Part Two: Thomas Jefferson: King of Hypocrites | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

[@thomaskalinowski8851]

"The slaves are revolting!" "I don't like that word, that S word." "Okay. The prisoners with jobs are revolting."

[@62cky4powerthirst]

I love that line

[@PlutocracyLP]

Prop: what's the worst thing you love me, without a moment's hesitation: ska

[@portmantologist]

That could also have been Robert's answer.

[@mattday2656]

I live in Saint John, New Brunswick, I love that Benedict Arnold's old pad is a coffee shop and a candy store, lol.

[@hellspawn32x66]

WOOOOOOO my hometown referenced and it isn't about someone getting bludgeoned to death!!

[@kae5717]

I finished watching Part One fifteen seconds before this one dropped. That's hilariously wild timing. On a more serious note... after growing up in a Fox/OAN Tea Party household in the 2000s, this entire podcast but also these episodes in specific... No words, just deep inhale and buckling up for the next episodes.

[@iivin4233]

Not even as a Foxonian, but as someone with a typical education, I didn't know all of these facts. And I didn't expect this, but I am now 100% in favor of removing Jefferson monuments, not for the sake of destroying the country but to fulfill its potential. I had a friend from Jamaica. She was a math teacher. I'm not. Make me a slave, I guess, because I don't have Euclid memorized. Like, hell is that a bad faith argument or what?

[@owenfink]

It's interesting to me how the arguments for slavery made at the time are reflected on the true justification for our modern capitalist mode of production. The rich don't want to equally share the burden of work required to maintain our society, they would much rather put the brunt of that work upon those without wealth, and maintain positions of management, leadership, etc.

[@Bill-kk7tz]

Clearly you've never has to organize a group of people around a task. 😂 Management isn't evil and you can buy an Exchange Traded Fund in 10 minutes these days.

[@owenfink]

@@Bill-kk7tz Where do I start with a reply such as this? Should I start with your bad grammar, your random non-sequitur about the ease in buying equity in an ETF, or should I directly dispute your main claim in that I *do* professionally organize people around completing tasks? I think I'd rather skip right to the point and highlight the fact that your reply has displayed zero cognition of class dynamics. Your lack of understanding leads me to believe there would be no benefit of us continuing to discuss this topic.

[@a.gravemistake3061]

Thomas Jefferson is the Steven Seagal of agriculture

[@beoweasel]

1:42 The irony about Washington's forces wintering at Valley Forge from 1777 to 78...is that it wasn't that cold. Temperatures only fell to freezing an intermittent number of times over their 6 month stay, and they had far more rain than snow. The perception of Continentals freezing in deep snow, is the product of American Myth Making that folds the Army's wintering in New Jersey two years later at Jockey Hollow. In further irony, despite Jockey Hollow's far more severe weather, only 100 soldiers died in the 6 month stay, as opposed to the well over a 1000 at Forge.

[@UntoldRelic]

I have an ongoing question in my mind: Are there actually ads, or do I just not get them because I use premium? It's gotten existential.

[@eliasrehder2300]

There's no ads on KZbin. They're only Spotify

[@hedgemonkey6]

I think they run midrolls if you don't have premium, idk tho I have it too

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

There are still ads, but they are generic KZbin ads and not the same advertisers as their original podcast.

[@darkarchonisme]

No ads at all with ublock, lmao fuck paying for a service that deliberately gets Worse for both audience and creators

[@bobspldbckwrds]

I WAS happily cleaning my bathroom with fabuloso, wondering what cancer i'm going to die from...

[@mr70camarors]

All of them.

[@bobspldbckwrds]

@@mr70camarors I shall become pure tumor and ascend from my pristine bathroom.

[@lololllololololol]

​@@bobspldbckwrdsBecome the god of Clean

[@zhitchcresttail3387]

From what I've been told, it has zero antibacterial or cleaning properties and is just scent. I'm not sure if that's an urban legend or not

[@bobspldbckwrds]

@@zhitchcresttail3387 that would be a myth.

[@mr70camarors]

I'm a simple man. I see Prop is the guest. I listen.

[@hopefullynotbutprobably6643]

You know what I'm sayin?

[@emmadillon5694]

Sometimes I am reminded that not everyone is from virginia and knows it's actually pronounced "Stan-ton" and "Monti-chello"

[@johonsberger]

I’m Canadian and I had always heard it as Monte chello.

[@ggmikebee]

It’s just Robert. He can’t pronounce anything. I remember during one of the episodes about Reagan he kept talking about a cleek of people in the administration and it was right after one of those weird KKK episodes with all the weird made up words they use (which this sounded like) and it took me way too long to realize he meant clique. lol.

[@johonsberger]

@@ggmikebee I have heard it pronounced cleek but there are other words he maybe mispronounces.

[@Cmdrbike]

I called this out on the first episode. It's much worse in this one. I've been wondering if he's trolling Virginians.

[@emmadillon5694]

@@Cmdrbike I doubt that. That's probably how I would pronounce those if I'd only read them and nit heard them pronounced

[@Chaosqueenngami]

That thing about not giving up comfort is true. Doing the right thing sometimes means living more simpler and slightly less glamorous lives.

[@SofaKartoffelSchorsch]

As a Hessian, I approve this podcast.

[@almightytallestred]

As a second Hessian, I second that.

[@petebondurant58]

I like potatoes

[@mrfreddorenton]

Jefferson has early-onset truthiness. He says the things that he wants to be true, while not educating himself about whether it's actually true.

[@BlahAnger]

This one made me actually cry....gj ;)

[@beoweasel]

8:45 Although the records are kind of sparse, but It's believed that Betty Hemmings is also a product of mixed ancestry, between a Nigerian woman (possibly named Parthenia) and the English Captain of the slave ship that transported her to Williamsburg (and thus, unlikely to have been consensual). According to Hemings' family lore (their last name is taken from said captain, John Hemings), Hemings, upon learning that Parthenia was pregnant, offered to buy the infant from Wales, but the latter refused. Hemings was so insistent on claiming his daughter, he even attempted to kidnap her. (There's a couple of issues with this tale, as Wayles didn't own Betty at this time, but by Francis Eppes, Wayles' future Father-in-Law).

[@jas1007]

I was going to point out this story and I'm glad someone else did. The Hemings family is one of the few enslaved families where we have even this much in terms of geneology.

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

13:16 im sure he forgot about the joint stock companies. they weren't important at all. Also, i spent a while trying to figure out 1852, then i realized robert just did the thing i always do and transpose letters

[@iivin4233]

Protecting Jefferson feels like a stretch as opposed to cutting a deal. "Sure, I'll tell you but you need to get me and my family to X safe destination." The problem is, what safe place could you go as an African back then? Mindanao? Papua? I imagine it wouldn't be safe to go back to Africa, where you were first captured and where a ship my drop you off hundreds of miles from where your family once lived.

[@spamviking]

35:00 that French quote reminds me of Caesar justifying the subjugation of the Celts because despite having milk they hadn't figured out how to make cheese yet.

[@danielwilson8764]

Nothing like a behind the bastards Friday morning

[@Ramblonius]

Hey, if only people that loved driving needed to drive our problems would be very much reduced.

[@theendisoverdue]

Yup, you sure solved racism and genocide!

[@justAchanneification]

@@theendisoverdue ... What?

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

This is one of the best and most accurate series so far. There's little to argue with here. Jefferson starts off idealistic but as he gets older he has to justify his continued slave holding and wealth. Just like conservatives of today he does so by arguing that he was born better, that he and his people have achieved more. Yeah, he's a bastard. The claim that white people can't work is a weird one. Did they not see all the poor white farmers and laborers? These were educated men, they knew their classical history, that the Greek and Roman societies they so admired were based on the labor of largely European slaves.

[@stinkytoy]

9:05 - it was just a "black box" to Jefferson, too.

[@jrussino]

FYI it's pronounced "Monti-chello". Like cello the instrument. In case you haven't recorded part 3 yet...

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

​@@creeyis5092 Fantasies help us feel better, but no, Robert Evans is just dumb.

[@seantracey9935]

​@@CliffSedge-nu5fv I mean he has a channel that makes him money. Probably smarter than the troll in the comments. Don't you think?

[@petebondurant58]

@@seantracey9935 People who rob gas stations make money also.

[@goodandevil2000]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmW6ZHp-ep6fb6Msi=bP4VVmhx_upn1bGE That's not how you pronounce cello...

[@just_radical]

The guy Prop is talking about who they burned the books of b/c he came to America to make money and thought the Pilgrims were treating the Native Americans badly was Thomas Morton.

[@alienpaleontologist]

This podcast always has good intentions And I appreciate you all. I think if you talk less and this is a good example this episode and just got on with the show I'm setting just having this back-and-forth that really is leaving the nowhereRemember Egypt's drop pithy little comments and then move on it looks a lot better than just sitting there talking and going on and on about whatever. But what do I know I'm just the guy who wrote history haha ha

[@peternelson8491]

Really Thomas? You're gonna run away? Right in front of my crab dragoons..... I'll see myself out.

[@havanaradio]

I always feel bad there aren't any ads. I hope ur making money, watching some ads on an ad only KZbin channel to make up for it. (Sucks tho, its 5 bucks a month!)

[@portmantologist]

Thomas Jefferson is nothing if not a study in motivated reasoning.

[@frank5.3]

The, Like, number of Likes, in this, like, podcast, like, like, like, i dunno, i like but like, lotta likes

[@GilTheDragon]

About poets... Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz is an excellent new world poet that predates this all

[@SS-xr7jf]

Had Jefferson ever even seen an orangutan? Wtf

[@BrandonPilcher]

I think people often used the term for non-human apes in general back then.

[@nataschavisser573]

The point still stands. He was talking about creatures he never saw engaging in behaviour that did not occur.

[@yensid4294]

I love that the French are dissing Colonial America for its lack of culture 😂

[@anonihme5142]

hamburgers, hollywood, neon add signs, guns and sooooo many flags… we still are xD

[@PaulK365]

They still do it. Modern surfing and jazz /R&B came from America, but things like BBQ and baseball has its origins from other places, although Americans claim it, like they claim the 50 states are on American soil

[@Uneekname]

Yay! I needed this after arguing with Boomer parents for hours

[@AzaleaJane]

"the revolutionary war, which the US wins" Spoilers!

[@rothloaf1980]

All the correction replies about Monticello... it's pronounced Mon-tees-el-low.

[@ihal3000]

This week on behind the bastards: the hosts for being late on the upload/release 😂

[@creeyis5092]

Robert would absolutely use this.

[@brassen]

orangotang looking at me: "pfffs, you wish!"

[@justcommenting4981]

44:07 Pause. There is surely some context about Thomas missing here. Where did he see orangutans?

[@petebondurant58]

The South Bronx?

[@justcommenting4981]

@@petebondurant58 back then it would be overrun by Irishmen. You really think he'd confuse the 2?

[@petebondurant58]

@@justcommenting4981 Possibly.

[@ladyaj7784]

Isn't it pronounced "Montichello"?

[@CliffSedge-nu5fv]

Yes, but Robert Evans is not an educated man. He just reads scripts into a microphone.

[@Zomonitan]

My first thought for the worst thing I love was Sword Art Online lol

[@WolfgangDoghouse]

David Mech is the loser who popularized the term "alpha male and female". Gordon Haber was the best yet David got the attention. It only took 30 years for David to admit Gordon was right. :P

[@mythiot]

The continued mispronunciation of “Monticello” is killing me.

[@minimalgrammar1276]

Thomas Jefferson WAS a coward... But from what I've seen, most people are.

[@CowboyJuice]

Dear robert, remember that driveing isnt bad. The commute is. You have some dumb co hosts on that subject

[@davidd6171]

Eh eh eh eh... such an annoying laugh.

[@casspurp]

Thomas Paine was a terrible anti-Native racist. 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻 Please bring a Native expert on here at some point. Y'all never get our shit right.

[@hopefullynotbutprobably6643]

Prop sucks as a guest. Please stop using him.

[@pipster1891]

I though this would be more, er..., weighty.