Part 2- Teaching an Off the Track Thoroughbred to slow down and relax

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[@marylamb56]

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[@guemesferrytrail2380]

These horses, that have been used so hard as youngsters need help but so seldom find it and are given up on. This video is such a great example in how to help them find a way to relax in every gait. Thank you for this video and all the others you've made available.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet. 👍👌

[@stingray6154]

I saved one. Didn’t give up on him. Now, he’s a puppy dog and knows how loved he is. ❤️ they are so intelligent and should be give a chance.

[@comesahorseman]

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[@bitbybitfarmseast3085]

Lovely lovely mare. She seems so grateful that she can trust and understand you. Many people don’t “get” TBs. You sure do! Thanks for another nice video.

[@FaheemKhan-lc8gc]

Ryan, I live in Pakistan and stumbled on to you videos, but now I am hooked! I own two ex race horses, both are 4 years old. One of them really gave me a tough time, as he would not let anyone mount him, I picked up from your videos on what to do and applied it, just after 2 or 3 lessons, he is all sorted. Now both my daughters ride him and he is such a pleasure. Just wanted to reach out and thank you, as he really had me worried for a while

[@ratherbwithhorses]

We say the quarter horse works down and Thoroughbreds work up so sometimes it's good to ask what they are freetting about in their anticipation first and get it out of the way for that session , even when it's not perfect. Also trail riding helps some of them focus as the trail is a passive boundary and so relaxes some of them enough to find a nice swing. They are so talented and athletic with the go that put them in many disciplines.

[@bayliemeeker4275]

Amazing!!! So good to see this kind of work with worried horses!!

[@marylamb56]

Memory like an elephant. Thank you for reminding us, that slower gets us faster to both our goals! Both Man and horse! 👌👌👌

[@halfpiint]

*SPOT ON about how going slower gets us faster results for man as well as our hores. Amazing how we're hesitant, at first, to realize how true this is.*

[@KingsMom831]

Really great video again, it’s nice to see her progression. I’m so used to seeing Ryan on these stocky little QH’s 😂

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@KarenInCalif]

A joy to watch you work with horses. Your explanations are very helpful.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thank you!

[@KSLassie457]

So nice to see her relax in the cantor. She looked like she was enjoying the easy pace with no pressure. Beautiful video.

[@kimmiejoclark6943]

You can see her, kind of by habit, start to raise her head. Then remembers, oh, I don't have to do that.

[@SMTRodent]

This is a lovely update and wonderful to see. You communicate so clearly what is going on with the horse and also what you are doing and why you do it that way. It's great to see her relax.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks!

[@georgiana6598]

I used to re train ex race horses, straight off track and they lope trot. I felt they had a bit of fear turning on a smaller circumference, so yes, getting a rising trot it feels hesitent first backing of a new horse, loping rising trot is weird and forward straight faster longer strides really, then a corner a bit panicky, not able to see indoor areanas, the lighting was confusing for them, distance wise so scooping and leg aids without total grip helps. Being very light in weight helped me organise the horse, being a bit heavier now does need them to build up beef with a good wander around the place to make sure no back, ankle ribs neck injuries become apparent or not. Usually you can tell the obvious bad things almost straight away. Then get onto nice 2 hours of just alone work a day. They canter across. Collected, no! Love your video of this. Best wishes and thanks very much for saving these horses. You are very good and sturdy

[@annamcknight2573]

I know an old horseman who never uses anything else but a rubber bit. He has trained and retrained many horses, including stallions. They all go well and are 100% obedient.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Nice 👍

[@dianereiser6417]

Looks like she’s in good hands, nice and calm.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@amarshlain9788]

Excellent video, thank you.

[@ejh6022]

YES!! Flo is coming along really nice. Thank you for this 🙏

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet! 👍

[@idellawilson8654]

Oh! She’s doing great! These were such useful techniques- thanks for all your insight.

[@NewYearGrandpa]

This is a brilliant lesson .

[@gottasay4766]

Well done!

[@ironwolf1556]

I could almost see the horse smiling when she started figuring it out

[@mddmont]

Gosh she is GORGEOUS! Her canter looks very smooth. Great work!

[@windhits4800]

Your videos are so helpful thank you for making them😇🙏🏼

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet! Thanks for watching

[@kate3464]

Amazing how she softened right down for you!! She's beautiful, great wotk!!

[@meretefrandsen9340]

Very nice - enjoy watching and learning and be remindet of what to do and what not to do! Love your videos!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks!

[@leanneskitchengardenandplo9711]

Wow Sir, I do wish I had you to come see my mare. I’ve found your channel today and some of the communications your aiding to these horses make totally sense !. I’m a very calm person and its taken me so long to build up the ground respect and trust with my mare. She will be going for training in may for 2 weeks just a refresher. I’m really hoping for the best out come but I know that these thing are never a given with some abused and troubled horses. I’m going to take some of the things I’ve watched today on your channel and implement them into her daily training see how we get on. Thank you so much I’m truly enjoying your channel and all the great advice and confidence giving tips. Leanne UK 🇬🇧

[@ginnychibbaor4578]

Great schooling

[@belindasmith2195]

I wish you lived in Australia, your videos are amazing!!!!! Just got my second OTTB and going to start from the ground up using all your videos 🥳

[@samiejadrny1164]

your videos are so helpful, I have a spooky horse and she has gotten so much better, thank you!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Glad to hear it. Thanks

[@randolphbutler1832]

Looks so good as she moves on. Thank you for sharing. 🐴😷👍

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@alisalarson4196]

Very helpful thank you!

[@joycee5493]

Excellent. Been through all of this and worse with my OTTB mare that raced for six years. She was very worried, nervous and bracey. Very kind horse, but challenging at first. Her lips flapped constantly. Took it slow. Very slow. Nice job. Good luck

[@jillymet]

So interesting. I’m a new subscriber. I’m glad I found you.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Great 👍 thanks

[@jenniferlehman326]

Each horse is different. What works for one, may not work for another. They are individuals and sentient beings. Being an OTTB, she was first taught, any pressure on the bit meant go faster. Love seeing how you handled her Ryan Rose. From someone who delivers foals, backs 3 and 4 yr olds for the first time, usually ones I've delivered, and rehabbing horses from injury or "troubled" horses. I use rubber bits to start, then I go to the softest snaffle possible, usually with a lozange in the center. Some even end up preferring a Mylar D Ring Snaffle with Lozange. I've been around horses and working with them for 50+ years. Best Regards and Stay Safe Everyone. From Ontario, Canada, Jenn. 💖 💖 🇨🇦 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟

[@laraperrin4677]

J'aime beaucoup vos vidéo qui nous montrent la vérité sur les "problèmes" avec les chevaux, et pas seulement des exercices sur un cheval déjà instruit qui connait son job. Je ne parle pas anglais, mais heureusement il y a la traduction (quand elle veut bien fonctionner ;) ). J'aimerais avoir un professeur comme vous pour travailler. Good job

[@halfpiint]

*THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF what I call COWBOY DRESSAGE* which is worthy of admiration because regardless of the different terms or vocabulary *THIS IS DRESSAGE done in a RELAXED MANNER WHICH IS BASICALLY PROPER EDUCATION WITHOUT UNNECESSARY PRESSURE.* btw, I always considered myself a cowgirl in an English saddle❣️ 🤣🤣🎵🎶

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

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[@HobbitHomes263]

YEars ago I scored a job riding summer herd for a 5 ranch syndicate out of Sheridan. WHen I showed up at the line shack th eboss man was there unload my 6 horse string..2 thoroughbreds ..ugh...I thought. BUT once I got their minds wrapped around their NEW job there is none better for 14 hour days in the mountains. lungs and legs for DAYS and angles made for a comfy all day trot asa we moved form fence to fence and ridge to ridge looking and doctoring and just loving life. I did find that some had canons a bit to slender to stand the job but for the most part I found them best for that kind of work. DOwn on the ranch in the fall, I preferred a quarter horse because the ability and mind to change directions instantly and a mind to "tow: heavy things bellowing and flopping, became the job though, with time the OTTB could do those things too. WHat I liked about the ones I had was their sense of Life-up...life down? well sometimes not so much :)

[@roosalwaysthesun8759]

Well done lovely horse now 🙋🏻‍♀️🌹

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@famouskate9071]

Ah, I see Anna Mcknight mentioned the rubber bit and how her friend used it, even with stallions, and they were 100% obedient. Thank you for sharing this, Anna, More people need to know, less is more. Trust and training, not pain and force.

[@carolfyall688]

My Boy is the same! Well as She was. His head goes right up, always alert. Got rid of his severe bit and nose band and onto a snaffle. I need to do this calm trot more. My Boy just thinks go go go

[@loredelore7286]

Sweet little mare has a lot of quality. She is almost in the way she goes like a just broken in youngster.

[@chasitythornbrugh9489]

Race horses are taught to push thru the bit or brace against it when galloping (workouts). They use running type martingales when galloping. The fitter the horse the harder they pull. The rider stands in a posting position with riders weight on the knuckles on neck to hold the horse. This is why this horse runs with her nose in the air she is used to riding with a martingale. I used to gallop horses on the track.

[@sallypenno164]

Not all racehorses are ridden like that, nor do they pull and have their heads in the air.

[@imagineifyouwereaworm]

@@sallypenno164majority are though

[@halfpiint]

*GOOD ON YOU!! YES YOU ARE RIDING HER LIKE A DRESSAGE HORSE - THAT COMMUNICATION IS EXACTLY WHAT DRESSAGE IS ABOUT.* I know your job is harder because of her previous poor training, but Glad you are teaching her to stretch & relax. This horse's experience has nothing to do with the bit but with the previous hands holding the reins. Her head was UP because of tension which is, again, a result of poor training so she's very lucky she's in your care.. I'm enjoying your video. What you call contact is called "Riding on the Bit" which is a relaxed mode of contact.

[@998marianne]

Weight .Spurs . She looks frantic

[@carolfyall688]

I have an ex racer. Trying to calm him is the hard part. Galloping around is what he wants but no. He done eventing and hunting after racing so its always been flat out and jumping. I am working on this with you

[@MaxNafeHorsemanship]

On the subject of bits and bridles.... I ride all horses in a rope halter. Unless there is a darn good reason (some shows and competitions require them), there is no need for a bit. If the horse cannot be ridden in a rope halter, it shouldn't be ridden. That's my theory anyhow. It also saves a pile of money and you don't have to change over when you want to ride. The halter is already on and they are cheap. That nice fat lead rope also makes comfortable reins.

[@charleenholly4150]

I have to know where that bridle came from and how do I get one?

[@topolinofarm9343]

Is there a Part 3 for Flo? Or even an update from a year after this video? I'd love to know how she is now.

[@998marianne]

Big spurs

[@cherylgerhart2964]

If the horse is getting too amped in the canter would you suggest to stay in the trot longer?

[@robinfranklin7407]

What state is home for you?

[@skyew.5071]

do you not believe That picking up your correct diagonal at the trot would help her with her balance.?

[@jeanfish7]

Do the owners still intend to have her in eventing?

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Flow might being sold to a student of mine. She’ll try her for a month and see if it’s a good match. Thanks

[@sidilicious11]

If she goes well in a rope halter then why would you need to ride with a bit? I’m curious cuz I’m starting my horse in a halter and hope I wouldn’t need to ever use a bit.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You could stay on halter if you needed or go into a Bosal. But I’m her case we needed to help her understand the snaffle.

[@famouskate9071]

You're absolutely right, no need for a bit. Good for you for knowing this and the horses thank you. The reply, that the horse needs to "understand the snaffle," is, while In believe well intentioned, incorrect. No horse needs to understand a piece of metal in its mouth. Thank you for knowing this. Stay in your halter and be proud that you're a good enough rider and you've trained your horse well enough that you can do so!

[@bobbiemooser7417]

Maybe the horse is worried because she doesn’t like jumping . Give that girl a break.

[@bradyfarms7781]

Ryan..what about a leverage bit? Especially with a standardbred..he's gaited. Is it wrong to use a leverage? I just want ur opinion. I've had great progression with the leverage..however I wld like to go to the snaffle again eventually..I only started with the leverage bcuz he wld try to race home. Very barn sour..and he now does fantastically. But cld I keep the leverage? Most ppl round here use leverage and I jus curious if its not good for gaited? Also important side note.i hav not Trained the gait yet!!

[@annehatter3319]

Brady Farms : a leverage bit is as kind or harsh as the hands using it

[@bradyfarms7781]

@@annehatter3319 I'm well aware! The leverage has done its job..I'm waiting to kno if I cld jus stick with it or go to the snaffle tons of ppl say it's not for gaited..others say that's nonsense. There's so much misinformation. Through my own research I realized it was not a harsh bit whatsoever and it actually did wonders for my guy. Was def the right move! But I don't "need" it persay...so jus curious on his opinion. But thanks ..a snaffle is also as harsh or kind as the hands using it tho..I mean rly! The leverage just adds pressure elsewhere rather than just on the bars of the mouth. But again thanks us absolutely right:)

[@kristahavik3931]

Leverage is softer then snaffle .

[@kristahavik3931]

@@bradyfarms7781 it's the tongue relief of the leverage that they like,

[@sallypenno164]

​@@kristahavik3931provide evidence

[@berres86]

Turn subtitles please

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Yea I need to figure out how

[@berres86]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Subtitles were in all videos

[@suzyq690]

How about showing a retired race horse that is high strung to slow down????

[@jeanfish7]

You haven't seen what she was like before!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

The horse in the video is a retired race horse, she was raced for 5years and was very successful.

[@suzyq690]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship However this is a very CALM horse! I love your style of training and I was hoping to see how to get a VERY HOT HOT HIGH STRUNG HORSE TO SETTLE DOWN! She has NO walk. It’s a very annoying prance, side step etc... If I give her, her head, you had better be holding on! She loves to run, can turn on a dime. Very smart and learns fast. I have tried to spin her around in a tight circle until she settles down to no avail. I get dizzy!! LOL 🤪

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

@@suzyq690 this comment is very apropos.

[@abigail1023]

Bolting through gates is probably from the track - she maybe expects to be hit - where horses are either just profit or loss.

[@famouskate9071]

As a retired professional rider who has retrained at least a couple of hundred OTTBs, why are you using spurs? That is not a kindness to the horse, not necessary [ and if it is necessary, then perhaps you need to go back to some ground work or other more basic training, if the horse won't move off your soft leg alone]. Spurs cause pain to the horse. Sure, it is a "short cut," and maybe easier for the rider, but not a nicety to the horse. A horse can feel a tiny fly land on it, and the horse reacts to it. So if a horse can feel a fly, a fraction of a gram, why can't the horse feel your leg, and why does the rider need painful [try applying spurs to YOUR body!] sharp pointy metal to get the horse to do what you want? I have ridden over 3000, yes, 3000 horses. Most breeds, including wild caught horses I started from scratch. I have never used spurs. Not even on mules and donkeys. Spurs cause pain. I won't even get into bits here, as I no longer use them either, but at least you use a snaffle. Try a rubber snaffle, if you must use a bit. Every single horse on the planet knows metal in its mouth can hurt it and while I know usually this pain is unintentional by the rider, still, it happens [lack of balance, horse spooks, goes sideways, etc.], and the horse knows this is always a possibility and in fact it isn't IF, but WHEN that bit will hurt that horse and every horse knows this. Not trying to be mean or critical, but I have a few decades on you, I have learned a lot, by experience and mistakes, many mistakes, and lack of knowledge, and I am still learning, and have I have changed my ways of training horses. And despite my advanced years and small size [105 lbs] I can do anything I want with an 1800 Friesian , riding in a rope halter and 4 pound exercise saddle. Yes, I started her. Overall, you're doing a great job, more pluses than minuses, but please ditch the spurs, and for the sake of the horse, stay in a rope halter, if you can. Seriously, who among you would want signals via metal in your mouth? Anyone?

[@paigeleighwells9133]

Stop. Just stop.