Part 2: Starting Lineup Combinations And Where Jaden Ivey Fits In The Detroit Pistons Rotation

In part two of our conversation with Laz Jackson and Sean Corp, we discuss possible starting lineup combinations and where Jaden Ivey fits in this year's Detroit Pistons rotation.
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[@kamalwhitmore2750]

I don’t think you guys understand what bad coaching does to talent.

[@eltonc8999]

I'm a bit confused. why is it perceived as hate if you don't like a player. everyone is entitled to an opinion. I like Jaden Ivey. I want him on the team. But we all know, and Jaden Ivey knows that he MUST BE BETTER!!

[@scottwickett1273]

Exactly!

[@86Sentra]

💯

[@cordelldemattei5446]

Ku, it is interesting to me that you want to throw out Ivey’s good streak in January as an exception. This streak correlates exactly to when Cade was out and they actually had to run things with Ivey. I see this not as an anomaly, but as what Ivey can contribute if he is included in the plan and not just standing at the three point line waiting for a late clock kick out to be forced to jack up a shot or plow into a crowded lane. The offense actually moved faster in this stretch and they won a few games.

[@craigg5052]

I’m ready for the season to start and get over this speculation.

[@57otis60]

If Ausar & Cade can continue to improve, why can’t Ivey? He’s a better finisher at the rim than Cade and isn’t far off shooting wise from 3 (34% to Cade’s 35.5). He’s 22, was his 2nd year in the league and had to play under the same terrible spacing and was hit the hardest from Monty’s horrid coaching. I’m not a huge Ivey guy but he’s certainly better than Ku gives him credit for. He’s shown potential.

[@LockedOnPistons]

Plz stop using raw 3pt% to try and force the idea that Ivey/Cade are comparable as shooters, they’re simply not

[@57otis60]

@@LockedOnPistons but Ivey isn’t far off. You act like he’s Ausar shooting wise. He had a rough year but was misguided under Monty. You act like he has no upside and can’t improve but the guys you like can. It’s weird hate.

[@obi3924]

⁠​⁠@@57otis60Obviously he can and will likely get better, but how high do you think his ceiling is? All star? Starter on a contender? Bench player on a contender? He has too many deficiencies to make me think that he can even be a starting guard on a contending team. Poor decision maker, poor shooter, poor defender. He’s like the opposite of Jrue Holiday. If his ceiling isn’t at least a starter on a contending team, then I don’t see a problem with trading him. I think he’ll likely be more fit for a bench role, like Jordan Clarkson or Malik Monk

[@Beastmode298]

@@57otis60 He wants to be right about Cade more than anything lol, these fans have it in their head that Cade is guaranteed to be a star and thats why I say there's no more excuses for him moving forward, start the most spacing possible next to him and we should make that jump no if ands or buts, and no more "knee management" 💯

[@scottwickett1273]

@@57otis60 He is VERY far off, google "shot diet" and get back to me. (How did you get so stupid?!?!?)

[@eddielacrosse2]

Lmfaoooooo at the end of the

[@Antonio-h7c]

The Ivey hate from ku getting outta hand he never mentioned team got better numbers without cade

[@bullpenrecords6693]

Can we have a real convo here ....this dude ku is horrible he's the most bias dude I've ever seen he's always calling for jobs and players to be traded etc the players i see him rooting and campaigning for are all similar and it's a little defense but can't shoot to save the family type players which i find ridiculous so locked on please can we get change

[@ronaldmcdonald1977]

You cant have Ivey and Cade. Pick one. it wont work

[@craigg5052]

Did the same thing to Stew but Stew showed him wrong.

[@Antonio-h7c]

@@ZeeKee-q1n facts

[@Antonio-h7c]

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 cap

[@kevinbillingslea2412]

Stop this Ivey hate....... the Pistons need to find our if they are gonna give Ivey a rookie extension... he's starting.. stop this bullshit

[@scottwickett1273]

Realistically, Ivey is only starting if they are deliberately tanking (again).

[@Bogamonster]

Ku, Ausar is a good young prospect that the Pistons need to continue to develop but you are a little too emotionally attached to him. He will be better served developing in a bench role to start the season. He like will get more ball handling opportunities on the bench than in the starting lineup as well. Now I will admit now that I am probably too emotional attached to Jaden Ivey but I will make my case anyway. I have more belief than any other young player not named Cade, he can develop a above average three point shot. He was hurt I think more so than Cade by the lack of spacing last year. He so far has been the healthiest of the young players we have. Now everyone talks about how bad he was in the last third of the season which he was. But he had no help. Cade, Duren, Ausar, fontecchio, Stewart, and grimes were all injured. He was playing with 14 g leaguers almost every night with three people drop into the paint on his drives. The opponents only needed to guard Ivey. Not to mention he said in the end of year interview he was playing through a ankle injury.

[@LockedOnPistons]

No issue with your thoughts, season starting soon we’ll get answers!

[@86Sentra]

Nah ausar does so much you gotta watch the games. He is also our best perimeter defender by a long shot. Best rebounder after JD. If we can get some real offense going sky is limit

[@Truthtella]

Ivey will start and be on this team. Most don't really focus on team play they focus on what Cade needs. This has never been about the Pistons team it been about what Cade needs. Ku clearly doesn't understand the importance of coach believing in their player. Monty was forced to play Ivey. So we shall see.

[@LockedOnPistons]

Maybe you don’t understand why a coach didn’t believe in Ivey?

[@Truthtella]

@@LockedOnPistons If that were the case why was he fired? If Monty was right. Why is Duren on record saying he wasn't trying the whole season? Why is it that Duren and Ivey took steps forward as rookies under a coach who prioritized them in Casey. Then completely fell off the map with a coach who clearly didn't prioritize development. That sounds like a coaching and environment problem to me. Doesn't seem to be a conducive for growth but hey what do I know. You let me know you have the inside info. Right. Only time will tell.

[@Truthtella]

@@LockedOnPistonsI'll be fair. Here's a fair question. Name one young Pistons player outside of Cade (who was in his 3rd year) that got tangible better? If Monty was right about Ivey.

[@LockedOnPistons]

Monty getting things wrong =\= he didn’t have a reason to not like Ivey

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

​@@Truthtella Stew improved last year. Sadly local media doesn't want to admit that Stew should probably be starting this season. JB is walking into a mess and will be criticized all season for rotations and minutes.

[@madroxwasright4277]

Make or break year for Ivey. If he doesn’t really shine this year, he’s pretty much in No Return Bust territory because he will never have trade value again. Honestly, fair or not because of his supporting cast, Cade is looking like a future John Wall kind of situation, too. Might be best to just go ahead and pass all of the painful Troy Weaver kidney stones and truly start from square one.

[@unclesam6972]

Like from that one pod, I really want to see Ausar at the 2 😳💯

[@greenecarlos93]

@@unclesam6972 me too I think that would be our best line up

[@DavidRichardson-ge2ho]

Truth is, the Pistons roster issues would be resolved if they kept Hayes as back up PG. Yes Hayes got plenty of "run" under Monte and was inefficient. But, he was misplayed as the 2 guard sitting in the corner while Cade ran the show. Nothing wrong with Cade having the ball. But except for a brief stretch in his rookie year before he got hurt, Hayes seldom got a chance to play with the ball as a traditional PG with guys on the floor who could shoot or cut.

[@AndrewPolander]

Ivey off the bench for sure.....and the Ausar development should be the #1 priority moving forward! The most interesting dynamic this year will be how JB handles that 5 position! Winning games and the Cade..Ausar leaps will be the story moving forward!

[@MikeyP123]

I don’t think anyone realizes how far ausar is from developing an offensive game. He was the worst shooter in the league with a very poor handle.

[@nemss100]

Ku is the same guy who was high on killian hayes and Isaiah livers but hates Ivey he said levers was a good three and D guy look at him now and why is he a Asur Stan he will never be able to shoot dude couldn’t throw a Cheerio threw a holla hoop his handle stinks Beasley is another Burks without the handle this Les dude sucks also he has nothing to say good about Ivey ever dude is another Cade and Asur Stan . Ivey has the most elite skill in the NBA speed get space around one of the fastest players in the nba speed is what coach’s love he can brake the defense down every play and get easy buckets

[@Justchancedit]

For The Record, I hope Ivey thrives, that makes him and Cade one of those Good Problems. I just don't think it happens. I hope I'm wrong - which I'm wrong a lot.

[@LockedOnPistons]

I hope I’m wrong as well!

[@CaptainKneegrowMan]

Well damn….that end tho… I think that I should go play with my dog………

[@LockedOnPistons]

😂😂😂😂

[@Antonio-h7c]

Think cade need to play more off ball asuar and ivey need more on Ball reps starting lineup if trying to compete should be cade Beasley fronttechio Tobias duren if trying to compete while giving young players playing time cade Ivey asuar Tobias duren if tanking cade ivey Holland asuar stew

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Stew is probably one of the four best players on the team. His ceiling is lower than some others but he wins

[@Antonio-h7c]

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I think he like 6 th best on team and don't have a true position yet

[@scottwickett1273]

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Stew is the second-best player on the team.

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

​@@scottwickett1273no he isn't thats ivey which actual Playing time. And stew isn't it at all.

[@scottwickett1273]

@@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce No he fucking is not, and you are really fucking stupid if you believe that. Stew is better than all of his teammates except Cade; blame Weaver.

[@alton0802]

It’s crazy to be out on a player after two 2 years. His first year he played point after Cade gets hurt second year gets benched to a player not in the league. I like Cade but yall act like he’s the next Luka. Even he needs more time to develop

[@LockedOnPistons]

There’ll never be a point in time on a team with Cade Cunningham that Ivey will have h to e same level of usage he had his rookie season

[@chadsweatt9648]

Damn that was dark. It makes me wonder is Sean the secret emperor of Darth Ku?

[@LockedOnPistons]

lmaoaoa😂😂

[@scottwickett1273]

All analysis of this team SHOULD be "dark"; they are still hopelessly fucked forever because they are still the dumbest team out of 30 by a wide margin.

[@jbrandy-un9vv]

playing him next to Sasser was worst than the Killian stretch

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Lical media gets information from the front office, players, and coaches. At the start of the season mist wanted Monty fured for not starting Ivey. A couple months ago most talked about Ivey being a bust or at least a bad fit with Cade. Who is the source for the shift in thought about Ivey? I'm one of Ivey's biggest supporters, but I have mixed thoughts about starting Ivey. I wanted to add a starting PG this summer but it didn't happen so now Ivey's role is unclear. Ivey could easily shoot 36% from three which would be close to THJ with better passing and more upside.

[@scottwickett1273]

I mean, it's not a "shift in thought" for me.

[@babycakes9976]

Ivey pushed his way to pick 5. Malik Monk is a 👍 example. Keegan is more and more the 3d star in the making. DeRozan will help his ceiling

[@obi3924]

@@ZeeKee-q1nNo one cares about one game though. Sadiq Bey had a 50 point game a couple seasons ago, and he might be a bench player for the rest of his career

[@nemss100]

Ivey bust Keegan as everytime they play

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

​@@obi3924No one cares about one game?? Then you mention bey as a straw man as well. Dude stated Ivey helped them win which was true. Are you high?? Didn't the pistons have a role player drop 50 and loose?? Sometimes a player can get hot. But ivey isn't a role player who just got lucky.

[@obi3924]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@BreakingSanitywithSaintAceHow is mentioning Bey a straw man? And how are those players role players that got lucky, but Ivey isn’t? Is he a star? The issue with Ivey is that he has so many deficiencies that he’ll most likely never be a star, which by itself, is ok. But how good of a role player can he be? The most impactful aspects of good role players are usually defending and shooting, and he’s not good at either. Especially defense. Look at Derrick White, KCP, Caruso, even Jalen Suggs. These are guards that can all shoot, but their impact actually comes from their defense and high level processing. Ivey will likely fit better as a bench role in the future.

[@Justchancedit]

Thank you, man

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

The roster should be Cade,Ivey,Fontechhio,Tobias and Duren. No belief in Ivey but you believed in Hayes?? We have more spacing and Ivey is a speed merchant. Ivey can defend better then Malik beasly. Ku you explained how Ivey has been down with touches. Thats because of the trash ivey was playing with. His catch and shoot numbers better. Monty messed up alot of numbers also Ivey needs to grow like all players. A block a game is amazing for guards. This hate is wild Especially since Beasly is Alec burks lite. Ivey can score from all 3 levels.

[@LockedOnPistons]

What evidence do we have that Ivey can score at the 2nd level?

[@scottwickett1273]

Your lineup just went 14-68 again because they gave up 200 PPG.

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

@@LockedOnPistons He has a midrange that came alive last year. And he shoots 35 from the 3. He can hit off the dribble 3s. Ivey is a threat that defenders have to stay attached to and they run at him from 3. Inclose Ivey is shifty with his footwork and quickness to get anywhere. His speed alone unlocks his whole game and he is hitting 3s. Ivey's main problem was spacing now we have that. He has that floater he has off the glass shots as well. Ivey can get whatever shot he wants.

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

@@scottwickett1273 Thats not even remotely the same lineup. You're guys stew and killian started. On my list stew is on the bench. Ans hayes is where he should be gone.

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

@@LockedOnPistons Iveys freethrows and his shot percentage at the rim. Is beyond whatever guards we have. How effortlessly he gets into the paint. Thats a huge strength. And his 3 he was shooting it at 36 percent last season. Ivey's concerns was his shooting and he has showed he can shoot. He has always been a bucket. And he is a 3 level scorer outside of Cade for our young. Guys now Defenders give him even more of a chance to blow by them. Because they have to guard him from 3. Plus his mid will only get better. And the line up i named offers Ivey spacing. This just isn't about Cade. Ivey is 1b and needs to be utilized more.

[@nemss100]

Ausar is not a nba player you can’t get by on just Defense since when has defense mattered more than offense Ron is better trade Ausar

[@obi3924]

Defense is probably the most important aspect of any impactful role player lmao. It’s easier to build off of good defense and learn to be a good shooter, than it is to build off of only good shooting and become a good defender. Most of the high impact role players in the league are elite defenders, like Jrue Holiday or Derrick White.

[@MikeyP123]

@@obi3924this is not necessarily true. A lot of young guards struggle on defense because they are playing against grown men or have mental lapses where they don’t know when to rotate. There are players who never become good shooters just like there are players who never commit to becoming good defenders

[@MikeyP123]

Ivey about to prove a lot of people wrong this season. These team will go as far as Cade and Ivey take them

[@ronaldmcdonald1977]

Doubt it bro. But if some miracle, God blesses Ivey Gump with some talent to go with that speed, boy look out.

[@jarrellsmall211]

Yea Ku, the Ivey hate atp is very obvious and kinda lame tbh. Believing in some of the guys you wanted here that turned out terrible....but hating on Ivey is a huge discredit to you. I'm all for building around Cade, but this team looked better with JI at the point, especially before he slumped toward the end.

[@scottwickett1273]

Why do you wrongly and delusionally believe that this can accurately be described as "hate"?

[@cordelldemattei5446]

Drafting Ron Holland and brining Ivey off the bench means one thing: they are looking to ship him out. Ivey isn’t going to sign any extension with a cellar-dwelling team to come off the bench.

[@MrTonyJ]

I still see more with Ivey than I ever saw with Killian or Doumboya. Yes people were super high on them. I do blame Monty for ruining his confidence from what he looked like in the summer. Even his shooting mechanics changed. I still believe.

[@greenecarlos93]

He’s mid af

[@Truthtella]

One thing that I can say Ivey has never done that Cade has done twice. Shot 28% from 3pt for a season even with all his inconsistency and I don't need a bunch of Advance stats to prove that. So all the non objective cherry picking stats won't change that fact. Lol

[@LockedOnPistons]

Spot up #’s and finishing at the rim are cherry picked numbers?💀

[@Truthtella]

@@LockedOnPistons So this is why I say you cherry pick. You love to focus on last year Ivey but never really talk about the positives in his rookie season like you did for Cade from 2 and half years. Cade shot piss poor his first two seasons. Did not finish well his first 2 seasons but yet you would come on here and say I believe in Cade I have some positive numbers to show that this can change. You don't do that for Ivey. Your only focus seems to be Cade. What he needs and how Detroit can't lose him. You've been down on Ivey since he got to Detroit. Maybe that's just my observation. Its okay to disagree all I ask for is objectivity. Give the same leeway you gave Cade to develop instead of expecting Ivey to be developed in the worst conditions and faster than you expected for Cade.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Stew improved as a shooter last year. Ivey will do so this year. It won't silence the critics in either case. But Stew is desired by playoff teams for a reason.

[@Truthtella]

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 That's true and fair but Stew was in his 4th year right? Correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm pointing out is the lack of objectivity when it comes to certain players. For instance. This is what will be said about Ausar. Monty was using him inefficiently. Then some cherry picked advanced metric on a small sample size that shows why he should be starter. Then explanations on how Monty had no plan for him then a whole host of ideas will be spouted off about how Monty should have been using him so he can be effective but with Ivey throw him to the bench and give him a smaller role. That's best role. Never talking about how he should used or how it could work next to Cade. That's the idea for Ivey right. Instead of actually listening to what JB has clearly said about how Ivey should be used and he thinks that Cade and Ivey can work. Nope it's alway a bunch of videos how it hasn't worked even though sample size is meager at best. Vidoes/X posts on why Ausar should start even though he is a complete non shooter. Funny thing is I like all these players from Ausar, Cade, Ivey, Duren, and Holland to me all have special talent. Just want to see these guys get a fair shot before having to eventually separating them. That's all I'm saying

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

@@Truthtella everyone has favorites and players they don't expect to develop. Is Drew 24 months older than Ivey? Yet we act like he's already in his prime. If a player is in there prime from 25-30 or so, Stew is about three years from his prime. It's valid for opinion media to believe Ivey doesn't have it because none of the Weaver picks have proven themselves yet. Ku frequently talks about spot up three point shooting. To me that sounds like he wants more Cade heliocentric offense next season. Cade being on ball almost 100% of the time was discussed in this video. One of the guests even talked about the concerns related to taking the ball out of Cade's hands. I can't help but notice Cade's body language didn't seem great when he was playing off ball and Ivey was playing point. It will be very difficult for Ivey to succeed if Cade doesn't buy in. On the other hand Ivey improving may solve all the issues.

[@thehuntjack3644]

Remember a couple years ago when everyone had so much faith in Cade, Ivey, and Duren? Wtf happened? Well, Monty happened. He ruined the chemistry with the whole team. And the outlook on the young squad. So I say you can’t judge how Ivey played last szn. Or anyone. We have to wait till this next szn plays out. Cade and Ivey will play well together. Ivey deserves a chance to have shooters around him just as Cade does.

[@ronaldmcdonald1977]

Lies. No1 had faith in Ivey at all, you making up stuff bro. Cade progressed under Monty and so did Duren. Even Stewart put up better numbers across the baord. Yall be making up stuff thinking people wont fact check? Ivey had identical crappy numbers under Monty. Yall trying to use Monty to make sense of why Ivey didnt improve? he was the same player. Hes a mamas boy. He seems weak, always crying and licking his ashy lips.

[@scottwickett1273]

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 Why "even Stewart"? He is infinitely better than Duren at this point.

[@Rab444]

Ku loved Killian and Isiah Livers but have no tolerance for Ivey. Unbelievable.

[@Beastmode298]

A lot of Pistons fans are just Cade fans 😂

[@bullpenrecords6693]

weirdo and a pure hater we need a new host trade him immediately

[@bullpenrecords6693]

Sic of the ku flu

[@scottwickett1273]

@@bullpenrecords6693 Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back! (Seriously, you're being a fucking asshole and you should stop.)

[@scottwickett1273]

@@ZeeKee-q1n Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back! (Seriously, you're being a fucking asshole and you should stop.)

[@mychangeman]

Ku, keep up the good work but it’s Wild had you had so much hope and benefit of the doubt for Killian when he never showed anywhere close to Iveys ability but give up Ivey so quick. I know you wanted Sharpe and you may be right about Ivey but give the kid the same energy you have Killian and Sekou.

[@LockedOnPistons]

Thank you! I think people are not understanding why Killian I gave more time: Killian was drafted at beginning of rebuild and all 4 years of his career, the Pistons weren’t trying to win. So giving Killian a chance every year, if it didn’t work, it didn’t matter because they were trying to lose anyways. Ivey is in unfortunate decision because year 3 they’re trying to improve and win, so the clock isn’t as patient on Ivey as Killian simply because the point of the rebuild in which they were drafted. I hope that gives more insight and understanding into where I’m coming from and why I was at where I was.

[@marcorolo4726]

Beasley should start at the 2. He’s one of the best shooters in the entire league and started 78 games for the fricken bucks. Why would he sit for Ivey on a bad team? And we have no backup PG. Ivey would develop better as a backup combo guard off the bench. If you do it right he would get minutes with Cade as a 2. And with Beasley as the point. And Beasley unlocks Cade better than most

[@nemss100]

Beasley 0 defense that’s like starting burks I mean if you want to have a non factor on defense if Ivey and Duran don’t start and make a jump this team won’t win over 20 games

[@greenecarlos93]

@@nemss100Ivey is a non factor on defense at least Beasley has had season where he was actually a good defender Ivey has never and probably will never be a good defender

[@nemss100]

@@greenecarlos93 ivey had 41 blocks 2024 Malik Beasley had 9 and That’s 23 out of all Guards I actually think he has the potential to be a good defender had some nice chase down blocks last year

[@philosoqhy]

This guy still advocating for Beasley to start at the 2 😂. Give it up bro

[@BreakingSanitywithSaintAce]

​@@greenecarlos93what season was that?? Its not this season or last year. 15 ppg can sit on the bench beasly is old. Also sasser is the backup PG didn't you watch??

[@LamronNormal-o1p]

This guy really hates Ivey yet loves Killian Hayes lol Ivey will start and be amazing under a coach with a brain in Bickerstaff

[@scottwickett1273]

I wish I shared your optimism.

[@craigg5052]

I’m not out on Ivey. I do hope he can be a serviceable defender.

[@craigg5052]

At the same time long term I can see Cade, Ron and Ausar starting.

[@LockedOnPistons]

I don’t have any issues with people not being out on him, the signs and potential are there!!

[@Leading_Lions]

He was delusional when talking about killian for 4 years lol

[@notalionsfanbut]

The Piston missed it by drafting ivy. It was like drafting mateen cleaves. You had to take ivy because of the back story that comes with him. Am I saying ivy is a bad player absolutely not. His timin here is a (square in a circle) type fit. its a bittersweet situation with ivy, you can trade him and there's success there or you can keep him and there's success there or you can be bench him also. The bad that you speak about ivy isn't that to be expected from a young player? Doesn't growth spurts come with the territory of drafting some player that is so young and raw? When you say ivey not as good as Kade, do you mean equally as matured efficient as Cade.

[@ShakirSmith-q4y]

I swear yall the most hated people on ivey

[@scottwickett1273]

It's not hate, he is simply a bad player.

[@LamronNormal-o1p]

People in the piston community love J.I It’s the Detroit piston “media” who tries to create narratives against J.I and cloud the judgment of their following

[@scottwickett1273]

@@LamronNormal-o1p This is simply untrue, I think? Opinion is divided on whether or not he is any good at all, and your slanderous accusations regarding the "media" don't change that fact.

[@ronaldmcdonald1977]

So Monty was right. Been saying from day 1. they cant co exist. Ivey doesnt suck, he needs the ball. I dont buy the excuse of Ivey being hampered because of coaching and lack of time. Other NBA players go through the same thing, and still develop. Hes a professional adult male, deal with it and get better. Ive never seen a grown man, coddled by other grown men as much as Ivey.

[@patrickoleary9979]

Totally agree on Ivey, KU. Point guard? I don't see it

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Ivey is a good passer, creator, and leader. He needs to improve efficiency just like Cade and Ivey needs to improve on defense.

[@Beastmode298]

I see it more with Ivey than Cade 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

@@Beastmode298 I prefer Cade as a point 2/3 and someone else playing PG. I'm not sure if Ivey will be the someone else but he has a chance.

[@scottwickett1273]

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 No, none of this is correct.

[@LockedOnPistons]

Based on what? Your feelings?

[@rafaelsantana4905]

Ivey needs to be good at something quickly, otherwise he'll have a short career

[@Beastmode298]

What is Cade good at?

[@obi3924]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Beastmode298Playmaking, pick and roll, and mid range shooting.

[@bullpenrecords6693]

short career? come on man he's a good player don't let the ku flu bug get to you

[@philosoqhy]

​@@obi3924If Cade was good at any of those aspects, why didn't it translate to any wins? Cade was responsible for 9wins last year in which all 9 of those wins came from depleted sub .500% win teams. He didn't beat one team last year that was .500%

[@obi3924]

@@philosoqhy Maybe because basketball’s a team sport?