Part 2: An Instagram Influencer 'Blackfishing'

[@gillian_perry]

Dammmmmnnnnnnnn Loni: "Everybody wants our rhythm, but they don't want our blues". PREACH!!

[@izzielee2119]

Love that quote

[@kshinokevin]

(for) Churrrrch !

[@gillian_perry]

Camara Rhodes it does make sense. Just stop and think

[@bellas2cents836]

Gillian That’s it! Lol

[@OhSoNita]

Camara Rhodes It makes perfect sense

[@cutema101]

“Everyone wants our rhythm but you don’t want our blues” well said Loni 👏🏾

[@TS-tv2ik]

AMEN AMEN AMEN

[@zarachoudhury6854]

cutema101 what does she mean by that

[@brownsoie]

Because she the"ideal" of what black men want.

[@reece6583]

That statement sums it all up perfectly.

[@PrettyGURLte]

brownsoie you missed the entire point

[@Beautifullybipolar89]

I’m white and I love black women. I think black women are beautiful, but I can appreciate their beauty w/o trying to copy it. And her making money off of it is wrong when there are a lot of beautiful black models who are looking for opportunities to represent their race and culture.

[@cnsummers4086]

Thank you!

[@Miechonlada]

They can all do it. This white girl black fishing doesn’t take away from the real black women. What do people mean by taking away opportunities from real black women. Not like we have a limited number of how many people can be a model, be famous ????

[@nikkiestefania5464]

Chonlada W. bc Emma collabed with a makeup company to make a highlighter for darker skin tones when it isn’t even for her natural skin. that opportunity could’ve been given to a real brown girl but instead it was given to a white woman posing as black

[@Ronda00]

Mandi Gard thank you ma’am!!!!! 🙌🏾💯💕

[@dallasveyonce9851]

We love you

[@Simply3ddy]

Jeannie missed the point! Adrienne was asking stupid questions... Tamera tried to be nice but Loni said exactly what I was thinking!!

[@patrickmwakitwange9623]

Eddy nope.... Jeannie knew exactly what she was doing

[@BabyGurlnJP]

@@patrickmwakitwange9623 She sure did. I guarantee you if the "model" had make-up that made her look asian to sell beauty products to the asian community, Jeannie would have a problem with it.

[@carriel9954]

I agree with you 100%. Loni and Tamera agreed. The only difference is their delivery.

[@astrella.moon_]

Adrienne didn't ask stupid questions though because if she's not mixed and if she's "supposedly not" doing a tan then how tf you look like that? 🤔

[@rosemaryngugi6328]

"Everybody wants our rhythms but you don't want our blues".Loni ain't having it!

[@veronicaivanova]

Oh, please Loni is always complaining of nothing. I am totally tired of her bs.

[@veronicaivanova]

@Scorpio Bradley, excuse me?

[@ricklgilmore962]

Rosemary Ngugi babyyyyyy!!

[@elasia.]

@Scorpio Bradley yes thank you. we have to educated those who don't know.

[@houstonhouston1839]

Yessss! She kept that in order!

[@kkayesa]

When Loni said “everyone wants our rhythm but nobody wants our blues” I screamed AMENNN🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Samuel115s]

Well of course, who the hell wants struggle, we all only want the good things 😂 Your struggles are not emma hallberge's problem, she is just trying to look good and make money.

[@realitygodifested]

Samuel115s the point your head

[@aakindiya268]

Literally had to go back to hear it again...words of wisdom 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@craz4jaymz]

Oh god, the black race isn't the only race that has suffered in the history of humankind. Everyone will take something from another race, it has happened in the past and will continue because it's the way of expanding and evolving.

[@pryorb987]

Princess Erykka I screamed PERIOD

[@PureAloha78]

Clearly Loni is super irritated in this segment!!!!!!! I don’t blame her.

[@nikkoleeful]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Tell em again sister. She is telling the truth.

[@donutsueme5937]

PureAloha78 me too.

[@lclack62]

Loni is not having it 😂😂get um girl!

[@lclack62]

@Mike Ken ??

[@Samirahsworld1]

Dr Boom they all wear fake hair for the show , end of the day Loni shows her natural hair sometimes on Instagram and posts pictures . She’s not trying to look another race she still looks black but try again

[@user-dy1nk1bf8v]

Jeannie COMPLETELY missed the point! Loni and Tamara keeping it real

[@melblose5244]

Both Adrienne and Jeannie missed the point. It's hard to relate when you're not black

[@EK-gt2xf]

Yep

[@graciealonadrewry4336]

there was no point other than to say your opinion and that's exactly what jeannie was doing

[@jeremiahtray5621]

Actually if you wasn't afraid of the truth. You would know Jeannie was keeping it all the way real and honest.

[@astrawulf1397]

I think they were just following their script

[@Sugafied08]

"Everybody wants our Rhythm, but doesn't want our Blues" you better preach Loni

[@theebillionairess3377]

Exactly someone needs to give her a Mic

[@gloria_o]

Silly Me i had to click my fingers because that was pureeee 🔥🔥🔥

[@MsDenise83]

Girl I must have caught the holy ghost when said that

[@Prettypinkpolish_]

Exactly

[@saddiqfavors6245]

@Dr Boom first people to have strait hair and blue eyes were black.

[@UnknownUnknown-yl1lt]

Loni: "Everybody wants our rhythm but they dont want our blues." Well said Loni! ✊

[@khalasoul]

✊🏾

[@shamarab4632]

It's already a saying

[@grateful1ne364]

YEAH THEY KNEW THE DIRECTION THIS SHOW WAS GOING INTO SO THEY GOT RID OF TAY TAY. THEY KNEW SHE WOULDN'T BE FAKE ON TOPICS LIKE THIS AND ADRIENNE'S TUNE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE UNDERSTANDING I BET. SHE FOLLOWED TAY LIKE A PUPPY. OR WAS IT TO STUDY A BLK WOMAN LIKE THE KARDASHIANS DO U KNOW SHE LOVES THEM

[@ss5187]

@Unknown Unknown some people just want tan skin. Doesn't have anything to do with race. When black people make their skin lighter nobody is saying they are trying to be white. Black people don't own dark skin.

[@KRIS-sh8wp]

@@shamarab4632 And what exactly does that have to do with the price of milk in China again??? #ijs

[@furiousblack1701]

"Everybody wants our rhythm and not our blues".

[@jamaicanqueen8681]

FURIOUS BLACK so true.

[@therarebreed]

Realest statement ever! 🙌🏼👏🏻

[@shan_5332]

🤯 WORD 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾😩

[@Heyletstalkaboutitt]

Say it again!!!!!!!!

[@ch1oe374]

how'd you spell "our" wrong and right in the same sentence

[@gresabela4102]

PATRICK STARR IS NOT THE SAME AS BLACKFACE.

[@sadieblack2013]

Greasy B. She didn’t say that

[@ShineOn132]

Exactly gender is fluid race is not 🙄

[@jabreabennett8597]

PREACH

[@kimberlyisaac6680]

Jeanni Mai made the comparison several times and included pictures. Jeanni even pointed at the picture of Patrick Starr to prove her point. Gender identity and race are two different subjects

[@MadMax-us9ih]

It was an example of people being on social media looking like something they're not naturally. Nobody is saying it was like race.

[@ashleya.7481]

Yessss Loni I felt that "Blues" Line 👏👏👏 Everybody wants to black until its time to be BLACK 💯

[@cherrisesue3859]

Ashley A.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@philisciaabayomi]

Felt that line in my soul 😩

[@Beautyprincess1213]

Exactly & prime example Tekashi 69 or 69 whatever he goes by lol

[@shainaj1391]

Ashley A. Me too, I loved when she said that 🙌🏾

[@tracytanner173]

loni and tamera are the only ones keeping it real

[@sarahbelc1746]

to me tamera was just in the wrong not know what was going on cuz the girl said she was white but tamera was like oh is she black or both but said she was white not black only loni was right in this one

[@jeremiahtray5621]

Actually Jeannie is to.

[@sexxiede]

Sarah Belc that wasn’t tamera

[@sarahbelc1746]

@@sexxiede yes it was

[@Dannie-My0wnReality]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@allenciadavis7372]

Why are they trying to play this down?? I respect Loni for holding it down. This is modern day black face PERIOD ‼️

[@aphiriyielord3221]

who is that lady IG handle any where curious

[@Venomenal91]

Aphiriyie lord search up Emma hallberg and she comes up, I’ll try find a link

[@melindac.flores3991]

So, when black women wear blond wigs, what's that called? JS 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@xoxojanyahxo923]

@@melindac.flores3991 black people can naturally grow blond hair you dummy

[@xoxojanyahxo923]

@@melindac.flores3991 are you stupid? Or just dumb?

[@moses12337]

Adrienne is acting quite stupid,Jeannie is confusing makeup with blackface and Loni and Tamera are speaking the TRUTH!!!!!

[@sheleneama5889]

Well they are more experienced because they are African Americans so I totally agree.

[@KK-pt5ns]

Georgi loves 💜 makeup is the same as “blackface” as she’s just wearing dark foundation after tanning. Ur hella dramatic. And Patrick does more than wear makeup, he has on fake looking chest, dresses, heels etc

[@carriel9954]

Jeannie irritated the crap out of me. Hopefully she has a different mindset and view since she’s about to have a biracial child.

[@person8520]

@@carriel9954 fr she tries to act black too and she has appropriated our culture too

[@ranitagadling4312]

@Georgi loves I seriously doubt that Adrienne is acting I mean since she grew up on Disney Channel I believe that she's just as stupid as any other of the former Disney Channel kid stars.

[@sirenaisthename4913]

non-black ppl always wanna make excuses for them wearing and portraying as black. blackface is not just makeup or being a drag queen. it's a deeper issue so let's not act like it's simply playing dress up.

[@marithamenace1880]

in a sense, if she is just living her life then why is there a problem,if she like her skin darker then why do we care,if we really are persistent ab our race why are attacking people about their skin color its literally something they cant change.but if she is 'blackfishing' then obviously its a problem.

[@jeremyceniza]

In the U.S or all over the world ? In the Philippines street performers paint their faces and bodies black when dancing ethnic dances of local tribes (of African origin) in Festivals. They do it to celebrate them.

[@amonaden2427]

I understand why loni is angry .... many many years ago white people will punish a black woman if she wants to dress like them especially in Europe & US ... now because black beauty is trendy every one wants to be black .. thank God I black since day one 😍😍

[@theglowup9623]

@@marithamenace1880 because she is literally being fraudulent in order to get oppertunities she does not deserve. She obviously realised she was an average looking whits girl but those features on dark skin is uplifted in the black community. The tanning is one thing but on top of that curli g your hair to look mixed??? Come on. She obviously does it to make money because it makes more than being white would. She encourages people to think she is black and takes oppertunities that someone else could have had. She didnt say anything when people would post her and call her a beautiful black/ mixed girl and she didnt say anything when she got given oppertunities on the premise that she was mixed. She didnt say actually im white. Hey its our fault too because white people are catching onto colourism and using it to their advantage. Thats not tanning thats actually brown skin she now has. Swedish people are known for being pale as hell, like the whitest

[@brendaboo7846]

Question out of curiosity..... black woman can lighten up and wear straight hair and it's ok.. but white woman can't wear curly hair and darken their skin ???

[@champagneoden7960]

Everyone wants our 'rhythm' but not our 'blues!'

[@paulinaportillo2741]

nobody wanna b black

[@luzannedeleeuw195]

This.

[@usernamenottaken2562]

Damn. That hit.

[@ayomidebraimoh9472]

lina gesile everybody wanna be black what are you talking about it's obvious

[@tanyawade5197]

I absolutely ADORE that quote!! It sums the whole thing up very succinctly. They want the best of what we are, but while they’re stealing it, they give no RESPECT ✊🏽 to black ppl, no support to our struggle. Read the twitter posts of some of these girls. They say the most VILE things about black women, then say they’re gonna get them a black man! And they do. All the while, tricking these simple black men into thinking they’re biracial. 🤦🏽‍♀️. Some of these brothas don’t even care that they are gentrifying our identity. They look good, that’s all that matters. Meanwhile, real black women are being rejected for being too black or not pretty enough, etc. I’m disgusted.

[@MrCarrilloCarlos]

Jeanie...no girl. Just no. Patrick shows himself as him. He uses a body/face as a canvas to illustrate art. He breaks down beauty from the normal male/female classification. He in points highlights beauty. The young lady is portraying herself as a black woman in which she is stealing a race. She doesn't highlight her white features. That's why all the other women shut her down REAL quick. See what I did there.

[@amynicole_3331]

Carlos Carrillo BUT WHATS THE DIFFERENCE

[@amynicole_3331]

Gender and race are both identifiable factors of a persons appearance. To say that race is off limits while gender isn’t is a little closed minded.

[@MrCarrilloCarlos]

No. While she can wipe off the oppression off her face and continue to live a normal life. There will always be a difference. Patrick can also wipe off the feminine attributes but cannot live a "privileged" life right after. Like I said. He highlights while she steals.

[@Sabrina-ip5gw]

​@@amynicole_3331 People who dress hyperfeminine/hypermasculine aren't trying to convince their audience that they're actually a different gender. Everyone knows Patrick Starr is a guy. No one realized this girl was white because she was purposefully disguising herself as a black person and earning a living off of it too.

[@danielledefreitas2021]

+Amy Nicole the difference is it is not a secret that Patrick Starr is a man. He shows you himself in true form that he is male. He has a video of him shaving his beard for crying out loud. This girl was hiding the fact that she is white because she wanted to profit off of looking ethnic/exotic. We would have never seen the picture on the left if it was not revealed. Then the excuses came. That's the difference.

[@nijerikagreen8033]

“Everybody wants our rhythm, but they don’t want our blues.” The MOST iconic quote ever, and SO SO true 💯!

[@ReisWorld]

Why does she keep comparing this with patickstarr it's not the same....

[@chukie30]

Reis World exactly...dressing up is not the same as this young lady and others pretending to be a different race.

[@theessenceofglow7324]

Lmaooo so true like ppl dont confuse him with a woman we know this is not a woman

[@CC-si3cr]

I guess Jeannie doesn't get it. This isn't a beauty thing. Besides, we ALL know that Patrickstarrr is a man up front. No one had to ask him. He wasn't trying to hide his gender. IDK what is being taught in Sweden when it comes to race and ethnicity. To most of the world it seems to be a fairly white-washed country.

[@belindabella6362]

She trying to compare male & women to white & colored . But it ain’t it 😂😂😂

[@aaliyahbush9012]

Reis World THANK YOU

[@yoditan]

I am a black girl from Sweden and I can tell you right know that a tan would last a maximum of 2-3 weeks after a vacation. She still looks like that and aint to way she could still look like that and say she got that skin colour from the sun. The sun in Sweden goes a way in October and comes back in March. Meaning the sun is only up for a couple hours. Go educate yourself on blackface and the history of black people around the world and maybe then you could understand why this is wrong and racist. SHE IS WHITE BTW.

[@mylesyamada7633]

Yodit Yohannes lmfao the white dont wanna here the truth that you speaking

[@Samuel115s]

Even if the tan is fake, so what??? Tanning is a beauty trend that white girls having been doing since forever and they ain't gonna stop juat cuz your little feelings are hurt and you screem RACISM lol.

[@b.o2590]

@@Samuel115s no they are saying it's wrong how she is claiming black beauty like tamera said she was on social media and people were like celebrating black beauty and they were celebrating her too and she isn't black but she isn't tryna correct it that's what's wrong , and tbh that's more just getting a tan she goes in and tries to tan really really dark and you should love your own skin, I mean everyone do you but you should love your own skin

[@LifeWithYah]

Yodit Yohannes thank you babe

[@LVIRL]

Tanning lotion

[@DaeLouiseBeauty]

The real should’ve mentioned Asian fishing. They’re so out the loop. Twitter called that out as well. White women posing as Asian women. Even editing their eyes. I wonder what Jeanie view would’ve been if she saw that.

[@mimzeez5]

That's a little different. I'm not saying this is right but anyone can tan but changing your eyes is different.

[@LaurenBruno-j8t]

People change the way the look about themselves to what they think is beautiful or what they admire. If you have straight hair you want it curly, if you have brown hair you want it blonde, if your pale you want tan skin. Everyone wants at least one thing different and if not then at least just to change it up. Also its been the other way around for so long with asian women wanting to get "whiter" features by making their eyes bigger and other face modifications. Everyone is uniquely different and its sad when we cant just appreciate our natural beauty

[@DaeLouiseBeauty]

It’s all the same. Portraying something that you’re clearly now. When it comes down to appropriating a race. Same thing. The issue is you all excuse when it’s done to block people.

[@DaeLouiseBeauty]

*black

[@DaeLouiseBeauty]

Lauren bruno look st the history as to why they viewed that. It’s not that simple

[@NeneKennedy]

With questions like "would I be considered 'blackfishing'?" (because of my bronzed summer complexion), I can't help but feel like Adrienne often "plays dumb". An unpreventable, seasonal tan is very different than intentionally darkening your skin and texturizing your hair.

[@QueenChastity]

Yeah she knew that! The bitch just wanted to play stupid.

[@joymcneal9054]

Exactly!!!

[@mengmeiqi6965]

She’s following a script

[@mengmeiqi6965]

Chastity B. She’s following a script.

[@jackieluv2090]

I don’t think she is playing dumb, I agree with A and Jeanie. Where do we distinguish the difference. I was always called “white wash” because of my hair color and my style, so to me this is so dumb.

[@jamiehenson4839]

Jenni wtf?!!! Black women are not a 'costume' for others to try on! Stop accepting cultural appropriation

[@cinnamonstar808]

Jamie... I believe they were trying to avoid that elephant in the room ( notice nobody said that word)

[@Fgttn0009]

Be Honest I mean...Indian women valunterly shave their head to give it away to their gods. European traders just make sure that hair and potential money don't go to waste so the hair is transformed and sold as wigs, weave, etc. As for white Brazilian women... I don't think we can say for sure that they all have the hair that most ppl buy. Not everyone wants straight hair and of they did they wouldn't get it from white ppl. Hate to break it to ya but hair texture isn't exclusive to one race (except afro texture)

[@jamiehenson4839]

@Be Honest first off, many jobs/schools do not accept our natural hair. I actually do wear my hair natural. Also many people get perms to make their hair curly too. The point is that she's changing her skin color!!!! I've never had a master, so stop being an ignorant bigot!

[@kaylalouis2545]

Why when black people bleaching their skin...white people never say anything..only black American women think is a big deal......nohardfeeling.

[@jamiehenson4839]

@@kaylalouis2545 that's another segment that needs its own video. They're ridiculous too! They hate themselves so much, they'll poison themselves to look light skinned/white. The reason I commented, I don't like when people try to make excuses for people exploiting people.

[@Laila-jn7eq]

They want black women's features, but still want to keep their privilege. At the end of the day she can wipe that off before a job interview or even to go out in the public and not have to worry about being discriminated against like actual BLACK women. Loni was the only one that kept it REAL!

[@HEALTHNHAPPINESS]

Right!

[@derricknregina]

Laila that was a great comment.

[@jneezypv]

Jeannie is getting a strong side eye from me. This woman is straight profiting from looking racially ambiguous.

[@Dark8Empress]

This is exactly why Tamar used to give Jeanine the side eye. She has warped views when it comes to Black culture and racism. She has a stereotype of Black men being thugs because that is who she dated and she consistently makes excuses for racism because she just doesn't get it. There is a lot of racism towards Black ppl from Asians and as Maya Angelou said , "Racism is insidious" it shapes how you think, so even when you try not to be racist, growing up in an environment that perpetuates racist ideas will impact you. I think this is what has happened to Jeanine. What she is doing is the equivalent of Mansplaining but with race. She needs to hush and listen to the Black women educating her at the table.

[@theelolicious9302]

@@Dark8Empress you said that so well I'm shook

[@vivianev6287]

@@Dark8Empress I've said this! (Minus the Tamar part) and people didn't *want* to get it. Why is it sooooo difficult to believe that some of her mother's thinking is in her brain and logic? Who knows how her father, brothers and rest of her family think. Jeannie may be different but at various moments you realise, if you're willing to be honest, that she's not *that* different.

[@demibellini6915]

Because Jeannie profits from ACTING racially ambiguous. She likes to “act black” and by that I mean what people stereotypically think black people act like.

[@Vampire54Princess]

Guys.....shes purpsfullu looking at it from a different perspective. I do that all the time but my beliefs on something always stay the same. For example, I looked at voting for Trump from a different perspective and understood why people voted for him, BUT I will never support or be okay w Trump as our president. Got it? That's what Jeannie does

[@babyletaaa]

everytime loni talks, everyone applauds. i love it

[@valermink]

Love the bappo reference in your username.

[@johnkamau146]

Yes, coz she rocks

[@melaninqueen5613]

Cause she’s speaking the truth

[@rnbxdestinystrinity2785]

She's woke thats why👏

[@phenixaiden8522]

That’s because she has common sense

[@cherijames9895]

I think people need to stop telling black people how to feel about their pain

[@Samuel115s]

And people need to stop telling women what they can and can't do to their bodies.

[@fayy3940]

Period

[@user-rb3ow9jv1e]

Frrr👏🏽👏🏽

[@dreamergirlbaby]

For real ! If you are a non-Black person who tf are you to tell me how to feel about my blackness or black issues.

[@kayleenrodriguez6235]

dreamergirlbaby if that’s the case then you can never have an opinion about immigration if your not an immigrant and can’t have an opinion on woman rights if your a man. And also about “telling us how to feel” no ones telling you how to feel. They are simply stating their own opinions. You control how you feel.

[@Andreahunxhobred]

“Every one wants a our rhythm but don’t want our blues”. True words spoke by Loni

[@bonolomarumo7505]

You can't use foundation that's 20 shades darker then claim you like looking a bit tan like FOH

[@bmarie5509]

Bonolo Marumo THANK YOU ! That’s what I’m saying. If she wants a slight tan she would go 1 maybe 2 shades darker not 10-20shades darker. If she was as she claims “making money off of her style “ then she would wear her natural skin color. She’s doing this so she can appeal to be a black women and make money off of a lie

[@foreignmely2342]

FACTSSS

[@terriz.2981]

EXACTLY!!!

[@SaraDreams1337]

Most beauty gurus has or still use foundation that don't match them cause it's too dark, also the other way around with too light...so what are those called? its makeup for Christ sake

[@bonolomarumo7505]

@@SaraDreams1337 name a beauty guru that wears foundation that's 10 shades darker than their original skin tone. I'm waiting.

[@PrincetonLover4eva]

Loni is the only one making valid points right now!!!! This was so frustrating to listen to

[@alliandrabennett1703]

Bruh

[@Thundercats65]

Oh please She screams like she is on the hill Bitter woman

[@melaninmagic8742]

@@Thundercats65 Your comment makes zero sense. Come back when you can write a proper sentence.

[@carriel9954]

Tamera actually was siding with loni. Idk if you watched part 1. Tamera made several good points. Jeannie is the one being ignorant. And Adrienne acting slow.

[@WarmongerYT]

So genuine question - So if it bothers u a white girl being so tan / dark , then how to u feel about black women on a daily basis wearing Blonde, sleek , straight wigs all the time? Is that not white fishing?

[@laangelpeterson8857]

Lets have a moment to appreciate REAL BLACK & AFRICAN AMERICAN Women&Girls❤❤❤ I 100% agree with Loni and what she said 👏👏👏

[@rainandpetalsss6244]

True

[@seekthekingdom6286]

🥳

[@jacksawyer8494]

Yes and let's appreciate beautiful white women like Emma.

[@charliehmmm9400]

Or just Black Women in general because of all us aren't African-American

[@Daniella1117]

@@charliehmmm9400 THANK YOU

[@traceypugh9427]

No Jeannie. Its black fishing. PERIOD

[@angelina.castillo.2072]

Your blind

[@Christina-yh8vf]

@@angelina.castillo.2072 how tho 🤔

[@ghostgurl101]

Oh my gosh Jeanie fuckin hell

[@MrMrgunnar]

Tracey Pugh Omg educate yourself 😂😂 I’m Icelandic and even I can tan like that ☀️ and I know that a lot of Nordic people tan really well, whilst other simply don’t 🤷🏽‍♂️ (Live in Norway✌🏽)

[@ghostgurl101]

@@MrMrgunnar but does you hair curl like that when you tan?

[@ashleystyles6636]

That just it being black is not a costume it’s who I am I can’t wipe my skin off

[@TheMimi904]

That's what loni should hv said to the other chick

[@riotgirl4227]

Wtf? I'm so confused! 🤦 Yes I'm that white, I can't even tell. FML.

[@lmgeranaeava9749]

YES

[@hoppy325]

Damn your pretty 😭😭😭

[@ginettep904]

The same could be said about women. Gender is not a costume its who I am yet you have men dressing like women as if they can understand women struggles but no one says anything about that.

[@aquilaanderson3051]

Jeanie is trying to sugar coat or play nice what dont u understand? This is black fishing!!

[@joycezale5433]

Maybe because she's one of those girls

[@alannanance8414]

If she was pretending to be a Vietnamese woman and was white, Jeannie would not have pose the question about it being apart of the Beauty industry. You do not cross the race line when it has literally been one of the biggest downfalls of our society. Black features on black women makes us ugly and unprofessional but on white women it makes them beautiful. That’s a huge part of where the problem is with this.

[@jasmontrell7236]

Alanna Nance say it louder for the ppl in the back 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@angalenacintron7048]

That's because nobody is trying to be vietnamese.... so she dont get it....

[@Samirahsworld1]

Factsss

[@Samirahsworld1]

Zaida Cintron don’t know if you’re living under a rock but white girls have been exposed as pretending to be asian to and messing with the shape of their eyes to look asian it was ridiculous

[@FitnessSweets]

Zaida Cintron There's a lot of white girls trying to be East Asian. Weebs.

[@mariaddis9341]

Stop comparing black women straightening their hair to what this woman is doing!!! She is deliberately changing her look to identify as a black girl and monetize it! Point blank period.

[@giuliana7788]

Mari Addis she never said she was black tho (: she clearly said she was white

[@AshleeLoveit]

Mari Addis yes said loud and clear girl!! Wow the comments section here... intense

[@mariaddis9341]

@@giuliana7788 Read my comment again please.

[@shallyngreene3726]

Mari Addis exactly thank you!

[@chico4631]

Mari Addis I guess people can’t get tans now and curl there hair it’s just a skin color get over it why do everyone wanna make it a black or white thing

[@naikadumorne5643]

Jeanie..try again...Adrienne why the confusion? Loni the only one that got it straight🤷🏾‍♀️

[@traceytrace6210]

Where is Tamar :)

[@auntmelisa8689]

Her father naturally gets that dark tho?!?! Check her insta

[@dianamunoz4296]

Bitch shut up

[@yuricruz9672]

Stop wearing others people hair then if u love it black look so much

[@andresmirelez6547]

Yup

[@favourozoemelam421]

Damn she’s darker than me with two black parent. Does it make sense? NO

[@BabyKush420]

This is not the same as drag, Jeannie. you had NO valid points.

[@danielblanco110]

BabyKush YES SHE DID! she said that BEAUTY is a form of expression. And that people don’t mean any harm when they do things

[@baonhithan5574]

You are right! Jeanie have a point, beauty is a form of expression. The girl probably want to express the beauty of race in other cultures not just African Americans :). Patrick Star is an influencer in beauty industry, he is most beautiful man in the whole entire world. Jeanie have a valid point of saying beauty is the imagination playground for people who want to express themselves.

[@brir5527]

Blanco Tv She didn’t make any freaking sense black face is wrong period

[@danielblanco110]

Bri R that is YOUR opinion, I have MINE

[@Gabbyromero]

She definitely said “but they’re not drag” but go off sis

[@danastirling9294]

I love that "everybody wants our Rythm and not our blues"

[@BogusBozo]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@AjaDarling]

Listen. It’s not hard to understand. Loni said it perfectly. They want our rhythm, but don’t want our blues. It isn’t right. Period!!!

[@mariama.1538]

well said

[@deephillips6964]

Couldn't have sd it better myself

[@AjaDarling]

Mario Portillo Gomez why do you think that they feel the need to do this? Maybe because they live in a society where there are Eurocentric beauty standards. They are trying to assimilate. This is also sad and disappointing. But that girl is clearly appropriating. There’s a big difference. The sooner we learn this the better.

[@jessicajames6277]

I don’t understand why black people always try and justify themselves by saying that everybody else wants to be them. Truth is, we don’t want to be you. Not be be mean but we don’t. It’s like fat girls trying to say they have curves and skinny girls look like boys. Point it, you don’t have to justify your own beauty by trying to put other people under you.

[@AjaDarling]

Jessica Martin White ppl do not have the world telling them that they aren’t beautiful. Black/Brown girls experience this. It doesn’t matter who feels a way. Don’t call something we have ugly and then imitate it. It just doesn’t make sense. Other races doesn’t know what it feels like to be us in this world. Really wish people could experience it for one day.

[@lisaagbegir6093]

After looking at this girls page she is definitely guilty. She looks dark in all her pictures is she gonna say she's been on vacation every single time?

[@Vankotimanusvanij]

lisa agbegir apparently she goes on vacation a lot 🙄. She is pretty though

[@thezu9250]

She straight up has videos showing herself putting in dark make up.

[@Emma-xz8fo]

Drag is not the same as blackface omg!!! Let’s shut that riiiight tf down

[@hotwaterisspicy]

Emma this needs more likes.

[@jakejosh3322]

She's not comparing it to drag..... God!!! She was talking about transformation and then mentioned drag as these men use makeup to turn themselves into something completely different

[@jessicaspezzano5678]

Hes not a drag queen

[@kekosama]

Jeannie was being ridiculous with that comparison 😐

[@Twenty5KDiamond]

No but I personally have always felt that it was an over dramatization of women which doesn't appropriately represent women. So, in my opinion it's similar. I don't have an issue with it, and thus, I don't have an issue with her. If people can have an operation because they are no longer comfortable being their gender, this kind of stuff will happen as well. Because they're are A LOT of people who hate their skin color. And it is possible to not like your skin and still be on with your race.

[@pertuia]

i am upset with the rest of the girls tring to defend this woman

[@JP0411]

starz isidore as you can see they are not black! They just can’t seem to grasp it at all

[@elishab4506]

SAME

[@UnknownUnknown-yl1lt]

I was upset as well..but girl Loni held it down for us sistas this episode! She definitely got the point across that this is indeed "blackfishing" and that it is wrong to do. Period.

[@cherrisesue3859]

Right! With the exception of Loni I don’t understand why they were all acting so confused by this. This woman in my opinion is no better than Rachel dolezal. I would even go so far as to say it’s worse because even though she was deceptive Rachel actually assisted the black community with her activism- as delusional as she was . This IG model is making herself look at least racially ambiguous as this is what the IG “models” of the day look like now. Curly hair, caramel complexion, big lips. She’s profiting off of a “look”/ that isn’t primarily associated with her ethnicity. And if what ppl in the comments are saying regarding her being featured on black pages and not correcting them is true then she is being deceptive as well.

[@cherrisesue3859]

Nora Rosario Most, if not all of the ppl you named have been dragged tirelessly for that. Particularly Michael and Kim. Ppl have been calling Chyna out and renamed her “White Chyna”. Not sure why you would say ppl don’t speak abt skin bleaching. Yes it goes both ways

[@abluesfornina_]

sit this one out, Jeannie.

[@Gelicaa.2]

I mean everyone is free to state an opinion

[@sarahp.3772]

Lol

[@imsojessicanichole3853]

Yea jeannie irritated me in this segment

[@vickiegodfrey7676]

@Tamika Payne , yes they do. I've read 2 articles about those people doing that. I refuse to go to Chinese resturants and Chinese nail shops.

[@priceygirl.b2434]

Aysha Janae exactly

[@salvy8705]

Jeannie needs to be quiet, she has no clue what it feels like or what she is saying 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@memshinlamed9079]

Shut up..u jus mad shes better looking than u

[@salvy8705]

Michelle Moulton 😂😂😂😂😂😂you’re actually a joke, sorry that you can’t see it😂

[@daijonbostick7348]

@@memshinlamed9079 you sound dum as hell

[@kinibini6448]

And what it feels like? Come on, let's not act like only black ppl can understand a black person's anger. And anyway I don't see why it's soo bad like sure, it is weird and she's lying but it's not like she's targeting black ppl it's kind of a compliment in some weird way..

[@kinibini6448]

@Vonte Stevenson I think it's easy : imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, her intention was not to insult black ppl but to become one ( yes I do find it weird and don't agree with it) if she hated black people or wanted to insult them she wouldn't be posing as one

[@keyyfinesse8677]

You cant compare Patrick star too a wanna be “BLACK”. Bye girl

[@BuffyunaTV]

why? She never said she was black and patrick never said he was a woman. Yet they both play around and dress up as if they are for coin't....sounds the same to me.

[@ts5683]

Keyy Finesse Patrick Star is a QUEEN 👸🏾 but wtf is that girl doing 🤦🏾‍♀️ whyyyyy do this

[@ts5683]

1 bruhhh

[@SadieRayy88]

Ok, so what about Michael Jackson whitefacing?

[@Spongebob12xc]

Keyy Finesse she didn’t you twat. Her point was makeup allows transformation. Beauty industry is about influence and creativity.you have to be able to hear all sides of the spectrum before you decide what makes sense to you. Clearly the girl is blackfishing but I also see Jeanie’s points as well.

[@hey34]

"Everyone want our rhythm but you don't want our blues." - Loni Love

[@annawalcott7487]

Loni keep it 💯👏 👏👏 👏👏 👏 in other words she making money for being portray as a black person , she not making no money on the color of her own skin as a white woman. This story is nothing new. What make it worse is that she knew it was wrong to portray as a black people and said nothing because of money. What people do for fame.

[@camrysteward4753]

Jeannie “points” dismisses the black experience and that is not okay.

[@phenixaiden8522]

I’m getting tired of her. She does all of the time when comes to black issues. She needs to stfu 😒

[@Lyric_Hyp]

And she’s married to a black man so I’m really disturbed

[@sasakayy]

She needs to show us her childhood photos thats all (Edit: Photos of Her being "tan")

[@dezharag.8330]

Sasa Kay she looked like a white girl that had curly hair

[@TiaLoveex3]

She did, she had naturally curly hair

[@igifysab6814]

YoGirl Tia not black girl curly hair tho.

[@maeellen7183]

She can get her dna tested and it will show if your african or not and your ancestors

[@siennax3710]

Sasa Kay LMFAO HEY MALISSA 💀😂

[@fabio5102]

I disagree with Jeannie. Makeup is meant to enhance one's beauty and features, no alter your appearance to the point where you look like a completely different person. This is blackfishing

[@kayleenrodriguez6235]

Fabi O so your against drag?

[@sweetz9325]

Drag is weird. Lol

[@queenmo1105]

Fabi O the same thing she’s saying about Patrick star can be used against her, she ain’t coming on camera barefaced as her natural authentic self. However these insta models are getting recognition over looking racially ambiguous with features that is commonly associated with black people and that’s what she fails to understand.

[@lisasaytee7557]

I agree with you she said inhance beauty features buh sis is white what features are you inhancing to look black

[@fabio5102]

@@kayleenrodriguez6235 I was referring to the girl that is altering her appearance to look black. What she's doing is blackfishing imo.

[@elasia.]

"Everybody wants our Rhythm but you don't want our Blues" !!!!!! YES LONI

[@poojakumaraguru8641]

elasia hey can you explain what that meant ? I am Indian and I don't understand what those words meant.

[@lovelightlg9888]

@@poojakumaraguru8641 It means everyone wants to imulate or appropriate some things about Black culture, but by ' they dont want our blues' she means that nobody wants to experience the injustices of living in this skin. For example, she tans or bronzes herself and texturizes her hair to garner attention on Instagram, but does she walk around in life letting people assume she's a woman of color? NOPE! She quickly clarified that she is indeed White. It's the flavor, the swag, and style she's appropriating.

[@dancinonasmoothedge]

elasia didn’t she say that!!!!!!!!! It’s true too!!! Everybody wants to mimic us.

[@elasia.]

@@poojakumaraguru8641 Love&LightLG explained it well. Sorry I didn't see your comment until now.

[@malaisahtrophy7640]

Why is Jeanie even speaking , she will never be able to relate to black women 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@feefs2139]

💯💯💯💯

[@patrickmwakitwange9623]

Deep down.... I really think that she thinks she is superior

[@dimplefacedee1001]

Period....

[@candac6251]

They're on a talk show, tho.

[@cloudmelanin3796]

@N those are totally two different things ...

[@lexi6797]

Aren't they supposed to be giving their real opinions? it always seems like they're skirting around issues by acting very dense...its annoying to watch them at times.

[@kiyanas1063]

Exactly, thank goodness for loni on this one.

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

Don't nobody wanna see 4 people talking about the same opinion over and over again for 10 minutes. The whole point of a debate is to represent as many notable opinions and include the perspectives that may not have representation at the table.

[@yabc219]

Exactly! This is why I stopped watching. They never seem to say how they truly feel; keeping it light and PC. I'm not saying be negative or rude but it's okay to have your opinion and justify it or point out when something just doesn't sit well with you.

[@paigelovette8156]

With the exception of Loni.

[@shinyjewelsz]

You talkin' bout Adrienne.

[@helenntlokwana2652]

Jeannie and Adrienne is completely making no sense. Loni is keeping it REAL

[@iammzjuicy5212]

Helen Ntlokwana Jeannie wasn't making any sense at all Adrienne was trying but fail miserably

[@KikiW89]

When trying to sound smart Fails Lmbo

[@minenoturs4271]

3:49 Jennie! HE *IS* being HimSelf like Noo dude .like iget what ur saying but .my thing is these are Two DIFFRENT situations -or am iWrong??-

[@JJ-3333]

Helen Ntlokwana Na they are the main ones making sense

[@turtlewithcoke]

That is NOT a sun tan. It's fake tan. Look at her picture....look at her hands. CLEARLY a fake tan.

[@gigi-gu2ni]

Laura LaFuente People ( including me) can get as tanned as her just saying

[@JayJay-ge9sm]

@@gigi-gu2ni All over and so evenly?

[@gigi-gu2ni]

Jay Jay yes and it only takes me 2 weeks( because im italian) but since i live in switzerland where it rains all the time im pale af

[@JayJay-ge9sm]

@@gigi-gu2ni begs the question, how long does her tan last and does she have that tan all year round or do we also see pale pics of her too?

[@gigi-gu2ni]

Jay Jay thats a good question tbh ( mine goes away after 2-3 months)

[@shanikamyers2897]

I wanna just shake Genie sometimes!!!! She needs to stop if she was portraying Asian she might feel different about it

[@ashleytomlinson7596]

Why is sis comparing her to Patrick star... we’re talking about race here shishter, thts not an appropriate comparison

[@Lululululee]

why not? she is not pretending to be black she is just playing with tanning and makeup.

[@brandymartinez7751]

It upsets me that he is playing the female card but doesn't go through the pain we do same as the fact that some African Americans are skin bleaching and only the tanning ones are being attacked

[@Andr3music]

@@brandymartinez7751 he is a drag queen who sings dance and entertains dressed in womans fashion I didnt know being a drag queen was the same thing as trying to be a woman and thats not tanning sis.

[@brandymartinez7751]

@@Andr3music he isn't a drag queen lol he is a beauty guru sis he dresses as a female 24/7 being a female isn't a costume and he is making money by being a female not a man like good for him I love him but it's not okay to attack that girl when they don't attack people playing other genders races like Michael Jackson or that spice girl for white-face it's not ok

[@Andr3music]

@@brandymartinez7751 The difference is, is that fashion has no gender nor does make up and he makes his money from make up not being a woman and Michael Jackson had Vitiligo and I didnt pay that much attention to the spice girls so idk about that but what you're not gonna do is act like white facing is a thing when black facing actually has a history of actors and actresses AND cartoons of white people pretending to be and/or mocking black people. also I knew he wasnt a drag queen I was just stating and also he actually sells merchandise that girl just lied about tanning herself on vacation.

[@TheLesbianPriestess]

Am I the only one confused on what was hard to understand? This was so OBVIOUS yet only one person (Loni) at the table fully understood. There really wasn’t anything to debate...Yikes🤦🏾‍♀️

[@daricnd]

Because she's the only true black women.. Only the ones going through the struggle can truly understand the pain

[@BuffyunaTV]

Its cause they were too scared to say what they really wanted to say because they would offend Loni and the rest of the crowd. Fact is black women are "white fishing" every day by wearing straight blond wigs and contouring their noses to look like a completely different shape. Even the so called "natural" black weave wearers are still exotical or mixed fishing cause you hardly ever see them with a 4c kinky curly wig, its usually that loose tracie ellis ross weave.

[@xoox6492]

There is multiple "blackfishing" and it's not ok. You can't transform yourself to a black girl and get paid for being a black girl when you're not a black girl!!! I really disagree with Jeannie here, 🙅.

[@seinabm.8099]

PREACH!!!

[@lauraavalos6554]

She never said she was black. Even if she did see that page full of black women that page should of made sure she was black. What if the page put an indian America or some other race that looked black. Would yall still hate on the that person cause they didnt state their race if they look black

[@maerunway8694]

She isn't trying to be black fgs! She is legit a white girl that tans, why is this a shock lmao. What black girl looks like her? The problem is Americans love calling everyone with a touch of colour black so you assume anyone who has colour in their skin is black or wants to be black

[@xoox6492]

Reina De corazones She isn't mixed, asian, or middle eastern. My point is she is going out of her way to achieve a look that is not her.

[@xoox6492]

Mae Runway Pull the wool from over your eyes, hunny.

[@luluthomehlomakulu3181]

Jeannie and Adrienne are going to make me not like them real quick 😭

[@devinaferguson1622]

Jeannie just hush girl. There’s no justification

[@miznikki2u]

What the actual hell Jeannie. You lost me. There is a difference between being a Drag Queen and outright black facing. Smh.

[@kayleenrodriguez6235]

Nichole T I genuinely don’t see the difference could you explain?

[@Fan_Girl-xd8wy]

I don't get why it's such a drama if a white girl likes the way she looks when she is tanned but if a Black girl wears wigs, straights her hair or dyes her hair to look blonde no one cares or even say that she looks beautiful and confident. Let her look however she likes and get a life. Loni is such an hypocrite pointig out that that girl's hair ain't natural while she is wearing a fucking wig EVERYDAY

[@ggreenidge7899]

Go read about colorism u twat and white supremacy and caste systems

[@mariemillien5748]

valentina charlo wigs, straight hair, blond hair, dyes, do not belong to only one race. White people don’t have ownership over that. So it’s not the same thing.

[@kayjay6908]

Also, there’s a difference between appropriation and assimilation. There’s more to why black women straighten their hair and other things.

[@Misaamanenoir]

being black isn't a different look

[@alizemartinez8881]

If I was Lonnie I would not of been able to keep my composure . I’m not even a black woman and this enraged me because of how clueless the other women are acting .

[@alizemartinez8881]

And the way Jeanie is trying to compare it to drag, is so fucking dense .

[@oftones]

She isn’t the same as patrickstar. It’s not the same Jeannie. Period

[@RenieNostalgic]

Toni Woodburn Agreed! Absolute rubbish.

[@justtogetpast]

Purple Bird no one ever has looked at Patrick Star thought he was a woman lmfao, and he has never presented himself as woman. He simply wears make up and wears dresses which we see is inherently feminine. He’s a man at the end of the day. This girl literally fronted as a racially ambiguous woman and capitalized off of people thinking she was some exotic racially ambiguous woman when she’s really a pale skinned fully Scandinavian woman underneath all that bronzer. One is living in his truth and the other was living a lie.

[@justtogetpast]

Purple Bird who’s letting what slide? Have you even watched the full video lmfao. And the idea of “imitating” and the connotation of it doesn’t apply to both, your lack of nuance is nauseating.

[@justtogetpast]

Purple Bird as I said, your utter lack of nuance is nauseating. And you conveniently skipped past my question. But that’s okay. 👌🏽

[@elishab4506]

I really commend Loni for keeping her composure because I wouldve went off on Adrienne and Jeannie. This is so obviously modern day blackface or now "blackfishing."

[@The_waterbearer]

I don’t understand why Patrick Starr is being brought up in this conversation. I hate this narrative he’s “impersonating” a woman🤦🏾‍♂️. Very poor choice of words. Patrick is being himself PERIODT!!!!!!!!!!🙅🏾‍♂️. This woman however is impersonating a black or biracial woman. Why do y’all wanna look like us so bad, but don’t want the struggle that comes with our skin?

[@kiyanas1063]

Right, and with people like this weirdo chick, why is it never self hate with them? but only black ppl (which yes is true in many cases) but i'm talking the ones who have to by default assimilate to straight hair in this still racist society that has 'deemed' our nature hair as "unkept" or "inappropriate" for the work place or school if worn down,. still seen as "unattractive" and "nappy" nasty words that whites don't have to deal with an they can freely have their hair anyway they want to wear it.

[@The_waterbearer]

KiReene S FACTS SIS👏🏾👏🏾they wanna act like we do the same thing to them so bad we straighten our hair or wear weave. Like no fam there is a difference between appropriation and assimilation 🙅🏾‍♂️

[@Marymylifemylove]

Ismaaeel Lee I wouldn’t be surprised if he says something later. There is no correlation between the two and when she said “naturally” I cringed. He is honest and true.

[@BuffyunaTV]

Why does patrick want to look like a woman so bad but doesn't want the struggles of being a woman?? The same stuff you spew at her can be thrown right back to Patrick and the rest of the drag community. How do yall not see that Drag and Blackface are the same damn thing?? The intellectual dishonesty is disturbing in the black community.

[@The_waterbearer]

ThickStick Patrick is not a drag queen🤦🏾‍♂️. He’s a androgynous male who wears makeup for creative expression. There’s a HUGE difference. Makeup and clothes DO NOT belong to a specific gender, that’s just what society has ingrained in our heads. ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! These are two COMPLETELY different topics that do not compare. Quit trying to silence POCS!!!!🙅🏾‍♂️🙅🏾‍♂️

[@symoneleslie4396]

It just seem like to me that Adrian thinks its so far fetch that a woman would want to portray a black women smh.

[@jannatgrewal7373]

Nah I think she's just shook how picture 1 turned into picture 2. I'm shook too, I literally paused the video and stared at the picture for 10 mins and I still thinks it's not the same person. She doesn't get how she got that dark naturally and I wanna say makeup but it looks like her entire body.

[@saramichele7366]

Bcs Adrienne wishes she was a black woman 😂

[@wowsi7757]

Nah I think those are your own assumptions being played into it, I think she was just genuinely confused at the underlining reason as to WHY someone who tans and curls their hair- is wrong. When loni explained its that’s why towards the end she got it.

[@FeliciaNicole_]

Patrick Star wearing makeup is literally no comparison to her wearing black face. Jeannie tried it. Loni kept it all the way real no sugarcoats. “Everybody wants our rhythm but not our blues!”

[@Twenty5KDiamond]

Why not, intelligently explain the difference? There are plenty of women who do not like or approve of many wearing makeup etc to look like women. So, what. is. the. difference?

[@rhoda4253]

​@@Twenty5KDiamondI personally do not see the difference than pretending to be a woman/ presenting as a woman or pretending/presenting as another race. Because even if she put a disclaimer across all her pics people are seeing her as a black woman. You can't see her as anything else. And if she only addresses it when asked...

[@destiny8128]

@@rhoda4253 he is not pretending to be a woman he knows he is a man and identifies as a man he just likes to feel beautiful and makeup isnt only for women its really not its for anyone who wants to be pretty! he is not transgender someone who changed his gender he is just a man with makeup dont compare blackfish someone being racist and mimicking black peoples skin color to a man wearing makeup

[@user-up8if5ll6k]

Loni is the only one preaching facts. Come on man

[@bmoh7162]

Ikr. Loni always keep it 100

[@jackiem3740]

Tamera tried

@@jackiem3740 Tamera is pathetic

[@jackiem3740]

​@ i mostly agree but she seemed to have tried in this moment, although i side-eyed her when she said, "cause i have black in me", it made me question whether she identifies as black which i thought she & her sister did.

[@BigSeanTheDon]

It’s blackface. Period.

[@striving1]

Agreed

[@kenyapablo4118]

Don’t Compare P Starr To Her😂💯 Two Totally Different Things

[@erynsdream5826]

Jeanie really disappointed me wow😬loni the only real one up there💯

[@zephballentine]

Patrick Star? Why is that even a comparison? He wears makeup yes, but he don’t alter his skin color. But of course she wouldn’t understand

[@sashajunco8694]

Shut up

[@jeremiahtray5621]

He changes his whole sex. It's the same thing.

[@tolualabi5965]

@@jeremiahtray5621 Patrick starr doesn't pretend to be who he isn't

[@jeremiahtray5621]

@@tolualabi5965 Nither does the girl who paints her face. It's all the same. Anybody that doesn't agree are in denial and simply retarded.

[@fairyzamm]

@@jeremiahtray5621are you fucking stupid? Gender and blackface isn't the same thing.

[@ayodamolaa]

*_1:02_**_ it's not about beauty it's about making more money for being something you're not, it's about pretending to be black and not facing the stigma that comes with it and when problems for black women/men, people arise that's when the truth comes out, that you're not black. Blackface/blackfishings/culture appropriation are 'trends' that honestly need to die in 2018. Be yourself. Stop copping our culture if that's not what you are._*

[@crouskarin]

Nancy I would really like your opinion on my question, I hope you could give me some insight: "For too long the beauty standard have been white; blond; blue eyes. Finally beauty standards have been diversified. Black-fishing aside - cause I agree that taking opportunities away from minorities through deception is never unacceptable. The perception I have been given by social media, is that white girls may not alter their appearances to incorporate other ethnic looks. Eg. Braids or curling there hair. Thus my question - If we are all for diverse beauty standards and celebrating each others beauty, why is not acceptable for the white girls to alter their appearances? Why not be more inclusive? How I view equality is exactly that, being inclusive, inclusive in every area, even beauty. Please help me understand."

[@MissPaparazzi88]

@@crouskarin with black hair since it's more work to keep up WE HAVE TO BRAID IT OR GET WEAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THIS FAST PACED LIFE AND THIS JUDGEMENTAL SOCIETY TO "FIT IN"..OUTSIDE RACES DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE THEY DOING IT CUZ IT'S CUTE. MY HAIR IS A WHOLE PROJECT. I WISH I COULD WASH IT AND JUST LET IT AIR DRY. NO OTHER RACE STRUGGLES WITH HAIR LIKE BLACK PPL. EVEN BIRACIAL PPL TEND TO HAVE MORE SLEEK HAIR(MANAGEABLE HAIR) PROBABLY WHY LONI IS THE ONLY ONE WHO GETS THE SEVERITY OF THE ISSUE. EVERYBODY WANNA "ACT" BLACK BUT, DON'T WANNA TAKE ON THE HARDSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. MY ROOMMATE IS WHITE AND JUST SAID I DON'T KNOW HOW U DEAL WITH YOUR HAIR..IT TAKES SO LONG JUST TO WASH AND DRY THAT I WOULD BE BALD IF I WAS U AND ONE LATIN FRIEND WHO SAYS BLACK GIRLS HAVE TO DO A LOT TO MANAGE THEIR HAIR AND IT'S SOO TRUE. SOME PPL WOULD BE OFFFENDED AT THEIR STATEMENTS IN THIS DAY AND AGE BUT, WHAT THEY NOTICED IS THE STORY OF MY LIFE(MY HAIR IS A WHOLE PROJECT)

[@kimberlymarai3497]

She's not appropriating your culture. She's appropriating Black American Culture. We are not the same people.

[@crouskarin]

@@MissPaparazzi88 thank you for trying to help me understand. Now I have more questions. 1. "MY HAIR IS A WHOLE PROJECT. I WISH I COULD WASH IT AND JUST LET IT AIR DRY. NO OTHER RACE STRUGGLES WITH HAIR LIKE BLACK PPL" - I respect the hell out of you for dealing with this daily. My sister has frizzy hair and just knowing how much she struggles, I can't imagine the amount of effort that you must have to put in. All of a sudden I am little less inclined to moan about those few stray hairs.... I still envy the vava voom volume and curls though. 2. "WE HAVE TO BRAID IT OR GET WEAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THIS FAST PACED LIFE AND THIS JUDGMENTAL SOCIETY TO "FIT IN" - yes I agree that the "having to fit in" concept is unfair, but is preventing others from embracing a style not hurting the cause for acceptance? In another clip Loni talks about how her employers had an issue with her braids and she had to wear wigs. By having more women (and men) wearing their hair in braids, would it not make it more acceptable? (Yes I know the fact that it has to be "made" acceptable is ridiculous, it should just be accepted.) I think by excluding people, only adds to the resistance, instead of removing it. 3."EVERYBODY WANNA "ACT" BLACK BUT, DON'T WANNA TAKE ON THE HARDSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH." - Loni said something similar to this in the clip. I am not gonna pretend that I understand all the hardships you have to deal with, but I do acknowledge it and have sympathy. I also feel that this statement imply that people that are not black, either don't have any hardships or diminishes their hardships. That's not true, it may not be the same, but it is defiantly not less. For me, as a society our use of language has caused a lot of unnecessary division. We talk as if there are only two sides. Pick one and be opposed to the other. Thus this statement could be seen as either you are black and have hardships or you are not black and have none. Instead of creating acknowledgement and sympathy, we create a divide. I am sure that it was not your intention, and it was not at all how I interpreted it, but in our current global political climate we need to be conscious of how our words could be twisted by someone who feels they have to be opposed to it because they are excluded. What are your thoughts on this? Shay again, thank you for your reply.

[@auntmelisa8689]

SHAY JOHNSON I wish black people would wear their own hair instead of buying other people’s cultures hair just to make themselves feel “cute” I also love how when a black woman is bleaching her skin it’s called self hatred, but when a white woman gets tanned from the sun she’s a racist!

[@-Secret]

what sick person would try to justify what that lady was doing? all of them are so busy trying to be accepted in society (except for loni) they are trying to dance around the issue and are missing the point. what that lady is doing is wrong. period.

[@phoebe109.]

Why don’t u just invite her on the show

[@Toni...]

I don't think she'll ever agree

[@CurlAnarchy]

She's not worth the platform.

[@yeahisaidit6184]

Phoebe 109 Don’t give stupid people a platform.

[@redpeppershakers]

they wouldnt be talking so negatively about her if she had a big fan base though.

[@lunarcyborgprincess]

Lucy Kingston don’t underestimate her, she may be a good person and try to understand. You don’t know what she would do based off her pictures alone

[@Jess273]

They either need more black women on this show, or the other ladies need to broaden their perspective on race issues. Loni is the only one who seems to understand this 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@rubyh.369]

She the only real black girl there

[@paulamariafrade]

She understands it more because she’s aware of the things that happens in the black community (obviously.) conversations like this are typical because we can’t expect everyone to understand everyone’s racial problems; we have too many closed minded people on this earth to make that mentally possible. It’s not that they need more women of a certain race on this show, they need more women who are open to more than one perspective. If you noticed, nobody wanted to listen to no one. It’s like me going up to a Afro-Latina and telling her she’s black and that’s it but she was born in Puerto Rico.

[@gallerieaa]

Im so glad tht loni always tells the truth & the real cuz im so fckin tired of other races of women always trying to steal everything from us

[@MorticiaAttoms]

This is TOTALLY different than playing with make-up. She is changing her entire body color, her hair, and the way she presents herself.

[@bri.99]

If Jeanie and Adrian don’t shut it😒

[@belle1832]

Briana Faulkner because they’re talking some sense?🤭💁‍♀️

[@lipstickinmywwawawa1886]

Wait who Is who??

[@bri.99]

panda animations Adrian(white blouse), Jeanie(flower top)

[@GreenBlue8840]

@@belle1832 I can tell you're the only person who liked your ignorant racist comment

[@StevieMichelle]

@@bri.99 I thought that was Brenda's song lmao

[@ajakennedy6072]

Loni is the only one who gets it. Drag queens show us their transformation and they're never trying to fool anyone, they're enjoying the looks and the makeup and the clothing and the art. This girl with the blackface is legit putting on a fake persona. I'm surprised Tamera, Jeannie and Adriene don't get it.

[@hailie_Selassie]

It is called RACIAL DECEPTION. Go check EVERYBODY HATES ANGEL channel on the subject. He explains it very well!!

[@angleeceiasorrentino]

Haïlié Sélassié he sure does explain it well

[@hailie_Selassie]

@T Y It is called transexual dummie. The man who dresses like a woman cant hide his manly attributes. Unless you're blind, you see that it's a man.

[@dreamerof93]

Haïlié Sélassié I love him 😭❤️

[@amy12123]

When u go a little darker on the foundation, we get it u want to look tan. But when u change the texture of your hair too, to resemble that of a black woman, it is BLACK FISHING

[@chargingyellow]

Loni is the only one telling it how it is.

[@chickenlittle4307]

fr💯💯

[@jonest1395]

I believe that it would be wise to understand the root of this problem. If black beauty (in the U.S.) was not marginalized for centuries, then yes, Jeannie would be right. However, American black beauty has been mocked, condemned, and dehumanized since slavery. The results have been DEVASTATING, and black self-hatred has transferred through the generations. Black women have been taught to hate themselves because of their features. Within the last 45 or so years, non-black women have capitalized on those very features, and on a non-black woman, she is considered beautiful. Apparently, black beauty is beautiful (ie. exotic) when it's on a non-black woman. Because this profound issue underlies a white woman "dressing up" as a black woman, it is vital to not go into this conversation ignorantly. No Jeannie, black women's beauty cannot be compared to a transvestite! At what point will society stop mocking the black woman? And why the pretense over what is a very obvious behavior? This white woman is wearing black beauty as a costume and capitalizing off of it.

[@thankunext1625]

THANK YOU!

[@sequoiaphe4324]

That part!!!

[@lovejonez7286]

Very well said!

[@chaniyatillis6439]

Why TF can't it just be beauty why TF do people like u always halft to put a label on anything they can find if a black women bleaches her skin would this be controversal no cause there are many videos of black women bleaching there skin and no one said anything but o no a white woman can't get darker let's be frank cultural appropriation only exists when ur the opposite of black black people weren't born with straight hair oh oh but we put straight hair weave in our head black people weren't born with blue eyes oh.....then why do they put on contacts u weren't raised to hate urself u just find excuses to blame someone else for ur problems

[@drmayesmt]

@@chaniyatillis6439 you will never get. We've been saying that for decades. There are no "studies" that tell white women that they are the least attractive. No one reviles their hair, skin, features and body shapes. Save the pity party. She's wrong and young or not, she knows what she's doing.

[@630AS]

When you are the only black women present and you realize you are on your own. 👏👏👏

[@alongcameamber3946]

dvrhhjhccy Right! Tamera didn’t help Lonni. 🙄🤦🏽‍♀️

[@dr.marlenadaryousef1655]

Jenna needs to zip it!!! The young lady is blackfishing period!!!

[@dr.marlenadaryousef1655]

F it's still Blackface which white people were making fun of Black people it's a derogatory gesture.

[@promiseomiponle810]

F they’re not the same thing idiot

[@dr.marlenadaryousef1655]

Promise Omiponle it is... Dumb ASS!!

[@qweenlina930]

Why are they beating around the bush 🙄 SN: Patrick Starr and this girl are TWO entirely different things

[@queenl2979]

Not really

[@shirinarghandeh1333]

nah wtf are they drinking in those cups...my girl really said "i have a different shade of foundation in the summer as well" OKAY BUT DO U HAVE A DIFFERENT RACE IN EVERY SEASONS TOO LIKE WHAT KINDA LOGIC?? my head hurts im out

[@hamsterbaby98]

Right? I'm hispanic too and my skin changes quite a bit from winter-summer but I have never been able to pass as two completely different races. Going from white to black 'naturally' is just not possible.

[@christylouis2611]

😂😂😂

[@MagicallyAdulting_]

Jeannie it’s not the same Patrick is staying the same skin color and she portraying a different race

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

Her point, while trying to play devil's advocate is that Patrick performs as a different GENDER and as a result gets paid as a female beauty blogger because of that. Before you go chasing me down the street, I'm not saying that it's the same as this black struggle but there is a degree of similarity

[@BuffyunaTV]

@@light2046 How is it different? Drag is LITERALLY the same thing as black face (men dressing up as caricatures of women and acting out all the negative stereotypes). Its just we live in a faux progressive society where gay men can get away with any and everything, including dominating a industry that was meant for women! Just like this white girl is taking opportunities from black girls yall don't think Patrick is taking away opportunities from a real plus sized filipina makeup artist?

[@shinyjewelsz]

It's called analogy. Do you not understand how analogies work? Patrick is trying to embody a different gender and this blackfishing chick is trying to look more exotic

[@kimtaylor1878]

@@yepitsthatguy5278 👍👍

[@Nordia16]

Finally LONI is not trying to polish up the facts. Jeannie missed the mark this time.

[@Ur_naturalness]

Can't stand us but wanna be just like us.

[@joannasaad298]

Sweden has a large African population though and they don't experience the level of racism there like in America.

[@igothoes4sales814]

Lmaoooooo

[@veronicaivanova]

Not sure why some black people have to always victimise and divide themselves from the others. In this case nobody is hating on you, so stop with the bs

[@veronicaivanova]

@@joannasaad298, thank you!

[@igothoes4sales814]

Veronica Ivanova yup! Always

[@colormesienna4797]

i’m just upset she’s comparing men putting on makeup to blackface

[@SoulSista6579]

ColorMe Sienna that’s cuz she stupid

[@NiccixCore]

@@SoulSista6579 Exactly, she's always been the uncultured dunce of the show

[@tabithacooper8162]

What about white face? Why was it ok for Micheal Jackson to white face?

[@tiberg6446]

Tabitha Cooper I agree, you can’t have it both ways, if black people can lighten themselves than white people can darken themselves. Accept it and move the fuq on

[@zshvyproctor8890]

@@tabithacooper8162 some plblack ppl lighten their skin due to 500 years of oppression from European colonization. Being told that dark skin is ugly and natrual black hair is unprofessional and undesirable. In all of history I have never heard of a race of ppl paint their faces white and putting straw in their head to mock and degrade white ppl.

[@alexisdiamond2529]

Tamar would had gave this topic the justice it deserved. Shout-out to Loni for trying though

[@derricknregina]

That's what I said m that's why they got rid of her. She didn't act dumb to please others. She's a Pisces like me n when we get comfortable with ourselves watch out.

[@aali98andall]

Everybody wants our rythem but does not want our blues 👏👏👏👏 PREACH LONI!! So dam true !