[PART 1] PROJECT1934 : How Macedonian Slavs Became a Nation

After months in development, it's finally here! The first part of my internet series PROJECT1934, a series where i give my analysis on how the Macedonian nation was formed, is now available to watch. Sorry this one took a while to make, it is a bigger video and writing scripts, getting material and putting the video together took a lot of time, but it was worth it! Keep in mind this is just part 1 of the series, and things will be much more clear as we go on on this journey. Thank you in advance for understanding and i hope you enjoy this video! Cheers!

[@assassin9314]

Great video, what horrifies me though is that I have never seen anyone take such great effort into presenting the history of Macedonia.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

I'm glad you enjoyed it, thank you! We're just getting started, my friend ;)

[@Wetzwagen]

​@PublicNemesisMedia I love your channel bro keep making these videos please

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

@@Wetzwagen thanks for the support man 🙏🙏🙏

[@Wetzwagen]

​@PublicNemesisMedia I really like your work but it doesn't get the attention it deserves have you ever thought about making a tiktok account promoting your channel or something?

[@kostadinpanov4596]

​@@PublicNemesisMedia This video can get reported for racism towards the Macedonians

[@W1ndF4lc0n]

Tremendous work. Your channel is shaping into being the most historical sources-based channel on the topic in English, which I can't stress enough how important and meaningful that is. You are doing God's work brother.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you so much for the kind words my friend 🙏 i really appreciate your words! History is important and the truth must be revealed to the world!

[@ReallyAboutIt]

After years of searching for authentic, unbiased sources to present and educate me about the true history of the macedonian/bulgarian people and our divide, I may have found the one. Thank you my friend, from a macedonian

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you for the kind words, friend 🙏 i'm very honored you view my video that way

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

If "Makedono /Bulgarian people" were the one , according to new events that happened in 2018 , we Macedonian will not have win the sign "North" in front of our name Republic Makedonia ! Only the Slav Enlightening is connecting us ! Once slav conected as Yugoslav unit now Slav conected independant Macedonian with all other Slav Enlightened nations . Because Yugoslavian Federation colapsed like Bulgaria di San Stefano! Remember not one nation Slav but different nations are on the stage ! Noone can apropriate Slavianisation. So , Slav unity or any other unity can be sized but nations are inviolable !

[@rossfun9840]

@@voskreglavincevska7080 In your case there is not any fiction "slav enlightment" only slav enblindment

[@pliska6819]

The amount of energy and research you made is utterly astonishing. Would love to see a collaboration with Kiril from Samuel's Fortress or Viktor Kanzurov if you know them. You are the most educated and smart Macedonian Bulgarians or Bulgarian Macedonians (whichever you feel for me it's the same as we are one) and really enjoy your content. There is a huge difference between the true Macedonians like you that acknowledge Bulgaria vs. the so called Serbomans who were taught about nothing but hating Bulgaria. Сърдечен поздрав, братко! May you be blessed. BRILLIANT PRESENTATION!

[@a.n.6374]

Very well researched. I must admit there were facts I've not known until now. It fits my view that things didn't just happen in a few minutes in 1945, but rather it was a slow, almost invisible process of separation that took decades.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Glad you liked my video, thank you 🙏

[@a.n.6374]

Of course I do. Most of all I enjoy your content, because your take is a rather unique one. It is somewhat neutral and you present events that rarely if ever pass the pro-bg narrative filter we have here, such as the discrimination of Macedonian Bulgarians described in this video. This is not even mentioned by Macedonians themselves, as it will break their own narrative. It's a thing I would've never thought existed, but once I hear it, I am 100% sure did happen. Exactly as it does happen nowadays against other Non-Sofians.

[@hristohristoforov5797]

You've explained it so well! I am really happy I saw that video and I really hope they'd start using it some day in our classrooms (yes, here in Bulgaria too!) because our own official perception of this piece of history is also tangled in ways and our fathers know more than the texbooks say. An excellent investigation! Thank you for your dedicated work!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Ha ha i'm quite flattered you found this video so good it could be played in schools. Thank you for the kind words, i'll do my best to make the upcoming parts of this series this much interesting to watch!

[@johnplays9654]

The video is great! It's too hard for me to watch the entire video as it brings tears to my eyes. How a nation so united becomes divided due to foreign politics.

[@vanjodinev]

Congrats for this wonderful video, Phil. Well thought through, carefully presented with attention to details. Excellent job. Thank you!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you very much, professor, i'm happy this effort paid out

[@petkotangalov2653]

Great video! Very objective and in-depth take.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it 🙏

[@SirFancyPotato]

Wow.. This is amazing

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you 🙏

[@AYLIN.ZYURABOV]

Поздравления за положеният труд. Истината и само истината ще ни направи свободни!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Благодаря и многу поздрави 🙏

[@ivayola]

I liked the video very much. You present the division between North Macedonia and Bulgaria from a different perspective then we in Bulgaria were told in school. The only objection from my side is the input on San Stefano treaty. What I mean is you tell the European powers didn't want big Slavic state on the Balkans. The truth is that Russia was on the same side with the European powers, the had secret agreement with the European powers, San Stefano was just a preliminary agreement that never came to existence. The truth is that the great powers including Russia encouraged the fights between Slavic Bulgaria and Slavic Serbia/Yugoslavia. Until this day we are not the best partners with the Serbs even though we are so close. Divide and conquer, that is the policy in the Balkans and the Middle East.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you for the kind words! You're right, the Russian Empire and the Western powers have collaborated behind our backs. For example, it was Russia who gave permission to Austria-Hungary to take control over Bosnia, and when the Western powers redraw the borders of Bulgaria in Berlin, Russia didn't complain at all (something mentioned in this video). Glad you enjoyed this video!

[@ivayola]

@@PublicNemesisMedia Russia is superior when it comes to propaganda and manipulation (at least in the Bulgarian case). We celebrate the 3th of march the day the San Stefano preliminary contract was signed even though nobody ever had the intention to stick to it - what a paradox. We were always told at school that the Russian empire wanted the best for Bulgaria/other slavic nations, but the other great powers decided otherwise - which is terribly wrong. Hopefully our national holiday will be changed soon to 24 May .

[@jordan9339]

@@PublicNemesisMedia Austro-Hungary and Russian Empire wanted to split Bulgaria between them in late 19-th century, but they left the idea because the French Revolution. Russia didn't gave up the idea of taking the Black See coast and Bosporus to these day.

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

The main problem here is minimising and not starting from name Macedonia and people macedonian as a Roman oficial Province . Why it was created . It was homogeneous continuation of long time used name , MACEDONIAN there ! Omitting Makedono/ Roman oficial Wars and dragging of Tatars trough Macedonia is the most discuseable subject ! In future we must unite Macedonian in Macedonia , not Bulgarian in Macedonia because here we are in the North and South finally after 2018 explained that Macedonia is indivisible ! Your Veto have a date of expire and by 2028 we as Macedonian will enter EU without Bulgarian approval and all Macedonia will be finally united . I think if Helas was wiling to let us be North Republic Macedonia knowin that borders will be opened soon . Bulgaria have no right culturaly to be against uniting officially verified Macedonian nation in the North and with that South Slav Makedonian are only in the papers Greek there . We must open borders and see the reality that Macedonian are separated . All Macedonian are belonging to that same nation Macedonian long time since Filipov of Makedon unification . If we are Macedonian oficial nation in the North how can Bulgaria convert South Sav Macedonian into Bulgarians if they are for milleniums Macedonian . Only the culture was changed from Helenism to Slav European Culture !

[@svilenmintchev7645]

@@voskreglavincevska7080 Or you will not enter EU before you learn how to respect your neighbors, when you learn not to falsify history and steal the nationality of long dead historical figures. We all know that you short 79-year history makes you void of people of historic statue, but that doesn't mean Bulgaria will allow you to spread lies, or even more importantly, EU will let you in before you do your homework thoroughly.

[@toastedpineapple4981]

As a Bulgarian born from the diaspora, I always love to gain deeper insight into the history of my homeland, as well as the complicated political and cultural situation there. This series, though it is still only on its first episode, is shaping up to be a masterpiece of a documentary. Поздрави от САЩ! Запомни ме като абонат от времето на Vardarslav.

[@HeroManNick132]

Ще се връщаш ли в България?

[@toastedpineapple4981]

@@HeroManNick132 Мисля че ще го направя, след като завърша цялото ми образование. Вече съм гражданин, така че няма да е трудно. Искам да живея наполовина в САЩ и наполовина в България. Въпреки това, ясно е че трябва да поработя върху българския ми!

[@vilimihova8773]

Много добре пишеш, за човек израснал извън България

[@toastedpineapple4981]

@@vilimihova8773 благодаря! Знам всичко което знам на Българския от разговорната форма на езика, и поради това, писането е много трудно понякога.

[@user-yu3er9ve1g]

The explanation here is what bulgarian diplomats representatives in the EU parlament were supposed to explain to all EU and US politicians about the dispute with North Macedonia. Great job, really great job!

[@SuperMan-yg5dz]

A Greek here, brilliant clip. Just some comments while Im watching: 1.Greeks liberated themselves first from the Turks, although Serbians attempted and failed before the Greeks. 2. In my knowledge there wasn't really an organised or large scale attempt to convince the local Slavophone population that they were "Greeks that had lost their roots and language" except that record of the conversation between Karavangelis and Kotev. Thank you, great information again.

[@PrlicevotoPismo764]

If you are interested, the recently published book ‘The Macedonian Question and the Macedonians A History’ by the Greek author Alexis Heraclides is quite good on this point. It provides a concise overview of the scope of Greek propaganda in Macedonia against its Bulgarian inhabitants.

[@SuperMan-yg5dz]

I will keep an eye out for it, only thing is the moment I read "Greek propaganda" immediately its outside my interest. Its probably bias same as a book that talks about "Bulgarian propaganda"...I consider good reading books that state historical facts and not views.

[@lagjescuni5482]

Greeks liberated themselves?? then why the majority of your national heroes heads of state and warriors were Albanians?? ( from both sides) and the rest were aromanians.....maybe you don't know but most of todays greece was not even ruled by turks but by Albanians and the so called war of independence was practically a war between Arvanites vs the Albanians of egypt and Suliotes vs Ali pasha of Ioannina all were Albanians they were not Greeks and Turks.....

[@lagjescuni5482]

so I see a great similarity with the orthodox Albanians ( Arvanites Suliotes cams) who call themselves Greeks after the 19th century and the Bulgarians of North Macedonia who call themselves Macedonians ...the only difference is that the Bulgarians of North Macedonia did not adopt the Katharevousa language imposed by the European Romantic Philihellenes

[@lagjescuni5482]

@@SuperMan-yg5dz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Albanians_in_Greece

[@user-th3nx6zj2f]

Glad to see your channel growing. Keep up the good work.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you very much 🙏

[@momchilboychev8453]

very objective video , appreciate the effort ! I now have it all in one place.... Good luck and thank you. Да сте жив и здрав!

[@todorkalev1083]

I am impressed, congratulations about the depth of your researches and good luck to the Project 1934! Looking forward to seeing the new episodes to come. At the end the morale is pretty clear for me even now - Bulgaria did a lot of mistakes on the Macedonian question and abandoned its Macedonian sons many many times, but they never abandoned their bulgarianess, not after Ilinden uprising, not after First World War, not after the Second World War, not even today although been beaten, fired and persecuted.

[@matollsen2523]

May God bless you!!!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you, may God bless you, too! 🙏🙏🙏

[@M.Georgiev8527]

Great video brother. Keep doing those wonderful videos. Greeting from Thrace.

[@redhornet8]

Браво! Страхотно видео, продължавай все така

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Многу благодаря 🙏🙏🙏

[@bluefanclub430]

Excellent video

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Thank you 🙏

[@raduleu293]

"Macedonians" are bulgarians... same as "moldavians" are romanians. Cheers!

[@modmaker7617]

At least Moldovans agree with this statement.

[@miroslavfilipov6589]

I would much rather compare this to the Germany-Austria relationship. Most Austrians are German, but all Austrians are Austrian. There are no tensions, relations are smooth and their independence and alliance is unquestionable. Why can't we have that 😢

[@PrlicevotoPismo764]

@@miroslavfilipov6589 I agree. However, as part of the Macedonian diaspora it seems that lots of people hold many misconceptions about history and Bulgaria in general. I hope we become more brotherly nations in the future

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

​​​​​​​​​@@miroslavfilipov6589 It depends on how much inhabitants of Bulgaria are able to live as backward in 21 century . If the percentage is great we must wait . Rome was not built in a day . And if Rome have failed there isn't hope to this humanity of today ! You know how is personal ego straith positioned ! Everybody like to be great and if we are not capable to be great we can do some stealing . Up until the time when the common prosperity come and consciousness about equality . We know how Socialism failed . It was converted ito stealing conductive societies . For that reason Jesus Crist and Cristianity was invented before 2023 years but no resuld is obtained ! To be Crossed was a great punishment , and naive people were frightened that there is a power which can stop that evilness among them . People are still "believers" but stealing haven't been stopped . All this about Macedonian republic is story about stealing . Geografical position optimum have made the most of a problem Macedonia to be still on a biding table . Not to speak how agricultural fenomenon is great . Why they didn't make Empires so frequently on other places round , it is miracle ! Generations by generations have that opinion that it can be chopped to the final end !

[@iznone]

Nope bro, moldovians have long story independence country, learn more! Macedonia was natural bulgarian population in 19 senctury then came the serbs after turks and greeks and albanians and created "macedonian nation" - no such thing as "slav nation", just manipulation. BTW in Greece they call this country - "slavs from Skopje", not Macedonia country which is only geographical thing ... as Trakya example or Donbass or many others examples.

[@konstantinlozev2272]

Great summary! The Balkan history of the time was very turbulent. And it became even more turbulent with the Balkan wars. Some very bad decisions on the Bulgarian side. But what I did not know about those assassinations in Stambolovs time was that they were motivated by Russia.

[@NikolaNevenov86]

Geez, honestly we in Bulgaria usually blame either the Serbs, the Greeks, Russia, USSR and even the western powers for the distancing between the bulgarians in macedonia and the bulgarians in bulgaria. But sadly it looks like it's this same horrible deamon of rusophobia/rusophilia that is the root of all of our problems.

[@HeroManNick132]

Ти да не си русофил, бе?

[@user-ek9go3kf2w]

Yes, you are right Russia is the issue. As long you confirm your strong slavic origine Russia is in stand by waiting for action.

[@Voyvoda1903]

Gotse Delcheff is rolling in his grave after what the Yugoslav communists did to Macedonia.

[@HeroManNick132]

Georgi*

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

Goce Delčev ostavil amanet za kulturen natprevar . I evo samo si go usovršuvaat Angliskiov jazik . Ajvani Blgari !

[@krwnik8419]

​@@voskreglavincevska7080 Кѫде живееш? Австралия? Канада?

[@rossemmanuel6545]

​@@voskreglavincevska7080титоска 🐕

[@dimitarvasilev5787]

Страхотно видео! И втората част пускам след малко.

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Благодаря 🙏

[@tofuthegod]

Hey hey! Great video just started up the series and im shocked by firstly: How much my education lied to me about the Macedonian-Question, and secondly: Just how well made and detailed this video is, considering that by all means you are treading on broken glass with this entire channel. But id love to know what sources did you use for this series? Or if you have any books you would recommend covering this topic. Thank you in advance and I wish you all the best!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

I'm really flattered, thank you for the kind comment! 🙏🙏🙏 I get most of the information from memoirs written by people who lived during that time, like revolutionaries for example. The only problem is that those books were written in Bulgarian, so you'll have to know how that language in order to do research yourself. You can find many of those books on the internet, like macedonia dot kroraina and especially strumski dot com. I hope i helped. Cheers!

[@dblaze4745]

Makedonija cela da e cel svet da ja znae... Makedonija na Makedoncite.

[@Nasko789]

Vistinata boli a?

[@shamatoff]

Good perspective. Many points are not covered in our schools.. or at least not in detail. However, when speaking about Stambolov policies in regards to Macedonia and Thrace we need deeper research. I think the main conflict was due to his methodical approach: (1) Stabilize the school and church systems within the Ottoman empire. (2) Searching for a diplomatic way to proceed with autonomy of that regions. (3) Unification with them OR declaration of war, but only when the state is ready for it. On the other side were the locals, ready for military and terrorist actions. Stambolov's approach was ottoman friendly, as it's the "known evil". The locals approach would make the Turks friends with Serbs and Greeks (divide and conquer).

[@miroslavkozarov8803]

Interesting, how Macedonian question actually started slowly right after the liberation of Bulgaria and was finished in the socialism. Thought everything took place after the WW II and Jugoslavian propaganda, but it was actually a culmination of separating a nation and starting a hateress among people who were once united and fighting together for freedom.

[@KougarManx468]

Certaintly better than a ''Mario History Talks'' video . I think that you should overtake him in terms of views .

[@user-sl4px6kf6j]

The video is impressive!❤ ❤ ❤ But it still has some flaws. Trying to help the author to smooth them out, I would make some notes: 1. The role of Russia is presented a little bit naive. Not a single word about Reichstadt agreement and it is essential for understanding the Berlin Treaty, for example. 2. In 21:30 it is said approximately the following: “The Bulgarians in Macedonia... still had some local characteristics. ... that made the Bulgarians in Macedonia a little bit different from the Bulgarians in Bulgaria.” Such perspective is quite deceiving and it is important this to be understood taking in consideration that it is a basis of explaining the formation of the Macedonian nation. There is no such thing as “proper Bulgarian” which the common Macedonian differs to by something! Bulgaria can be divided into six regions (one of them is the Macedonian one) which are completely equal: they all differ from each other by some local specifics but non of them can adopt the title “proper Bulgarian/the “most Bulgarian” region”! In the same time, all the regions are strongly connected to each other and can easily be recognised as part of one whole cultural and ethnic “body”. Some simple examples: - Shirto folk dance is clearly one of the Macedonian fok dances, but it is well known and danced in all Bulgarian's regions. In the same time, Paydushko (also Paydushkata) and Elenino (Eleno mome) folk dances are no doubt folk dances from Severniashki region, but they are loved and danced in Macedonia (including Vardarska and Eagean, even though they are not in the Bulgarian state, but in RNM and in Greece); of course, in other Bulgarian regions are known and danced, too. -If you want to chose a Bulgarian dialect which would puzzle as many Bulgarians as possible, you never chose Macedonian, but rather Trun or Rodopa dialects. - the examples are numerous so I am stopping here. To summer up, if I need to point out “the most Bulgarian region”, the Macedonian one would be one of the main choices. Yes, the Macedonians themselves used to define themselves so, but it is not about it! It is because of merits as that as Otoman Empire eventually recognised “Bulgar millet” (“Bulgarian race”) in its territory as a result of struggle of the Macedonian Bulgarians (them and nobody else from the rest of the Bulgarians!). What an irony, indeed!!! I’ll keep the rest of the notes for myself as the post has become too long to be read. Please, don't take my notes as criticism! I repeat, this video is impressive! The author did great job and I truly appreciate his struggle to be objective!

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

Many thanks for your comment and support 🙏🙏🙏

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

Jas sum lovec na komentari i mi se smači kako miljon pati ja vrtite istata rasipana Gramofonska ploča . Vo 1962 godina na Todor Živkov mu se prdnalo da napiše vo ustavot deka nema makedonci i vie generaciski oddalečeni denes od toj Živkov , ništo ne ste smenile koga vidovte deka postoi Republikava Makedonija , samostojna država ! Toa ne ste go ni primetile vo idiotskiot Sanstefanski zanes ! Nikogaš nemate pomisleno što e suštinata na regionalnata razlika na Makedonija i Bugarija . Toa so orata i pesnite e samo uteha za aramilokot vaš koj vie bulgarite nikogaš nema da si go skratite . Vie ste došle a ne makedoncite vo znaenive vreminja . Ne si priznavate deka od Karavanki do Solunskata dolina teritorijata e vekovno povrzana so svoja geogravska ekonomska i kulturna transverzala . Patot Via Ignacija vodel sekogaš kon slavnata Makedonija ! Probuvnjeto na Bulgarite da se vklučat vo ovaa transverzala nikogaš ne uspealo i nema da uspee zošto tie došle so svoja posebnost a ne makedoncite ! Rimjanite ja porazile Makedonija a ne Blgarija ! Vo toa e celata rabota što Bulgarite nikogaš ne svaķate deka ne ste sakani kako posebnost . Komentirajte si vie ama nikako da razberete deka nikakva potreba od objasnuvanje nemame nie makedoncite deka ne haresate zošto sudbinata vi e deka ste stanale golemi , ama nikoj ne ve saka za ime . Ne saka nikoj ni da bil , ili da ne bil , pa da stane Bulgarin . Toa e nešto različno , kako Sonce i Mesečina što se različni ili kako Angličani i Francuzi što se različni . Ne obiduvajte se ! Mnogu ste nesakani navamu na Zapad ! Toa e isto kako da treba Turcija i Bulgarija da se spojat ! Vie tamu nakaj Crno More nikogaš nema da stanete Evropejci . Zošto vo Makedonija nikogaš ne postoele Blgari Makedonski ! Makedonija popusto ne e narečena Makedonija i nikogaš vo Makedonija nemalo nutu pak ke ima ligavi Blgarski aramii ! Vie Blgarite samo taka ste naviknale deka od Kamčatka do Apenini site Slavjanski prosveteni entiteti se Blgari ! Na srede Evropski parlament Zaharieva se posramoti i ostana żiva a izjavi deka Tito bil pogolem diktator od Živkov ! A Tito imaše samo druga doktrina kako što rekov ekonomska i kulturna transverzala od Karavanki do Solun bez Blgari .

[@vangelisskia214]

The Serbs didn't gain full independence until the 1860s or 1870s. For around 50 years prior to that they had gained autonomy but were still subjects of the Sultan and an Ottoman garisson was still stationed in Belgrade.

[@Petrosis]

A great historical analysis of the Macedonian question. A sad part of history. Sad for all the Balkans.

[@lol-hk5tz]

32:40 can confirm as a kyustendilean that we still retain the shopski dialect 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@lol-hk5tz]

sofia is being plagued by eastern speech tho

[@iznone]

Kъв кюстенделиц си ти бе? Татко ми родом от там и не се определяше ни като шоп ни като македонец а като българин! Контекстът тук е прозрачен като момина сълза - след като сърбите създадоха македонска нация се тръгна да се гради и шопска нация, съвсем естествено и разбираемо в духа на сръбския шовизнизъм, следва тракийска, лудогорска, родопска, странджанска и т.н. нация ... и стигаме до донбаска нация, но там вече са други империалстите.

[@HeroManNick132]

@@iznone Всичко идва от Русия и Западните сили, когато започваха да фалшифицират историята през 17-19-ти век и Русия по този начин се опитва да сътворява нови нации, като с Луханск, Донбас, Приднестровие, Абхазия, Южна Осетия, Крим и т.н. Сърбите подир тяхната воля и те са така, ама като става дума за Косово не щат да си го дават, ей така, щото нали ужким им е било ''сърцето!'' По едно време сърбите искаха да откраднат шопската салата, щото нали ''шопите'' били сърби и не знам си какви глупости. По принцип цялото Поморавие, включително и Белград са бивши български територии и е преобладавало повече българско население. Сърбите са били повече на северозапад към Черна гора и Република Сръбска в Босна и Херцеговина, ама в Поморавието почти е нямало сърби. Ние щяхме да си го получим, ала това не е станало, защото Тито ни е искал Пиринската Македония (Благоевградско) да е за тях. По на юг даже от Косовска Митровица няма нито един сърбин в Косово, всичко е албанско. Така, че съм напълно съгласен с коментара ви!

[@TenczereECar]

Do u agree with this sentence? Modern macedonians came to be when slavs arrived on the balkans and mixed with ancient macedonians along with other hellenic tribes, in the same period, another group of slavs mixed with thracians and Bolgars, they came to be Bulgarians, while the first group were called Macedonians, of course with a lot of wars and people being displaced bulgarians and macedonians also mixed heavily, creating the modern macedonian, and the modern bulgarian

[@PublicNemesisMedia]

I don't agree with that sentence because i don't believe in the "modern Macedonians are direct descendants of the Ancient Macedonians" theory and because the Slavs in Macedonia started calling themselves Bulgarians during the rule of Tsar Boris I.

[@497novakl]

​@@PublicNemesisMediathey started calling themselves slavs during the reign of simeon which was after boris.

[@imperfect2517]

7:34 yes, "Old Serbia", or modern day North Macedonia

[@danielagjor1805]

Macedonians have always been Macedonians even before 1900 year. Since the time of the ancient period. The Greeks are Hellenes and the Bulgarians are Tatars.

[@Uc9uE3pKsS6uQ]

во Скопие и Баба Яга има паметник, ама Г Димитров и Ж Желев немат 🤣

[@limazulu6660]

Е друго си е в Скопие да имаш център поръчан от Ali Express, истанбулски и албански квартали и грък точно в центъра. Виждат се повече жени по забрадки отколкото женки по къси полички. Я ела в София и виж огромната разлика, маке маке и много за история недей да говориш.

[@miroslavfilipov6589]

​@@limazulu6660Абе то така ама "макето" има право. На национални предатели чест не се прави. А израза "маке" си е заплют за наще. Вие шопето да си знаете 😂

[@HeroManNick132]

При тях не е паметник, а спомник! 🤣

[@AshourAnn]

Епа нема за нацисти, фашисти, комунисти, терористи, шовинисти, вахабисти, бугаристи итд.

[@user-pg1er7ct9v]

The so called " Macedonian Slavs"are actually Bulgarians!

[@jovan-noble-guy749]

No, that is not true, we ' re Macedonians, for a longer time than the modern day Bulgarians, check out Macedonian sources, they ' re very reliable and right.

[@petar4968]

🇲🇰👌

[@petar4968]

Why on the chest of Georgi Delchev is written,, buried in the capital city of independent Macedonia,, 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

Gotse Delchev was killed on May 4, 1903 in the village of Banitsa, which is located near the present-day Greek city of Seres and he was buried in the church in Banitsa. There are photos of the tombstone of Gotse Delchev before his body was moved to North Macedonia by the communists, and on these photos the inscription "Гоце Дълчевъ" is clearly visible. When did you have the letter "ъ" in your Serbian-Bulgarian alphabet?

[@petar4968]

MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS 🇲🇰👌🔴⚫☦️

[@Nasko789]

Boli vistinata a drugar???

[@billba]

And Spanish jews in Thessaloniki.

[@iskrenpetrov8844]

There is no land whit this name Macedonia… Да живее България ! Свобода или Смърт !

[@boki1504]

I'm afraid that you are leaving out a lot of parts regarding the Macedonian question. The Macedonian identity (let's simplify and say after the Slavicism) goes way back in my country and can be found in writings that date back to the Middle Ages. Saying that everyone had a Bulgarian identity and spoke Bulgarian language when there is obviously a huge power disadvantage is disingenuous, to say the least. We still have stories from our great-great grandmothers of being told that they speak Bulgarian and that they are Bulgarian when they clearly did not feel that way. (same goes for the Serbian influence). The Macedonians never had an ally or an upper hand that would be meaningful and therefore were always treated as something else. Like the Kurds today, we did not have a nation before the others and the region was poor, without much intelligencia to report what the common man was feeling. Everyone that had some knowledge had to say they are Bulgarian in order to have some success in education. Marko Cepenkov is still considered a Bulgarian frow Bulgarians, yet he clearly operated and got the poems and writings in the region of Macedonia. He like many others, felt his Macedonian identity to be stronger than anything else, and separate from the Bulgarian. There has always been a strong enough separation in this region and Bulgarians just can't live with that fact. It is a vey complicated history I admit, especially that we dont have many writings on our side, but we do have songs that go centuries back, and they do tell a hell of a story.

[@user-qg9fz5xm4b]

Saying "Saying that everyone had a Bulgarian identity and spoke Bulgarian language when there is obviously a huge power disadvantage is disingenuous, to say the least. " is projecting current national and language identity onto the past. Marko Cepenkov declared himslef bulgarian and his language bulgarian, so did the Miladinov brothers but both of their used languages are currently more closer to the codified north macedonian language then the current codified bulgarian, that's why bulgarians claimed the thing they claimed that's found in the French Proposal(2022)- that the macedonian language untill 1945 was a bulgarian dialect. Since the French Proposal the language issue has been resolved as the North Macedonian goverment issued a declaration that the macedonian language is the one codified in 1945. So our two understanding of macedonian language aren't contradicting eacheother and in theory we have put this behind us, but from what I get, your opposition and experts don't want this to be a resolved issue and want to bring it back to debate. Not understanding the bulgarian issues and concetrating on the "macedonian question" alone as two separate things is a common propaganda theme in North Macedonia which shouldn't be done because of the aformentioned authors therefore the shared culture (and history) that binds us. Regional identity with it's own folklore isn't uncommon in Bulgaria: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_Bulgarians ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrujan_Bulgarians ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Bulgarians are amongs the most well known. I do understand that nationalism isn't inherited since birth and the society is a key to build national identity. That's why these people: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi in Bulgaria, they consider thermselves bulgarian nationals with which have closest cultural ties, but those same ethnicity born in Serbia are considering thermselves serbian nationals with which have closest cultural ties, likewise those in North Macedonia believe to be macedonian nationalswith which have closest cultural ties. They can't be all right, right? So trying to create a sense of "right" national identity isn't right. Understanding the lack of it is very important to understand why IMRO fought on the bulgaria's side in the wars. Even Misirkov in his "On the Macedonian Matters" wrote: "Many people will want to know what sort of national separatism we are concerned with; they will ask if we are not thinking of creating a new Macedonian nation. Such a thing would be artificial and short-lived. And, anyway? What sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?...One of the first questions which will be posed by the opponents of national unification and of the revival movement in Macedonia will be: what is the Macedonian Slav nation? Macedonian as a nationality has never existed, they will say, and it does not exist now.... The first objection - that a Macedonian Slav nationality has never existed - may be very simply answered as follows: what has not existed in the past may still be brought into existence later, provided that the appropriate historical circumstances arise...- So even he acknowledges the fact that he calls for separatism. What is a separatism: cultural, ethnic, tribal, religious, racial, governmental, or gender separation from the larger group. We don't want to deny the earned right to secede althought your ancestors chose to do it violently(which resorted violent counter reaction in the past). If you have read Vanche Mihailov's books, you would have understand that he too wanted a macedonian state but without this whole bulgarian negationism and opposing macedonia vs bulgaria at least in the sphere of culture and history. PS Using the Kurds as a example shows lack of understanding the bulgarian issues with the "macedonian question"- kurds have existed as a separate tribes without being a center of any political entity, while Macedonia was a region which served as capitol region of both bulgarian and serbian empires. It's integration and cultural/historical ties cannot be disputed as the kurds can. Especially when we mention the aformentioned authors and the national revival heroes who identify thermselves and their culture/language as bulgarian. Negationism towards these bulgarian issues of the "macedonian question" is why we are in this situation. You wouldn't die and your nation too if you admit that we share strong cultural and historical bonds but because of the wars of the 20th century our two nations went separate ways.

[@boki1504]

@@user-qg9fz5xm4b with some points I do agree but I do wish to make this debate simpler. Most Macedonians now, like before, feel as if our nationhood is in question through political pressure. Of course we have had close cultural and regional experelience with Bulgaria(we have had it with Serbia as well), but that does not mean that we kinda fell off from Bulgaria and had our separate way as you say. My point is that there was a macedonian identity way earlier than recent history, and we were not only a geographic region with a name. I am curious what you thinh on these matters: - aegian macedonians and their prosecution im Greece (are they bulgarian/macedonians?) - when do you think the macedonian identity is formed.? - do you think that the countries in power like Bulgaria would allow authors to claim a nonbulgarian senitment in their writings for macedonia - why were macedonian jews treated differently than bulgarian ones - is the current VETO from Bulgaria justified - why dont the Bulgarian recognize macedonian minorities in Pirin? -

[@user-qg9fz5xm4b]

@@boki1504 "My point is that there was a macedonian identity way earlier than recent history, and we were not only a geographic region with a name. " Then why is there no medieval state of Macedonia? About you points: 1. Greece: read about the slavic population's activities in Greece during WWII: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrana Of course after WWII they didn't wanted to be associated with the losers states or regimes so that's why they joined Tito's bid in the greek civil war, calling thermselves macedonians. 2. Separate identity? North Macedonia propaganda misuses the term macedonia, so I have to give you context: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_(obsolete_terminology) is every person in the region of Macedonia which lasted untill the Balkan wars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(ethnic_group) "The earliest manifestations of an incipient Macedonian identity emerged during the second half of the 19th century[46][47][48] among limited circles of Slavic-speaking intellectuals, predominantly outside the region of Macedonia. They arose AFTER the First World War and especially during 1930s," Yane Sandanski tried to create a sense of a new ethnicity by opposing the Exarchy and it's school system but eventually gave up and joined the bulgarian army and goals during the wars. So the formation of the macedonian ethnicity is in my oppinion after WWI during the oppresion against the bulgarians evident in the Ohrid- Debar uprising which survivers fled to Bulgaria for safety asnd have remained bulgarians. During WWI even your own historiography does not show armed or political opposition within Macedonia towards Bulgaria but external one like the wikipedia cites(where's your anti- bulgarian IMRO at that time?!?, PS Don't bring up a consipracy telling me it was exterminated resulting into a world without evidence of their's existence). 3. Propaganda stipulates some great conspiracy theory against your poor state. Do I have to remind you that Miladinov Brothers wrote their work 30+ years before Bulgaria emerged semi- independant in 1878(or the fact that they printed their work in modern day Croatia not Bulgaria)? Grigor Parlichev too revealed bulgarian self- identification in the 1860's, which is two decades before Bulgaria form a state therefore goverment with foreign agenda(PS The Exarchy was formed in 1870's so again there isn't a buglarian propaganda body to blame)! The right of self- determination doesn't allow anyone to negate the self- determination of others, especially their national revival heroes or to make up conspiracy theories to justify your biases and prejudices towards some person or nation. 4. Vardarska Banovina and Greece's Thrace were conquered by Nazi Germany. They handed over the administration of these regions to the bulgarian army but stipulated that the Jews wouldn't get bulgarian citizenship. As a result of that Bulgaria didn't had legal course of action against the deportation. 5. Is the bulgarian veto justified? We have an agreement but North Macedonia does not honor it. The language issue should have been resolved alas macedonians claim it is not. The consitutional amendments should have been done by now alas they aren't. The joint commemoration of our common history should have been done but still no joined commemorations were made without rising tensions. 6. We are going to recognize the 1 000 north macedonians nationals in Pirin when your nation recognize the macedonians in Pririn as bulgarians who have different national identity than you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Bulgarians PPS Krste Misirkov's work frequently mentiones that macedonians are separatists. That they do not exist in the past but that doesn't mean that they cannot exist in the future. Why can't we both agree on his position towards the macedonian nationalism? USA, Belarus, Belgium and many more are in essence separatist states which emerged during upheaval(the american revolution after the 7 years war's tax policies, USSR dissolvment and Napoleon's defeat each respectively) were created as a separate nations. Kosovo is the most modern separatist state on the scene on the Balkans. You have recognized their secession, we too have recognized it. So the idea of recognizing separatists state isn't uncommon for both of us. It will be very strange that you people celebrate K. Misirkov(and his work) as national hero but when we use his name and work, we are evil propagandists? Why one and the same thing said by you people is ok, but when it's said by bulgarians it isn't?

[@boki1504]

@@user-qg9fz5xm4b okay thanks. Had to see what I am dealing with. The typical propaganda, with the whole, Bulgarian were really not ruling this region with fashist government and allies. The 1000 unregistered NORTH macedonians (not a single document has north macedonian nationality) . I talk about Identity, you reply by asking when did we have a nation.... ridiculous. Bulgaria is good Macedonia is bad type of view. Lets just say that we dont agree on fundamentals and I probably dont appreciate your stance as i find it simple and disrespectful mostly (I can sense the patronising from way over here). Пријатен ден.

[@user-qg9fz5xm4b]

@@boki1504 seriously? You deny the self- identification of the people like Miladinov Brothers , Parlichev, Cepenkov and many others, but somehow I'm the conspiracy and denialist "hero" here?

[@imperfect2517]

12:10 its Serbians, not Serbs. If you are going to call Serbs from Montenegro by their regional name, then call Serbs from Serbia by theie regional name too

[@bor4oborisov]

Why you call Bulgarians - macedonian slavs

[@skladzasnimki6th818]

Колку е тешко да се прифати реалноста дека во минатото, етнички, културолошки, јазично, Бугарите и Македонците биле иста работа. Сите книги го кажуваат тоа. Сите во Европа го знаат ова. Земете ја на пример Молдавија. Тие имаат и молдавски јазик кој е признат, но и самите Молдавци признаваат дека овој јазик е во суштина романски. Ова не ги прави помалку Молдавци. Македонскиот е кодифициран врз основа на бугарскиот. Поради оваа причина, сите документи на ВМРО, писмата на Гоце Делчев и сите биографии, се е напишано на бугарски јазик. Немаме документи на македонски пред 1945 година. Венко Марковски, кој е татко на македонскиот јазик, директно признава како настанал македонскиот јазик. Крајно време е да ја препознаеме нашата блискост со Бугарите. Тоа се нашите браќа. Мораме да им свртиме грб на комунистите, кои го убија ВМРО, ги пратија сите од АСНОМ по затвори и направија душмани од Бугарите и браќата Срби. За Гоце Делчев Бугарите се браќа, а Србите непријатели. [Цит. по: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWS3hmOGn9hjj8k @КnowHowTrainer, December 2022]

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

Vo red ama toa se pravi na miren način i da se počeka da pomine vreme . Ako dade Gospod ! So sorabotka i sloboden vlez vo EU . Ne so ultimatumi i prisila . Treba vreme ! Posebno treba da respektiraat deka sme bile vo različni sojuzi i ne e lesna rabotata koja tie ja posakuvaat . Kako ke može nie sega da svrtime na Blgarski govor koga se znae deka od sekogaš poinaku sme zboruvale . Koj znae kolku mu bilo teško na Makedoncite da svrtat , da se prilagodat i da se deklariraat vo Bugarskoto vreme za Bulgari . Ima luģe zivi koi seušte pametat deka bila dobra volja i seslovenstvo a ne toa deka sme bile i nie Blgari . Nikogaš Bulgarite ne možat da razberat deka tie prvo ne sakale vo Jugoslovenski Sojuz ! A potoa nikogaš ne se izvinile deka bea so Gestapo ! Ne bilo ništo komunistički i so prisila tuku beganje od pogrešnata strana na Bulgarija vo WW2 . Blgarite imaat pogrešna istorija . Tie StaroSlovenskiot jazik koj e sozdaden za Kristijaniziranje i sozdavanje na Crkovni knigi , go prisvoija i go narekle Staroblgarski ! Od koe proizleguva deka Bulgarite koi došle od kaj Volga donele bulgarstvo a kasifikacijata vo Evropa za jazici e 1.Grčka grupa na Indoevropski jazik , 2.Latinski indoevropski jazici i 3.Slavjanski grupi na Indoevropski jazici . A druga mogu pogrešna rabota e što izvadile deka postoele Proto Bulgari na Balkanov ! Mnogu idiotska rabota ! Ne se utihnuvaat i posle Prespanskiot dogovor , da se smirat i da ja prilagodat istorijata tie , prema toj odgovor odobren od UN .

[@Nasko789]

👏

[@Dejan-sg5mg]

Oф, колку си неписмен. Истражи кој е Ѓорѓи Пулевски, човекот кој во 1876 го создал три јазичниот речник македонски-албански-турски речник,

[@Nasko789]

@@Dejan-sg5mg toj sto e nepismen si ti

[@nikolaykolev1438]

It is insulting and humiliating for someone with political decisions and administrative acts to determine the identity of the people.Without taking into account the parents,grandfathers,Language,customs and national psychology of people.Those who don't even know about such decisions.God has decided who,of what nationality it is.Interference in God's works created heavy karma for offenders.

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

It is offending to put name Bulgars to the inhabitant of a region Macedonia ( not only a region but Oficialy province Macedonia for ages but let's forget the 2000 years of colonial time ) if it is clear that only Onogurians in small quantity as a ruling dynasty , made Bolgaria on three Seas and collapsed . Even Bulgagians of today do not have Onogutian percentage . The most important is that macedonians did Uprising of Ilinden in 1903 because were ommited in all other uprisings against Otoman and made again uprising in 1941 again against Bulgar onogurian Fashistic that were conducted by Tsar Boris , Onogurian lobby in Rome . If you are frustrated because your name of a country is Onogurian just make complain in UN asembly of Nations and change it . So , what is going to happend next . All young generations of Bulgaria all ready know that they are not Onogurians . But macedonians from all over Macedonia are waiting to be culturally united in EU . That is the reason of your idiotic veto . I am going to wait . You cannot make me onogurian if my Grandfather had Otoman birth certificate and my mother had Bulgar Onogurian school certificate .

[@nikolaykolev1438]

@@voskreglavincevska7080 From antiquity to modern times,Bulgarian knees had different ethnographic names. Ancient:mises,gaetaes,tribali,dardani,piers,migdons,edons,odrises,briges,bessie,etc. Middle Age:Bersili,Essegeli,Kutriguri,Kutiguri,Utigiri,Onogunduri,etc. From the middle of the 19th century:Dobrudzhans,Moesians,Shopi,Thracians,Macedonians. They all had a common name arias. This name we still have today-blagi/blessed/ ari-blagari.Blaga/blessed/Aria-Blagaria.

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

@@nikolaykolev1438 you think that macedonian are resistant with that "blagi" name. No thank you we are talking now about defined nations in UN . You must respect macedonian nationality verified today . Take of your sorrow for the past !

[@nikolaykolev1438]

@@voskreglavincevska7080 Only the real remains to live.The Bulgarian people are the proof.Macedonian is only a geographical concept for a population of defferent nationalities:Bulgarians,Albanians,Greeks,Turks,Vlachs.

[@voskreglavincevska7080]

@@nikolaykolev1438 What you are suggesting now! ............ Anyway see you in EU by 2028 . Your veto have date of expire !

[@mitkodimitrov8396]

The True will make you Free.If Alexander the Great speak macedonian then i as bulgarian will understand him,coz those macedonian is a bulgarian dialekt,but greeks will not understand him at all,hihihhiih poor greeks,hi must comand his army with translator-absurd.Brainwashing in 23 century is very stupid-just open Google hahaha

[@t30dore59]

Serbo-Bulgars don't have anything to do with ancient macedonians.

[@mitkodimitrov8396]

agreed@@t30dore59

[@leonden3922]

Macedonia is West BULGARIA!

[@petar4968]

Why macedonia maps macedonia and bulgaria are not united

[@AshourAnn]

***recognized and had existed are two different things. Even the gypsis were recognized at that year, but that recognition does not mean that they didnt existed before.

[@Milan23_]

Macedonia was part of Dusan empire, and capital of empire was Skoplje. Bulgaria did not liberate Macedonia from Otomans i dont see how can Bulgaria have territorial claims towards it, it was in Germany interest to force Bulgaria to have wars with Yugoslavia, remember german ruler of Buglaria at the time.

[@trallalla]

Once it was... Before was part of Bulgarian empire.Then it was part of Byzantine empire,then Ottoman empire, then Kingdom of Yugoslavia.What do you want to tell - that there is no Serbian genocide in this lands? That vast majority was serbian in this land? What the ottoman archives says about this lands?.. Don't get me wrong - the today's people of Bulgaria has only historical claims.

[@HeroManNick132]

Lmao Serbia ruled over that region for like 20 years. Stop making this up, Bulgaria, Byzantium and literally everyone ruled it longer than you Serbs. And Dusan was half Bulgarian too so yeah, we can't lie to ourselves. Plus Belgrade was made by the Bulgarians too.

[@antongeorgiev1089]

Not territorial claims, we were the same people. Serbs in Jugoslavia had those territorial "liberation" claims because of geopolitical strategy (which was also related to a traumatic genocide, so as it usually goes with genocides, it creates over the top nationalism, and I still feel Serbs are our brothers too, even after all terrible things that happened between us). Bulgarians just believed they are being separated from their brothers. I prefer to split all Bulgarian lands in half and live as two friendly countries, than gain Macedonian territory and antagonize the people there.

[@user-mw5hv1lq1e]

The Serbs and Montenegrins did not participate in the Russo-Turkish war, this is your only mistake.Bulgarians, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and Finns participate, I am writing it again because I do not want to give credit to the Serbs when they do not participate. More Arnaut Albanians participate than Serbs.

[@BolganH]

They did participate. You can search up Russo Turkish War 1877-1878.

[@dilyandaynovski]

​@@BolganHOn papier they did. But was their contribution really that great for it to be rewarded with Pirot region, which was Bulgarian at that point, I don't think so, feel free to correct me. For me giving Nishko and Pirotsko to the serbs was the beginning of the absurd and illegal affiliation of ethnically Bulgarian lands to Serbia, following the absurd and greedy surbian claims of more and more land, that simply did not belong to them!

[@imperfect2517]

Serbians* and Montenegrins

[@AshourAnn]

Let's get real here. Were you some kind of time traveler witnessing those events? Unless you've discovered the secret to time travel, or you have a time machine hidden somewhere. I mean no references, no bibliography, no works cited, and I highly doubt you were there to witness it firsthand. That's like trying to convince me that I'm actually a unicorn in disguise. So, let's keep it real and stop lying people. Let's keep it real and stick to the facts to avoid any misunderstandings.

[@Nasko789]

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[@petar4968]

We shared history yes but that doesn't mean bulgaria should bully Macedonia in every way, as Germany supports Austtia

[@petar4968]

Vardar egej pirin =Makedonija🇲🇰👌

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

The people of Pirin and the Aegean region consider you Serbs and Albanians, not Macedonians.

[@petar4968]

Macedonianswere always a separate nation but they couldn't get that, also the Macedonian language is used by Bulgarians, everyone from VMRO was fighting for independent Macedonia not Macedonia in Bulgaria, Macedonion nationalism wasn't powerful at that time because of serbian and Bulgarian propaganda and how magicaly tito made over 3 4 milion Macedonian in the world one day to wake up and say we are not bulgarians we are Macedonia

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

None of this is true. The real Macedonian language is Doric Greek, and the alphabet - Greek Koine. You speak a serbinized Bulgarian dialect. The CIA in 1950 issued a report on this (CIA-RDP83-00415R004300550001-2). Pages 5 and 6 - "...They (the Komintern) created the Macedonian language. All family names were altered. Books are printed in Macedonian, which the Macedonians do not understand.... It is a transition between the Serbian and Bulgarian languages, but more related to the Bulgarian...".

[@Nasko789]

Prifati ja vistinata

[@adnannazifi4532]

O my friend that's was all ALBANIAN land , after the slave people day comes , but God almighty is saying don't go there where is not yours , ok and how was Alexander the Greatest he was from ILIRIEN tribe ok, ALBANIAN people today ,ok thanks

[@georgegaitanidis2161]

I speak Greek, his language Alexander the Great. Alexander's teacher was Aristotle - They spoke Slavic, because they are Slavs. Did you understand ?

[@cuorenero5076]

Macedonians are GREEKS