"Partition was about creating a settler colonial state" w/ Abdel Razzaq Takriti (pt.1)

The brothers welcome historian Abdel Razzaq Takriti, the author of Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman 1965-1976 (2016) and “Before BDS: Lineages of Boycott in Palestine,” and co-creator of Thawra, a series from The Dig on modern Arab and Palestinian revolutionary history. They take a deep dive into the history of Palestinian resistance in the 20th century, explore the difference between eliminationist and genocidal forms of settler colonialism, discuss the mutilation of Palestine in 1948 to make way for the last settler-colony in a world on the brink of an anti-colonial revolution, the subsequent rise of Fatah and the Palestine Liberation Organization, and the role of Arab states in helping and hindering the quest for Palestinian liberation.
Date of recording: June 11, 2024.
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[@eamar0509]

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[@gwedielwch]

Professor Takriti discusses the fact that the Balfour Declaration was opposed by Edwin Montagu, the only Jewish member of the British Cabinet in 1917, and by most British Jews. Montagu circulated three papers to his Cabinet colleagues - the second contains a valuable list of prominent British Jews who, like himself, opposed Zionism. They included Rufus Isaacs (Lord Reading) and three prominent members of the Rothschild family. As Professor Takriti says, these papers are worth reading. Montagu considered that Judaism was a religion, not a nationalism. And he strongly criticised Zionism as anti-semitic.

[@heyimgoingtoplaysomegames]

Even in its deeper roots within Kabbalah, Zionism has ALWAYS been a racist endeavor. Most people just don’t know it stretches back to the very beginnings of Judaism via Kabbalah.

[@azalia423]

I so much appreciate Makdisi Street. I learned a lot from Abdel Razzaq Takriti's conversation.

[@PlenaFairytale]

Best podcast ever! I love this show so much ❤

[@gulliegulliver4546]

Thank you, looking forward to Part 2

[@Laila-ud1ip]

A very insightful conversation. I wish it had lasted longer, there was so much more I wanted to learn. Thank you

[@elizabethcabal1741]

Excellent discussion! Thank you

[@Laila-ud1ip]

I realize it was only part 1! Relief!

[@sarashepard7504]

This was excellent analysis

[@humn_rights]

Abdelrazak showed a top level of analysis of the cultural and geopolitical issues of the settlers' colonialism nature of Israel. Regarding the Egyptian peace treaty, I think his opinion is debatable. Egypt would probably not have been able to take back Sinai without paying a really unacceptable price of destruction of the country and the people. I urge Abdelrazak to consider more thoughts on this.

[@bartpeeters2264]

Thank you for this materialist analysis of the Arab states' evolving attitude towards the Palestinian cause, as an effective antidote to Rashid Khalidi's psychologising 'great men of history' theory (i.e. 'Nasser was a hypocrite') in one of your earlier episodes...

[@ellenpearce6257]

The British didn’t want a lot of poor Jews to settle in England.

[@YVM3311]

As a Jewish descendant I like to think of Jews in celebration. Not as victims . Jews survived 3000 years unlike many others who are not here today to tell their story because they’re exiled because they migrated because they adapted and because they stayed relevant and Important to societies. Unlike many many other second and third class citizens and slaves 1000 500 and 100years ago, Jews were special in the sense they managed to take on important positions of lobby with the powers to be , from kings to presidents. In a world where Catholicism in the name of a single God committed many atrocities around the entire world and committed genocide to many peoples, somehow Jews managed to survive and hold on to their believes, their values their culture. I absolutely despise the Jewish victim narrative. And in name of that narrative justify the current atrocities they’re making to another People. Israel was the last colonialism exercise. The biggest mistake made by the white European man in the Middle East. In the name of a belief that they had been there 3000 years ago they could not only return to it but clean out the land from Its local population who had pretty much been there since the Jews left…this level of arrogance is so non-Jew it repulses me… and no, the land was not empty! wonder how many lands we’d have to return to how many people to justify this concept and make justice to entire continents ? Americas, Africa, australia… Further, there is a myth that Israel was needed for a safe place where Jews could exist… ironically the exact opposite happened. Further the world has fundamentally changed since WWII. Let’s remember back then woman didn’t vote .slavery was still a reality in the Americas, Africa was still under colonialism power. Pretty much everyone but the white male was a second or third class citizen. Or worse. Jews suffered the most in the wwii but somehow we always forget about the Gypsies, the Armenians and others that also suffered genocide. Further, Israel is not a product and a consequence of the WWII. Jews were shaking hands with the Brits since the WWI and had began migrating in masses and causing havoc in the region before 1920 and all the way thru 1930’s. Ironically back then the news of terrorism attacks to factories and train stations were done by the Jews that were picking fights with the locals (the Palestinian) and the British government. Palestine was a beautiful land full of history , with vibrant ports, commerce and culture. The Brits promised the land to the local Palestinians after Byzantine empire collapsed and also to the Jews back in London. This all mess is British Colonialism fault. Moreover… there is this other story that Israelites like to talk about , the small mighty Israeli military that defeated the Arabs in 1948. Untrue. They were prepared. They knew exactly was coming and they had been learning and training with the British military back then, indeed learning from the best how to “colonize territory” … as a Jewish descendant I am appalled and ashamed of Israel formation and existance, and the cruelties done since the 30’s for sake of conquering back the sacred land that supposedly belonged to them in the first place. Most utterly ridiculous justification. And conflicting, coming from Zionist’s supposedly non religious group yet justifying their cause based in an otherwise religious belief. Non sense. The Jews didn’t need land to be safe. American Jews Australian Jews Canadian Jews you call it any country in this world Jew person will attest they don’t need Israel to feel self-identified . We can be Jews and call any nation in the world our own. And that is a sign of perseverance. That is to be celebrated. I don’t want to live in a country surrounded by other Jews. Where everyone other than white Jews is indeed treated like second class citizens . Yup even the Sephardic Arab Jews (non white) are not exactly the same. They too are second class citizens. That’s the true. Israel is the most racist country on earth. created by white Jews from Europe and further colonized by ignorant white Americans that have the arrogance to literally migrate to the west bank and proceeded to take homes from the Palestinians… makes my stomach turn in agony . Jews just needed to be respected and accepted . The world changed since 1945 for all second class citizens blacks browns and women… The Middle East would be completely different today and so would western views of it and relationships with it, if Israel had not been formed. Cruel and deadly mistake. Israel should have never been formed . With that said , it’s there today and only time , lots of it, Perhaps hundreds of years will eventually settle this grave mistake .

[@nickfish8345]

Absolutely excellent summary and overview, all fully historically accurate. My only difference of opinion is that Israel's only way out of the hole they've dug for themselves is to become a single, unitary state and I suspect this'll happen sooner than most people think.

[@zetristan4525]

Clear paragraphs?

[@johndunne7900]

The Arabs have been fighting each other for many years, recently in Syria over 500,000 have died died during the civil war . In Yemen there is a ongoing Civil War with hundreds of thousands dying and starving. Sudan is another example where there is 10 million refugees with many deaths. Lebanon has been at civil war with many casualties and deaths. Your theory is completely wrong when you claim that Israel is responsible for all the turbulence in the Middle East.

[@nickfish8345]

@@johndunne7900 At no point does he claim that Israel is responsible for all the turbulence in the Middle East. For the conflict in Israel/Palestine, yes. But the UK and France, and later the US, are largely responsible for what's happening elsewhere in the Middle East. If you're going to comment on a post, you need to engage your brain first.

[@johndunne7900]

@@nickfish8345 the population in Jerusalem in the 1880s was predominantly Jewish, Safed was also predominantly Jewish. The Arabs also attacked the Jews who had been living there for many years during theArab revolt of the 1920s and 30s. The turbulence in the Palestinian mandatory area was primarily caused by Arabs against Jews. 1909 Tel Aviv was founded during the ottoman Empire, there was not one acre of land that was stolen from the Arabs. The land was purchased legally, even during ottoman times. .Haj Amin Hussein the mufti of Jerusalem instigated numerous attacks against Jews.claims they were going to take over the Al Aqsa Mosque, a complete lie. There was enough land for both peoples. During an Ottoman land survey in the area of Palestine 80% of the land was vacant. it is also a lie to say the British were siding completely with the Jews, in 1939 the British issued a white paper which prevented immigration of Jews to mandatory Palestine, even during the extermination of Jews, going on in Europe. also for almost 500 years, the Ottoman Empire occupied that area. It was only after the first world war that the league of Nations set up a trust system in areas that were occupied by the Ottomans and the Germans. That created Umer states in Africa and the Middle East, including Iraq, Transjordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, and Israel.

[@anndomgal]

Thank you very much for this profound discussion on the colonization of Palestine.

[@pacoshuman7642]

Thank you...a part of history that I didn't even know. Its quite amazing, and perhaps not given its colonial mentality, the role that u.s. played in setting up Palestine as subservient to israel. Obviously, israel needed to be set up to be the u.s. watchdog (or attack dog).

[@johnstewart7025]

Good point about UN and Wester perspective on partition. But, isn't that where "human right's came from? Can you have human rights without settler colonialism? Today, it seems as though Gaza and West Bank are colonies in this sense that territory is controlled by Israel.

[@johndunne7900]

What happened to the 900,000 Jews that lived in Arab countries,?

[@mtotheptothed]

Why did that happen? When did it start? Why did it start then?

[@johndunne7900]

@@mtotheptothed between 1941 and 1960, many of the Jews, who lived in Iraq, especially in Baghdad, lost their jobs, lost their investments and their money and were pushed out of the country.Some were executed others were forced to leave. Yemen, Egypt, Morocco, Syria, all left their homes and many resettled in the state of Israel. In the early 1960s if you visited outside of Tel Aviv in Ramat gan most of the Jews, spoke Arabic. today 68 percent of the population of Israel are Jews that came from Arab countries.In the 1930s and 40s there were many riots in which Jews were targeted .Haj Amin Hussein in Iraq in an attempt to overthrow the pro British Iraqi government and put in a pro Nazi regime. During the second world war Jews who lived in Libya were rounded up and put into concentration camps by the local population and the German authorities. more recently in the late 1970s Jews from Iran, fled after the Islamic revolution and many settled in Israel. Jews were considered second class citizens and were forced to pay tax because of their religion.

[@johndunne7900]

@@mtotheptothed 900,000 Jews who lived for 1000s of years in Arab countries, including Egypt, Yemen Morocco Syria Iraq were pushed out and in many cases forced out. Starting in the 1920s and through the 1960s, even before the state of Israel was established these Jews faced persecution, and at the very least second class citizenship where they had to pay a tax because they were Jewish and not Muslim. in the 1940s during the second world war Iraq installed a pro Nazi regime and attacked the Jewish citizens in that country. In Libya Jews were rounded up when the Germans occupied Libya with the help of local residents and put the Jews in concentration camps.

[@johndunne7900]

Is Jordan a colonial settler state?

[@drthomason7043]

Jordan is a kingdom of refugees. First from Palestine and other victims from Middle Eastern wars

[@scenFor109]

Not colonial settler, colonial Apartheid. All so-called sovereign states are systemic colonial cults. Remember that a statement of sovereignty is not secular.

[@levantinian]

No

[@johndunne7900]

@@levantinian where are the Hashemites from? Are they originally from where the Ammonites came from?

[@levantinian]

@@johndunne7900 does the Jordanian state promote settlement of Jordan by Hijazi migrants and the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people?

[@johnstewart7025]

what about giving Palestinians Jordanian citizenship, so they could vote there? They would live in Israel.

[@levantinian]

@@johnstewart7025 how does that make any sense??