Part 2- Nightmare CPS case - No legal parent and a terrified Grandma

This case is intense. A terrifying felon father, a grandma that's afraid of the child, nobody with legal rights...does this little girl stand a chance?
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[@suzanneh708]

The cps attorney hit the nail on the head when she said the family is not acting on best interest of the child but they’re acting as a matter of pride.

[@SOMD-THC]

I agree. The dad doesn't want the state involved because he's not able to control the state. And the dad plays the doctor and gives his diagnosis. He has said medical conditions so she must have it also. And removing her from school. Just crazy!

[@conniebowen9460]

@SOMD-THC I agree with most of your statement. But, agree it not, COVID is a killer. Not for someone healthy usually, but it has happened. My dil, my son, and I discussed each of the 3 affected school years so far on if we were comfortable (yes, they included me as I am their back up daycare for sick days, staffing days, holiday and spring break, etc) with my grands going to school with covid being rampant. I am 54 with my own health concerns, and I am my 84 year old father's sole care giver. Covid is an important discussion every school year. And after heavy travel holidays. My dad was actually hospitalized for 5 days in September due to covid pneumonia, is still dealing with the after affects, and that was not transmitted by my grands. I had covid symptoms for 6 weeks. It's crazy to make a decision for your entire family without considering all aspects. Now, if you had said it sounded like it was the excuse they were using, I would have fully agreed. I doing think it was ever an issue for them, and they were trying to avoid the exact situation they now find themselves in.

[@irenekegel5988]

And I think they see $$$$

[@mgkwb2556]

Not saying this in a mean way but I think they might be ignorant or uneducated.

[@irenekegel5988]

@@mgkwb2556 or both

[@techniciandave9253]

Ok, the Dad’s testimony sealed the deal with me. This poor child stands zero chance of a normal, happy, productive life in the care of Grandma, who is controlled by and clearly afraid of dad. He scares the crap out of me just on video!

[@shawver83]

Yeah, he could barely control himself during the court proceedings, I can only imagine what he’s like when he’s not trying to be polite and make a good impression!

[@KalaNewell]

She def needs to be in inpatient and have lots of services put into place. She has lots of educational and cognitive needs that need met

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

I wonder if sad gets out if he'll go after grandma

[@jinny13]

The child’s lawyer is great. She clearly expresses her stance, her needs but even more so, she advocated for Carly in a very compassionate way. She covered the legal and safety, education etc. But also covered wanting access to an appropriate friend and her belongings and why. That shows me that her attorney really cares and listens to her client and that is so important. ❤

[@DocBree13]

I agree!

[@maureen3134]

She reminds me of Stevie Nicks 😁

[@valerie362]

I have to say I feel horrible for the girl and wish she had better. I think the Grandma is doing the best she can but hearing the Mtn Dew comments makes me think she's very uneducated too. It's sad all around.

[@DawnDiggetyNoDoubt]

Yeah but there’s a lot of excuses in there too

[@DeborahAckerman1234]

The Grandmother doesn’t have the capacity to raise the child, the woman needs help herself!!!!

[@oppositewolf]

i have heard through the years that caffeine actually does help kids with ADHD, that it had a opposite effect on kids vs adults....i think folks immediately dismiss it because coffee/mt. dew or considered adult drinks, and that there are other possibilities of home remedies vs taking medicine

[@valerie362]

@@oppositewolf I understand that stimulants can help kids, hence the amphetamines for ADHD/ADD. Before giving huge amounts of caffeine to a kid at bedtime, it should be discussed with a pediatrician. That was one thing among many that made me feel bad for grandma.

[@oppositewolf]

@@valerie362 yeah i feel the same...grandma is getting a lot of judgement thrown t her about listening to others that suggested caffene/diet mt dew....its what older folks do..try home remedies and take advice from other old folks

[@Mandy7D7]

I absolutely love Jennifer Harris & Emily Keiler - Greene, the way they handled Dad especially. Jill the CASA volunteer who let it be known Carly does not want to go back to Grandma and all the others. Finally this little girl has people in her life working just for her.

[@MamaBlisss]

1000% thank God for these ladies! My heart goes out to this baby girl. She deserves the best and the present family is not it

[@ElissaSarto]

I don't know... I don't like the way Keiler treated the father - asking if he was currently able to do physical tasks for his child when he's incarcerated is so obvious that it borders on trying to degrade him. How many times do they have to mention that he is in jail? He is a human being.

[@empress5216]

The grandmother is clearly afraid of her son. She’s retracted every single comment she made to family service worker. This situation is so sad 😞 Carlie will have a very hard life if they can’t/won’t get her the help she needs NOW!!😢😢

[@suzanneh708]

The father is using threatening poses and looks when grandma is talking. That’s why she can’t answer the questions honestly

[@twilightshealy4152]

He's scary AF.

[@jwolf5604]

Yes!

[@timidfaery]

One of the sad things about this is you know he will always blame his mom for losing custody.

[@traceymcdonald7949]

Oh I bet this guy has ALWAYS blamed his mother for EVERYTHING

[@margaretk1962]

its so sad! you can see that the grandmother is terrified of saying the "wrong thing" (from the point of view of the father).

[@CaliMishell]

The words coming out of Grandma’s mouth and the glare and face making of the sperm donor are terrifying. So grateful to CPS, GALs and CASA for the work they do to ensure a better life for precious children.

[@hannahooo]

Hoarders are much more damaging than they seem. This is so sad.

[@mimikay5421]

Agree! Hope Grandma receives some help. No one should have to live in a house that smells like urine😢

[@Talk-to-the-Pugs]

This child needs a clean home, a room of her own, stable supervision, a father willing to put his daughter first and let her go.

[@mymomisno1]

Thank goodness CPS is involved in this debacle. The Grandmother did a terrible job with her son why should anyone expect her to do any better with her granddaughter! Diet Mountain Dew as a sleep aid???????!!!!!!!! Living in squalid conditions with no hot water for 2 years is an abomination! This is a father who has no ability to keep himself out of jail but expects that what was good enough for him is good enough for his daughter! I believe that he loves his daughter but real love means walking through fire for your children and sometimes that means facing the fact that you do not have the ability or the backbone to put her first in every decision you make. If he had either he would not be in jail with a 12-year-old daughter. Expecting the Grandmother, who also loves this young girl, to raise a child at her advanced age and with her health issues, not to mention no transportation in rural Texas, is beyond selfish! If you want control of your child stay out of jail you asshole. I pray that this sweet girl will thrive with help from professionals who can get her the help she needs!

[@micheleroberts908]

My mother-in-law was just like this woman. She thought she was doing everything for her grandchildren but, she wasn't. She was in denial. The grandchildren she helped raised never had a chance in life. And she wanted to know why she didn't ever have our children stay during summer break.

[@ItIsWhatItIs8120]

I love how he keeps. Speaking like he is just this responsible dad who has just been treated unfairly ?

[@Kris10_M]

I have a daughter with a neurological speech delay and I had her in speech therapy since she was 18 months old 4 days a week and she still continues to be and she will be 12 in March. I have her in occupational therapy and counseling too. Another thing I do to help her is she receives 3 hours of tutoring a week. I would do anything for her and my heart breaks for this little girl, she deserves all the therapy, schooling and tutoring she can get. Bless her heart and I hope she finds her worth.

[@robinmitchell7442]

my daughter had every delay possible as a baby. now at 15 you wouldn't know she's an national honor society student. top 10 in class. early intervention works

[@motherof1294]

As I said before, the grandmother is not capable of caring for anyone. Unfortunately, she needs help for herself, and the child needs to remain in placement

[@beccadreams4992]

That Grandmother's testimony was just so excruciating to watch.

[@sarah2116]

Anyone who feels bad for grandma, just remember, she raised the man that's been in and out of jail since 16. Who also says he has ADD who also probably didn't receive the emotional and medical support he needed as a child to flourish and now his daughter's going down the same path. I'm so glad they stepped in for her and even though it will be a hard road, I truly hope she can turn things around for her self. It unfortunately just wont be easy the longer you wait to treat children with these needs.

[@jeanalzaidi908]

Its not fair too say his upbringing. Is the cause why hes in jail I know an awful lot of great parents and their kids get in trouble and end up in jail at some point. I don't see how blaming the parents helpful

[@Ruby_2470]

It’s really not fair to come to that conclusion, and you obviously do not have children. You can raise them with the best of intentions and values, and it is up to them ultimately what they decide to do with it. You will fail them by being a helicopter parent and on top of them all of the time but at some point your child is going to have to go out and do that world and do something for them self and you cannot always blame the parent for every choice they make. I find it even more sad that you’re gonna blame a parent for ADD and assume they never had any support for it. Are you also taking into account and how old her son was when this happened because 1520 years ago they didn’t know about ADD like they know now. One day you may have children and one day you will see that you can do the best that you can do but there’s gonna come a time where it’s gonna be their chance to make decisions, and if you allow them to have the excuse of blaming every decision they make on their parents that’s what is actually failing them.

[@Ruby_2470]

Now that you’re an adult… if you even are… every mistake you’ve ever made, every bad decision you have ever made, you blame that on your parents raising you? I’m sure you got in trouble in school before maybe even been arrested so we can assume that your parents were terrible parents who probably should’ve had their children removed from them if I go by your logic…correct? To me that sounds like a copout at some point you were an adult and it was your choice to make the decision you did. Not your parents grow up. This woman is obviously here fighting for her grandchildren and the only person around to be a parent to these kids. Blame the person who deserves to be blamed.

[@user-ft3pj1nr6c]

@@Ruby_2470I’m sorry that your children are not successful in adulthood.

[@Kimi1968ful]

I can't believe anyone would think a child should live in a cluttered RV that has no flushing toilets or heat. Or school. A 5th grade workbook is not homeschooling.

[@JenessaAndKingston]

Yes.. she means well taking her in when its not her responsibility but her best is just not good enough… that poor girl its horrible! Grandma deserves better also.. thats a sad situation but she is not meeting the child’s needs! Shes an adult she has a choice to live that way. Carly did not. And they have her out of school so she has no friends living in a rural area. 12 years old sharing a bed with her grandma. Grandma doesnt have enough gas money to bring her to services. They’re keeping her out of school when she already has learning disabilities . Sounds like the girl doesnt even want to go back there and i don’t blame her. Im sure wherever she is she has clean clothes, heat, running water and a damn shower and a fridge for food .basic necessities.

[@loosie5224]

@@JenessaAndKingston If she meant well she would not have contested her granddaughter being moved to a suitable placement.

[@JenessaAndKingston]

@@loosie5224 you dont get it. Just bc you mean well doesnt mean anything really. What i said was her best isnt good enough regardless. But she has taken her in and tried considering both her parents are trash. and im sure she does love her grand daughter. However she clearly did a shit job raising her son and cant even take care of herself and live in a suitable condition much less a child. Thats all. Meaning well and doing well two diff things.

[@myrnamuhasky7443]

💯

[@Grimm299]

So much "homeschooling" is just absolute bullshit

[@saltysunflower]

I don't think Grandma gets it. She doesn't seem to have learned much. Another placement would be best for this child.

[@nidzaboricua3294]

Unfortunately this issue with the family is generational. The fact that both grandma and dad think they are providing a safe home shows the way they were raised. Not taking a bath daily and staying clean is a no brainer for us but not to them. Being 12 years old and sleeping with grandma while there of a perfectly good bunk bed is also crazy. Cleaning the home with no clutter is also not important or it could be that grams is too old to clean it up. Either way this cold needs to be taken out of that environment.

[@irenekegel5988]

Agree, she is not the caregiver this kids need

[@nb-user25]

When he said he thinks his mother has done a fantastic job with his daughter’s education, I thought oh god.

[@BrookeAmber007]

So she should grow up in the system? Do you know how bad it is there?

[@irenekegel5988]

@@BrookeAmber007 that’s very general saying every foster parent is nasty !!! Think hard before you answer !!!!! Many many foster parents are amazing , caring ,loving and supportive !!!!!

[@BrookeAmber007]

@@irenekegel5988 they don’t all go to foster parents. Most stay stuck in group homes forced on psychiatric medications due to the trauma of being taken. I have yet to talk to one kid who had a good experience in the system. I stand on what I said. The odds of amazing foster parents is slim to none at least here in Michigan. I’m being realistic quite frankly.

[@traceymcdonald7949]

When the GAL mentioned that the child wants her clothes and makeup my heart broke. That child does not want to go home but is willing to in order to get out of her current placement. It sounds horrible for her. Put her in a therapeutic foster home with no other kids especially biological children. Sounds like she is worried about being treated unfairly or maybe she has had very bad experiences with other kids. But it would be in her best interest to get as far away from that family as possible. And by all means please make certain that her foster placement will NOT further harm her because it happens.

[@gayledrewry3727]

Think she might have issues because her mom abandoned her and her dad doesn’t think enough of her to stay out of trouble

[@tias2705]

It doesn't sound like mom abandoned her. They alluded to violence against her before, previous CPS involvement, and mom's rights were terminated so I think mom lost rights due to domestic violence and child abuse by her partner.

[@texastornado9918]

1. “Do you agree with your son, that Carly is not the aggressor in the physical altercations that the two of you have had throughout the years ?” That is a DAMN GOOD question!! 2. Does anyone else constantly hear “Ms. Collard Green” each time the CPS Lawyer, Emily Keifer-Green is referenced? I literally hear it and snicker every single time 😂

[@lilaccellar]

YES to both!!!

[@mortychops]

Agreed!

[@NotCupcakes]

Miss Keller Green iś awesome, she truly cares.

[@khristiknepshield7673]

Yes.

[@araya52]

For a long time I thought they were calling her Collard Greens" lol

[@danbealecocks4344]

"diet mountain dew works the opposite on kids so I had her on that" -- good grief.

[@johnharling5246]

Ms Harris summing up was very good she rightly ripped the child's placement a new one as well as the father and grandmother.

[@paigewilson7893]

It seems as though dad may have some issues with emotions and anger management.

[@loosie5224]

and obeying the law.

[@jeanalzaidi908]

Yes he seems to have but the law guardian was really talking very abrasive and borderline disrespectful too him its only common sense he's in jail and his daughter can't call him and he can't pick her up from school they weren't just proving their point it's like their making a mockery out of the dad and id be agitated too I don't know what's in Carlys best interest but maybe a disabled teen group home would be better,for her where they can have her diagnosed and treated& help her learn her adls

[@spandex7055]

Grandma is clueless beyond belief.

[@SOMD-THC]

👍🏼👍🏼🎯

[@Annie1962]

Lurch needs to refrain from the term 'Love her to death'. He could make money being in horror films.

[@jwolf5604]

I wa thinking that too! That phrase is so not appropriate in this situation

[@marieridgeway2237]

I was sent to laurel ridge in there military treatment section, and I remember seeing the kids walking around the facility. It always broke my heart, but they have schooling, gyms, pools, other recreational activities and you can wear civilian clothes eventually. And honestly it may be the safest space for her.

[@johnharling5246]

The grandmother is a doormat her son and grand daughter to walk over when she tries to take control she clearly goes too far. She lacks the tools, finances and I would go as far to say she did not want to deal with what sounds like a difficult child that will take a great deal of effort time and patience. She has clearly been coached because what she is saying now does not match her previous actions such as the state of their living conditions for years. I'm not a Dr but I'm fairly sure Mountain Dew is now a cure for anything other than thirst and to blindly take advice from a non medically trained is just more of her laziness most would have taken the child to the Dr. What I find alarming is that she diagnosed her granddaughter with learning difficulties because she didn't start talking until she was two and a half which is not unusual and this is probably why she neglected the granddaughters educational requirements.

[@ashleydixon6122]

This case hit HARD for me. I just started part 2 and am only a bit into Grandma's testimony, but it echoes so much of what I just went through with my 11 year old daughter and her Paternal Great Grandmother. My ex husbands grandmother has always provided child care for me since my daughter was born. She was AMAZING with my daughter as an infant. Once my daughter got a bit older, and my ex husband and I went through our divorce, our daughter began to act out a bit. Specifically because her Dad uses a VERY military-esque authoritative parenting style in his mom, bordering on abusive in my opinion. The way custody is for us is I have our daughter during the week and Dad has her EVERY weekend. So on Fridays after school she goes to Dad's and is dropped off Monday morning to me around 6 am. I also was working full time and so during the week, Great Grandma would pick her up from school and have her until about 6-7 pm based on traffic and how long it took me to get there to pick her up. Once or twice a week, my daughter would ask to spend the night at her Mimi's. This was fine with me. Until the physical fights began. Much like my ex husband, I began to learn that my daughter's Mimi also used a VERY abbrasive, although not as harsh, parenting style. She is an utter control freak and DEMANDS perfection at EVERY turn. If my daughter had a single HAIR out of place, she was made to re-brush her hair for 100 strokes- no less. If my daughter had a single item of clothing left on the floor of her room, the room was torn up, and my daughter was made to clean it up all over again. Things like that. My daughter began suffering, Yet she continued to WANT to be with her Mimi because she loved her. Finally it came to a head one night when she was staying over. Her Mimi is older- in her late 70's, although VERY healthy and active. But even in the summer, she keeps her home at a sweltering 78 degrees. NEVER less than that. It is STIFLING in there at ALL times. My daughter was breaking out in horrific acne from sweating. My daughter had enough one night, and attempted to turn the thermostat down. This sent her Mimi into a rage and a physical fight broke out. I got a phone call at 1 am from her Mimi saying I needed to pick her up RIGHT THIS INSTANT because of the thermostat. Mimi has since been completely cut out of lives at my DAUGHTER'S request. She finally had enough and had to put the love for her Mimi on ther backburner. Even at the tender age of 11 she had the self awareness to know no matter how much she loved her Mimi, this couldn't continue. All of us, including my daughter's father, Mimi's Grandson, has cut off contact with her and we have not seen or spoken to her since that date. And I can honestly say, my daughter is THRIVING now!!

[@OnTropolis]

I'm sorry she went through all that and I hope the rest of her life is amazing 💕

[@twinthang007]

I feel bad for this child no doubt, but I'm feeling like the deck is stacked against the grandmother too. She wants to do better, but doesn't have the resources to do do so. The house sounds deplorable, for either one of them to have to live in, but the mom just dipped out and the dad is in jail...leaving the grandmother (who already lives in sqaller) to raise their child. This happens all too often.

[@pamelaruth7400]

but there was testimony that the grandmother is sending her money to the dad who is her son in jail

[@twinthang007]

@@pamelaruth7400 I'm sure she isn't dropping thousands on him. Probably for ramem noodles and soap.

[@BrookeAmber007]

Agree but foster care is no better.

[@tias2705]

Mom's rights were terminated. They mentioned previously CPS involvement and said something that sounded like she'd been abused when she was younger.

[@tias2705]

​@@twinthang007It's not just Ramen and soap. Food, toiletries, clothing, writing materials, and phone calls are all commissary. Plus, grandma is definitely paying for lawyers and fines and whatever else to get him out.

[@topercious]

These 2 people don't have any sense. Good thing cps is involved. God help her and bless her.

[@cduncan3713]

The majority of the ladies answers revolve around money, funds. She's fishing for the state to pay for everything. When ask what had changed it was all physical things. No mention of any skills she's learned to deal with her .

[@MamaBlisss]

Thank-you OT! You have been busy and we appreciate you!

[@liciewhiteley7376]

WOW!!! Grandmother is completely oblivious and she has taught Dad to be in serious denial. Love is great but if you dont what that looks like its not going to do much good. Plus if you cant take care of yourself how are you to care for others😢 I feel so bad for this little girl💔

[@Formoneyclicksandviews]

The child has no chance with dad controlling the show. He shook his head when mom was asked about his charges. You could clearly see it. Dad controls this circus. Its easy to beat up on grandma but I believe grandma is doing what dad says. Seems she's scared of him.

[@bonnienelson7373]

GRANDMA!!! STOP!!!! Give your granddaughter a chance + let her go!! You can NOT give her what she needs.

[@livincountry]

You can tell Grandma is very scared of her son. And probably the child too. Smh sad

[@bibsgrl]

Why did no one pick up on the fact that grandma is financially supporting the dad in jail...yet keeps saying she can not get the child to therapy or provide adequate living....dad put himself in jail, three hots and a cot should be enough for him....plus it seemed CPS was more concerned for grandma then the child

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

To be fair, they should be concerned for Gma and should've contacted Adult Protective Services to get her care while Carly gets care and recovery in an actual home.

[@jackiemarini3203]

Do you know how embarrassed that girl would be living that way 😢😢😢

[@CrazyCrystal8175]

This is so scary and sad!💔😢🙏 When you honestly believe that Diet Mountain Dew will work the opposite as regular Mountain Dew does on a Teenager w/ADHD🤔😲😢😳😢😲😳 ...then i think its safe to say that you need to get help for yourself. ❤🙏You cant help somebody else when you struggle to help yourself😢💔🙏

[@conniebowen9460]

As a mom of two adhd kids, the idea about caffeine helping slow them down is correct. Her understanding that it was the fact it was diet did something is where my concern comes in. Basic science tells us if you have one upper (hyperactivity), and add another to it (caffeine), it can help in the very short term. No, it's not enough, or appropriate, but you would be surprised the number of educators who still rely on this when there is a melt down at school. "I had a rough day. I was not able to focus or concentrate, abs Miss Jones was awesome. She took me to the teacher's lounge, and gave me a cold Dr. Pepper (coke, mt dew, etc) to get my mind off my day, and being in there with her really helped. Mom, I really like Miss Jones.) Happens more often than you may think 🤔

[@CrazyCrystal8175]

​@@conniebowen9460 Wow, Thank you for explaining all of that because I honestly didn't know that!🙆‍♀️😊💜

[@chrisDeBona]

This stuff is sad...no matter the outcome of any of these cases, the children always suffer at some level...even if the parents do get better, that child will have scars....just sad...it's a learning experience watching these things...

[@irenekegel5988]

As long as they kept away from this father and grandparents , so they can get the help they need

[@CeceliaHill-vt5jd]

It's amazing to me how people are attacking the cps and foster care without making it clear if family was taking basic care of the child they would not be involved

[@CrazyCrystal8175]

This dad is Selfish and Pathetic! IMO, When you don't put your child in school, THAT IS A FORM OF ABUSE! Id be scared of him too! I just noticed that when Ms Keller Greene asks the father a challenging question, the way he raises his voice just a little bit gives me goosebumps every time! Id be scared of him too!

[@patriciaevans5906]

Grandma is afraid of dad or thinks he’s a good guy

[@CelluliteYogaPants]

The child can’t sleep so grandma decided to “treat” her with diet Mt. Dew! A 12 year old child that doesn’t even have a bed and is sleeping in the same RV bed as grandma. ( Grandma has COPD so does grandma sleep with a Cpap? That is complete speculation but those are really loud. )

[@fukujuamaterasu]

"Miss Collard Green...." Is it just me? 🤷‍♀ Pass the cornbread!

[@OnTropolis]

Not just you

[@Talk-to-the-Pugs]

You have had 12 years with this child, you screwed her up now you think meds and counseling will FIX her.

[@Nosillamp]

Diet Mountain Dew for a child to sleep? No hot water? This granny is not equipped AT ALL.

[@Sirek6]

As a mom of 3 special needs kids, this broke my heart. It takes so much time and dedication to get them the help they need. I think the grandma tried her best but it sounds like she has some issues herself with the Mountain Dew comment and the deplorable trailer living conditions. It’s very sad

[@TheDiana1988]

Its not grand moms job to take care of her.

[@tammyanderson2372]

I know the Mountain Dew comment sounds ridiculous but my brothers therapist told my mother to give my brother coffee before school bc the caffeine has the opposite affects for children with ADD-JS

[@tamijapink6671]

Minnesota Dance Talent- I was able to see the grandmothers sadness when they talked about their living conditions, But I believe she wanted better but her bully of a son just dragged her down with him. If she was able to get away from her son she would probably be able to get the help she needs. I don’t know why adult protective services were not involved with this.

[@BrookeAmber007]

A lot of people say to give caffeine for adhd. It’s actually better than meds imo.

[@BrookeAmber007]

@@tammyanderson2372 my daughters dr told us to do a coke and it’s done wonders,

[@theL0VERS]

Whew a lot of people in Appalachia live like that. While there might not be a hoard the living conditions are the same. There are still people without running water in their home. Will cost far too much to have it installed. there are people that live out west in the desert that also have to have water shipped in regularly. I think Grandma is overwhelmed and she means the best but unless she was actually going to step up it would not be a good fit. I think she might be scared of her son who seems negligent.

[@PrissyTxTomboy]

I assure you that 95-99% of people in Bandera, Texas & surrounding areas in no way live like this grandmother is living. So sad!

[@jackiemarini3203]

Carly is a product of her environment😢😢So sad .I pray she gets all the help she needs.

[@mortychops]

I wonder if grandma would have been less defensive & made less excuses if Carly's father hadn't been on screen or a part of the hearing. Her testimony is highly contradictory to her actions leading up to the hearing. Having no hot water for 2 years & bathing 'down the clubhouse' once or twice a week denotes neglect to me in this day & age. I couldn't imagine going through puberty & not being able to shower or bath unless I went out of the house to my grandma's local club, sheesh😟

[@OnTropolis]

I have no doubt that now that there's no contact with the dad required, she'll have very different responses in conversations with the workers

[@chrisrine3755]

​@OnTropolis will you be sharing part 3,

[@juliefisk8066]

Diet mountain dew? Are you freaking kidding me?

[@tracyt.2534]

8 days of summer school? All these public places but took her out of school because of C!

[@grateful9181]

This is a much deeper problem than Grandmother can handle. She is confused, hurting and doesn’t know what to do.

[@lindseywaidelich9831]

When Mr. Odell is testifing to the CPS lawyer's questions, he can't keep his crap together and tries to intimidate the lawyer.

[@DeborahAckerman1234]

Been paying attention since the first video and The Grandmother isn’t taking any responsibility for her own abusive, and foul behaviors.. and her living conditions are deplorable.. and she doesn’t care about anything but not disappointing her son.. this is the height of dis function

[@patriciaevans5906]

This is crazy…this child doesn’t stand a chance in this family…think the grandma is afraid to make any decisions without checking with dad first. Dad’s been in and out of jail for years which didn’t help this child especially since she has these issues. Don’t think there any rules but dad’s rules.

[@KansasCityScientologyAudit]

CPS and GAL lawyer are spot on!!!

[@twelch8367]

Please get that child as far away from them as possible.

[@checkscherries923]

He reminds me of Voldemort.

[@projectionv.accountability1010]

Lord have mercy, I'm cringing in my very soul. I've homeschooled 4 kids between 2nd and 12th grade. This grandma is not... not... capable of homeschooling. I'm very, very open to exploring different ways of learning. One of my kids has severe OCD and ADD and homeschool was the only way I could get him to actually learn. I don't believe you need to have a teaching degree to HS but, I'm sorry, if you think DIET Mountain Dew is something to "give" a child who she believes has ADD because it does the "opposite"?! No.This is a big signal of her (in)capacity to teach. Having to take washcloth baths at her age, with what sounds like emotional issues, is really bad for her personal development and habits. It sounds like school was not working (it happens) so she took her out to HS- but realized she's not able to manage her, so she just took her to parks and stuff to get her out of the house. Loving her granddaughter doesn't mean she's a good caretaker.

[@JenniferPositivity]

Is there a part #3 @OnTropolos? I would love to see more of this case. This poor child my heart breaks for her and i hope she is thriving now.🙏

[@harmonyfox]

She’s in 7th grade at a 3rd grade level. How sad.

[@tracyt.2534]

Abusing her (punching her in the face) is not helping her! Structure & routine along time ago would have helped! The way she said she is “stubborn” & her phone! She’s 12 and has some 3rd grade levels! 😢😢😢💔

[@marlayneboblett1267]

Whoa, diet Mountain Dew works opposite of caffeinated one? Grandmas responses are not rational. Grandmas health does not seem adequate to care for the child. The father cannot sit still, his rocking is not good. His eyes do not look right.

[@Orderofthepheonix]

Great place, great staff, great doctors

[@gracecollins4568]

Dad and grandmother lie to each other then try to sit here and cover for each other. I believe they love her but grandma is a grandma and dad acts like jail is the perfect excuse for everything. Stay out of jail. Like love her enough to stay out….

[@lsansing1783]

Grandmaw was trying, but is clearly in over her head. Dad has issues and didn't make the best decisions for the child.

[@Grimm299]

Was she? Was she really trying?

[@lsansing1783]

@@Grimm299 the whole family seems to have low IQ. The grandmother and dad are confused by questions. Yes I think she was trying, but isn't capable.

[@FCWW87]

Mr Odell looks rough. Like cancer treatment rough.

[@cherriberri7161]

In my opinion I don’t think this grandmother can provide a stable home for this poor child. The child needs a good permanent long term stable clean home.

[@MirandaWrights1024]

I'm stuck on this heartbreaking case! 💔😭 Tysm for all your hard work, Ontropolis, it's truly appreciated!!

[@CaliMishell]

Listening to the donor babble now. Holy hell. What a nightmare for this child.

[@tracyt.2534]

Dad reminds me of that guy on Hellraiser the movie.

[@pantaleimona]

This case, if things are indeed a they appear, breaks my heart. I don't think either Dad or Grandma are any better functioning than the child. Even if they possess a higher IQ than she, they are too close to the situation to even begin to see it clearly. Perspective seems to have been completely obscured by a "certainty" that just one more try will surely yield the desired result.

[@barbaradoolin4514]

IMO grandma is clueless!

[@rhianabrooke]

My son barely talked til 2.5. It wasnt because he couldn't, he's just an introvert. Hes always been the type to stand back and observe before he engages. Unfortunately, he has some speech issues, which hes been getting lessons for for 3yrs. That alone has caused other issues with reading and ELA. Which in turn has caused emotional issues. Its a tough road. Its kinda like the chixken or the egg. Does the disability cause the emotions or do the emotions cause the disability. And it takes a lot of time, effort, patience and trial and error to figure it all out. Were so lucky that his school is very involved and has been on top of helping him every way possible. This is what this little girl needs. Not to mention.... some parents/guardians need to know when they are out of their pay grade. If a child is going thru something that cannot be figured out in the home, its time to call in resources. I think some parents/guardians want to think they can solve it all, so they end up in a dire situation. We have to recognize when our babies need help we just dont know how to provide.

[@NotCupcakes]

Why is deadbeat dad able to testify about what granny said. She is a witness not an interveener and not an involved party. in the 27 minute mark

[@rlshieldsok]

I love the kid's attorney

[@Godlim17]

TLDR: My daughter has a speech and language disorder and delay and has behavioral issues as a result. Carly's are partially probably this but also being compounded by grandmas poor understanding as well as trauma. My oldest has autism and developmental delays one of her main ones is language. She didn't start talking in sentences until 5. She has a lot of behavioral issues that are rooted in an inability to be able to communicate her needs, wants, and sensory issues. I have a feeling this girl is probably in the same boat. But also has the genuine primal wound of the loss of her mother and the trauma related to her living situation. As well as trauma related to the father's incarceration and addiction. My daughter, we needed to learn to parent in a way that was based on connection but also based on her understanding of language and processing. If she doesn't understand something we take time for her to process, we rephrase something. We give her time to process and formulate her thoughts. If we don't do that she gets very frustrated and either shuts down (most of the time) or rarely becomes explosive because she is unable to understand what's going on or what's being asked of her. I can't imagine what it would feel like to be the grandmother in this situation without much guidance or understanding of her granddaughter's disability but also having to deal with her son's bad choices. I hope that everyone involved gets the therapy and education needed for emotional and intellectual growth.

[@conniebowen9460]

This has been the most sensitive and kind comment on this thread. Thank you. Feeling for the child, and not burning grandma at the stake. I think the man in the orange jumpsuit probably abused (still would be doing so if he was out) his momma, and more than likely her husband(s) did as well. Neither grandma or dad should ever say anything to her about the case. But I did like the judge putting Harris in her place, telling her he's going to wait for a mental health professional, and not a lawyer to make mental health recommendations. I know she was only trying to do what her heart days this child needs, but she wouldn't like it if the judge allowed a mental health professional to argue a legal case. 🤔

[@katherinedrew8461]

My daughter has the same type of delays and diagnosis. Not being understood can be frustrating to my daughter. It's is heartbreaking

[@ItIsWhatItIs8120]

Absolutely I agree with her behavior was not tolerated by other kids ? It's not her being bullied it's her being confronted and corrected by her peers !

[@SydneyBooksMusic]

This is just too big, too much, too out of the league for grandma. I hope she can get a chance to be a grandmother but whether she may or not, only time can tell. She just can’t be the FT caregiver.

[@theaprilnesscompton9686]

I am kind of wondering as to both gma and Dad's mental capacity honestly...I realize different folk are raised differently, but to be honest, the fact that the child is that unruly and was not already under a doctor's care, which would've helped ....

[@sherrileduc4220]

That child did not stand a chance with a dad like that and a Grandmother(His mom)-(no water heater for a couple of years? please. Give her Diet Mt. Dew? The caffeine works the opposite when the soda/pop is diet??? The Gma needs education. She cannot remember what he has been arrested for but pretends to look away as son shakes his head when Jennifer asks about specific charges.

[@tracyt.2534]

She couldn’t find it in all the mess and clutter.

[@PrissyTxTomboy]

Dang it, missed the premier 'cause I was watching the 1st part! This judge/court is 2 counties north of me, but Grandma lives within minutes of me in Bandera County. So dang sad.

[@jessicaeaton3183]

This case is heartbreaking 😢Diet Mt Dew as a sleep aid?!!!!!

[@SuperCelliott]

There is something wrong with the dad. It is a very sad situation for this little girl

[@youtubestreets3915]

Thanks for sharing, are you going to be there for the March hearing?

[@susandouglas5710]

Ms. Keiler-Green looks so stressed talking to the grandma & the dad 🤬🤬

[@gino007able]

I come from a time when you had to fill a stove with coal to get 2 inches of hot water in the bath tub, now it's a problem being poor. the state has money to pay someone else to raise the kids.

[@ellehammer7274]

I feel bad for the grandma, but in all honesty I would never trust her with a child. She herself is barely surviving.

[@shelisaosborn487]

Diet mountain dew to help a child sleep???!!! I'm a parent of 2 small boys that do not sleep I have NEVER heard this ridiculous! Slap myself in the face

[@NotCupcakes]

Omg, did this disgraceful granny just say "they will find out what's wrong way th her "(Carly.) Lady you are what's wrong, you and your poor excuse of a son is " what's wrong with her"

[@ifynwamma]

Poor Grandma! What a stupid Dad and Son. I hope this girl gets the help she clearly needs.

[@awkwardlyamy3765]

I love Jennifer Harris, she is amazing

[@mr.waldodebaldo3208]

The fathers got the meth rock going on back and forth