Part One: How The Rich Ate Christianity | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part One: How The Rich Ate Christianity | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
We sit down with Dan and Jordan from knowledge fight to discuss the plot to make Christianity capitalist.
Original Air Date: March 2, 2022
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@CaptainUrielVentris7]

I'm a doctor and I kinda suspect a lot of surgeons at least would behave differently without the ability to become fabulously wealthy. There's absolutely a craftsman's pride, a desire to treat and TBH a love of cutting for many, but you'd see the number of easy money spinner procedures like arthroscopic washouts plummet.

[@FrznFury27]

Based on what I'm hearing from public health-minded doctors, this would be widely-regarded as a Good Thing

[@smileyp4535]

All healthcare honestly, let them get wealthy af but no one should even be put into debt over it, it pays for itself that way anyway

[@k33k32]

Since I can't afford their handiwork right now in our current healthcare system, this seems like a moot point for most people. Although I'd rather have my $$s go directly to the Dr doing the work rather than a parasitic insurance industry.

[@durianaleria7919]

😂😅

[@Aencii]

This is unironically something that Marx essentially said in the Communist Manifesto. It's as true now as it was then.

[@alaskanbullworm5500]

While mostly a modern aberration, Calvinism from all the way back in the pilgrim days had an influence on certain American Christian’s who were taught in their faith that prosperity was a sign of gods approval, while poverty was his sign of disappointment.

[@alexcarter8807]

Absolutely evil MF's.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Re the new deal: something i wish more people knew about was that it expressly forbabe any of the federally backed home loans it created be granted to black people. For all the good it did, it was still a huge contribution to the continued racial wealth gap in the US.

[@bobmfthomp]

And that will keep happening so long as we let the wealthy use race to divide us so they can keep all the money.

[@EmmaBonn96]

13:50 I never thought about how Christianity in America was drawn to socialism at that time and how that fits into the story of American Christianity eventually becoming what it is today.

[@FiveTiger]

I don't know whats funnier, that we could have had kickass pro-union preachers or that they also didn't read the bible, which explicitly permits the owning of slaves.

[@JackgarPrime]

Sounds like a win-win to me.

[@amandadube156]

What's maddening is if you try to talk about that fact with a Christian, they'll bend over backwards explaining how, actually, slavery didn't mean the same thing; or that it was a different time, etc. Like, what happened to it being an "objective moral code???"

[@JackgarPrime]

@@amandadube156 INDENTURED SERVITUDE THO!

[@alexcarter8807]

Everything I've read says Christians were, and are, A-OK with slavery. First there's the "curse of Ham" or something which means black people have some kind of curse on them that means they're kind of supposed to be slaves, then the whole Confederacy, the US South, found slavery to be absolutely Bible-approved, and went to war over it. Modern-day Christians are fine with whites being "God's Chosen" no I don't mean Jewish people, look up Identity Christianity, that plus a healthy dollop of Calvinism, is US Christianity in a nut shell. Mormonism, one of the newest branches of Christianity, preaches that one's skin color indicates how "sinful" one is, and they actually teach their Pacific Islander converts that once they become more Godly, they'll actually become paler. I spent quite a few years growing up within walking distance of the big Mormon temple in La'ie Hawaii, and they really push this theory, and it's believed in. A neighbor I babysat for from time to time was in a bit of hot water because he was too dark for the position in the church he aspired to be in (and what's worse, he grew a mustache, a thing he was too low-ranking to do). The TL;DR here is, whatever the hell Jesus said, no one cares because no one pays any attention to what he said. Christianity is all about white supremacy, money and might are right, and pretty much everything evil is good, to Christians.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

@@amandadube156What happened was the early Christian leaders believed the return of Jesus was imminent and so they thought it was unnecessary to cause a bunch of social upheaval by trying to change things when everything was going to change soon anyway. Their attitude was basically, “everyone just chill out, God will handle all this soon.”

[@k1ngk4gl3]

As a Christian, seeing the title alone was so cathartic. Can't wait

[@NotoriousSRG]

You should read the part where the all powerful being makes pain go away but hit doesn’t exist so

[@hamishfatcat3385]

​@@NotoriousSRG*tips fedora*

[@Bluecho4]

^This

[@Obiwancolenobi]

@@NotoriousSRG as an Atheist I think you're a bit of a jackass for being rude to one of the decent Christians.

[@euthymialy]

@@NotoriousSRGquit it, you’re making atheists look obnoxious.

[@KSignalEingang]

Pretty sure a chunk of the electoral votes for Hoover came from Maine, a notorious Republican stronghold at the time - probably due in large part to a sizable population of codgers who still remembered the Civil War and very little else. Maine voted earlier than other states back then, and therefore held an oracular role in US political coverage, similar to the one played by Iowa & New Hampshire today - there was a popular saying, "as Maine goes, so goes the nation." After FDR, this was amended to, "as Maine goes, so goes Vermont."

[@TheDarthbinky]

Most of Hoover's votes came from the Northeast, largely Pennsylvania, which was a close victory for him, helped by third parties like the Socialists eating into the overall vote. It's unsurprisingly because the Northeast (except NY) was a Republican stronghold from 1860 to about 1972, much like the Democrats in the "Solid South" during the same timeframe. And yeah Maine held its state/local elections in September because November in Maine is cold af, especially up north (I'm from southern Maine, near Portland). In 1959 Maine changed its law and started holding its elections in November like everyone else. Then with the primaries becoming important, Maine lost its special place to be replaced by Iowa and NH.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

Laughter really is the best medicine, hearing you guys howl every few minutes does wonders to counteract the feeling of existential dread.

[@luciengraves9229]

Oh

[@HyperSonicX]

Finally after listening to over 20 episodes, KZbin decided to put an ad in the dedicated ad break.

[@cf453]

uBlock Origin is currently capable of blocking ads on youtube.

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

I got on average an ad every 5 minutes, and toward the end there were 6 ads in a row, and I had to stop the video altogether. I've never seen a greater ad density in a KZbin video.

[@HyperSonicX]

@@CliffSedge-nu5fv oh god that sounds terrible. I'm usually comparatively lucky with ad density

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@CliffSedge-nu5fvWhich is why I don't really care about people using ad-block. YT puts too many ads.

[@Condorito380]

1) start the video 2) scoot the play timet almost to the end 3) hit play 4) rewind to beginning 5) Throw all that out and get a secure browser like Brave with the right extensions.

[@marcospisanis739]

Speaking of Epoch times around 24:50, will you guys do a video on them, Li Hongzhi, China Uncensored, Roman Balmakov and more related to Falun Gong bullshit?

[@kappadarwin9476]

I use to watch China Uncensored but then I stopped.

[@JackgarPrime]

I imagine it would probably be part of a larger Falun Gong series.

[@BOOOOOOOONE]

​@@kappadarwin9476 I watched briefly too, back when I was a kid and my media-literacy was non-existent. Soon as I found out who they were and what they were about, it was an auto-yeet.

[@alexcarter8807]

@@kappadarwin9476 Is China Uncensored yet another of SerpentZA's and c-milk's channels? They're utter Falun Gong tools. I got into them when they were just riding their little motorcycles around talking about non-political things. I liked seeing the little towns and neighborhoods and roads in China. Then they got rabidly anti-China and started crying about how they were being "persecuted" when they were running Falun Gong ads inbetween their screeds against China.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@alexcarter8807They are persecuted. Falun Gong are cultists, but are abused and imprisioned out of proportion to their moves. Their crime was getting too powerful. CCP is the only God to the government

[@LunaLasceria]

Believe it or not, the 59 electoral college votes Hoover won were actually Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Delaware! Of those, a whopping 36 votes came from Pennsylvania, which had the second most delegates of any state at the time, only trailing New York's 47. It was, notably, the LAST time that a Republican won Philadelphia.

[@wdmc2012]

@48:23 Herbert Hoover won 40% of the electoral vote, but only the states: Pennsylvania, Delaware, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.

[@EvilGenius007]

24:59 We finally got confirmation!

[@k1ngk4gl3]

🎉WOOHOO!🎉 Been wondering if it was them or HelloFresh🤣

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

Alot of 'Prosperity Gospel' preachers are in for a VERY NASTY SHOCK..

[@chill_will9816]

I wish the ppl that needed to hear this actually listened

[@franzfanz]

1:16:00 I know that this is just a joke, but that's pretty accurate. Churches rarely had pews under relatively modern times. It's why the great European cathedrals are just a massive open space.

[@calexico66]

At 8 minutes the podcaster made a mistake, the Abbasids used extensively slaves brought from east Africa for work on agricultural projects or plantations. In fact the Zanj slave revolt will be one of the nails to the end of that dynasty.

[@Grizabeebles]

KZbin is weird. I got 6 ad breaks in this episode. Way more than the episode about Dewey I watched yesterday or what I typically got for a chapter of "After the Revolution". If I didn't know any better, I'd start to think that people who like to know the dark side of history don't buy as much stuff.

[@cf453]

uBlock Origin is currently capable of blocking ads on youtube.

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

I got 6 ads in a row, back to back to back .. after 10 other ads popping up about every 2-5 minutes.

[@fordprefect8406]

Huh, as a religious studies person I find that thought on the theological basis of their thinking (starting 1:08:30) interesting, although I disagree with it on a pretty fundamental level. Seems ultimately self serving, but I find the idea of the state as an idol an interesting one. Where they lose me is how it relates to other people-and I guess this is where the libertarian side of things comes in-because if liberty is the ultimate goal, how does it relate to other people? Like if liberty is the foremost concern, which they identify with private property and money and other things, what about your neighbor? You're supposed to treat your neighbor as you would yourself, helping them achieve liberty presumably, but how? Because I feel like in this conception trying to help them achieve that goal would put your liberty at risk, which the foremost concern is your own liberty so you don't try to help them and end up doing nothing. I assume that this is actually an intended loophole in the logic, but it is interestingly phrased.

[@lukemccann8930]

That's really the major crossroads between Right and Left libertarianism. Right libertarianism (free market libertarianism) is largely focused on money and as the name implies maximizing freedom/liberty based on how one chooses to spend said money. Left Libertarian (Mutualist) is focused more on mutual benefit as an increase in liberty, that is to say in simplistic terms that the providing of necessities for example increases liberty for the greatest number of people.

[@jamiefrontiera1671]

There is something so wrong someone making a church profitable. Maybe that's why I can't stand evangelism.

[@commandantcarpenter]

I liked "drink a lot of soda so they call me Dr. pepper"

[@commandantcarpenter]

rip phife dawg

[@Cerise4697]

I'm SO glad i clicked. Dan and Jordan are my favorite guests on the show.

[@Nobody_Nowhere_Never]

Nice to hear D & J having a good time.. Great topic too.

[@jessaminehaak8253]

Man I love Dan and Jordan XD you guys always seem to have so much fun together.

[@Tacom4ster]

I call "Christians" that still support capitalism as Mammonties

[@PMickeyDee]

Didn't Paul harp in one of his letters about a congregations focus on wealth? (I kept trying to figure out how to Google what I was looking for, but I gave up when I realized how cursed my Google feeds would be if I continued)

[@Bluecho4]

^This. You cannot be both a Christian and a Capitalist. They are fundamentally incompatible.

[@Tacom4ster]

Thank you@@Bluecho4

[@michael_mcgowan]

​ @PMickeyDee You might be thinking of 1 Timothy chapter 6. It's also possible you're thinking of James chapter 5 or the letter to Laodicea that starts at Revelation 3:14. There could be another that i'm forgetting but those stick out to me as possibilities.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

You could argue that “true” Christians don’t support democracy because 1: Democracy was an invention of pagan Greece and 2: Heaven is an absolute monarchy, not a democracy.

[@SatelliteSoundLab]

Listening to Robert and co. skewer right wing talking points and satirize conservative political sentiment in general helps me remain sane and rational in a society overflowing with fools celebrating how cuck'd by capitalism their whole life is.

[@HighFlyActionGuy]

you guys missed a blue apron bleep in this one 25:08

[@michael_mcgowan]

Funny enough, the states that Hoover won in 1932 were Northern states: Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.

[@williamkarbala5718]

MLK, Williams Jennings Bryan, John Ball, Hong Xiuquan of the Taiping Rebellion, Liberation Theology… there’s a long proud history of anti-rich, anti-capitalist Christians.

[@Frommerman]

There's this guy named Jesus of Nazareth who also wasn't a fan of rich people. Might check him out.

[@joshualucas1821]

​@@FrommermanWas that guy really a Christian, though? He went as far as to say that rich people can't go to heaven. Seems a little too radical.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@joshualucas1821Pat Robertson would definitely label him a demon. Why he flies private jet.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Really seems like Communism drove Dees nuts.

[@tambrabonds950]

There it is, was looking for a good dees nuts joke in the comments

[@mastershake4145]

For a long time I've wondered why Republicans are the way they are.. now another piece of the puzzle has fallen into place

[@jizburg]

At last. They didnt censour what company hunts people for sport

[@tHiNk413]

I sell books for a living, but I would happily give away books and not do it to earn a home and food.....

[@cheater556]

"on a mattress from" (actual ad starts) "get a good night sleep with a mattress from mattress firm"

[@Tha_Pencil]

I love these fuckers, please have them as guests more often please

[@Shade00a00]

did Raytheon finally make it to the pod?

[@lisacook8235]

Oh this gotta be good, with that title. Dr. Seuss eat your heart out.

[@daniellundberg2875]

I like how that guy called that pastor a whore :P

[@yensid4294]

Isn't it convevient how God's will always seems to align with a believers politics.

[@11myricka]

FORGOT THE BLEEP THIS EPISODE HA!!!

[@justingeary9574]

How to imitate Dan and Jordan. Type in barrack Obama and Richard Simmons to a voice ai and type anything about Alex Jones. Lol.

[@joshuascholar3220]

I don't mind that you've ruined Pumpkin spice for me at the beginning of the episode. I was already feeling nauseous about it.

[@joshuascholar3220]

I do mind that you called Jimmy Fallon talentless though. Have you _heard_ him singing Reading Rainbow as Jim Morrison? You're welcome!

[@noahsabin7386]

A lazy trapeze artist sounds like a very complicated person in a hammock

[@EmmaBonn96]

I’ve heard a few times how enigmatic American Christianity is. I look forward to seeing this money trail coming from it.

[@BOOOOOOOONE]

I am sick and tired of this Alien 3 slander. Its a sprawling masterpiece of gothic horror!

[@mollymcallister1671]

I have heard of a theory that hypothesizes material technological progress in 'The West' was perpetrated by Christianity (not necessarily Catholicism) The main thrust of the hypothesis being the attitude toward craftsman laborers being seen as little better than slaves socially speaking, but then here comes Jesus and he's a Carpenter and he's the most important person in the new religion and that changes the outlook on what crafts-people can produce outside of just fancy things to entertain the idle rich.

[@stoppit9]

That's a nice theory, but the history of it doesn't really pan out

[@lukemccann8930]

Yeah the Black Death did a lot more to force the acceptance of skilled labor as more essential to the function of society than social rank is.

[@bk83082]

It's like I wished for this podcast on a monkey's paw: subject matter that I find very interesting, but the catch is that it's presented by a host with severe vocal fry who sharply inhales right into that microphone.

[@adamplentl5588]

These guests are deeply annoying.

[@deathmagneto-soy]

Does anybody know what books or reading material Robert is drawing on for this episode? I'd like to do some follow-up research. Thanks.

[@alejandrorivas4585]

If you email him I'm sure he'd be happy to send his sources. I did so for his Blair mountain eps.

[@IRJ53I]

Looking at the election of 1932, and it is not what I expected. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_elections