Part 2: Answering King James Only w/ @WesHuff | Cultish

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[@BulykrynVancho]

Please restock the “Bad Theology Hurts People” hat. I need three in my life now!

[@TheCultishShow]

@@BulykrynVancho hey thanks for the suggestion we’re gonna do what we can to get those hats in stock as soon as possible! 🤝

[@vashmatrix5769]

Good job making division by being against the only real English Bible. Guess that's to be expected for God's word.

[@randombutrelevant]

@@BulykrynVancho So, you mean 'The bible is bad theology' hat? Deconstruct bro...

[@Mike_W78]

I had a black Hebrew Israelite that quoted the KJV claiming it was saying Hebrew people were black and when I looked at the passage it was talking about sorrow but used black. It confused him that words didnt mean the same. Of course that has something to do with his ignorance and that the KJV uses words that just are not the same today.

[@MattH-nd9qk]

So many people do not understand how language evolves, it boggles my mind. The answer i always get is "then why did they use that word if thats not what it means". It goes with the idea that the KJV is inspired.

[@aaronvienot]

A quick reminder that James R. White has written "King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust Modern Translations?" which documents, in everyday language, the differences Wes is talking about in the video.

[@TheCultishShow]

That’s a great book, thanks for the heads up 😉

[@KJBonly]

Peter s Ruckman wrote a book that debunks every single claim that’s made in James R Whites book. I recommend anyone interested in James whites book to also purchase dr Ruckman a book titled “the scholarship only controversy”. James R white is also Jesuit educated and his book is endorsed by known Jesuits. That should set off some big red flags that he is an enemy of faith

[@michaelporter43]

@KJBonly the James White book is based on facts and truth; facts and truth can not be debunked js 🤷🏽

[@weiyishen]

James White's view on preservation amounts to a position of faith, just like the view he criticizes. At least, so far as I can tell.

[@KJBonly]

@ have you even read his book?? His arguments are absolutely ridiculous

[@FabledNarrative]

Thank you for platforming Wes Huff.

[@happyjoy338]

Eh😒

[@christopherbradford193]

The original editors/creators of the KJV said that it WAS NOT perfect or inspired. That one simple fact destroys the KJV only arguments of perfection. I guess fanatics don't know what they don't know 🤷

[@rickrivera-n4h]

Yes, that’s what I was saying about. It seems like that’s what they’re saying in the little introduction preamble they write about how they came to translate the KJV.

[@Yesica1993]

Even if you tell them, they ignore it. This cult is horrifying. It really is. I had no idea this was even a thing!

[@vashmatrix5769]

😆 🤣 Well, that settles it then. God can't preserve his word because they said so. 🤭

[@awaken7684]

Proverbs 26:12 "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him."

[@eclipsesonic]

To add on to Wes' point about 1 John 3:1 having a missing phrase in the KJV that is found in the ESV, here are three other examples. I'm curious if any KJV-Only people have any response to these: Acts 4:25: KJV - "who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?" ESV - "who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, Why did the Gentiles rage, and the peoples plot in vain?" Jude 1:25: KJV - "to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." ESV - "to the only God, our Saviour, "THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD", be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, BEFORE ALL TIME and now and for ever. Amen." Revelation 14:1: KJV - "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads." ESV - "Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had HIS NAME AND his Father's name written on their foreheads." Regarding the point the guy brought up about the NKJV missing various words, check out Pastor Scott Ingram's channel, where he has a video about the NKJV supposedly removing, Lord, Jehovah, etc. Arthur Farstad, the general editor for the NKJV, has responded to this charge.

[@jenwilding]

KJV preferred gal here: all these ESV additions are designed to add nuance to support a split, versus unified, Trinity. Tell me that’s not a doctrinal difference there. 🤔 Witches cast spell using words and know the power of their subtleties.

[@vashmatrix5769]

They're translations of completely different source texts.

[@randombutrelevant]

So, now, you are 'battling' over what Constantine or Justinians decided was right? Are you fully clueless? NEITHER has ANYTHING to do with JESUS and ALL to do with POWER for the 'Church' will you ever wake up? You in this ego battle over'which book is most high' yet NONE OF THEM are about Jesus!

[@rickrivera-n4h]

After ordering the 1611 King Bible and reading the preamble. It seems that the authors editors actually say this is a work in progress and that they could be mistaken on how they interpret things of course it’s very difficult to even read the preamble of the 1611 King King’s Bible, but does anybody else see that?

[@vashmatrix5769]

Ever fellow real Bible (KJV) reader I know is familiar with what they wrote. We (KJV only) don't say to use that version. We use the Authorized Version King James Bible.

[@randombutrelevant]

Yes, if stuff comes up that disproves all they have believed, now they have a fall back on 'work in progress' drone fest

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@vashmatrix5769 u don’t read the true kjv.. u read a heavily revised edited version

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@Username-ff6ir "Heavily revised" - No, it's not. The meaning didn't change. If you actually learned our position, you'd understand why we picked the 1769 Authorized Version King James Bible.

[@AnsweringLDS]

KJV only is that flat earth society of Christianity

[@taylorlawrencehatty]

The earth takes form like clay under a seal

[@Tango_Yankee7]

You must be from the church of the ignorant brethren

[@Yesica1993]

Ha! That's a good way to put it!

[@AnsweringLDS]

@ would it kill you to take poetry as actual poetry?

[@michaelporter43]

Same type of mindset, not necessarily the same people

[@jennifernelson2795]

Disagreeing with a KJ onlyist is an exercise in futility. In my experience, talking about the reliability of scripture with a hardcore atheist is often more civil.

[@randombutrelevant]

KJV is the 'only' out of 3000 + bibles... let that sink in. The 'supreme' god, or the 'supreme highest' text. None of which were written by any 'God' and just humans doing a constantine for power and glory, raping and pillaging the entire world, but, of course.... constantine was 'annointed' and therefor was allowed to rape in pillage (for God) the very God, that... is 3 people, sent one of those 3 down to sacrifice itself for God, to let people go to heaven? Do any of you even think for 2 seconds?

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@randombutrelevant huh?

[@modelingmotherhood]

Very interesting points. Thank you !

[@vashmatrix5769]

Only they're full of it & turning people from God's preserved word.

[@chaogam]

Please can you do one of these on the Cooneites/ two by twos!! Please

[@kellymika4208]

There are early church fathers that quoted 1 John 5:7 in the 3rd and 4th centuries. So obviously they read it in early manuscripts

[@awaken7684]

He's hitting a curve ball on this one! He's making a stance and claim that John 100% didn't write that.

[@RevolutionDebates]

I challenge any of them to debate on any part of scripture in the KJV.

[@vashmatrix5769]

I'd love to see them defend their attacks on the real Bible at Standing For Truth ministries.

[@RevolutionDebates]

Amen. I used to debate there, I found they were a bit Andersonitish for my liking so I left. I can do debates on my own channel now.

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@RevolutionDebates Andersonitish?

[@RevolutionDebates]

⁠people who behave like Steven Anderson.

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@RevolutionDebates How is Donny, the host, like him? Because they use the KJV? Just make your point.

[@modelingmotherhood]

Please make donations available through Paypal !

[@tjbr50]

I've only been a serious Christian again for a few months and I could tell that Dr Kim was way off right away.

[@vashmatrix5769]

How

[@jarrettalyssaneville1122]

Which is able to Save your soul, not sue your soul, you must be reading a 1611 in the Gothic font where the v's are written with u's and s's with f's, etc.

[@vashmatrix5769]

Which is a complete strawman. We do t even use the 1611. We use updated Authorized Version King James Bible.

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@vashmatrix5769 so what’s the difference between the new kjv and a esv?

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@Username-ff6ir The source texts.

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

kzbin.info21CdkdHRUw0?si=T9CScSHwDtUtnJQ3 this is a video I did that shows a very obvious error in Translation in the King James bible. And there's no way of getting around it because the grammar makes it obvious

[@CoolPigeon98]

stop deleting our bibles Wes

[@MrMann-gt1eh]

I think the KJV is the inspired word of God in the English language. I don’t care what someone else reads anymore than I care what music they like or drink they like. It’s literally their soul, not mine. I’m not saying if they aren’t KJV they aren’t saved. …just that they’re missing verses and words have literally been changed, more than the “false friends” that it takes literally 2 seconds to decipher with a smart phone on Google. Why would someone want less? Read whatever you want. I have other translations also. They just don’t get used much.

[@randombutrelevant]

Yeah, it is the 'inspired word of GOD'? How? Because you decided? or who you were taught by decided to tell you? LOL 'It is the inspired word of God of the English Language' You actually typed those words... you good?

[@Username-ff6ir]

U don’t read the kjb.. u read a heavily revised and edited version by ur logic ur a unsaved heretic 🫢

[@vashmatrix5769]

😂 You can't say "different Bible translation" when you're not even translating the same thing. Amazing you believe people didn't have the real Bible for hundreds of years.

[@JMoneyUSA]

Please explain?

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@JMoneyUSA KJV comes from the line of text that was preserved & passed down. All the other modern ones are taken from different source texts that may be older but were not passed down.

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@vashmatrix5769 by ur logic u should be reading the Greek and Hebrew… everything else is fake 🫡

[@JadDragon]

Do you think it is a sin to add to the Bible?

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@JadDragon Deuteronomy 4:2 & Revelation 22: 19, et al.

[@RoccoStefanell-nc7dv]

Great job dividing Christians cultish! Making people feel like they’re a lunatic fringe if they believe in the use of one Bible. Not sure why y’all felt like you had to do this. But thanks for making me doubt scripture

[@JadDragon]

Great job uniting Christians Rocco! Oh wait.

[@RoccoStefanell-nc7dv]

@ not sure I understand

[@RoccoStefanell-nc7dv]

@ they had to know that this subject is a point of contention?

[@RoccoStefanell-nc7dv]

@ why make people feel they’re crazy for reading one Bible?

[@JadDragon]

@RoccoStefanell-nc7dv pot kettle. If you're feeling that way I'd suggest that's a you problem and listen to their arguments. Think about which side is _really_ causing division.

[@tsgtr]

These are the same arguments James White has. James White inspired Jeff Durbin with his book "The King James Only Controversy" which was the first book on the bible Durbin ever read. Durbin started Apologia Studios. Apologia Studios started "Cultish". James White's argument was wholly demolished in "The Scholarship Only Controversy" by Peter Ruckman. These guys have taken the exact line that James took in his book and have advanced the argument no further. Literally everything they bring up against the KJV is wrong. And they're constantly "paying homage" to the KJV by saying they "like it" and it's a "nice translation", but those are just flowery ways of saying that it's WRONG. It's their word against God's word. KJV is the only, perfect word of God and the evidence bears this out.

[@Username-ff6ir]

U can’t even understand the actual “kjv” u read and edited revised copy …

[@tsgtr]

I'm very glad to briefly scroll through the comments and see lots of KJV-defending brothers and sisters. You've failed your mission, James White.

[@Username-ff6ir]

U don’t read the kjb. U have a heavily revised edited copy.. repent go back to the original

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@Username-ff6ir No, it's not. These are like spelling changes. I doubt you even use either.

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@tsgtr Right. That heretic has extinguished the faith of so many.

[@KJBonly]

Wes Huf is wrong. He quotes books against the KJV that are written by Jesuits. He has spent too much time hearing and believing what the university’s teach. He has been fooled like many other teachers that the “oldest manuscripts” are the most accurate, but he ignores the fact that age has nothing to do with it. The best manuscripts are the ones recorded by actual Christian’s in Antioch (where followers were first called Christian’s in Acts). The only translation that’s actually translated from Antioch manuscripts are the KJB, all the other ones including nkjv use Syrian Egyptian manuscripts (the origin of Gnosticism)

[@KJBonly]

His pride has blinded him to the facts. And he takes Jesuit lies at face value and neglects to research the other perspective. All of his claims about the KJB have been debunked by much more Knowledgeable scholars than himself

[@TheCultishShow]

@@KJBonly you lost us at Jesuits…

[@jeremystrickland348]

I'm detecting a large dose of Sam Gipp in this comment.

[@4486johnboy]

Did you know the people that translated the king James prayed that later on they would be a more accurate translation than they published. Did you know when the pilgrims first settled to America they studied out of the Geneva translation. Did you know that the NASB is statistically 98% accurate according to the original text. I love the King James Version but they are better translations and you can understand them better

[@KJBonly]

@ I don’t even know who Sam Gipp is… everyone who is Born again should be against the Jesuits. they have their hand in everything Antichrist… that just goes to show you can’t trust this channel for anything, the defend Jesuits… unbelievable

[@simonhailes6580]

The word of God existed in many versions, from the early church to medieval times. Many of those versions were fairly accurate translations, just like many of the reformation bibles. The bible mainly existed in Europe, in the notably corrupt Latin vulgate and even translations of that were surpressed. God revived and purified the text through the renaissance and classical learning, most notably Erasmus, which led to a period that had the highest level of knowledge and fluency in the biblical languages and the purification of the Greek NT text. The reformation and printing led to an obsession with getting out accurate translations of the original text, which the reformers considered to be the inspired word of God. The KJV was the high point of this movement and it was confirmed as the best, most accurate and final authority of the word of God; by Gods unsurpassed usage of it. The enlargement of Japheth was occurring during this period and the English nation was the last to get in on it, by a couple of centuries; but became the predominant nation, through the blessing of God and their adherence to spreading the gospel. God gave the final authority in the international language of the end times. Other versions ‘contain’ the words of God where they match the KJV. Where they don’t they are corrupt, by accident; or satanic interference.

[@kdmorgan4479]

Amen!

[@KJBonly]

I can’t even believe he will defend the NIV and the legacy Bible… People! This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about!!! Those translations are chalked full of contradictions and lies. This guy couldn’t be more wrong and he’s doing a serious disservice to everyone who listens to this and believes him

[@awaken7684]

💯 Just bc of the Billy thing now people are just thinking he's right about everything. It verges idolizing him. There are many scriptures that I have seen with my own eyes that are twisted. He is doing a great disservice. This is wisdom of men going on here in conceit.

[@vashmatrix5769]

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

[@simonhailes6580]

If they are defending corrupt bibles they are deceived and ignorant of real bible criticism. They need to read Burgon and hills.

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@vashmatrix5769 out of context. Keep reading that kjb tho seems likes it’s doing u good 🫠🙄

[@vashmatrix5769]

@@Username-ff6ir The quote marks are to intentionally tell people it's a lifted quote. The context of use is the same. These guys are sinful & harming people & I hope it's out of ignorance & not malous.

[@happyjoy338]

So I thought Wes was too busy to do all these interviews??😂 That dude needs to go away.

[@vashmatrix5769]

They needed him for their echo chamber.

[@drumsaway84]

😂😂😂This is the guy that pretended to understand what Mormons believe in the Joe Rogan show. Funniest party was when he tried to make the comparison of confidence and competence after showing everyone how incompetent he is on the subject! 😂 Thou shalt not bear false witness boy!

[@Username-ff6ir]

Mormons are in a cult 🫢

[@simonhailes6580]

The word of God existed in many versions, from the early church to medieval times. Many of those versions were fairly accurate translations, just like many of the reformation bibles. The bible mainly existed in Europe, in the notably corrupt Latin vulgate and even translations of that were surpressed. God revived and purified the text through the renaissance and classical learning, most notably Erasmus, which led to a period that had the highest level of knowledge and fluency in the biblical languages and the purification of the Greek NT text. The reformation and printing led to an obsession with getting out accurate translations of the original text, which the reformers considered to be the inspired word of God. The KJV was the high point of this movement and it was confirmed as the best, most accurate and final authority of the word of God; by Gods unsurpassed usage of it. The enlargement of Japheth was occurring during this period and the English nation was the last to get in on it, by a couple of centuries; but became the predominant nation, through the blessing of God and their adherence to spreading the gospel. God gave the final authority in the international language of the end times. Other versions ‘contain’ the words of God where they match the KJV. Where they don’t they are corrupt, by accident; or satanic interference.

[@Username-ff6ir]

U don’t read the kjb u read a revised edited copy..