made nice !=)
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I’m trying. Looking forward to setting it up this weekend -Jon
@Hyxtryx6 ай бұрын
Bummer that there's no multichannel analog inputs. Why are those disappearing on A/V receivers? I see there's a lot of analog inputs. I don't suppose there's a way to route each one to a different speaker, to make your own multichannel analog inputs...? Know what I mean? I was considering the X8500HA, which does have multichannel analog inputs, but they switched DACs in that one now, and it no longer has the "good" DACs. Yes, I want superb DACs *AND* multichannel analog input. I want it all.
@ripewave5 ай бұрын
I have not seen a model which lets you combine stereo analog input to achieve a multichannel input. Neat idea. I believe reason to drop multichannel inputs is the widespread adoption of HDMI and the limited space on the back of these units to support more inputs (sometimes). HDMI provides a simpler method to carry multichannel information between components- digitally with no signal loss. Those who like multichannel analog input prefer the DACS in upstream devices over those in their receiver or processor. I believe the conflict could be settled by including the superior DACS in the receiver or processor. However, to remove and degrade the DAC is worst case. -Jon
@vivianokeswa48810 ай бұрын
Another issue I have, the x6800h is 140 wpc, is that the true reflection? Like is that really deliver to each channel? I have 2 Monoblocks from Marantz that delivers 125 watts each. I feel they might improve the sound stage for my fronts compared to the internal amps from the Denon although Denon says 140 wpc, am I correct?😮
@himuhimel02Ай бұрын
Why can't find KENWOOD as like this system amplifire?
@ripewave10 сағат бұрын
Kenwood phased out their home audio line around 2007. They still make car audio systems. -Jon
@whoawhat0911 ай бұрын
Finally!
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Denon and Marantz have certainly dragged out the releases within this latest generation - Started October of 2022 and we still have not seen the full lineup. -Jon
@Edward135i11 ай бұрын
I've got a 4700 and I think it sounds great, but I have nothing to compare it to other than a crappy sound bar on my living room TV 😂
@stefanklein186311 ай бұрын
Any idea, when the Marantz Cinema 30 will be announced?
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
That is a good question. I haven’t seen any chatter on that one. Assuming it will track the Denon X6800H feature set closely. My guess is either May or September this year. -Jon
@Hasjwandje11 ай бұрын
the fact that they don't tell us what DAC chip is in it. Is not a good sign :') probably the same crappy Ti dac found in lower models. The only thing i thought was kinda cool is that they added a layer of copper to the alu heatsink to improve cooling capabilities.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
That seems to be trend. More brands are starting to withhold DAC details. It is either nothing to brag about or they want the flexibility to change if they have supply issues. -Jon
@wesleymaloney826111 ай бұрын
Why the people in Europe and Australia have a choice between black or silver color AVRs and we here in North America get only the Black.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
It is odd. Marantz has since introduced a silver option in North America for the Cinema models, but not Denon. -Jon
@LEMON4811 ай бұрын
Differance price between this and 8500AH become so small , so only 8500 AH is worth upgrade
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
About $1000 more for the 8500AH. Given that you get 2 more channels of amplification and more power for all, that does closed the gap a bit. You just need to be okay with not having Dirac options, 4 independent subs and HDMI 2.1 for all inputs. -Jon
@danemoreno8811 ай бұрын
What’s better this or cinema 40 ? Edit I watched it the 6800 seems better to me
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
On paper the X6800 is better - no channels, more power, Dts:x pro / front wide support, better specifications. We will learn from our listening tests if that is true. -Jon
@michaelratner889011 ай бұрын
Does it have the AKM or the TI DAC?
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I don’t know. Hoping this community with how that detail.
@IvanF-m8w11 ай бұрын
@@ripewave Just take off the top cover and look inside...
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I will need to be extra careful. If there are signs of tamper I may not be able to return for full credit.
@ranakirti11 ай бұрын
pls dont let it beat the a8a/a6a, as im gonna buy the yamaha soon .
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I’m just the referee making sure the contest is fair. Ultimately it is the features, sound quality, price and style that fits you the best. -Jon
@truwarrior2211 ай бұрын
Wow, did you preorder it? Lol
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
I did. But only two weeks ago - so it wasn’t a long wait. Purchased direct from Denon -Jon
@dastiffmeisterman11 ай бұрын
You'd be crazy to pay that for this receiver, far better to get a second hand Arcam or equivalent processor and decent power amp.
@Totalplonker11 ай бұрын
After auditioning several AVR's, one of them being the Denon 6500, I was unable to get the best out of any of my high-end stereo speakers. Fortunately, I came across the HDA units of Arcam. Sound quality wise, a different League!
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Thanks for that perspective. I am anxious to discover for myself the differences.
@Tanquen11 ай бұрын
I'm really disappointed that they do not have the QMS HDMI 2.1 option. It's on their website. I don't know why they bother listing it there if none of their new models have it? And any idea why it was removed ? From Denons site: More watching, less waiting. Say goodbye to blank screens using Quick Media Switching (QMS) Are you tired of the blank screen that occurs when you select a movie? Depending on the equipment you have, this may take up to 15 seconds to re-synchronise the source with the TV just because the frame rate of the content changed. QMS - if implemented in source and sink will smoothly switch between content with different frame rates. Goodbye - blank screen. Beside the enhancements that improve picture and sound quality as well as usability, HDMI 2.1 also includes long awaited features for console gamers.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Very odd. Their website shows QMS is the model specifications as QMS = No. While they talk of the merits of this feature, they are not claiming on the new models, but still list for the old models. Is it simply an error and they really do support? I may need to call Denon support for clarification. -Jon
@Totalplonker11 ай бұрын
@Tanquen please correct me if I'm wrong... unless one happens to be a gamer. Presently, there's no benefit of HDMI 2.1, certainly no sound enhancements. Still unable (or haven't released) streaming Lossless audio together with a visual display!. Maybe in the near future. There's a reason why quality sounding AVR's tend to have limited channels with features and functionalities. As far as interference is concerned, it's all the same! The more unnecessies they cram within an AVR chassis, the more the quality of sound is likely to diminish. Hence, arcam states... "we put sound quality first"
@amosmoledi11 ай бұрын
Kinda losing interest in denon. I own a Denon AVC 6500H. The receiver has started switching to the phono input randomly while watching movies.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Functional issues can certainly turn someone off of a brand. -Jon
@amosmoledi11 ай бұрын
Can’t????
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Sorry - That was a typo. I meant to agree. - Jon
@marklloyd415311 ай бұрын
I still love my $1199 Onkyo RZ50 better than anything.
@ripewave11 ай бұрын
Then you purchased the right model. I feel the TX-RZ50 is the best value and sounds great too. -Jon
@craigleverenz4 ай бұрын
This review spends so much time comparing the amp to previous generations or Denons other models. This is really pointless. If someone is watching this review, they're not going to buy an older model or another model in Denons line up, they want to compare it to other brands like the Onkyo RZ70, the Yamaha A8A or the Marantz.
@ripewave4 ай бұрын
I find it fair to say that having comparisons to competing brands is very useful when selecting a new AV Receiver. We do that is other videos but not in this one. I will make sure we balance more these introductory videos as well. However, I would not discount the value of prior generations for the entire audience here. We have a large audience that has the prior generation and looks to upgrade or has considered the prior generation but passed on those due to missing attributes. That audience is running in to know what has changed and whether or not that change is significant effort for them to consider an upgrade or to finally select. -Jon