Macedonia Naming Controversy Explained

[@Kagemusha08]

What's this? Two Balkan countries disagreeing with one another? I for one am shocked!

[@Fassislau]

I LOLED at this comment ! :D

[@panosa2502]

+Kagemusha08 ... yes because Britain, France an Germany agreed on all things and exchanged flowers all these years. If it wasn't for Americans, idiots, you would still kill each other.

[@googlespieonsomeoneelse4898]

Panos A You've got to admit though that Balkan countries having fights over petty bullshit is a thing that occurs pretty regularly.

[@panosa2502]

+Google Spie On Someone Else True. But only for one major reason which is revealed by the fact that there is not a single such issue in which you won't find the usual suspects deeply involved if not at the root cause of the issue (Britain, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Austria and post-WWII USA and recently China). Had it not been for these outside "great powers" the region would had settled down centuries ago (i.e. Greeks would had liberated the land by 1770 at latest, 3 major nations would exist : Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbians). Western European countries have long invested in the region's instability and that is what they do right now. Remember the Yugpslav wars? They were backing up Alija Izetbecovic who was one of the first modern Jihadists. This is no joke, no exagerration just seek and find what this man was writing back in the late 60s and 70s. When they back jihadists (like they do in Syria), when they construct fake nations and back them against the sovereign nations of the region, what do you expect? Stability? What is the economy of Germany? 3-4 trillion euros? With 500 billion (100 billion only to bribe local politicians) you can easily make Bavaria break off with a big bang and a couple of million of dead. You can do it even more easily if you pay Czechs to pretend being the true Bavarians!

[@gelisgeo1309]

Kagemusha08 exactly they stolen Greek name and history...

[@federalfarmer8174]

i love how you tackle these controversial issues with a high degree of objectivity each and every time

[@WonderWhy]

Thank you! I really appreciate that because that's exactly what I always strive for.

[@lordofmilk8063]

WonderWhy Keep up the good work. The comments will always be filled with misinformed idiots.

[@hedgehog3180]

I personally can't believe that this is actually controversial but I guess that's the Balkans for you.

[@lordofmilk8063]

hedgehog3180 Its a long and complicated history if you truly want to understand it. There is just so many sides of the story you need to take considerations before you can understand. I don't think a youtube video can truly simplify this mess.

[@FIRE-zt6vw]

@@hedgehog3180 i personally can belive how stupid you are

[@kx3z]

The Glorious South Slavic Un-Hellenic Non-Alexandrian Former Yugoslav Democratic Republic of Upper New Vardar Occupied Macedonia-Skopje edit: nirad802 suggested adding New Vardar edit 2: Haris Manou said that Macedonia isn't the best option to put in this name, so I'll change it to occupied Macedonia

[@astrum097]

THE NATION GSSUHNAFYDRUM

[@astrum097]

Iykury lol

[@FillipeBunchOfNumbers3210]

just missed Vardar

[@Fabs4947]

vocalweeb MY MAN

[@Evzone1821]

*Pins Order of Alexander to your chest*

[@ThePeter2386]

I live in montreal Canada. But I followed the "north Macedonian" trend and built a statue of Julius Caesar in my backyard 2 yrs ago. Now I consider myself roman , I live in rome and you must call me a roman .

[@e.v.5456]

Till 1830 "greeks" were pretending to have a roman identity so it would be more accurate to call it gypsie greek trend

[@ThePeter2386]

@@e.v.5456 lol yeah good one nerd 👍

[@nikosnas2184]

@@e.v.5456 we were part of the roman empire lol. We were named the eastern roman empire and were mostly greek speaking. I dont make sense out of your comment so im just giving you out this handful of information.

[@bigbangchrysa]

@@e.v.5456 Read a book man . Seriously. The Homer was publishing the Iliad 700 years before the Romans were even a thing. I repeat. Read a book

[@katerinadud]

Are you for real? Hahahah. Read a bit of history, 1913, the Bucurest deal. This is how far I can help you! Goodluck in your endevours building idols in your backyard.

[@CS-sr5nt]

Short version: Greece: copyright strike

[@Божидар-в2п]

Nahh , grece is Macedonian

[@comingafteryou5352]

@@Божидар-в2п Greece isn't only Macedonia but Attica, Peloponnese and other Greek regions 😉

[@bobantheighty6141]

Macedonian Empire from the antiquity and Macedonia in nowadays are two completely different things! The first one is a Macedonia of Alexander The Great and the second one, the nowadays MACEDONIA, a region divided between 3 countries now, was predominantly populated by Slavic Macedonians also known as Bulgarians from Macedonian region!

[@andrej1551]

Oh fuck off

[@Sekachot]

When we was here, your nation was not even behind the Karpats, and the bulgarians was not even in Mongolia so... You just talk trash.

[@flioink]

It's hilarious to me as Bulgarian when I hear FYROM-ians claim ancient Greek history and pedigree while at the same time speaking a Bulgarian dialect and using the Cyrillic alphabet. They keep giving the Greeks high blood pressure. You literally can't parody this shit - it's beyond ridiculous.

[@marvelfannumber1]

Exactly, it would be like Moldova claiming to be the rightful heir to the Bulgarian Empire because a tiny sliver of Moldova used to be a part of it. It's the most ridiculous nonsense.

[@Xo-3130]

flioink Actually language is not a good indication of ancestry. The English may speak a Germanic language but ethically they are actually Celts. The France language is deprived from Latin and the country from the Franks but they are just direct descendents of the Gauls Ceaser conquered. It's actually a common practice for the conquerors who are naturally a minority to attempt to culturally assimilated the natives so that they don't face rebellion.

[@КонстантинВениер]

But in this case Emp United the Greek macedonias preserved the greek language which has direct ties to the ancient greek language and were not assimilated by the numerous historical conquerors in the region. Hence the greek macedonians have a way stronger case of claiming direct assosiation with the ancient Greek macedonian history given also that there is a direct geographical link of the ancient macedonian kingdom and modern Greek macedonia.

[@Xo-3130]

Константин Вениер That much is true yet to simply lump the people of Bulgaria is a bit of a insult as despite the assimilation they at least retain the ideauty of them still being Macedonians even if they aren't culturally that. The naming claim really comes down to how one can detail what constitutes a descendent and the context they are using for the claim. Genetically they are descendents of Macedonian Greeks, culturally they are almost completely Slavic and either way you well offend either side as to claim they are enrages the Greeks or if not you offend them.

[@КонстантинВениер]

Emp United I agree with your logic but I strongly disagree with the claim that Macedonians are genetically linked to ancient Greek macedonians. As I have done extensive research in this area, the iGENEA genetics results (if this is the results you used for your argument) constantly used by the macedonian side of the dispute has been deemed highly inacurate and questionable to the point that they removed the statistics from their site a couple of years ago. There have been several other genetic tests though that show direct link of the macedonians with the other slavic ethnicities such as the Bulgarian, Serbian, Bosnian, Ukranian Polish etc. Of course we are dealing with the Balkans where throughout the centuries especially during the ottoman rule there has been a significant mix of people, cultures and genetics so nothing is absolute. Claiming that modern macedonians are genetically descendant of macedonian Greeks is definetly wrong. The ancient macedonians were of doric origins which today has been proven to be a people of indo-european descent. This indo-european doric genetic can be found in a majority of Greek people especially in northern Greece. Last the claims of the purity of this so called European race is bs.. indo-europeans are proven by genetics to originate from the east and not from the north as many believe.

[@Alketas17gr]

Saying Alexandros was Macedonian and not Greek, is like saying Leonidas was Spartan and not Greek, Pericles was Athenian and not Greek, or that Oedipus was Corinthian and not Greek. Back then there wasn't one united Hellas but many independent Greek City States that shared language, religion, beliefs, traditions and culture. That's basic history. But I guess in the world we live in, every nobody can claim something...

[@yanuchiuchihaanimegamesand3907]

1. Ancient Greeks called Ancient Macedonians Barbarians [non-Greeks] 2. Simply using someone else's script does not make You a part of their nation, why? Becau8se about half of the world should belong to England by that logic 3. The nobody claiming everything is Greece, why? Before the balkan wars Greeks had no idea about the ancient past and the ones that introduced them to it were the Brittish and French

[@ppaaccoojrf]

+Yanuchi Uchiha The fact that you believe the Latin script is English leads me to completely ignore any sort of opinion on history you may have.

[@franknwalters]

Yanuchi Uchiha: Anime, Games and Ramdomness On 1. Not the Greeks, an Athenian statesmen, Demosthenes, and for political reasons. And though the Athenians regarded practically every non-Athenian being inferior to them (polically), there were many Athenian statesmen who defended Philipp. Aeschines, the Athenian statesman, defending Philipp and the macedons *accused Demosthenes that not Philipp, but Demosthenes hilself was a barbarian.* In fact, the word 'barbarian' was being used VASTLY as a political insult rather than to define ancestry. Obviously they 'forgot' to teach you these in Skopje. On 2. Arrian, _"Anabasis of Alexander"_ Book II, Ch.7, par.4,5, Cambridge, Massachussets, Harvard University Press _"...We Macedonians are to fight Medes and Persians, nations long steeped in luxury, while we heve long been hardened by warlike toils and dangers; and above it will be a fight among free men and slaves. And so•far _*_as Greek will meet Greek, WE shall not be fighting for like causes;_*_ those mercenaries with Dareius will risk their lives for pay, and poor pay too; _*_WE on the cotrary shall find for Greece and our hearts will be in it..."_* On 3. Ioannis (John) III Doukas Vatatzes , Emperor of Eastern Roman Empire (Empire of Nicaea) *1222-54 AD* Response Epistle to Pope Gregory VIII of Rome _"…This letter highlighted that _*_in our Greek race,_*_ wisdom is prevalent, and like a fountain, where drops are dropped everywhere, it is just for us, _*_we who this distinction light us,_*_ not to ignore the hierarchy of your throne. Then you demand from us not to ignore your own throne and its privileges, how we will counter demand from you not to disregard and acknowledge our right in authority and the state of Constantinople, which gained this authority from the times of Constantine the Great, and after it had seen many lords after him of _*_our race,_*_ and lasted for _*_A MILLENNIA,_*_ came down to us. For example the founders of my dynasty, those from the race of Duke’s and Comnenes, _*_not to mention the other ones, who all derive from Greek races, those, thus, of my generation held the power of Constantinople for hundreds of years._*_ Those (Emperors) who, even the Church of Rome and its hierarchic superiors, were calling ‘’Emperors of the Romans’’, now how come we seem to you that we have from nowhere the authority and the kingdom…''_

[@emmanouilachladiotis5272]

So This is like saying Turkey can be Macedonia, Syria can be Macedonia, all the conquered land of Alexander the Great can be claim with the name Macedonia but they don't and can't, so why they (the slavic) would and could do that? Just because of land that was conquered there? But other countries were also conquered.. there must be an hidden agenda behind all this

[@Kostas_Pro69]

Yanuchi Uchiha: Anime, Games and Ramdomness Then why most of the Macedonia(the real one,the Greek) even before of Balkan wars was full of Greeks?

[@lillyie]

legends say that saying "Macedonia is a country" 3 times in front of a mirror could make an angry Greek appear

[@milanfras4934]

ahahahaha

[@jedibjj5488]

Or angry truth seeker!

[@loyalbeaver9402]

Greece has no problem with Macedonia being a country. If Alexander the Great was not the King of Macedonia, which country's king he was? The absurdity is Macedonia being a slavic country. (The very image of Alexander the Great talking in Slavic to his mentor Aristotle feels like a skit from a comedy.) Macedonia can certainly be a country. But if there is a Macedonian state, by definition it's a Greek country. If it's not Greek, then it's Not a Macedonian state, but a different country.

[@kostasgk1664]

It's true. Anyone wants souvlaki?

[@InsaneFoxx]

@@loyalbeaver9402 Exactly, Like, how I have a friend named Alex, which, despite never having set foot on the continent of Europe, makes him Greek. Because if anyone is named Alexander, that automatically means they have to be Greek. No one else is allowed to use the name Alexander.

[@fmldominic]

didnt mention that Greece isnt actually called greece..... the official name of the country is the Hellenic Republic and macedonia in ancient time was a hellenic kingdom, not slavic.....

[@hedgehog3180]

Well fuck I guess the solution is just to call Macedonia Greece since that name isn't taken.

[@DimitarBerberu]

I second it. Aromanians are considered the closest to ancient Macedonians & they don't care about this mess. Let's remove the borders. We want to enjoy the Macedonian salad.

[@gtmopl9048]

Yes its Hellas not Greece. Greece was the name the Romans used for Hellas. Our name is Hellas not Grecce. 100% yu are right

[@dansie8320]

fmldominic u know history man ...hw old were once again ??

[@thot_wheels7618]

Dimitar Berberu aromanias?what

[@limnmark]

Hellas is another name of Greece. And The ancient Macedonian Kingdom was actually Hellinistic. Like the world that Alexander created

[@limnmark]

Worldbests.... Actually Alexander not only created a Hellinistic Kingdom but he was also Greek. Like his name, his culture, his Gods, His origins. His everything.

[@andrewong2956]

@@limnmark And Alexander is from Pella, located Only in Greece.

[@andrewong2956]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos Ευχαριστω τοσο πολυ!!!

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@limnmark before 25 centuries ALEXANDER THE GREAT --- TSAR ON MAKEDONIJA ! ! !

[@costasdoctgr]

The video is quite accurate and well done BUT tha major issue is not the name but the fact that people from Skopia claim to be the true descentents of Alexander the Great and of ancient Macedonians. They claim that ancient Macedonias were not Greeks and that the language they spoke had no relation to ancient Greek!!! They simply claim parts of Greek history as their own and that is why Greece can't aggree with the use of the name Macedonia by them.

[@gv8840]

its because its true costa...macedonia is not greek...have a look at the way the historians described the macedonians tall...huge...strong...athletic...now lets look at the greeks...small...stocky...fat and of dark features...guess what...they are not the same...and genetically not the same...proof macedonians were not Greek

[@brucewayneisdeadpool830]

Green Lantern Now that s one of the most retarded comments, I ve ever heard of. How can somebody even begin to form an answer if someone states such meaningless and untrue claims, expecting to be taken seriously

[@gv8840]

+Bruce Wayne is Deadpool Read your own greek historians description of how the macedonians looked you idiot...

[@brucewayneisdeadpool830]

No the amazing thing is that you claim that greeks are small stocky and fat and you ignore that 1. Being fat is about diet, greece might have an obesity problem now but that has nothing to do with hereditary aspects. 2. Height is something that changes over the years, during the Napoleonic years someone having a stature of 1.70 was considered pretty average while now it's considered short. 3. On the same note, historians of that time might have thought that Macedonians are tall, because the average back then was small. 4. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. Wait you think guys from Skopje are "tall", "huge", and athletic. Piss off. You guys are slav squatting so hard that after the age of 25 you start losing height. And the only reason you are not fat is because you don t have money to feed yourselves.

[@brucewayneisdeadpool830]

Fyrom has guys so pale cause they are all slavic tribes straight from the north. Greece on the contrary has a skin complex much closer to the one macedonians had. So fucking piss off and find another historic figure to steal.

[@xxnetherxx1]

If the skopjeans (west bulgarians) were "right" about this argument, then why couldn't they ratio this video which CLEARLY states that Macedonia is Greek. Which, Macedonia is Greek and will NEVER be slavic.

[@bedwar12494]

did you really say "west bulgarians"?

[@longingforthesouth9198]

First, what do you mean by "ratio"? Second, the slavic Macedonians don't live only in Skopje, but also in Bitola, Ohrid, Florina, Kastoria, Edessa and many other places all over Macedonia (note: I use the expanded [Roman] definition of what Macedonia is and not the oldest definition that covered only the area around Pella, Vergina and Thessaloniki)

[@Thessaloz]

Its really weird that we are speaking in 2018 about an ancient Kingdom that spoke Greek, belived in Greek gods, had the Greek culture etc etc. Slavs has nothing to do with Macedonia, they have beautiful culture, glorious history and many things to be proud of. FYROM please stop r@ping Slavic history!!!!

[@hreniucandrei3702]

Extra points for adding a censor to "raping".

[@xristo702]

Listen man, if I could come from anywhere else I would just to stop hearing shit like this. Hellenes and slavs moved freely between your country and mine at least since 700 ad and continued to do so all the way up to the balkan wars. When greek and other national identities began to coalesce in the early 1900s, atrocities were committed, population exchanges occurred, traitors were exiled...and now you have to deal with US, a slavic speaking people who used to live all the way from Veroia up to Skopje! The grudges we have are REAL, my friend....not some tito brainwashing and many of us ACTUALLY CAME FROM MACEDONIA (not just Paeonia)before getting driven out. As for me, I love being slavic and your idiotic pleas for us to "stop raping slavic history" is pathetic. Our "slavic macedonian" identity has been around since the middle ages and I can admit that it (obviously) has very little to do with ancient Macedon but it also didn't just materialize in the 1990s after we broke off from Yugoslavia either. So calling us fyromians is a dick move and precisely why we'll never get along.

[@jerie00]

George: Scottish people speak English, believe in the same God, and write the same language and have a similar culture to the English, but they are NOT English. Macedonians (like me and my forefathers) speak Macedonian, we come from the (now) Greek part of Macedonia. What is strange is that Greeks call us Slavs, a term that I had never heard applied to Macedonians up until the 1990's, when the Greek government needed to hide from the global community the truth that is the Greek governments attempt at genocide of the Macedonian people of Aegis Makedonia. It's a terrible part of the history of Greece that needs to be told

[@justinduck2953]

@@jerie00 yeah, Scottish people are not English but both are British. Just like Macedonians are not Athenians but they are both Greeks. In your own example imagine if Scottish people were claiming they spoke Scottish instead of English Just because they have a different accent. They would sound stupid, right? Well that's how you sound when you say you speak Macedonian when in reality you speak Bulgarian but with a different accent

[@jerie00]

@@justinduck2953 actually the Scots have a very different native language to the English, as do the Welsh and the Irish. They all speak English now. And as the Scottish day 'hud ye whisht, ya wee lad' Alexander spoke Macedonian as well as Greek, because it was the language of trade and literature of the time. I don't speak Greek, but I speak Macedonian. My father was forced to speak Greek by the Greeks or be fined or imprisoned

[@tasoslts3480]

It's not just a name. The people of FYROM claim the Greek history. They claim a part of the Greek civilization. They teach their kids in school and home (or brainwash one should say), that they are the true desendants of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom, that the ancient Macedonian Kingdom was not Greek, but ancient slavic and Albanian (all lies, it is undisputably Greek), and such... Their new generations the last 25 years have been raised with these lies due to their ethnicism. That's why we can't solve the problem. Because they claim our history, it is not the name, but behind the name lies a whole history... And just to know, Macedonia is linguistically a Greek word!!

[@Bardim18]

In case you didn't understand by his/her name, he/she is Greek you idiot!!

[@tasoslts3480]

Yes, I am (a proud) Greek :)

[@Bardim18]

Logan IceGlare /Λόγκαν Λάμση Παγετού Γειά σου ρε πατρίδα!!

[@akis33]

Macedonia is Greece.We dont care what they say.God is with us.Athens,Sparta Macedonia Corinth,Thebes,Eretria, Chalcis etc was greek city-states For the fake country of new world order, the new Monkeydonia or x country of Υugοslavia that their name was Vardaska is so fake that nothing can stand. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2KQpnWLpJWIh5o&ytbChannel=Christos%20Kastamonitis Even bible saying the truth about Greek macedonia.Not only the history.I am saying that for Cristian people and special for the fake country of Monkeydonia because the are Cristian Orthodox. Prophet Daniel 11 Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will arise in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece. 3 Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases.(Alexander the Great) 4 After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others. All bible and all history full of proves! FAKE COUNTRY FAKE RELIGION THEIR NAME IS MONKEYDONIA OF NEW WORD ORDER.THE ONLY NAME THEY CAN HAVE IS "ABOVE THE REAL GREEK MACEDONIA" Its better for them if they love lies to change religion,to be something else except Cristian.Our prophets, as elder paisios said that this fake country of mankeydonia will break.Just watch.......

[@ΠαυλοςΠαπαευθυμιου-ε4η]

Green Lantern Any argument ? I don't think so

[@purplepanda8805]

WonderWhy: *mentions balkans* Balkans: REEEEEEEEEEE

[@bobantheighty6141]

Encyclopædia Britannica 📖: "The Slavic-speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century."

[@kdielekdndkdk9075]

Boban Cholich macedonia is greece

[@kdielekdndkdk9075]

Boban Cholich CYPRUS IS GREEK LIKE WTF

[@kdielekdndkdk9075]

Boban Cholich HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@kdielekdndkdk9075]

Boban Cholich cyprus is greek🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@aokiaoki4238]

It's almost 7th of March, Happy horse Easter to all the Turkicdonians !

[@franknwalters]

@Red Yellow Phalanx Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of the Slavomacedonian government, Live on Camera, Nov.2017 _"...The "(Slavo)Macedonian" State was literally _*_INVENTED_*_ during the end of the WW2 within Yugoslavia (1945, by the Yugoslav communists). In this framework for the _*_FIRST TIME in history_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_nation,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_culture,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_language,_*_ the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_history_*_ and the '(slavo)macedonian' _*_SYMBOLS, were also invented and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is _*_forbidden._*_ And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of _*_(ancient)_*_ Macedonia..."_

[@aokiaoki4238]

@Red Yellow Phalanx Hapy Horse Easter, Mongol !

[@franknwalters]

@Red Yellow Phalanx Professor Toni Deskoski, Skopje, SlavoMacedonia, ON CAMERA *February 2018,* *_"We tried to REPLACE our identity,_*_ to inject ancient Greek "DNA" (culture & history) in our society, in order to CHANGE our collective memory; the memory of a _*_Slavic_*_ nation. We tried to PRESENT and to _*_PROMOTE ourselves as_*_ an ancient Macedonian nation. _*_The ancient Macedonians were actually GREEKs._*_ It was a very crazy attempt to _*_present_*_ a Slavic nation as GREEK nation and that cause a great confusion within our State."_

[@aokiaoki4238]

@Red Yellow Phalanx 🦄🦄🦄

[@georgevyzas8526]

@The Yellow Red Phalanx This is some Skopjan minimum wage behaviour you are exhibiting. Greece's army spending is more than your country's GDP. You call Greeks poor; your country is below broke. So broke, that if you decide to ever invade us it will be with speared phalanxes. Greece could rekt you in a matter of hours, as military exerceise. Your army is that laughably insignificant.

[@geonet3965]

The name "Macedonia" comes from the combination of the ancient Greek linguistic root "mac" which in turn comes from the greek word "mecos/macros" which means "length" and the also ancient Greek word "έδος/'εδαφος" or "edos/edafos" which means "land". The reason for that combination of words (mac+edos) is the shape of the geographical area of the Greek Macedonia back in the time of Homer, who at some point in the Odyssey, mentioned a tribe of Greeks from the "long land", using the word "Macednos" to describe their origin. Thucydides, an ancient Greek historian and general, described the geographical area of Greek Macedonia as "the long land" using the word "Macedonia". And that, lads, is the Greek origin of the word "Macedonia" and is one more reason why the geographical area that currently belongs to Greece, is the one true Macedonia. Does the word "Macedonia" even HAVE origins from the language FYROM civilians speak? Does it even MEAN something in their language?

[@xristo702]

I'm no scholar but some say Macedons geographic proximity to Thrace/illyria suggests that their version of Koine was mixed with the languages of their neighbors. And are you sure that's the origin of "Makedonia"? The "dón" in Makedon may have come from the thracian word for "homeland" or the ancient greek word for earth or soil (cthon) "Maka" could also have sanskrit origins for the word "mother" just as the Phrygian language had considerable indo-european influence as well. So maybe Make-don means motherland...or maybe the greeks are right and it means "tall and slender". Don't know, and don't actually give a fuck. As for our "bullshit skopijan slav FYROM" language... lets take a closer look at some of our words, hm? Mourning = "Zhal", based on old dacian god of the underworld, Zalmoxis (Ζάλμοξις) Quick = Brzo, based on Thracian word "Bruzas" meaning same thing White = Belo, Thracian word: "Balios" Bull = Vol, Thracian word: "Bolinthos" Water = Voda, Phrygian word: "Bedu" To gather = soberi/biram, Phrygian word: Bher/ber, root word for "bearing" To give = Dava/dadi, Phrygian word: dadón Hedgehog = ezh, Phrygian: ezis, Greek: eschinos, root word for echidna rice = Oriz, Thracian: Briza, Greek: orinda/óryza mud/swamp = Khal, Thracian: Chalas home = doma, Thracian = dama, sanskrit: dhama, greek word for house: thaimós earth = Zemja, Thracian = zeml’a woman = zhena, thracian word for birth or origin: (zenis), Greek word: "gen-es", root word for "genetics" Dog = Kuche/Kune, Phrygian word = Kunes Green = Zeleno, Phrygian word for vegetation = zelkia Son = Sin, Thracian word: Cin, root word for kin I'm just some guy who's only fluent in the english language, but if if this was my field of expertise I'm sure I could go on and on....its obvious that our language is heavily mixed with proto-slavic which has ZERO connections to the area prior to 600ad....but let's not pretend our language is made up bulgarian bullshit over here. It's based on old church Slavonic: a language created by two byzantine greeks in the capitol of macedonia, for the bulgarian kingdom, and it is based on a mixture of the protoslavic languages spoken by slavic settlers and the paleobalkan languages spoken by the natives. So don't be so quick to shit all over us, we haven't been here as long as the pelasgians or trojans or acheans....but we've been here as while as well.

[@billmakalovski6540]

The root of the name Makedonia is found in the Macedonian language which modern linguists refer to as slavonic. It’s all the same. Make - means mother, don - means Holy and “ia” - means land. The land of the holy mother or the holy mother land. Just as it is written on the Rosetta Stone where the Macedonians were called children of the holy mother.. The Ancient Macedonian is the proto Slavic that all so called Slavic languages originate from. It’s as simple as that

[@randomdudeV2]

the classic wikipedia historian...

[@hellenicbass1344]

What are you guys even talking about. Macedonia means long land, simply because Macedonians and northern Greeks were generally taller than the southerners! The ancient Macedonian language is a Greek dialect as seen by the Pella Tablet which is written ancient Macedonian. Slavic arrived 2.000 years later.... Macedonia is an archaic place since at least the indoeuropean migrations... Dont play with words.

[@hellenicbass1344]

xristo702 The language spoken today in fyrom is a mixed SlavicGreekAlbanian dialect . Albanian and Greek language both are paleobalkanic and related to Thracian. Slavic is related to Baltic and not Thracian.

[@belstar1128]

The comment wars caused by this country are hilarious

[@0Niccc]

betarage at least that's one thing my country is good at :')

[@de132]

NickTEG TheEmeraldGamer Not true! You exist, and you're great :')

[@belstar1128]

@Game james @worldsbestskiinstructor FIGHT!

[@octapusxft]

@betarage It is a subjects that attracts nationalists and/or trolls like rotten meat attracts flies.

[@fotiskepelis1]

Fotis Kepelis Fotis Kepelis 7 minutes ago (edited) DNA taken from teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating 2900 B.C.E TO 1700 B.C.E. , four from Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E. and five people from other early farming bronze age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece showed that by comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across the genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 300 modern Greeks the researches were able to plot how modern Greeks and ancient Greeks have a continuity through the centuries which exceeds 90% of the population in modern Greece. When researches compared DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans they found that modern Greeks share the similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans. The fact that certain archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian turns out to be false. The continuity between Mycenaeans and modern Greeks is "particularly striking". Was the result of studies conducted by : University of Washington, Seattle - University of Cambridge, United Kingdom - University of Gothenburg, Sweden - Harvard University, Massachusetts. As you can see troll there are no Greek Universities in this study. In other words its an unbiased international study. So get your head out of you ass, read some international literature on the subject and forget the bullshit propaganda you have been spoon-fed by your idiotic governments.

[@Comelyman2]

i see some of these comments and i lose faith in humanity

[@dvopek11]

Eternal 98 same dude same

[@jmasters7515]

It’s bad enough that these things happened in the balkans, never mind the fact that people who aren’t connected to the situation in any way argue about and try to justify these events on the internet 20 years later

[@ph9692]

@@jmasters7515 U DONT NEED TO JUSTIFY NOTHING..HISTORIANS KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE GREEK ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDINGS ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD..ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS GREEK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND EVERYONE LEARNS THAT IN SCHOOL .ALBANIANS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKEDONIA..AND NOTHING TO CLAIM FOR .AND THE MASONS THAT RULE US GAVE THEM THE NAME FOR POLITICAL REASONS ONLY....!!! .THATS A FACT!!

[@Lion-rs2qy]

@@ph9692 I'm with you , and I just can't help myself , but very recent , Archeologists and historians just made a huge breakthrough and Discovery that concerns where the Etruscans came from , for they already new what land they Occupied which was between central and south of Italy. The discovery came with a successful DNA Test showing that the Etruscans have a very close relative with DNA a perfect Match With the Turks . They showed Three languages, Etruscan Albanian English The Etruscan and Albanian languages were pretty much A match word for word and a lot of Letters and words exactly the Same . The CROATION LANGUAGE Is identical to Albanian. And there you have it

[@ph9692]

@@Lion-rs2qy we all know the truth my friend..they know it too they just dont want to admit it..and the propaganda is huge in their country...we dont need the propaganda. We know our histoty its written all over europe to asia..i dont know what name are they claming for..we didnt even know what albanian meant until they came to greece and started to destroy everything..!!hopefully other countries will find out soon what they are all about..before its too late..😉🌹

[@panagiotispagonis6856]

It's not a word order... Upper Republic of Macedonia implies that there is a bond to the Macedonian Kingdom and also could imply that Upper Republic of Macedonia lacks it's other half. Republic of Upper Macedonia cuts off any ties to the ancient macedonian kingdom AND describes the country by the region it holds. Those words are carefully placed where they are. If all North Macedonia cared about was it's name, it's government wouldn't have erected statues of Alexander the Great and all those other things. Luckily they have a more reasonable government now, still not very trustworthy, given the fact that there are many parts of the deal that still remain only on paper

[@YY-wc8nd]

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.

[@hellothere8121]

Also "Macedonia" (the greek Region) implies that there is a bond to the Makedon Kingdom... there are always two sides in a conflict.

[@panagiotispagonis6856]

@@hellothere8121 well it doesn't imply... It straight up claim its connection to Macedonian Kingdom. The fact that the Macedonian Kingdom is ancient Greek history is not seriously debated anymore, it was not debated even in Roman times. That topic is debated the same way some people debate over earth being flat or not. So there is no actual other side on the matter. I do understand that sometimes countries cling to parts of history in order to justify their existence and survive. It's something that all countries do to a certain degree. I personally have no hard feelings on people who want to believe that they decent from Alexander the Great. I have a serious problem when they claim that he is called Alexandar and that his name means dream of a warm day and such bullshit. Alterting history is a crime in my eyes. So to conclude, if there is a country that feels Macedonian is fine by me. They have to accept though that they claim to be descendants of greeks. Could they be a mix of greek slavs etc? Of course! We all are. But if they claim that they are Macedonians they claim they are greek and they should move towards changing back to their roots. If not, they should find another historical part to cling to. But wanting both is stupid offensive and dangerous. That is my personal view on the matter.

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@hellothere8121 ~ ~ fly ~ ~ fly in rocks.

[@jnliewmichael4235]

Everytime I hear this dispute, I'm reminded that the USA has a ton of states, districts, cities and do on that are names of other places in europe......

[@anthonyverde1522]

Jn liew cause Eastern Europe is petty as fuck.

[@HoennMaster]

A lot of them were named by European countries though. Not all...but a lot.

[@mkd2839]

Yes, but unlike this situation, Birmingham, Alabama don't claim itself to be the real Birmingham, England

[@killercaos123]

The US is a country founded on immigrants from other nations. It's just the way it is.

[@Okami1313]

I wonder if Greece has a problem with the name of Macedon New York?

[@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse]

In ancient times southern Italy which was colonised by Greeks went by the name of MAGNA GRAECIA (Great Greece).

[@SilentHillk]

@Jd Pv no iq in your brain.

[@ΚωσταςΣκοτεινιωτη]

@Jd Pv about your profile pic Thessaloniki and Chalkidiki will always be ours.You can't conquer someone with 1 helicopter that you've got in your army P.S..now there is now tsipras to save you

[@7ultras157]

@Jd Pv Macedonia is and will always be GREEK

[@jodii.6]

@Jd Pv if you believe that greece existed since 1830 just because it was our date of independence,then you're brainless. What were the Byzantines? Athenes? Spartans? Macedonian themselves? You say that a whole 7,000 years of history is fake? From the Cycladic civilization from ~3,000 B.C. to Mycenaeans and so on. It has been proven that they were greek tribes with simmilar cultures. Also, Macedonia is also a greek word for "The land of the tall people". Μακε- ,which means length and -δων,land or earth. Μακε is simmilar to today's word, Μήκος,as said before,it means length. -δων is simmilar to Έδαφος, ground,earth,land. How can you explain these ones? Ps. I want you to answer me some simple question,in which script did they wrote in?

[@ontherun9979]

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА I have a question. Are you saying that all these words are of slavic-macedonian etymology?

[@jack35710]

Being from Croatia myself, I congratulate you WonderWhy for accurately presenting this issue, as well as breakup of Yugoslavia. Good job!

[@grinchspoiler1039]

Alexander the Great was Greek and Tsar Samuel was Bulgarian.

[@vmro9446]

That makes me believe they were Macedonians even more 😃

[@janeza382]

And you are vulgar Roman .

[@LordByron1821]

​@@vmro9446 A yugo commie has no credibility and no self respect! The main reason why they dismantled the Former Yugoslavia!

[@TahoeMacedon]

and you mom did suck it easy

[@randomnessrules4971]

How about "That Little Round Country North Of Greece"?

[@yagacomicart]

Συμεών 1926ΠΑΟΚGATE4 👍

[@nightknight2032]

Greece has no objection, unless containing "Macedonia"

[@bosnianseparatist1174]

More like Western Bulgaria

[@beamer-ma4138]

How about for greece "the Republic of Macedonian turks and albanian " ????

[@coasterexpert7501]

How about naming the country "Yugoslavia" which means The Land of the Slavs of the south, it world work.

[@NaumRusomarov]

You must have balls of steel. Most people won't touch this even with a 10 feet barge pole. Kudos to you.

[@adamsolomon8346]

BALLLS OF STEEEEEEL!!

[@BorisKalejcev]

Noting new from people of the FORMER OTTOMAN REPUBLIC OF GERMANY ...

[@Sean-no3zv]

Naum Rusomarov why? cause some Slavic peasants from some backwater wanna claim a history they have no logical right to? hmm, weird

[@jerie00]

@@Sean-no3zv what is weird is that the ancient Greeks called the Macedonians foreigners and yet modern day Greeks think they are the same nationality. The Greeks hated the Persians, but could never conquer them. Alexander conquered and respected the Persians, he conquered the Greeks and realised that the Persians were a greater race by far. Alexander didn't like the Greeks, which is why he married wives from Persian royalty. He would never lower himself and marry a lowly Greek

[@josh-ch9sm]

Bear Bomber France is Bacon

[@ЗонораСлатният]

the ''Vardar Republic'' - ' sounds good to me .

[@gioagg6201]

sounds badass actually!

[@hristoaleksovski9414]

gio agg don’t think a country is going to use a name that’s been used as an insult by others

[@hristoaleksovski9414]

K Van who ?

[@st3fan735]

You are Bulgarian not Macedonian

[@hristoaleksovski9414]

@@st3fan735 awsome! Ahahaha

[@wardafournello]

A Slavo-Bulgarian people for their new state uses as a flag an ancient Greek symbol of the Argeide Greek dynasty and as a name an ancient Greek name already used in a northern Greek province. Are we serious?

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

MAKEDONIJA IN SOUTH EVROPA. you in.... ( ( ( .

[@MrAlienDNA]

Imagine the wester part of Afghanistan becomes independent and then call itself Persia, with schools and stadium and squares called Darius the Great etc... how would Iran feel about it? Isn't that stealing an identity of another country and culture? Even tho Afghanistan used to be part of Persian Empire. Im with Greece on this one.

[@1GTX1]

What about Egypt

[@boptillyouflop]

Don't care. The name of "FYROM" is already settled in English. Everybody calls it "Macedonia". Nobody cares about the history, that people in Macedonia are essentially South-Eastern Serbo-Croats, we just need a name for the piece of land that English speakers agree on, no matter how much Greeks flip out over it. Yes it's cultural appropriation. We don't care.

[@VALDIGNE]

with the only difference that Western Afghanistan still speaks Persian language and cheerishes their heritage while Slavs from Fyrom hate Greek communities , changed their names and erased their culture.

[@dimg75]

Ancient Macedonia was considered as Greece

[@janeza382]

Ancient Macedonia existed but there was no such thing named as Greece in the ancient

[@maberti]

Very good video man, I'm from one of these two countries and I can say your video was accurate and fair. Especially impressive considering how sensitive the issue and language used can be, well done. I felt the end is maybe ever so slightly unbalanced in favour of North Macedonia but you did a better job than 99% of professional journalists that have covered this issue. Well done !

[@rafaelmelo2576]

Why not call the Vardar Republic instead of FYROM?

[@mattvl6023]

thats something every reasonable person should ask , they can use the name they had before WW2.

[@boptillyouflop]

Because nobody uses "Vardar Republic" or "FYROM", everybody just calls it "Macedonia".

[@franknwalters]

worldsbestskiinstructor Liupco Georgievski, FYROM's former Prime Minister, Live on camera (Al Jazeera), Dec.2015 _"...We here [in my country] we are _*_champions in the forgerying of History._*_ We don't just _*_forger_*_ the last _*_25_*_ years of our History; we've gone this far as to _*_forger_*_ the _*_entire_*_ history of the [ancient] Macedonians. _*_We know_*_ that we are Slavs and our language is Slavic. Today if you look at our _*_new history_*_ and open a book in the first grade, you will see that it writes that we have _*_nothing_*_ to do with the Slavs anymore. We don't belong to any group of people, we are unique. _*_Our language_*_ is also not Slavic, although we understand each other [with the other Slavs] perfectly. I call this History of ours a _*_funny History_*_ .."_

[@bobbymkd457]

Of course Vardarska Makedonia as our part was always called!

[@ΓιάννηςΜιχαηλίδης-δ3β]

because there is no prestige in that..

[@nikolaos8018]

Another name that could be really accurate is "Really far India"

[@GiannisRigas]

Or even better Venice 2

[@OkThisllbeMyName]

Well this is like how the Holy Roman Empire isn’t Roman but they still call themselves Roman

[@namingisdifficult408]

OkThisllbeMyName because they viewed themselves as the successors of the Romans. This is also where the titles of Kaiser and Tsar/Czar came from, that being the word Caesar

[@SantomPh]

This is slightly complicated. The Pope crowns Charlemagne as King of the Romans after he saves Rome from attack. He is considered the frst king although not the first of the main line of Emperors. Later, another bloke called Otto also saves Rome and is again crowned King of the Romans. Despite having no real links to Rome or Italy he is called the Emperor and the title Holy is added as the Pope crowned him. He decides to expand northwards and include all the (mostly) German-speaking princedoms and kingdoms as one big sucessor kingdom to the old Roman Empire (the Byzantines were of course not very happy). While the definition Holy Roman Empire was correct, it lost.effect when Germans began changing to Lutheranism and made ruling very difficult since the HRE was to be Catholic.

[@jayfawn8478]

hmmm that's why there are Romanians

[@mr.dr.genius2169]

OkThisllbeMyName It also wasn't very holy.

[@MIGBMWLOVER]

OkThisllbeMyName there no such thing as a yoslavic minority in Greece! Dear wonderwhy you say that NATO guarantee the Greek border please research first the 90s dispute of imia isles and you will see that the Balkans are not your typical allies

[@dinospapa7413]

The country's name doesn't "imply" territorial disputes. Their fucking constitution does!

[@derekkaradimos3044]

Moron, did you even expand my reply ? Here is it again. I cover the 2 amendments but your preamble has not been touched! There are two points of concern: In the FYROM preamble, they define the FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule (remember Tito, he is the Croatian Godfather Communist that invented your fake state FYROM). Their (FYROM) language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. No lies on my end, how about you apologise now?

[@derekkaradimos3044]

I can see you don't know much at all. You're childish remarks are water off a ducks back. If you can't understand the technical political language that makes up a State constitution there's not much I can do about it. I mean after all, 90% of FYROM have never heard of Google so it makes sense you don't understand the irredentist claims written in the Preamble of your very own constitution. Using foul language doesn't make your argument stronger, on the contrary you yourself come across as the emotionally unstable wreck. :)

[@hellothere8121]

did*

[@hellothere8121]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos You are wasting your time bro. Really, go out and do something useful

[@Cyime]

I know cultural appropriation is a bit of meme but this actually feels like it’s a appropriate description of the FYRM claiming people like Alexander the Great which are without doubt Greek

[@franknwalters]

worldsbestskiinstructor Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_

[@TT-sr4mu]

@worldsbestskiinstructor That's a nice propaganda youtube channel with nice video series full of propaganda lies, and arguments based on information taken out of context. That channel does not even allow commentary to let people counter argue those fake claims. There is no historian in this world backing up FYROM's claims about their lies. "FYROM" is distorting history.

[@Cyime]

worldsbestskiinstructor imagine being such a irrelevant group of people that you that you have to steal another group of people’s culture this is basically “we wuz kangs” Slav Edition.

[@janeza382]

Same can be applied to modern Greeks who claim ancient Hellenic world for them self

[@katPin-b6b]

@janeza382 uhm... Modern Greeks claim ancient greek history as theirs because it is... And yes it is proven that they're descendants of the ancient Greeks...

[@svenhendriksson2906]

We in Sweden are learning in schools that the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks

[@idkwhattonamethis4417]

Well in some other countries the teachers are so lazy to say that macedonia is not greece

[@TheYoutubaki]

@@idkwhattonamethis4417 depends on what you mean by "macedonia". Geographically, it's a region. Historically, it was a *Greek* empire.

[@AlexMkd1984]

@@TheYoutubaki macedonia is country region dont exist falae hellas propaganda

[@AlexMkd1984]

@@leah.g greek never existed hellenic become fake greek made by united Kingdom 😂

[@AlexMkd1984]

@@TheYoutubaki grrek empire never existed 😂 you belive in false lies 😂

[@ianvalderrama1107]

Welp, I guess I'll see you in 2 months.

[@zomzcheezy8958]

John A. Zoidberg *Years

[@jamescusack6511]

John A. Zoidberg more like 2 years hehehe

[@blue_manatee3895]

OMG A VIDEO! now i have to wait another season...

[@Robert_St-Preux]

I can totally understand why someone from the Republic might be attached to the name, but for them to imagine they are the Macedonians of ancient history and expect the actual Macedonians to go along with it is, to me, as absurd as Mormon missionaries trying to convince native Americans they are the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

[@dollar1889]

Agreed. It's revisionist, expansionist nonsense.

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564: “[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct *from other South Slavic* peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, *introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito,* upon *the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946.* Prior to this, the area generally known as *Vardarska banovina* (_the district of the Vardar river_) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore *have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece,* the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.”

[@goforit7774]

Slavic language arrived in the 6th century AD. Obviously Macedonians are partly descendants of Ancient Macedonians just like Greeks and many other people in the world are.

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

No, they are not! FYROMians are Slavs and they cluster together with the Bulgarians and are close to Serbs and Croats. (Journal of Human Genetics 52, 2007, "Y-STR variation among Slavs: evidence for the Slavic homeland in the middle Dnieper basin", Krzysztof Rębała, Alexei I. Mikulich, Iosif S. Tsybovsky, Daniela Siváková, Zuzana Džupinková, Aneta Szczerkowska-Dobosz, Zofia Szczerkowska, www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v52/n5/pdf/jhg200754a.pdf )

[@franknwalters]

FROM MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIA Prof. Miroslav Grcev, Member of the FYRMacedonian government, Live on Camera, Nov.2017 _"...The "Macedonian" State was _*_literally invented_*_ during the end of the WW2 (1945) within Yugoslavia. In this framework _*_for the first time in history_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_nation,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_culture,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_language,_*_ the 'macedonian' _*_history_*_ and the 'macedonian' symbols _*_were also invented and emancipated._*_ Today this (historical truth) is forbidden. And nowadays, on almost a national level as a society, we are in a very backwards and horrible process of self-annihilation, placing ourselves in the prenatal period of Macedonia..."_

[@Peterkonto]

It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the bulgarians

[@daytripper6690]

It should be noted that there is no connection between the Ancient Greeks and Modern Greeks, who are forcibly assimilated (greekized): Arvanites (Albanians), Aromanians (Vlachs), Slavs, Turks and others. The german thinker Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer (1790 - 1861) wrote a lot about this stuff. There's nothing ancient about today's Greece (formed in 1822) and there's a huge historical gap between her and the Ancient Greeks, a gap that was filled by other ethnic groups.

[@Peterkonto]

Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation that true indigenous londoners no longer exist on behalf of mass immigration. So there must be some truth in it...I should also state that Greece was unfortunately flooded with slavic and Albanian aliens not indigenous to the Hellenic state therefore you were rightlyfully either assimilated into the Greek state or sent back where you naturally belong ..Also Jacob Fallmerayer propaganda theories where debunked and has no substance in truth whatsoever.. Be proud of your Serbian Bulgarian roots and stop pretending you belong to ancient Greek history .Today's modern Greeks can read and understand what the ancient left Greeks behind them in history in antiquity and western schools teach Latin and Greek not slavic or Albanian so take a hike your embarrassing yourself ex communist brainwashed chimpanzees..

[@daytripper6690]

@@Peterkonto, your Karamanlides grandfathers from the caves of Cappadocia were recent migrants to Macedonia (in 1923), not the Slavs who lived there for millenia and a half, long before Greece conquered that land in 1912-13. Your analogy between those Slavs and the recent migrants in London is a nonsense. The Slavs didn't arrive there yesterday and they didn't arrive in Greece, which didn't exist back then (it was formed in 1822). These Slavs settled in Macedonia, they gave birth to new generations on that land, they ate vegetables and drank water from it and finally they were buried in it. They even absorbed some pre-Slavic genes and left an indelible mark on the region. Perhaps they were not directly linked to the ancient Macedonians, but in a way they became Macedonian. And they're much more Macedonian than the turkosporos that arrived there in 1923.

[@Peterkonto]

@Day Tripper Greeks have been living in what is now Turkey continuously since the middle 2nd millennium BC. Following upheavals in mainland Greece during the Bronze Age Collapse, the Aegean coast of Asia Minor was heavily settled by Ionian and Aeolian Greeks and became known as Ionia and Aeolia ,also two of the wonders of the ancient world were built by the ancient Greeks in today's Turkey.. It's also time for the Slavic North Macedonians to come to the realization that their deception of Macedonian history has been thwarted and laid to rest. Time to move on from your misleading propaganda! You are the laughingstock of the entire world. Take a good look at yourselves in the mirror, for no one else in the entire world shares your warped interpretation of world history. You doing your image a disservice and achieving nothing other than ridicule.The Slavic-speaking population in the region of Macedonia had been referred to both (by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how you were predominantly seen since 10th,up until the early 20th century. According to Encyclopædia Britannica, Tito is no longer with , you can now stop this charade. No one is listening to your nonsense ..The North slavic Macedonian language is a Slavic language basically in between Serbian and Bulgarian which was codified away from the Bulgarian language and became a official language in 1932..

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

Bit like the British in that sense, the issue of tribal nationalism or civic nationalism

[@usernamesample8386]

Macedonians are a Hellenic people group according to the Australian educational system in NSW

[@MojoBonzo]

ofc they dont... we just speak greek because it was sooooo soooo useful to speak greek during the ottoman period... it opened so many doors... you can see how much the turks respected the greek culture in anatolia, from the millions of greeks that still live there for more than 3 milleniums right now... oh wait...

[@stasko21]

Hail Giratina The true god then do you think that these Slavs are actually the ancestors of Alexander the great???

[@gv8840]

and what australia know on the matter stupid

[@ph9692]

@@stasko21 NO WAY!!!

[@ph9692]

@J M FIRST OF ALL U DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE ENGLISH GO BACK TO UR MONKEYDONIAN SCHOOL TO START ALLOVER AGAIN..IGNORANT IDIOT!!!

[@voidzy7]

This wouldn't be a problem if Yugoslavia was still around

[@fnostalgiaanostalgia4766]

živela Jugoslavija!

[@ash._.eyy1324]

yeap

[@jovantanev2383]

Hahahha

[@deadset15-hrvavik17]

Voidzy the greeks where terrified of Yugoslavia

[@tekmogm5979]

Yugoslavia never dissapeared, it just reduce to Serbia republic.

[@chrisza7938]

Since when is it ok to hi-jack someone else's identity and history in order to identify oneself? Everybody involved in this dispute knows very well that it is NOT JUST ABOUT THE NAME! The dispute is mainly about FYROM's identity its role in the region by using that identity, and it is mainly a geopolitical problem for the region in general but is never discussed as such out in the open . I would like to remind the narrator that Turkey is also a member of NATO along with Greece but that doesn't seem to stop that country from their ongoing aggression towards Greece. I agree that the world is a very complicated place and we should be very well informed before drawing conclusions about such matters.

[@Корки-я8з]

Look, im not trying to be rude but i am just trying to be logical, so first of all, about the name...The territory that we live in, is a part of the big region Macedonia, and since we live here for many years, we cant call our country, lets say Indonesia, because North Macedonia is where we live in, and i suggest that the best and the most logical name for our country is North Slavic Macedonia, or just Slavic Macedonia, they are the most logical ones based on the territory and the people that live there,Republic Of Vardarska is not bad, but its a very big change.And about Alexander, you are right, we have nothing to do with him, slavic people came in these areas many years after his existance...And for all greek people saying we are greek or bulgarian,no we are not, we came from the slavic tribes that came into this north of macedonia and south macedonia, such as Bersitians,Strumians,Velegesits, Rhinhinians and many more, today a big part of people who live in South Macedonia have slavic origins, they just dont know that

[@quan-uo5ws]

or just reunite macedonia with Bulgaria. Boom, naming controversy solved, and macedonians wont have to make up a fake history.

[@Корки-я8з]

@@quan-uo5ws Yeah sure, a typical comment that an angry person with no argument would type...

[@quan-uo5ws]

@@Корки-я8з yes im very angry i almost destroyed my keyboard writing this

[@Корки-я8з]

@@quan-uo5ws Maybe you are not, but you are dumb, that s for sure!

[@Корки-я8з]

@@nightowlmuse729 Ironically enough im not even 18, and most people that argue with greeks are 40+...

[@Fash0da]

When you’re about to go to bed but WonderWhy posts a video.

[@namingisdifficult408]

Tawny Prince yep. Then you drop everything and watch.

[@mr.dr.genius2169]

Tawny Prince I woke up a few minutes ago.

[@GeorgeMasterclass]

A question to our Slavic "Macedonian" neighbors. When you visit the Macedonian ancient ruins in your country... can you read the inscriptions? Why can't you, while i'm Greek and I can?

[@fartmanmk]

@ George Bethanis.I am sorry but that is a load of nonsense .Do you know in what language wrote the great Homer or even Plato?Well if you do your homework you will find out its not so clear and simple as one would suppose so.It is actually a very interesting topic and I kindly recommend to do some research on that.

[@ph9692]

@@fartmanmk DO U KNOW IN WHAT LANGUAGE HOMER WROTE..BECAUSE THEY STILL TEACH HOMER IN GREEK SCHOOLS..NOT IN FAKE MONKEYDONIA!!

[@GeorgeMasterclass]

@@fartmanmk Well... we do ancient Greek for years in Greek public school, junior high and high school. We all read the ancient Greek texts of Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle, Homer especially and many more. We all read and understand ancient Greek. Can you? No of course, because you speak Bulgarian.

[@TheYoutubaki]

@@fartmanmk Most Greeks can. Ancient Greek and Modern Greek aren't that far off. Even if the meanings of some words have changed, some words have been preserved LETTER FOR LETTER, and therefore can be read by a modern day Greek person. Not to mention that Ancient Greek is regularly taught in Greek schools.

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@ph9692 MONKEYDONIA ? ? guska @.

[@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse]

Alexander the Great: *_"Macedonia is my Kingdom, Greece is my country"_*

[@athanasiosbairlis5563]

MobyDick: I am Macedonian from Pella and tour-guide in Greece. look: www.tourtripgreece.gr Philip conquer the southern Greek city-states at 338 BC (battle of Heroneia). NOT all Greece as it is today. Philip and Alexander have UNIFIED (forced to stop the civil-wars) most of the Greek city-states and formed the first time in history :"GREECE" (as one country). The Spartans did not participate, because they wanted for their-selfs the "hegemony". Please do not offend linguistick ("f@cking" etc). Keep cool. THANK YOU.

[@georgios_5342]

@m0bydick nope. Macedonians united the Greeks.

[@makedoncerr]

@@athanasiosbairlis5563 Malakas grekos hahahaa

[@athanasiosbairlis5563]

Robert Ristoski: When you have not any based in historic evidence to justify the existance of the FYROM abd you want the name that Josip Tito "baptized" you...you begin to swear trying to irritate anyone who is tellig you the truth about your origin. Yes you are a mixture of Slav-Bulgar, Albanians, Gypsie-Roma, Turcs etc. How can you be "Macedonian" ??\ You HATE YOUR ORIGIN AND FEEL ASHAME ABOUT IT. ..seeking desperate other "identity."..."Bulgardonia" is OK ! (maximal...he)

[@makedoncerr]

@@athanasiosbairlis5563 your name Atanas Baraloski you're change your name 1870 so you can hide your Ethiopian dna !!!!

[@Peterkonto]

Kiro Gligorov, the first leader of Macedonia after independence, who said that Macedonians are Slavs who arrived in the Balkans in the 6th century, seems to prevail. This is what was taught in school textbooks, which hardly contained any reference to Alexander the Great and were conditioned by Yugoslavia’s ideology. “We do not need to claim a pure Macedonian identity: Gruevski tried to falsify our past. Macedonian is a Slavic language. We understand each other with Russians and Ukrainians. We grew up with books that taught us that we are southern Slavs, which is what ‘Yugoslavia’ means,” says Katerina Kolozova, director of the Institute of Social Sciences and Humanities in Skopje.

[@AlexMkd1984]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos false hellenic become greek made by united Kingdom 😂

[@AlexMkd1984]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos macedonian language exists today you are fake greek even dont exists you are hellenic aka united Kingdom false country

[@AlexMkd1984]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos You are based on fake history you are fake made by united Kingdom

[@AlexMkd1984]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos your fake propaganda 😂 your flag was made by united Kingdom 😂 your king otto from Germany 😂 greek are fake hellenic become greek kow eant to be macedonian😂 your shitty history fake zeus 😂

[@AlexMkd1984]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos choose one hellenic greek? you csnt be both you are cheap hellas fake country 😂

[@dagonGate7]

Ancient, Alexander's, Macedonia was really large almost the hole known world(Persia, Egypt,Asia Minor etc till India!!)..His name was Alexander/Αλέξανδρος(Αλέξανδρος=αλέξω+ανδρας=save and protect+man), father's name was Filipos/Φίλιππος in Greek(Φίλιππος= φιλος+ίππος=friend+horse), mother's name was at first Polyxena/Πολυξένη(Πολυξενη=πολύς+ξένος=friend from hospitality) Olympiada/Ολυμπιάδα because of Filipos won at Olympics!Only Greeks could participate at Olympics!Alexander's teacher was the philosopher Aristotle/Αριστοτέλης(Αριστοτέλης=αριστος+τελος=excellent+objective)..Alexander spoke and wrote with latin alphabet because he was Greek not with slave/cyrillic like Skopians. Alexander's religion was Greek polytheism.His war dog name(Greek molossus of Epirus) was Perittas/Περίττας(Περίττας=περιττός=unnecessary) and he gave him this name because he was born the month January that Greeks back then call this month (περιττό=) unnecessary.

[@g3org3yo7]

First of all we are not Greeks if you try to find anything at ancient times about that calling it will be by romans never by the hellenes , Greeks is what the Romans called the tribe that they first saw and called all of them by that and the asians saw the Ionians so they called us Yunans... Hellenic Tribes where many with different names... the people that you call Greece and Greeks are Hellenes , the country is called Hellenic Republic or "Hellas". This might help you to find anything written at the ancient times about "Panhellenism" and "Hegemon" as an idea for the ancient Hellenic world that Alexander the Great became after he Unite them all.

[@feelincutemightcommitwarcr5432]

@m0bydick what does an american know about Greek history?

[@7blatlox222]

Why would alexander claim he was slav or write in slavic when slavs didnt inhabit that teritory since 8 centuries after him??the ancient macedonians where barbarians,helenic city states didnt invite them to the olympics because they didnt consider them as greeks.oh you ask why they spoke greek language had greek culture,well see the ancient macedonian language didnt have an alphabet,their culture was basicly non existant,so in order to go forward macedonian kings like Archelay decided to bring in greek sculptors and adopt the greek language in order to have a seemingly more advaced cultural nation.Oh and do you call someone a friend of the greeks,if he is a greek?Because helenic ppl caled Alexander the first a friend of the helens,or phylhelen.It seems weird that you would call someone of your own a freiend of your country right?It's like saying Obama friend of the united states lol.

[@g3org3yo7]

@@7blatlox222 dude go again to school, Macedonians where participating in the Olympic games and only Hellenes where allloud to.

[@The-Endungeoned]

7blatlox now it's time for you to start wondering: 'why have I been taught all these historical nonsense?'

[@cognitiveatlas6220]

From an outsider's perspective, both Northern Macedonia and Greece are being very petty on this silly issue. At the same time, this whole spat of national narratives makes this issue so important to Greeks and Macedonians. National myth and identity of a people are far more powerful than weapons of war or vast riches. Northern Macedonia has very little history or unique identity that can separate it from its Slavic neighbors. That's why it wants to own the title of Macedonia as it gives their people an identity, to have something to unite around, and as a tool to build a nation, regardless of historical or cultural connection. To be honest, I think I would side with Greece on this. The Republic of Northern Macedonia is a more accurate description of the country. The Vardar Republic sounds hella badass (probably my favorite name). In my opinion, stealing other people's culture doesn't show how great your people are. It only shows how weak your culture is. I have no idea how anyone could be proud of that.

[@X02switchblades]

Identity theft is even a crime dude This is identity theft on a massive scale. These guys are so brainwashed as north Koreans. I sympathize with their dire situation but I'm not going to give up my rights for a fairytale

[@filipjankoski421]

Cognitive Atlas kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZfOfXuji7h3jrM

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Jonathan M. Hall, “Classical Archaeology and the Ancient Historian”, University of Chicago Press, 2014, p.103-104: “All *new nations* have an urgent need to equip themselves with national histories and it was not long before *Slavic 'Macedonia'* was constructing distinct *myths* of collective origin and *claims* of descent from Alexander the Great. The fact that their language identified them as the descendants of *Slavic* speakers who first entered the Balkans about *a millennium after the death of Alexander* was obviously an obstacle but could largely be side stepped by arguing that the *Slavic immigrants* had merely imprinted their language on an ancient Macedonian people, from whom the modern [FYRO]Macedonians claimed an ethnic continuity. That claim, however, required the FYROMacedonians to *deny that their ancient namesakes had any ethnic affiliation with the Greeks.* […] The claim on the part of the *Slavic Republic* to the name Macedonia and to its inhabitants' descent from the ancient Macedonians represented, at best, *a theft of national property, heritage, and identity,* and, at worst, *a thinly veiled irredentist aspiration to the territory the Slavs termed 'Aegean Macedonia'. [Macedonia proper, Greece]”*

[@dansie8320]

Cognitive Atlas poor u ...u know nothing u jz had a chance to learn n read from Greek propaganda ..

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

*"Apparently these radical Slavic factions [FYROMians] decided to live with their myths and lies for the constant amusement of the rest of the world!"* (T.J. Winnifrith, British academic, "Shattered Eagles, Balkan Fragments", Duckworth, 1995)

[@Martin-gd7vy]

The most fair and balanced take on the issue, looking at both sides and keeping a neutral attitude. 10/10

[@labrex8761]

It's kinda hard to keep a neutral attitude when you are in the middle of all of this. just saying

[@undertaker343]

Keeping a neutral attitude isnt always correct or historicly accurate... Unless u think Hitler killing jews or WW2 can be taken as "Neutral attitude" while explaing it. Fyrom has zero rights whatsoever to anything related to Macedonia. Macedonia ,Alexander the Great is 100% Hellinic origins and had nothing to do with Slavic tribes that speak a bulgarian dialekt today .

[@FishwicksREAL]

there is a clear correct side. the answer: not the side that's taking greece's history

[@Martin-gd7vy]

To that I'd say you just don't have all the facts. Macedonian is clearly distinct from Bulgarian. Saying they're the same language is like saying Dutch and German are the same. Macedonians are Slavs but they have a genetic ancestry rooted in the ancient Macedonians, just not to a high degree. The native people on the Balkans didn't just disappear when the Slavs came. They mixed with them and Slavs just dominated. Greeks are also mixed with Slavs, just not as much. It's easy to just say things and repeat what you hear, but if you look at the facts yourself you'll find a different story to what you perpetuate.

[@gabrielrockman]

@@Martin-gd7vy Macedonian culture is distinct from Bulgarian culture in the same way that Austrian culture is distinct from German culture. When Nazi Germany invaded and occupied Austria, they were seen by most of the Austrians as liberators that shared the same culture. When the Nazi backed Bulgarians invaded Thrace and Macedonia a couple of years later, the Slavs living in what is called "North Macedonia" today welcomed them the same way that the Austrians welcomed the Nazis. They saw the Bulgarians as liberators that shared the same culture as them. They did not see themselves as sharing a culture with Serbia or with Greece. They saw themselves as sharing a cultural heritage with Bulgaria. And they were indeed correct. But now these Western Bulgarians are trying to rewrite history, and claim that they actually share a cultural heritage with Macedonians, despite reacting in a very different way to the Bulgarian occupation of Thrace and Macedonia than the way the actual Macedonians did.

[@verginasunimathiamacedonia4466]

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992

[@Swift-mr5zi]

Modern day Greeks aren't genetically related to ancient Greeks

[@xgkotkot42]

@@Swift-mr5zi Scientists disagree.

[@dimk735]

@@Swift-mr5zi www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals#:~:text=The%20Greeks%20really%20do%20have%20near%2Dmythical%20origins%2C%20ancient%20DNA%20reveals,-By%20Ann%20Gibbons&text=Ever%20since%20the%20days%20of,favor%20with%20the%20Greek%20gods.

[@Sonasic]

well in words yeah my friend.But what is this huge monument in Skopje?You are not descendants but Alexander the great's monument is highy and mighty in your capital even though you have 0 relation with him historically speaking and even if you consider everything else (his family,he spoke greek everything was greek around alexander) even his name in greek means "the one who repels men (repels the enemies) " . Αλέξανδρος = ανήρ+ απομακρύνω .

[@idkwhattonamethis4417]

Wait,the first president of macedonia is Nikola Karev,not Kiro gligorov,Kiro gligorov is the second macedonian president

[@BulagBanditMedia]

How to start a flame war 101.

[@namingisdifficult408]

jasun calimag Or 100.

[@killercaos123]

Kosovo should and always will be a independent nation. Whoops. lol

[@v.sandrone4268]

Rubbish, this is 201. 101 (for beginners) is Israel v Palestine or Apple v Android or Musk v the world.

[@Marylandbrony]

And a very silly one a that.

[@igamingmp1526]

killercaos123 KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!! U WANNA FIGHT!! 1V1 ME ROBLOX!!

[@Synystr7]

0:07 To be fair... That is BARELY where ancient macedon was. It's literally brushing the Northern border of where people usually draw Macedon. Macedon was centred around the city of Pella before Philip's expansion. Pella is down in that bay by the three "fingers".

[@Bardim18]

The bay by the three fingers you refer to is called Halkidiki by the way. The bay itself is actually the Thermaikos Gulf and Thessaloniki is on the gulf, not Pella. Pella is actually somewhat northern of Thessaloniki.

[@Synystr7]

Yea... so like 50km from the peninsula with the fingers...

[@Bardim18]

Synystr7 Pretty much

[@zeno3068]

I think i can say that balkan region is the most problematic region in the world

[@ShAd0wSh0ckEr]

It's something but most problematic? Nah, man.

[@КамелијаНиколова]

Its even worse that thst

[@Sp1llmyguts]

Agreed

[@ash._.eyy1324]

@@ShAd0wSh0ckEr well actually it is most problematic. There are a lot of problems so if you don't live there you wouldn't know. Actually i live there and didn't even know about the feud with Croatia and Serbia. So if you've lived there in the past 20 years you would know almost everything

[@Fast-H]

@@КамелијаНиколова like your mom?

[@Peterkonto]

of North Macedonia have a Macedonian Slavic national identity. They are Slavic-speaking descendants of the Slavic tribes who have lived in the area since the 6th century and have a contentious history with Bulgaria and to some respects Serbia historically respectively

[@Peterkonto]

Historically, the term "Macedonia" which, it should be noted, is a Greek word, refers to the Kingdom and the civilization of the Ancient Macedonians, who belong to the Hellenic nation, and constitute an indisputable part of the historical and cultural heritage of Greece. Geographically, this term refers to a larger area spanning the present territory of various Balkan countries. Most of it is located in Greece, while other smaller parts of it are in North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Albania. The main body of Ancient Macedonia lies within the present Hellenic borders and occupies the northern part of the Greek territory. It has been historically called Macedonia and its current population amounts to about 2. 5 million Greek citizens. The roots of the name issue go back to the aftermath of World War II, when Marshal Tito separated the region that until then was called Vardar Banovina (i.e. the current Republic of North Macedonia) from Serbia, granted it the status of federal component of the then new Federal Yugoslavia, and renamed it initially "the People's Republic of Macedonia " and later "the Socialist Republic of Macedonia". At the same time, he began to cultivate the idea of a separate and distinct "Macedonian nation"...The only people who say that todays northern Macedonias are slavic and also indigenous macedonians is by the fabricated brainwashed nationalistic slavic macedonians to the amusement of the whole world..

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@Peterkonto TATJANA MAKEDONKA. vol @.

[@ZxZ239]

This would be as hilarious as Mongolia suddenly rename themselves as the "Yuan Dynasty" and start to claim Beijing as its spiritual capital.

[@janeza382]

Macedonians are not Greeks as Greeks was considering themselves bigger Romans the Romans it selves!

[@chrismardas8]

@@janeza382moron

[@dimitrisanastopoulos8957]

@@janeza382you are confusing whole eras with each other

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@janeza382 EVERY GOOD !!! Tatjana from MAKEDONIJA

[@rossfun9840]

@@tatjanavelkova5814 BULGARIAN TROLL !!

[@phil..rubi123]

I think Vardar would be a beautiful name on the country! And also a historically correct one. Macedonia actually can only be in Greece, Sorry. (PS I'm not Greek in any way, just a history nerd) Greetings from Scandinavia

[@d3r4g45]

P R ever heard Serbian being called Dunav? Montenegrins being called Zeta? Nope. Those are river names and geography regions, never population or state names. Also your "history arguments" are silly. Learn basic human rights and right of self-determination.

[@franknwalters]

C O FYROM is settled on *Paeonia,* not in Macedonia, and you're Slavs not descendants of the macedonians. 1. Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, *Harvard* University _"...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient _*_Paeonia_*_ ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic - a language _*_and people introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander_*_ - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."_ 2. Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, "Macedonian Redux" _"... _*_Modern Slavs, both from the_*_ Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians _*_cannot_*_ establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans _*_10 centuries after_*_ the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander. Only the most radical nationalists Slavic emigres from the US, Canada and Australia even attempt to establish a link with antiquity..."_

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

@@franknwalters Problem whit this is Paeonia is northern region of Balkans(today Serbia).

[@xristo702]

Though hellenic, Macedonia wasn't accepted by other greeks until Macedonia conquered them. Alexander was certainly a philhellene and he spread greek culture everywhere but he did it under the banner of MACEDON, not "Greece". Let me also state that we slavic Macedonians have little to do with any of that, but the greeks and bulgarians who insist that we are a non existent entity can go fuck themselves. These half slavic/half paleobalkan people that these assholes are calling "skopian fyromian brainwashed bulgar history thieves" have taken on the identity of "Macedonians" for at least 1500 years. And if the Bulgars want any evidence of this, they can take a good look at their own medieval coat of arms with those 3 golden Lions (each one corresponding to a regional identity that was annexed by the 2nd bulgarian kingdom): The lion of Moesia on the left, the lion of Thrace on the Right and both are holding up the lion of MACEDONIA in the middle. The greeks squawking and whining about macedonian identity is a relatively modern phenomenon and one that is mostly guided by jingoism and antislavic hatred...so with all due respect, my scandinavian friend...kindly take your greek approved name suggestion and shove it up your pretty white ass.

[@andrewong2956]

Exactly right! (Or all of fyrom/vardar gets merged with Greece.)

[@Kardia_of_Rhodes]

This is petty, but I also Understand Greece's frustration. Imagine if a bunch of Weaboos from the US decided to move to the island of Hokkaido in Japan and made their own country called "Edo".

[@ΜΕΓΑΣΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΟΕΛΛΗΝ]

They all quote the same genetics case study that has been proven bullshit. It has been proven several times that Greeks are of mediteranean indo-european descent similar to the ancient hellenistic tribes. Yours, on the other hand, is a mixture of Slavic genetics! Even without genetics just look at the culture and language and even geography. I speak the continuation of a language shared with the Hellenistic tribes including ancient Macedon. I speak and write the same language as Alexander the great whereas you speak Bulgarian, a language with Slavic roots brought to the Balkans in the 6th century. We are Hellenes today and you are Slavs. Everyone laughs in the Balkans with the idea of a 'macedonian' ethnicity including a significant part of your countrymen. We greeks live today within the borders of the ancient kingdom of Macedon and you live in the land of Peonia touching the outskirts of our Ancient Macedonia (read history-other than your propaganda books at school, or just watch the video again if you cant read). So all these talks of 'macedonian genetics', imaginary genocides (only you recognize), so-called forced re-settlements and the sudden emergence of a macedonian nationalism with ancient Greek and Bulgarian statues, triumphal arches, museums with greek artefacts (all built in the last couple of years) and photos of your 'captured' Thessaloniki and greek occupied territory etc.. You are the laughing stock of the Balkans in this matter-all your surrounding neighbours laugh at this propaganda. It is like you are trying to persuade yourselves and fail to do even that!XD i am sure you will have a long comeback reply with proof and theories and you guys have really created an interesting backstory propaganda all these years-i'll give you that (just like the holocaust deniers) since your sudden emergence as a country (Even I am older than your countryXD) but pure common sence as seen in the video will prove your claims of glorious ancient hellenic roots to be a farse just to sepparate yourselves from your true identity wich is of Bulgarian roots so you can keep your so called country together from the 1/3 population of Albanians and the Bulgarians who still say that you are the same.-I mean no offence btw it is just the facts and we Greeks are very passionate about our history and identity and trust me if it weren't for this dispute all these years we could have been your best friend in the region and best ally as we don't hold any territorial claims over you like your other neighbors do...:)

[@ΜΕΓΑΣΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΟΕΛΛΗΝ]

Worldsbestskiinstructor you sound like a reasonable guy as you try and provide evidence with your state ments. Quoting though a questionable and debased genetics result and a montage video on youtube from a channel named ''THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEKS!'' doesn't sound very credible. You are right to say that the proto ancient Macedonian language was different from the koine greek-the greek I speak is true. It was though a Greek dialect and very similar to the common greek -koini and just like other Hellenistic city-states like for example Sparta had their own Hellenistic dialects. This does not mean that they were not considered Hellenistic or Greek. Also, it stopped being popular after the 4c BC which means Philip and Alexander the great spoke the common Greek language and I am pretty sure they didn't speak Slavic or Bulgarian at the time thats for sure (only if you have another video on youtube by a 15-year-old saying otherwise)!XD Anyways it is undenied that Macedonians were Greek hence their participation in the Olympics which was very strict in being only Greeks with no exceptions. Philip himself and Alexander are constantly quoted in stating their Greek roots from Argos so there is no denying that either! Historians and archaeologists overwhelmingly endorse the idea that they were Greek and that is why we call their culture and period the Hellenistic and them a Hellenistic tribe. There are though those very few like you or others that still deny all these overwhelming facts and focus on some small detail and create a whole parallel theory just like there are a handful of historians who deny the holocaust or scientists who believe in aliens etc and all have various sources to defend their arguments of course. I don't want to start an academic quoral because this will take ages and I am sure anything I say will never make you change your mind. If you need though any help in reading the inscriptions of all your artifacts in your so called 'macedonian archeological museum' I am here to help you!:) If you like reading sources read this book: 'In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon' By Eugene N. Borza - I know it is not a youtube video made by one of your friends or a propaganda book they gave you at school but it will guide your Macedonian greek dialect questions you may have. Its Princeton press btw so it is pretty reliable

[@ΜΕΓΑΣΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣΟΕΛΛΗΝ]

We NEVER made any territorial claims! We don't have chants talking about reclaiming Skopje like you have of Thessaloniki, we don't have our officials and politicians in public addresses stand in front of maps including parts of your land like you do, we don't teach our children at school about fake genocides our neighbors committed and fill them with feelings of irredentism like you do. We never threatened your existence and if it has happened it is by a nationalistic extremist minority who just respond to your provocative claims in the first place. Trust me we are one of your biggest economic investors and do not wish your downfall. But if you still see us as your worst enemy then good luck with the Albanians and UCK and the Bulgarians who still think of you as their western extension of Bulgaria...

[@Freawulf]

@worldsbestskiinstructor: Stop posting that unfounded and refuted Arnaiz-Villena paper. Instead of making a fool of yourself, educate yourself: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11805804 Oh, and btw: genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/ Check the graph for Greeks, then compare to Germans or Tuscans. "Sub-Saharan", huh? DEFINITELY NOT!

[@rouxlasgr]

So let me get this straight... You posting dubious data about human migration patterns in 5000 BC has some connection with the Kingdom of macedon that appeared in 5th century BC. Whats next? a study about how Slavs self identified as Macedonians 7000 years ago? At least its nice to see you dont have anything to actually link the Slavic settlers that came a millenia after in 5th century AD with the greek kingdom so you resort to petty claims. FYROMian thinking "If i dont have any connection to Macedons i'll keep telling that noone else has..." SAD!

[@svenhendriksson6290]

We in Sweden are learning in schools Macedonia is Greece

[@bojanblagoevski959]

fuck your schools

[@eliasnjetski1146]

Well, that's not 100% true. Jag skriver på svenska här nu till dig. Vi fick lära oss i skolan om alla länder i Europa, alltså var de ligger och så vidare. När jag gick i skolan så hette Nordmakedonien, Makedonien. Jag visste inte förrän i gymnasiet att nordliga delen av Grekland också heter Makedonien. Namnbytet var i allra högsta grad väsentligt. Kompromissen var väl bra?

[@MacedonGreek-lf9sy]

@@eliasnjetski1146well that’s is 100% true Greeks are Macedonians …the north of Macedonia born 1991

[@vlado32sk]

Bro Macedonia is Macedonia and Im from Macedonia 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰

[@MacedonGreek-lf9sy]

@@vlado32sk You are Greece 🇬🇷 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷 Slav Macedonia don’t exist sorry

[@dimdim2793]

In Bulgaria we have a saying about these jokers of FYROM: Don't play chess with a FYR Macedonian! He will steal your king.

[@dedalosikaros2161]

Dim Dim hi from Thessaloniki. I visited your capital Sofia 6 years ago. It is a beautifull city. I visited the museum of natural history. Also in one central square there are tables from rock as chess boards .And many Bulgarians play chess there.But instead of chess I played backgammon and I really enjoyed.Thanks.

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

You Bulgarians usually call us by our constitutional name. Why commenting FYROM all the sudden? To please the Greeks?

[@dimdim2793]

Dac DT - How to make a distinction between Bulgarian Macedonian, Greek Macedonian and FYR Macedonian? This is why you need a new name that will distinguish the name of your country from the geographical region of Macedonia.

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

Dim Dim What's wrong with the name Republic of Macedonia? In our constitution it's written Republic of Macedonia.

[@dimdim2793]

What is wrong with Republic of Vardar Macedonia or Vardar Macedonia? We need to distinguish the name of the country from the name of the geographical region.

[@dimostychalas9716]

If Skopje uses the name macedonia, that would apply that greek macedonians and skopians are the same race, even tho they are not. So just one of them has to keep it. I am sure greece has the right, because the have the ancestral rights to use it too, while scopians do not.

[@pennysmirlis5989]

ClandestineOstrich you have a good imagination. I am astonished how propaganda can alter the minds of people! It becomes very dangerous! In any case I invite you to Pella to see the inscriptions of :Ancient Macedonia King Philip's tomb and other Macedonian kings tombs. Then tell me who is occupying who and who is changing history

[@Dorminaru.]

Really weird that a bunch of Bulgarians, Serbs and Albanians living in that area want the name Macedonia, which belongs to Greece.

[@Random30014]

As a Bulgarian I am baffled that my country agreed to that name. As victims of history stealing from FYROM we should be fully aware how ridiculous it is to accept this name

[@Dorminaru.]

I've seen a couple of times Bulgarians saying "FYROM is Bulgaria". It would make much more sense if FYROM wasn't a country, and the land would be shared to Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania (or even Greece).

[@Random30014]

Yup, I would be fine with an equal 4-part split

[@enoughisenoughenough4037]

It won't be, because this country has Turkey, Erdogan back up. Turkey is playing dirty games in the Balkans, as always.

[@Dorminaru.]

EnoughIsEnough Enough true that

[@tsarsamuelofbulgaria7614]

FOUNDER OF FYROM / БЮРМ “NORTH MACEDONIA” IS THE BULGARIAN KHAN KUBERT AND FYROM / БЮРМ "NORTH MACEDONIANS" ARE REAL BULGARIANS!

[@EHMM]

happiest bulgarian

[@hellothere8121]

most educated man in bulgaria XD

[@someonethatlikesyou7713]

true finally

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@someonethatlikesyou7713............ crep .

[@MacedonGreek-lf9sy]

@@tatjanavelkova5814​​⁠MACEDONIA IS ONE AND BELONG TO GREECE 🇬🇷

[@goranstojanovski7176]

I'm so glad that this dispute is finally over. I live in the country that is now called North Macedonia and I believe that Greece is right about this. Alexander the great does NOT belong to the slavic culture but to the hellenistic one. I really hope that monument will be given to the Greeks as a gift of good will . I'm also glad that the people in my country are finally realizing this and I'm especially glad the we have a good relationship with our neighbors. People from both couturiers travel across the borders in large numbers every day for shopping or doing business and they are very chill about the issue. Let's bury this drama of our ancestors and let's live like friends.

[@sarasaiti1755]

I agree completely actually.

[@josipbroztito204]

Alexander during his life was considered non Greek a barbarian only years after his death he becomes Greek

[@comingafteryou5352]

@@goranstojanovski7176 Eh no isn't the same as hitler as he didn't plan a genocide or killed thousands.We also admire him because he is the reason our greek culture was spread everywhere and lead to the new testament being written in greek.

[@Leta251]

KONSTANTIN XXX you’re wrong Albanians been there as long as Greek.. Albanian and Kosovo Albanian even Macedonian Albanian score high on Greek dna.

[@yagacomicart]

I agree 👍🏼

[@deniszt.6302]

Imagine that West of Czech Republic gets the independence from Czech Republic, and they choose as their new nation's name "Republic of Bavaria", just because they need a new identity and they're near the historical region of Bavaria. What would Germans say? The same exactly thing is happening between FYROM and Greece.

[@Hamboarding]

Denis Z I would be proud since people liked my history!

[@deniszt.6302]

Shhh go sleep slav.

[@deniszt.6302]

Oh yeah I'm really shocked... Good night from Μακεδονία.

[@zdravkocacanoski3030]

Since you want to compare There is a country Luxembourg and a region in Belgium also named Luxembourg There is country Moldova (Republic of) and also a region in Romania named Moldova. Venezuela have Guyana region and also there is a country named Guyana... There are lots of examples in the world. And i think that even the greek people do not have name issue about Macedonia, it is 100% about the exclusivity of the history.

[@cyrclack5616]

@@zdravkocacanoski3030 fun fact Romanian Moldavia and Moldovan Moldavia are literaly part of the same region, ruled by the same peoples, it just so happens part of it is independent Which is not the case with the Slavo-Pannonian Leeching Republic of Misguidance and Lies you live in

[@dougdog1224]

Tbh, the Vardar Republic sounds kind of badass It could be a good choice for another name

[@bobanpetrov8951]

KONSTANTIN XXX just shut the fuck up dumb kid there is only one Macedonia and if u liked the name whay didnt u stick with the name in the first place why did u change it to greece dumb fuck

[@negnegative8736]

Well its not that badass is Macedonian, but I can see how why u like it

[@filipmous5021]

@J M The Greeks are the foreigners huh? And I thought Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century.

[@filipmous5021]

@J M You are a maniac. You can find no proof whatsoever that Macedonia has a different history from Greece. No historian could even think to tell that the Ancient Macedonians were Slavs and not Greeks. There is evidence both written and found in ancient forms of art. For example why did they Macedonians partake in the Olympic Games? ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Olympic_Games )

[@makrides22]

The two prevailing languages of the FYROM are Burgarian (Macedonian) and Albanian. Which of those two languages Philip the second of Alexander the Great spoke? Please advice

[@milanfras4934]

Makedonski,obviously.

[@deathmax1018]

Philip and Alexander both spoke greek, Bulgarian is a Slavic language that came from the cyrilic alphabet abou 1100 years after Alexander the Greats death,albanian was kinda spoken by the ilirians the neighbors of Kingdom of Macedonia.If you want proof that Philip and Alexander spoke greek you need to know that Alexander the Great was taught by Aristotle arguably the greatest mind of greece.I hope I've helped you have a nice rest of your life

[@mnimeion]

Greek

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@deathmax1018 ALEXANDER and FILIP ARE MACEDONIANS. enjoy ! !

[@rossfun9840]

@@tatjanavelkova5814 ALEXANDER and FILIP were GREEK Macedonians not BULGARIANS AS YOU ENJOY BULGARIAN TROLL !!!

[@KikoBamBam]

Why didn't you mention the treaty of Bucharest?

[@aokiaoki4238]

Because its irrelevant

[@KikoBamBam]

@@aokiaoki4238 How is it irrelevant?

[@aokiaoki4238]

@@KikoBamBamits between Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro and Greece.

[@TheDuchy-d3h]

@KONSTANTIN XXX The official name of the nationality of the slavs in The Republic of North Macedonia is called "Macedonian" so...

[@TheDuchy-d3h]

@KONSTANTIN XXX Uh, dude, I am literally telling you correct things which are official, North Macedonia is North Macedonia, that's the name, Macedonian is the name of the language, it's all official and correct, I dont care that you are from greek occupied macedonia, I am just saying the official name of the nation and language which is recognized by all.

[@giannisk4622]

35% albanian origin, language slavic/Bulgarian and they think they are macedonions.

[@TheBorcekum]

16.5% Albanian are in Macedonia no more if you don't believe com and count them I dare you ...

[@ioanniskoletis8300]

@@TheBorcekum In North Macedonia you mean?

[@TheBorcekum]

@@ioanniskoletis8300 No I mean in Macedonia the one that was never Greece..........

[@ioanniskoletis8300]

@@TheBorcekum Big words from one that changed in 25 years time his flag and his country name.

[@TheBorcekum]

@@ioanniskoletis8300 Do not mistake our politics with our true history.

[@GeorgePerakis]

I am Greek. For the most part I agree with this video, all the facts were presented very correctly and objectively and it's all very nice. Let me just clarify that I liked it before I launch into a multi-paragraph tirade about it. When you stated that there is no risk of invasion if the Skopjans keep "Macedonia" as their name because we're in NATO, as if that's helped us in the past, I simply had to laugh. Tell me, did NATO protect Cyprus from the Turkish invasion in 1974? No? Did it at least force Turkey to let go of the region then? No? Well why would it protect us then? When has it ever protected us from anyone? Why are the Turks (our beloved fellow NATO member) still invading our sovereign airspace multiple times a day to this day and why do they threaten war every time we say we want to expand our territorial waters to the legal limit? Why does NATO allow these people to fly with their F-16s over our islands and sail their military frigates deep into our territorial waters? Explain these things to me, oh all-knowing Scotsman. And before you say anything, yes, I know that FYROM by itself could never possibly pose a threat to us. We have a very expansive military and it is even our job to control their airspace, as they don't even have an Air Force. However, they are aligning themselves with Turkey, who's batshit insane borderline dictator is doing all of the above I mentioned as well as talking shit about how much he misses the Ottoman Empire. Albania has aligned itself with Turkey as well in the past. Surely you realize that we don't want to be surrounded by THREE countries with irredentist claims, right? Surely you realize how low our odds of winning that war are, right? Surely you see that we can't rely on NATO to have our backs on this, as they never have before, right? Especially not when all of these countries that want a piece of us get in NATO themselves. You are not from this region. You probably know precious little about our geopolitics, let alone the nuances of Balkan politics. Hell, you probably didn't know about how often the Turks violate our borders even though it was even leaked by Wikileaks, simply because the western media never reports on these issues but instead chooses to paint us as the "wacky lazy Greek bullies who scream OPA as they break plates on the ground, burn money they don't have and bully their neighbors over such silly, petty things and SURELY cannot have any REAL genetic connection to the Ancients despite speaking the same language, practicing the same religions and having defended the same monuments and culture for thousands of years" because I guess that just gets more views. And I don't blame you for that. You clearly know far more than your average westerner and even now you probably think I'm being just a tad melodramatic about the whole situation. But I assure you, preserving this fragile peace the Balkans have had for the last 20 or so years is one of our biggest priorities, and we won't back down on this issue until a true long term solution presents itself. We will not be made anyone's fool, even when fools run our parliament.

[@OpinionesDeJACCsOpinions]

Cyprus isn't a NATO member, while Turkey is, I don't know anything else beyond that.

[@johnjohn-uy5en]

Cyprus wasn't a diffrent country back then.it was greece

[@OpinionesDeJACCsOpinions]

+john john Cyprus has been an independent country since 1960, when it gained independence from *Britain!* So during the Turkish invasion of 1974 Cyprus was independent, got it? Also the events that led up to 1974 were started by Greek Cypriots trying to unite with Greece, something that never really happened. Since I last saw the 1st statement, I've been able to research a little bit more to be aware of the situation. However, that doesn't mean I know everything.

[@robkit6681]

George Perakis.....how about you SHUT THE FUCK UP.....you ignorant brainwashed peasant

[@lunaticgr2925]

Rob Kit Nice counter argument you have there you filthy subhuman. I hope the leftist shits we have for a government now fall from power so we can bomb your country and take this small region of yours that was once Alexander's territory.

[@sirliridon.4419]

This comment section is the reason why I don’t like humans that much anymore

[@Xenin7]

I think they should rename themselves the Republic of Paeonia, since that is where the ancient Paeonian people resided, not the Macedonians. The Paeonians also supported Troy in the Trojan wars and were enemies of the Macedonians.

[@TheTimoprimo]

Xenin7 That’s actually a good idea.

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Well said. *"The so-called Republic of 'Macedonia' [FYROM] is located in what was ancient Paeonia."* (Paul Cartledge, University of Cambridge, UK) *“Paeonia, roughly where the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is today.”* (Timothy Howe, Jeanne Reames, “Macedonian Legacies”, Regina Books, 2008, p.239) “Ovid was lax in his geography, not least over *Paeonia (in fact roughly coextensive with the present Slav republic of Macedonia).”* (Ovid [Author], Peter Green [Translator], “The Poems of Exile”, University of California Press, 2005, p.319) “Besides the former kingdom of Macedon [Greece], the Roman region included the territories *of Paeonia where the contemporary FYR Macedonia rests.”* (Ridvan Peshkopia, “Conditioning Democratization”, Anthem Press, 2015, p.189) *"Macedonia was - and still is - a territory of northern Greece.* The Ancient Macedonians were *of Greek origin and spoke a broader rougher dialect of Greek."* (Stephen Batchelor, “The Ancient Greeks for Dummies”, 2008)

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES ! ! Yugoslavia before 30 years... end.

[@PanagiotisAvramiSk8]

Η Μακεδονία είναι Ελλάδα. Ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος ήταν Έλληνας.

[@hellas.waffen6690]

@@aceavram712 Macedonia is also Greek like Athens and sparta

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@hellas.waffen6690 and Vranje..... is Greek.

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Ummmmm He's Back. For the next Crazy Boarders in the World. Look at the US which has some surprising ones. Land on the wrong side of the Rivers, Points in Canada. There was a Deleware Pennsylvania Dispute for a long time. Maryland is jacked up. 4 Corners exists. Idaho's panhandle is only accessible by Road through another state. Oh and Kentucky and West Virginia used to be part of Virginia

[@namingisdifficult408]

readonly pdf yep

[@SantomPh]

Crazy boarders? Like people who move in and rent a room?

[@ginnrollins211]

There's also Virginia's East Coast

[@PiousMoltar]

"Maryland is jacked up" I dunno what this even refers to but I lol'd.

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Yep the Delmarva peninsula.

[@denizeraltug7425]

Greece and Greeks are right in Macedonia dispute. Nationalist and far-right Southern Slav Macedonians claim that they're descendants of ancient Kingdom of Macedonia, but also Alexander the Great 'Megas Alexandros', but it is not true. Because Kingdom of Macedonia was active between 808 B.C.-168 B.C. and South Slavs came to the Balkans in 6th century A.D. so it is impossible to say that they're descendants of ancient Kingdom of Macedonia, but also Alexander the Great. Macedonia is a Ancient Hellenic word which was derived form makednos which means the high/tall one in Ancient Greek language. Alexander the Great was a Greek nationalist and he wanted to unified Greece and he succeeded it. After the death of Alexander the Great in Babylon in 323 B.C. Kingdom of Macedonia was divided into three kingdoms. These three kingdoms were Antigonid Kingdom, Seleucid Empire and Ptolemaic Kingdom. Besides that Hellenistic Period was started after death of Alexander the Great and it was continued until the Battle of Actium in 31 B.C. Alexander the Great founded Alexandria in 332 or 331 B.C. and after that Alexandria became the new center of Greek world. He also spreaded Koine Greek dialect and this dialect was the common dialect of Greeks during Hellenistic period, Roman Empire and early Byzantine times. This dialect was also the common dialect within the armies of Alexander the Great. Alexander the Great's favourite novel was Iliad which was written by Homer and he kept a copy of Iliad under his pillow. Nationalist and far-right Southern Slav Macedonians use the ancient Macedonia name for describing their country and they also use ancient Macedonian identity for their identity, that's why ignorant persons think that they are right in Macedonia dispute. Besides that the first flag of North Macedonia which was used between 1991-1995 was actually the flag Kingdom of Macedonia, but Nationalist Southern Slav Macedonians changed the colour of this flag from blue to red. This flag also included Vergina Sun which is a rayed solar symbol first appearing in Greek art of the period between 6th and 2th centuries B.C. and it was the symbol of Kingdom of Macedonia. Kiro Giligorov who was the first president of North Macedonia said 'We are Southern Slavs who came to the Balkans in 6th century A.D. so we are not the descedants of Ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great. We have no ties between ancient Kingdom of Macedonia and Alexander the Great.

[@PopsicleIncorporated]

20 comments so far, 6 of them complaining about the length of time between this and the next one. Sounds about right.

[@WonderWhy]

I think it's really just become a meme at this point, which to be honest I actually think is pretty hilarious. In November of last year I actually uploaded two video IN THE SAME MONTH which is very unlike me... yet the comments still said "see you in 2020!". I only have myself to blame I guess!

[@namingisdifficult408]

WonderWhy it’s quite funny. But still great video as always!

[@htl_gaming]

Historicaly and culturaly Macedonia was greek so i see no reason why FYROM should inculde in their name the word macedonia

[@htl_gaming]

worldsbestskiinstructor go and read some history kid. Macedons were speaking Greek! From ancient times, if you want to tell me that they were something else you're complete idiot

[@htl_gaming]

worldsbestskiinstructor this shows how ignorant you are, by showing me some random people making videos instead of showing me real prove, which you don't have. There are many scripts showing that macedons spoke Greek but you instead keep proving that you're an idiot

[@voiceofreason3950]

Alexander the Great spoke Greek, wrote Greek (There are ancient texts/notes of Alexander the Great) , His Father was Greek = Philip (Which in Greek means friend with the horses in your slavic language means nothing. His teacher was Greek = Aristotle... Alexander himself said that he had Greek roots in an ancient text written in GREEK! YOU ARE A SLAV! YOU CAME TO THE AREA OF FYROM AROUND 1000 YEARS AFTER ALEXANDER THE GREAT PASSED AWAY! THIS IS A HISTORICAL PROOF ! It's not brainwashing..It's the pure truth if you know world history...

[@jimb8296]

So why where they accepted to the olympic games? Also they were talking Hellenic/Greek, you can see it at any writen arifact. Also if you see ALEXANDERS name that means invuanurable to man and Fillips name that means friend of horses (all these in Hellenic/Greek) you will be humilieted even in your own poor eyes. Last but not least go find king Fillips shield. It has a double meander on it. A FUCKING HELLENIC SYMBOL. So i can say more, even for the name Macedonia it self that also means something in Hellenic/Greek but you wont bellieve reality only lies.

[@jimb8296]

Are a slav or not?

[@RukartBert]

Didn't come here to watch the video, I came here to see the like/dislike ratio and the comment section What a fiesta

[@aokiaoki4238]

Turkicdonia is not an embarrassment! It's an important step for the improvment of relations between Europe and Central Asia, you ve been noticed!

[@aokiaoki4238]

@Sultan of Sultans Safiye Sultan They may have it next year, you never know...

[@maric-yi2tx]

I think we should've been named Rakija

[@futuremamadoglord1382]

I agree 100%

[@maric-yi2tx]

@J M bruh calm down

[@TankMarko]

ye me to

[@TankMarko]

@KONSTANTIN XXX I didn't understand a single sentence you made so im gonna tell you that Macedonian IS NOT Bulgaric, they very similar but not the same (just like serbian and hrvaski). Macedonians are slavs and Alexander the great was greek, that's just fact. Greeks need to chill the fuck out and let MACEDONIANS live in MACEDONIA.

[@alanpiersonn2507]

The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) actually corresponds to ancient Paeonia, NOT to ancient Macedonia, which was - and still is - a part of Greece. The citizens of the FYROM are primarily Slavs and Albanians, hence NOT real Macedonians, who were - and are - Greeks. You do the math.

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Well said!

[@catowl959]

FYROM was created by Tito hoping for an access to the Aegean Sea.

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Professor Donald Kagan, Yale University, USA: "We know *the ancient Macedonians were fundamentally Greeks.* That is to say *they were Greek speakers and ethnically they were Greeks."* (Yale University, “Introduction to Ancient Greek History, Philip, Demosthenes and the Fall of the Polis”, 2007)

[@MacedonianAlwaysGreek]

Kuzman Shapkarev, considered an “ethnic Macedonian” in FYROM: "But *even stranger is the name 'Macedonians',* which was imposed on us *only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders and not as something by our own intellectuals...* Yet the people in Macedonia *know nothing of that ancient name,* reintroduced today *with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other.* They know the older word: *'Bugari',* although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to *other Bulgarians.* You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you." (In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888, Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)

[@catowl959]

"Unlike the Slovene and Croatian identities, which existed independently for a long period before, the emergence of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's 'Macedonian' identity and language were themselves a product of federal Yugoslavia, and took shape only after 1944.” (Zielonka, Jan; Pravda, Alex., “Democratic consolidation in Eastern Europe”, p.422, Oxford University Press, 2001)

[@electrosthefella]

Rename it to the Glorious Republic of Arstotzka.

[@ПетарМилковски]

Lol XD

[@Peterkonto]

Some people think that we have a connection with ancient Macedonia, but I presume that the more educated ones admit that we are Slavs. It’s not bad to be part of the Slavic culture, of the Russian culture. It is a pride. But the damage has already been done, and it will take decades to alter such perception,” Dragi Gjorgiev, director of the Institute of Macedonian History, told journalists in late 2018...

[@ΒακουφτσήςΙωάννηςΚυριάκος]

Exactly, I see no reason why they deny their cultural and national Identity , there is nothing wrong in my opinion with people of Slavic origins.... We also have people of Slavic origins in Greece and nobody feels or talk bad about them. In my opinion North Macedonia does a big mistake by denying its Slavic origins.

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@ΒακουφτσήςΙωάννηςΚυριάκος.............................. GJUBRE .

[@Filippirgos]

Macedonia was part of Serbia until 1918. They speak language which is very close to Bulgarian. I don't see any conection beetwen them and Ancient Macedonia which was part of Greece

[@johnjohn-uy5en]

They are not Macedonians. Call them fyrom

[@MsMine76]

Macedonia never isn't part of Serbia.

[@mellake7052]

Fei Li This is getting very confusing. So was/is Macedonia part of Serbia, part of Bulgaria, or part of Greece? You see everyone of them is saying it's theirs. Seeing you give the impression you know these things, which was it?

[@qadwani4327]

Fei Li Macedonia is fucked by Greece Bulgaria and Serbia😂😂

[@carultch]

@@mellake7052 Macedonia was part of Yugoslavia, but they were not part of Serbia. Serbia and Montenegro combined as a country, is what was left over from Yugoslavia splitting up. Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia separated in warfare, North Macedonia separated completely peacefully with an independence referendum, and no other region of Yugoslavia disagreed with them getting independence. Montenegro was allied with Serbia, and remained part of their country until 14 years after the dust settled from everyone else leaving, and then got independence through referendum and diplomacy. Kosovo is still part of Serbia, trying to get independence, and violent conflict within it continues to this day.

[@thedivision20]

More and more Germans are choosing to spend holidays within their own country. Therefore, this year, most of them will spend it in Greece.

[@arandomwatcher7597]

My god that hurt BADLY..... and has a bit of truth...

[@julten6969]

I don’t get it

[@michaeldon9073]

I'm from Macedonia ( or North Macedonia), I find the idea by building the statue of Alexander the Great and the other stuff very stupid, the government wasted the money on challenging another country, and not trying to help the people in the country. I find the argument between the two countries very childish, both of the points that the countries are giving are stupid. Why can the people jute live together and work with each other to make it in to a better place, all the conflict between Macedonia and Greece are just government's propaganda, and nationalist followers. Personally I don't care about the conflict, I find Macedonia and Greece beautiful places, let just stop. 🇲🇰🤜🤛🇬🇷

[@tziodim]

Man i hope you the best, I'm Greek.all this shit is that balkans after ww1 felt into the pit with the vampires. We have corrupted goverments and balkans will be like that until they will have to take our oil,its the last of it. 2020 and we are doing the same as we are in the caves because people we give power are fucked up so,we are fuck up. Make all beautiful is a goog idea.lets give power to this idea by following it !!!!!!! But no it will never happen and I must kill you !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :))

[@progamerbufovi]

@@eaglesnetwork3750 i don't think they are waiting for liberation

[@ΠαναγιώτηςΠολύζος-λ2π]

I am Greek man and this is amazing. Let's just stop arguing and live peacefully 👊👊

[@bedwar12494]

same, and i agree

[@progamerbufovi]

@@bedwar12494 i just hate greeks who start fights like this guy above your reply

[@gavinexe7012]

you mean western bulgaria?

[@gavinexe7012]

what the actual fuck

[@bobantheighty6141]

Gavin, you are a clever boy! Get the trophy, mate... 🏆

[@southslavic108]

@@gavinexe7012 i thought that Macedonia is Southern Serbia

[@patsflysfan2]

How about they just call the country Yugoslavia? It might not work, but it's an interesting idea.

[@Varraz]

patsflysfan2 That would solve the conflict with greece, but would probably start another conflict with serbia, Croatia and bosnia😅

[@TheTimoprimo]

Varraz Don’t forget Serbia, especially.

[@GeoPol01]

HE's BACK!

[@svenhendriksson2906]

We in Sweden are learning in schools for the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia

[@janeza382]

kingdom is differnt system then collonial city state. Today Greeks are Christian Romans not ancient Hellene. Greece is Roman from insignificant nearby colony. Greece want exclusivity of ancient and their nation was bult by "antiquation" (megali-idea / Military government doctrine ) and claiming all Christians as Greeks in educational system.

[@thebalkanhistorian.3205]

@@janeza382doesn’t change the fact that Macedonia is Greek

[@thebalkanhistorian.3205]

@angolaproductions2011 nope, north Macedonia also used to be Greek (ancient pelagonia) along with most of the Balkans such as Bulgaria central Albania etc

[@allstarlord9110]

@@janeza382😂😂😂 Why do we still speak Greek then?

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

@@janeza382 EVERY BEST ! ! ! Tatjana from MAKEDONIJA

[@thanoskoumpanis9699]

When youtube channels are better than greek politicians at presenting the historic truth...

[@marcopolo2395]

everyone who says that the dispute is only about the names is stupid. i have even heard the argument "why dont americans get angry on the republic of georgia?" firstly because georgians dont steal american history secondly because georgians have distinct culture, language, ethnicity (fyromians dont), thirdly because georgia is far older than america, and fourthly because Georgia in Georgia is called Sakartvelo !

[@dansie8320]

Marco Polo hahaha what a theory ...joke right ...stick to ur 300 years history man ... Most probably u dont even know who named ur country ...

[@marcopolo2395]

@Dan Sie excuse me? I am Greek.

[@dansie8320]

Marco Polo maybe marco polo is italian for u also ...

[@marcopolo2395]

he is italian

[@dansie8320]

Marco Polo hahaha marco polo is born on a croatian island his parents n grand parents were croatians ...that time it was invaded by venetians n they also spoke italian but that does nt make him italian ...same as critians r they italians cz they were conquered by venetians ??

[@VBomber80]

Now Australian citizen and permanent resident. Ancient Macedonia was a kingdom in Greece even though there may have been civil wars at that time in which Alexander succeeded. Athens was a diplomacy. It’s as simple as that and so damn obvious. I don’t blame Greeks for feeling the way they do. Macedonia is the oldest and most long-standing name in Europe. I was born in the city of Bitola which today is in the northern part of Macedonia or FYROM. But it’s so obvious that the true Macedonia was born in Ancient Greece with the capital Pella where Alexander was born. The only thing that is causing the dispute is a moral one from “FYROM” They are fearful of losing their identity because of it. I wish this whole thing would go away and just surrender to the true Macedonia which is from Ancient Greece. We are Slavic and I’d just rather call my ancestry Serbian/Bulgarian coz that’s what we are. What most people don’t understand is that the Greeks are not claiming we are Greek they just want people to realise the true origin of ancient Macedonia. It is quite simple really. There may be more to this story but that’s the way I see it.

[@giorgossinanis6920]

vlad you have my respect because you honor your origins

[@katarmis]

That is a very rational opinion, if more people shared the same view we would have been the best neighbours. Greetings from Greece :) :)

[@PeterMilanovski]

Oh and vlad is Bulgarian and just wants to get a piece of Greece sooner rather than later.... Good one vlad. You're a real good bloke..

[@fnostalgiaanostalgia4766]

dobro, da si v avstraliji! i samo ostani tamo! cepec neumni!

[@barbzthebuilder]

GREECE IS MACEDONIAN

[@Peterkonto]

On January 15, 1992 Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the independence of the then-Republic of Macedonia. Bulgaria has however refused to recognise the existence of a separate ethnic Macedonian nation and a separate Macedonian language. It argues that the ethnic Macedonians are a subgroup of the Bulgarian nation, and that the Macedonian language is a Bulgarian dialect. According to historian Eugene N. Borza, the Macedonians, who are a recently emergent people and have had no history, are in search of their past. This search is an attempt to help legitimize their unsure present, surviving in the disorder of Balkan politics. Anthropologist Ivaylo Dichev claims that the Macedonian historiography has the impossible task of filling in the huge gaps between the ancient kingdom of Macedon that collapsed in the 2nd century BC, the 10th-11th century state of the Cometopuli, and Yugoslav Macedonia, established in the middle of the 20th century. Despite the myths of national purity and continuity that came to dominate the official Macedonian historiography, something not unusual for the Balkan region, Ipek Yosmaoglu affirms there is not much to be gained from a search for a Macedonian national lineage, because the Macedonian nationhood was shaped mainly in the decades following World War II.

[@YY-wc8nd]

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.

[@franknwalters]

But seriously, *why no one from Slavomacedonia* ever replies to this: In 492 BC the Persians conquered Macedonia. *If* as you claim the Macedonians weren't Greeks, *why* did Darius proudly ordered the inscription *- - - (which still exists) - - -* to be written on his tomb at Naqs-i Rustam, that he had (quote) conquered the *_"Yauna takabara,"_* which is ancient Persian for the *"Greeks with sun hats"?* _"Yauna"_ in ancient Persian means "Greek." I'm confused! Why would the *ancient* Persians *regard* the Macedons as "Greeks," if as you claim they weren't Greeks? Did the Greeks bribed Darius to engrave this phrase on his tomb for all eternity, *as a proof in case* some Slavs 2,500 years later start claiming that the Macedons weren't Greeks, but Slavic speaking with Slavic names Slavs?

[@Lion-rs2qy]

The Persians never had control over the kingdom Of Macedon. DARIUS I And followed by Xerxes Never battled it out with Macedon in this period The wars were against Sparta and Athens They had intentions of taking all Hellenic kingdoms and if they had It would of been disastrous for western civilization, The Spartans and Athenians held them off long enough for the rise of Macedon, in which Phillip ll of Macedon made the decision to invade Persia on their Soil, and son Alexander Followed up on this

[@franknwalters]

@@Lion-rs2qy o.O In the late 6th BC the kingdom of Macedon under king Amyntas I, became a *VASSAL* of the Achaemenid Dynasty, i.e. of the (First) Persian Empire. Amyntas had *no choise* but to give up. In *492 BC* the Persians *FULLY subordinated* the kingdom of Macedon, relocating all decision makings DIRECTLY to Persia. That is *complete* rule over the kingdom. The fact that there was no actual war, *by no means* it can be interpreted as that the kingdom was not conquered by the Persians. That is why DARIUS order the incription that he had *CONQUERED* the *_"Greeks with Sun-hats"_* (the Macedons) to be written on his tomb. Disputing that the Persians conquered the kingdom of Macedon is delusional and *proves what is going in Slavomacedonia* all these years, not just against Greece, but against rationality itself.

[@sahulianhooligan7046]

Maybe Persians used the word Greeks like an ignorant umbella term similar to someone calling all Asians "Chinese"

[@franknwalters]

​@@sahulianhooligan7046 :D The ancient Persians knew perfectly (trade, etc) the Greeks and the Greek matters centuries before they conquer Macedonia. And *none on Planet Earth* calls the Asians "Chinese." Who the bloody hell calls the Pakistanis, the Afgans, the Russians, the Koreans, etc "Chinese"?? :D

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

ALEXANDER with his ARMY FALANGA were in PERSIJA, INDIA and EGYPT ! !

[@rafaellagaribaldi9391]

@Georgi Georgiev Well until the 19th century they were calling themselves Bulgarians.

[@rafaellagaribaldi9391]

@Zagor the MACEDONIAN SPIRIT I'm not interested in your theories. You North Makedonskis are racially Bulgarians, The creation or invention of a Macedonian national identity in the 19th century was a product of a revolutionary independence movement.

[@rafaellagaribaldi9391]

@Mishel is Back Now that's funny, since Krste Misirkov stated *_"Our fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers were called Bulgarians, and we also called ourselves Bulgarians"_* And I believe he stated that around 1909.

[@shutup7957]

get a job tatar

[@Sauron-bt8yp]

Bulgarian was not an ethnic term back then.

[@thanosandnobill3789]

The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía) a kingdom named after the ancient Macedonians. Their name, Μακεδόνες (Makedónes), is cognate to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim". Alexander the Great himself said THREE times that he is Greek, he spoke Greek and his name "Alexander" is derived from the Greek "Ἀλέξανδρος" (Aléxandros), meaning "Defender of the people" in Greek. The usurper country called Fyrom (m for macedonia) is a country where 30% are Albanians, 10% some minorities and 60% the so-called macedonians who speak a language identical to Bulgaric (slavic). All, i repeat ALL of the historical references in South Balkans before 1900 they say about Greeks, Bulgars, Turks, Albanians, Jews and some other very small communities. But, some years after magically from thin air we saw the proud Slavic "Macedonians" demand for recognition. The FUROM story reminds me the Houtu and Toutsi in Africa. Two different tribes who actually was one but Great Britain and other powers created them from thin air just to manipulate them. Also, the name dispute has geopolitical significance because of historical reasons. The slavic "macedonians" created by the Great powers of Europe before 100 years (France, Germany, Great Britain) with the only purpose to sabotage the creation of the "Greater Bulgaria". After the Second Balkan war and the defeat of Bulgaria, the Bulgarians in the region of today's Fyrom who baptized as macedonians manipulated (again) by the communists (not all of them) in Greece and Yugoslavia who tried the creation of a communist state in the south region of the Balkans. They failed because they didn't have the support of Stalin and finally defeated in Greek civil war.

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

Mr Historian, nobody gives a shit.

[@dimitrisoikonomou3568]

Dac DT I do...

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

We don't care if you recognize us or not, 139 other countries recognize us under our constitutional name.

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

Plus you have a land that is ours, Solun is ours.

[@konangel7]

Come and get it if it's yours lol :') Your fake state will be erased in less than a day. Thessaloniki alone has higher GDP than your whole country.

[@thehi3774]

I think the name for the country could be Slavic-Nacedonia

[@hellothere8121]

I think your name should be Comedy King 2021

[@janeza382]

Republic of Macedonia. Macedonia and its people was divided 1913 by Romanticized imperialistic puppet kingdoms.

[@Peterkonto]

Throughout the Middle Ages and up until the early 20th century the Slavic speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia was more commonly referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians.

[@BiteSizeFeed]

Both by themselves? If you want to smear something, you are stooping so low, because you probably cannot make up an intellectual argument - of which there are plenty that should be considered, but you don’t have that capacity so you resort to commenting crap. You’re not worth arguing with, I don’t think you can grasp complex issues, like a child sort of. Sorry, you’re not credible enough to pay attention to.

[@Peterkonto]

Credibility is in the eye of the beholder when even your own ministers in Skopje agree upon the fact that you where bulgarians before 1944..During Yogoslavia time it was done a lot to wash the brain on the Bulgarians of Macedonia. The French scientist proved few years ago that Macedonia speak a BULGARIAN DIALECT. I personally do not mind if Macedonia wants to be independent but they are stealing Bulgarian and Greek hystory and identity which is a shame. ..

[@BiteSizeFeed]

@@Peterkonto Credibility is in the eye of the beholder? What a statement, review it, go over it, reevaluate it.... Think about what you said, then come back.

[@Peterkonto]

@@BiteSizeFeed ..It means the perception of truth is subjective, only on your behalf who deny your slavic middle age history in the Balkans but would rather place yourselfs with the ancient Macedonian dynasty that has nothing whatsoever to do with slavic history or it's slavic people that entered the Balkans in the 6th century after the demise of the ancient macedonians..

[@YY-wc8nd]

@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА You are NOT Macedonian you are Bulgarian Macedonia is Greece FYROM - North Macedonia is Bulgarian "Carte ethnigraphique de la Turquie d'Europe et des etats vassaux autonomes" Guillaume Lejean, 1861 i.imgur.com/3yQhTdZ.jpg "Этнографическая карта славянскихь народностей" Михаил Ф. Миркович, 1867 i.imgur.com/eOxyx7x.jpg "The Turks, the Greeks and the Slavons. Travels in the Slavonic Provinces of Turkey-in-Europe" G. Muir Mackenzie and A. P. Irby, London, 1867 i.imgur.com/vVNEMA9.jpg "Мара Slovanskègo Svèta" Karel Jaromir Erben, 1868 i.imgur.com/jH8TeHF.jpg "Nouvelle Géographie Universelle" Élisée Reclus, 1876 i.imgur.com/T1wkC7o.jpg "Ethnographische Übersicht des europäischen Orients / zusammengestellt" H. Kiepert, Berlin, im Mai 1876 i.imgur.com/NnDyK49.jpg "Carte Ethnographique de la Turquie d'Europe" A. Synvet, 1877 i.imgur.com/NPN3Sbm.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der der Europäischen Türkei und ihrer Dependenzen zu Anfang des Jahres" Carl Sax, 1877 i.imgur.com/78KmjLy.jpg "Ethnographical Map of Turkey in Europe" Ernst Ravenstein, 1880 i.imgur.com/JaTn2Yb.jpg "Peoples at the Balkan Peninsula" Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas, 1st Edition, Leipzig, 1881 i.imgur.com/Ns38Klw.jpg "Ethnographische Karte der sudwestlichen Balkanhalbinsel" Dr Gustav Weigand. Leipzig, 1890 i.imgur.com/5ea8vh4.jpg "Карта Славянскихь Народностей" Н. С. Зарянко, Санкт Петербург, 1890 i.imgur.com/mK7q7Go.jpg "Ethnographische Karte von Makedonien, Deutsche Rundschau für Geographie und Statistik Bd. XXI" Friedrich Meinhard, 1899 i.imgur.com/9BCwlQt.jpg "Populations de la peninsule des Balkans, Institut Geographique de Paris" Ch. Delagrave, 1899 i.imgur.com/rYyEOwn.jpg "Narodopisna mapa Slovanstva, Slovanské starožitnosti" Lubor Niderle, 1902 i.imgur.com/dDZ5ovH.jpg ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitola_inscription "In the year 6523 since the creation of the world [1015/1016? CE], this fortress, built and made by Ivan, Tsar of Bulgaria" "This Tsar was Bulgarian by birth, grandson of the pious Nikola and Ripsimia, son of Aaron, who was brother of Samuil, Tsar of Bulgaria" ---------------- www.britannica.com/topic/Internal-Macedonian-Revolutionary-Organization "IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity. " ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false “The interwar Serbian (and later Yugoslav) government attempted quite unsuccessfully to “Serbianize” the Slavs of Yugoslav Macedonia, who generally defined themselves as Bulgarians, but who were officially referred to as South Serbs by the Yugoslav government.” Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- www.scribd.com/document/61993141/History-of-the-Balkans-Vol-2-Twentieth-Century-the-Joint-Committee-on-Eastern-Europe-Publication-Series-No-12 Page 103 in pdf/91 in book : "However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation. At the time of the Constantinople conference of 1876 and the Congress of Berlin, as we have seen, the represen-tatives of the great powers considered the region to be of an extremely mixed ethnic composition, but predominantly Bulgarian." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jelavich ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=48NyoQdOWH0C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false "In interviews with elderly Vlah-speakers, I was told that their language has no way to distinguish "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" as ethnic terms, using v'rg'ri to translate both. The term has a clear etymological connection with Bulgar, and this upsets younger people who have grown up in Yugoslav or post-Yugoslav Macedonia, where the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian became a matter of concern." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Brown_(linguist) ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=-7TgkO8utHIC&lpg=PP13&ots=en&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false "Up until the early twentieth century, the international community viewed Macedonians as a regional variety of Bulgarians, i.e. Western Bulgarians. However, during the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 the Allies sanctioned Serbian control of much of Macedonia because they accepted the belief that Macedonians were in fact Southern Serbs. This extraordinary change in opinion can largely be attributed to one man, Jovan Cvijić, a prominent geographer at the University of Belgrade." Author - www.researchgate.net/profile/George_White8 ---------------- humstatic.uchicago.edu/mahimahi/media/faculty/vfriedm/164Friedman01.pdf "The authors of this period(1794-1840) in both Macedonia and Bulgaria called their vernacular language "Bulgarian"." - in the 2nd page of the pdf at the end of paragraph (1). Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Friedman ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters "Za makedonckite raboti (Cyrillic script: За македонцките работи, English translation: On Macedonian Matters) is a book written by Krste Misirkov and published in 1903 in Sofia, Bulgaria. The book presents the author's views towards the Macedonian Question, and explores the sense of national belonging and nеed for affirmation of the Macedonians as a separate people. The book marked the first complete outline of the Macedonian language as a separate and proposed the need for its codification." books.google.com/books?id=ZmesOn_HhfEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q&f=false "Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a 'Macedonian' national identity was a relatively recent historical development. In On Macedonian Matters, published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27, 150)." Author - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Danforth ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=Y0NBxG9Id58C&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA37&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian. Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." Author - lsa.umich.edu/history/people/emeritus/jvafine.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=bSxHgej4tKMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&pg=PA431#v=onepage&q&f=false "Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius came from Macedonian Thessaloniki; their old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time 'Old Macedonian'. No Macedonian literature dates from earlier than the nineteenth century, when a nationalist movement came to the fore and a literacy language was established, first written with Greek letters, then in Cyrillic. From the point of view of Bulgaria, Macedonian is simply a west Bulgarian dialect." Author - lsa.umich.edu/classics/people/departmental-faculty/fortsonb.html ---------------- books.google.com/books?id=MZcCA4hkwscC&lpg=PP1&hl=en&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false “What made Parlichev adopt the Bulgarian nationalist cause was the fate of the Miladinov brothers, one of whom had been his Greek teacher at school in Ohrid. In 1861 the brothers had published a collection of Bulgarian Macedonian songs in Zagreb, dedicated to Joseph Strossmayer, Catholic bishop of Diakovar[Djakovo], who was an active supporter of the pan-Slavist movement.” Author - oxford.academia.edu/PeterMackridge ---------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_International_Commission_on_the_Balkan_Wars "The International Commission consisted of university professors and other prominent individuals from France, Great Britain, United States, Germany, Austria and Russia. Among the members of the Commission there were three Nobel Prize winners.[1]" archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft/page/50/mode/2up The most important part is between pages 50 and 57.