Passionate exchange with a caller defending Sunak's wife's non-dom status | LBC

[@terrythomas3755]

The con-trick is complete. The man earning £1000 per hour, has convinced the man earning £100 per hour, that the man earning £10 per hour, is the problem.

[@MrManBuzz]

Make the first man earn £10000 per hour and it'd be more accurate in terms of the disparity.

[@robboulter6387]

That is so true. Well said

[@JamilOlweny]

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@HelenaBlack80]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@tomm487]

...and it works the world over by all conservative governments.

[@HelenaBlack80]

Imagine being a normal working person in the UK in 2022 and defending the tax avoiding actions of the billionaire wife of the CotE! We’re living in the twilight zone!

[@kama3422]

Exactly, she is the perfect example of a stooge.

[@MrArchie800]

I know it's just weird, but unfortunately happens all the time, it was only a couple of days ago on the exact same station that 'ordinary' people were queuing up to defend Mogg and his dubious overseas shenanigans.

[@jobbyomoron8478]

Imagine being upset at someone breaking no laws.

[@questionmark9819]

@@jobbyomoron8478 imagine having morals and not just following laws. Outrageous

[@aankwenti]

@@jobbyomoron8478 imagine not being upset at unethical behaviour

[@noonewillnoo]

This is the same logic as people who earn over 60k and don't think millionaires should be taxed more because they believe they're in the same category.

[@CuntyMcGinty]

Their are people that vote Tory that earn far less than that. They would rather delude themselves as being part of the rich than admitting they are part of the poor

[@MiningForPies]

I earn over 60K and I don’t think there should be a higher tax bracket. 40% of income is fine. What they should do is tax unearned income more.

[@cujimmi]

Why do you think millionaires should be taxed more?

[@cujimmi]

@@MiningForPies how do you define unearned?

[@slartibartfast3041]

@@cujimmi why do you think the poorest should pay more?

[@jaylamb477]

I give up, working class people are actually defending the practice of tax avoidance by billionaires 🤷‍♂️

[@msg4141]

Those are the brainwashed ones.

[@jazzx251]

why? - because "It could be you!" You are only one amazing lottery win away from untold riches - unless the government takes them all away from you! The odds of that happening are way less than winning Squid Game ... but - oh - IF! - IF it ever happened that you won, would you want to be taxed? It's the working class mentality. "If I hit the big time, nobody's taking my money away! - I'm voting Conservative!" There's a very much increased chance of you starving to death, the longer the Tories are in power, no matter how many jobs you work. This government oversaw the rise in "foodbanks" - hitherto unheard of in this country ... and now normalised and commonplace. A total shame has been turned into a virtue ... and the working class voters bought it hook, line and sinker. Because they're thick ... let's not be dishonest here - to vote Conservative when you KNOW it means you'll starve to death after working 4 jobs every day, is next-level dumbness and stupidity. The Tories are even saying "Get another job!" ... [when they can't be bothered to show up to parliament on £100 000 a year plus 'expenses'] But the working class will still vote for them. Lambs to the slaughter.

[@raph_csg]

how are you sure they’re working class?

[@rawmarshrewilder8199]

The working class make up most of the population so there is a high probability she is working class. The problem is the workers identify with millionaires or than they do with their own neighbour and coworkers because they are under the illusion that one day they will be rich if they work hard.

[@garyspruce7736]

@@raph_csg what is working class ? When does it change to middle class .

[@marinman3551]

This woman is 100% convinced she's correct and not willing to another point of view......this is a huge problem with society in general .......I'm off!

[@thesoultwins72]

@marin man.........This horrid 'trait' has probably been happening since time immemorial - but it was elevated to unparalleled levels by Margaret Thatcher. The 'never ever admit you're wrong - even when it's blatantly obvious you are' mentality. Thatcher made an art-form of it - I clearly remember her denying that the British economy was in the toilet, despite the fact that over 400 highly qualified, experienced and esteemed economists were saying [and proving] that it was! People like Thatcher [and this deluded caller] will NEVER accept that they are wrong.

[@iosifmarius7302]

She is right though. If you have a company abroad and you pay taxes in that said country why should you pay in the country where you live too? She doesn't earn any money in UK.

[@cloudyskies1323]

Two words. Tone deaf.

[@Lexen_Rapier]

@@iosifmarius7302 That's easy - where you live, you benefit from all the services that taxes cover, like sewage, like the NHS, like having police to protect your home. So you should pay into those services if you can afford it, which everyone with nom-dom status can.

[@Lexen_Rapier]

@@iosifmarius7302 It actually makes far more sense to not pay taxes where you earn the money but where you live - because you aren't using the services that taxes cover.

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

I love how defenders of this sort of thing say "Everyone does it". Most people are in PAYE. We don't get a chance to even try it.

[@Charlie_Crown]

And we certainly don't have the opportunity to live abroad, in order to avail of this loophole, a loophole exclusively for the ultra rich...

[@Sintakhra]

If they say everyone does it, then immediately report them to HMRC

[@MsPinkwolf]

He should have asked her if she does it.

[@agdgdgwngo]

@@Charlie_Crown non domicile status should be abolished, seems to exist for the purpose of dodging taxes.

[@davel9514]

@@Charlie_Crown I have been living abroad for the last 7 years, and a total 17 years out of the last 20 - I've NEVER paid tax from the country I'm in to my country of origin. I didn't even know this was a thing until my American friends brought it up!

[@hayzed9491]

That caller was an example of why the loophole gets to stay open. What about this, what about that.

[@zakneutron]

Classic Whattaboutery employed there...

[@bigpants6121]

Sunak likes the loophole.

[@joandolliedoyle775]

Yes, she uses terms like being ‘creative’ with the family finances. Seeking to make this seem like just a minor matter.

[@BH-2]

I don’t see a problem his wife being non dom, and pay a fee for that tax status. It’s either legal or illegal, when you bring moral into the law, who’s moral is it that we subscribe to.

[@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier]

I say always What about it I always And then I call the person I'm talking to by my sons name and quickly apologise and 🙃

[@lightningleaf23]

Everything that’s wrong with the country in one call. Someone who I suspect is not particularly wealthy calling up to defend a none tax paying billionaire when some people can’t afford to heat their houses. The person in question happening to be the chancellors wife

[@Charlie_Crown]

Yes, exactly, and the kind of warped thinking that leads to them voting Tory, voting for brexit, voting against their own best interests, it's astounding to be quite honest....

[@MrCsifan55]

Thank you, well said.

[@chrislambe400]

Warped minds the public have. Apologising to the elites for soiling their shies whilst getting trod on.

[@DeborahWalkerXOXO]

What hurts me is that she SOUNDS like a ⚫ woman (TO ME). One of those ⚫ Conservatives who just doesn't understand they don't mean you when they want to protect business and wealth or borders etc. And here we come, ready to fight for and defend everyone, in the meantime no one is defending us.

[@matthewfrancis9830]

His wife has lots of money, everything she did is legal. Get over it, move on.

[@david1731048]

Seeing so many working class people defend ultra rich Tories, who are putting up THEIR taxes, is just incredible.

[@Adam-lz8oo]

Most working class people will natural lean towards conservative attitudes which makes sense, and unfortunately this blue Labour tory party is the closest thing to conservatism there is in the British political system.

[@anthonyphipps5162]

Yes, and they will keep voting for them no matter how much they are lied to, you couldn't make it up.

[@Adam-lz8oo]

@@anthonyphipps5162 what is their choice? You may as well vote for the party that uses your favourite colour at this point.

[@Adam-lz8oo]

@@Crashawsome so, spoil your ballot then?

[@Adam-lz8oo]

@@Crashawsome what's weird is thinking there's a party that can be considered not corrupt. But your condescending response says all we need to know.

[@DavidSmith-dm5ix]

I’m a American, living in USA, Canton, Ohio. I listen to LBC faithfully. Keep up the excellent work.

[@spraymie]

And THIS is why the UK is falling apart. A total broken flush

[@Ed-rg4do]

Not just the uk. Greed manifest

[@normhanson981]

Yep!

[@pollywannacracker4880]

Seems like this is happening around the world, but I can't stand the arguments anymore. From this kind of disagreement to the people that freak out on people who have chosen not to get vaxxed. This world is so divided. I don't think it can repair itself. By the way I am vaxxed and boosted because I was threatened with my job. I need to work.

[@pje1976]

UK should fall apart. You looted $45 trillion from India

[@firefox-vc6rb]

Voting millionaires and billionaire's to fix the system that made them millionaires and billionaire's is moronic. Turkeys wouldn’t vote for Christmas but the voters do every election.

[@alankirkby465]

Who in your opinion should voters vote for ( just asking) Peace to all.

[@natsterjam]

Class systems are always going to cause issues. The poor feel hard done by, the rich feel entitled, there ain't gonna be reasonable solutions with this going on. Before you ask, I don't know what the solution is, I just see an obvious problem.

[@garyspruce7736]

@@alankirkby465 Fred down the pub , he knows everything.

[@LAJZful]

Labour is full of millionaires as well, who can we vote for instead? They're all one and the same, they all went to the same schools and hang around in the same groups.

[@neilwhite6305]

@@alankirkby465 The two party system should be dismantled.

[@steveturner6770]

Anyone who has or moves money abroad to avoid UK taxes should be stripped of British citizenship.

[@gchelem]

But she is not a British citizen, she just happens to live here.

[@rinzaghi2057]

@@gchelem Will she call the UK fire brigade if her house is on fire or will she call the one in India?

[@samoinborut1339]

I couldn't agree more.

[@gchelem]

@@rinzaghi2057 I am not defending her. I find the whole thing disgraceful. I was just stating a fact. But I agree with you. My point was that she can’t have her British nationality removed because she ain’t a Brit.

[@jobbyomoron8478]

And the UK would bankrupt because those people contribute more tax and would just leave the country. Dim wit.

[@jamesnicholson3658]

the sheer fact that the CHANCELLORS WIFE is dodging taxes is disgusting, and then for these people to defend that so rabidly is exactly what is wrong with the UK and the whole world

[@robmustard6484]

It's disgusting beyond belief, it's bad enough some billionaire is able to dodge tax, but imagine voting for a party and defending it like that when she probably has about as much in the bank if not less, than all us lot. Complete embarrassment and quite literally the problem of this country i agree with you.

[@CH-gb7hf]

People defend it because they have their own scams going on and they are playing the same game.

[@basileldose1719]

... But i mean it's legal innit... I don't get why u go after the individual when it's a problem with the system... They should really revise a tax system that is less complicated

[@robmustard6484]

@@basileldose1719 The problem is him and the tax system. The whole tory party infact. But keep those undertones of defence for a guy who makes your life harder while he enjoys his privilege. Seriously if you ain't making millions and live in the UK (guessing you do?) you are insulting yourself just like that caller.

[@jobbyomoron8478]

She isn’t dodging taxes. She’s within her legal right to do what she wants.

[@-_marvin_-]

"There are many crooks, so being a crook is not crooked, even if you're responsible for stopping crooks". That's what I heard from this caller.

[@thaumaturgeishere331]

Why is this woman calling in? She seems to making an argument for breaking the law, including those who make the law. I really do not understand why she is so passionate about defending someone who is richer than the Queen.

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

No. She was saying that someone might exploit the law while still obeying it. There are many people who are on benefits who have more children just so they can have more benefits. It is legal, but immoral IMHO. But do you put people in prison for having a baby? What happens to the baby?

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 not even remotely similar to a multi millionaire chancellor of UKs wife dodging tax

[@brianwrightsunderlandcruis1699]

@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 🤣lets compare billionaires to people on benfits realy the differance is her husband has taken money away from these people while his family score for a 4 mill tax break break ,if you live here pay your tax here, if you dont,go live in the country you make your money from in this case russia or india the people you look down on ,on benefits dont have that choice simple ,benefits👍🙄

[@jobbyomoron8478]

Because Jobby sets up fake calls to make himself look intelligent

[@peterburry3553]

@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 The person in question is wife to the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, which makes it many more times morally wrong.... That's the whole point being made by JOB here

[@marciawalters7528]

What a waste of time and energy. She's the type of person who is more in love with their voice, rather than making any sense whatsoever 😒

[@christinavuyk7875]

Don’t care if what she’s done is legal, it’s still morally wrong for someone in her position as the wife of the Chancellor 😳🤬

[@peterah7957]

It's only legal because governments set the laws.. If every low earner could use this loophole and all the millionaires couldn't then they would close it! They would then saying this is not right!

[@andylucas1175]

You are confusing morals with the Tories, they have no morals.

[@jobbyomoron8478]

Irrelevant though. If she hasn’t broken the law we should move on.

[@jobbyomoron8478]

@@peterah7957 what a terrible argument

[@nigelhopkinson6614]

Dose that mean she can't live here full time ?

[@paulbird3235]

"we voted them in" that pretty much defines the arrogance of this lunatic woman.

[@blueband8114]

Defending the indefensible. Mugs and forelock tuggers propping up the 'slimy dodgy Elite'.

[@rowancrew2934]

People know their place in society and are happy with it, pathetic or what.

[@petec3241]

Here, we’ve hit the nail on Britain’s problems. There are a lot of people out who won’t condemn tax avoidance because if they had £11m coming in, they’d do exactly the same. They would love to be in a position to do the same.

[@markwindt9398]

Unless you received a large percentage of that £11M through corruption over the years. Tell that to all the workers on PAYE, Its only a privileged few that have the opportunity to do it,. If it became common practice Im sure it would be stopped.

[@charanjitsidhu4733]

@ Pete C • ARE YOU???

[@michaelc3051]

Tax avoidance schemes are the problem. The law is too complex and contains far too many loopholes. The tax code needs simplifying, with avoidance loopholes closed.

[@AnaInTh3Sky]

Im afraid you just hit the nail on the head... :(

[@petec3241]

@@charanjitsidhu4733 if you’re asking me if I approve of these schemes or the morality behind them, certainly not. I remember at uni debating the morality that if people wanted to pay enormous amounts to watch their sports stars play, that was ok. It was another thing to enact fiscal laws to give them an advantage over those fans in tax affairs.

[@martinfox3478]

I'm not sure who this caller thinks is going to pay for public services, such as the NHS, if everyone undertook tax avoidance.

[@kyorin6526]

The NHS is already going sadly thanks to the Tories running it down in preparation for selling it off.

[@TT-hy8yl]

or who's paying her wages at HMRC,?

[@basileldose1719]

... Thats the problem... Its a problem with the tax system not the person, if u wer in their position 90% of everyone would do what she does... Cause she can and its legal...

[@jobbyomoron8478]

The NHS should no longer be publicly funded anyway.

[@hayden9389]

@@jobbyomoron8478 Every other comment Is you defending someone 1. You know nothing about, 2. That would not look at you twice if they passed you in the street. Millionaires do not care for you.

[@mikehall7189]

I literally face palmed listening to this lady.

[@مرحبابك-ض1ن]

BRB just gonna apply to be non domiciled, bit bored of paying taxes

[@bigpants6121]

Grim listening.

[@pippipster6767]

A quagmire of thickness.

[@robiulahmed]

I don’t see the issue. If it’s foreign income, let it be.

[@pippipster6767]

@@robiulahmed Well then you have completely and utterly misunderstood. The issue is not at all the origin of the income. The issue is that of domicile and the meaning of that is where your home basically is and where you stay most of the time. I.e. the UK.

[@attackpatterndelta8949]

I’m sick of this argument of “Everyone’s doing it”. It’s such a weak argument. Our leaders should be held to a higher standard, especially as they are ones who set the rules for the rest of us.

[@dogsordominos]

And bigger prison sentences not just resigned t wats

[@Shaggy-8392]

Everyone's not doing it. Only the rich and powerful

[@Harvester236]

Plus it's such an overstatement to assume all 65 million + of us are guilty of tax avoidance, when really it's mostly the 1%. Tory apologists like this Karen are the reason we still have crooks in charge ruining everyone's lives.

[@bereal6590]

The weak use the argument of everyone is doing it, the weak are immoral and lack values empathy and nitrite. They'll pretend they care and give money to the homeless but they've no honour. They make me sick. They don't introspect or learn,they're frightened sheeple who will shame and blame and 'other' those in society they feel they can point the finger at but they'll never challenge what's wrong in society. Deep down because they want to be like those Immoral people and they don't really care

[@blacky1987]

Can we all just take stock and appreciate that everyone in the comments here is unified against this idiot caller. As someone else posted, "the upper class have convinced the middle class that the working class are the problem."

[@wephilips6651]

Think the working classes are more likely to vote Tory/Brexit and defend this stuff

[@blacky1987]

@@wephilips6651 yeah, can see that actually. Mental isnt it

[@gerardmackay8909]

@@wephilips6651 that is soooo true. ‘The motive’ stash my money away from EU auditors reach. ‘The means’ get them to shoot themselves in the foot in the ballot box. ‘The bait’ we’ll get the foreigners out!!

[@MrMonne84]

This is the typical type of person that would believe Boris was right having parties because the rules were too extreme and go and vote Tories come the election.

[@garyspruce7736]

Was he? Have you got any proof yet?

[@basileldose1719]

@@garyspruce7736 I mean ngl the pictures speak for themselves

[@basileldose1719]

... I mean who else do they vote for... All the parties have got their own flaws... Like it's all kinda clapped

[@garyspruce7736]

@@basileldose1719 what pictures speak for themselves?

[@MrMonne84]

@@garyspruce7736 it's not about proof my friend. They believe anything they're told, you've now got the full picture as well. She's offered to pay millions in tax and why? Because they had a lot more to hide, Sunak has been well and truly exposed.

[@evertonfrancis640]

Any person who is in a particular country should contribute to the security of that country where they reside in.

[@basileldose1719]

... But they do... The chancellors wife pays her UK earned income to the UK and the NI on her UK business?

[@evertonfrancis640]

@@basileldose1719 No she doesn’t pay any income tax, that’s why it’s such a big news event!

[@anonaanonymous8359]

@@evertonfrancis640 yes she does She pays tax on her uk income

[@Jimmie16]

A typical Tory Brexit supporter who believes that to avoid your responsibilities is OK. She earns money here so she should pay her tax here.

[@Gavinmartinlee]

I know someone just like this woman she basically knows everything about sod all and will argue the toss even if you show her concrete evidence that she is wrong

[@maxthelab8457]

Society is FULL of them these days - that's why so much takes so long to get done.

[@stevendurrant1724]

Did she even have a point? She just seemed quite angry about her beloved elites being criticised a bit. Defending elites is the essence of "populism" innit.

[@Bickle121]

I almost hate her kind of argument more than an outright aggressive/crazy argument because she really doesn’t have an argument, she’s either just being a contrarian or she just refuses to criticise them because it’s the tories. Just a pathetic non answer argument

[@rtjames]

My guess is she has interesting tax returns or is aware of someone who does.

[@michaelathanasiou2030]

James O'Moron blames Sunaks wife because there's a loophole that's got nothing do with her LOL

[@scottkirkland6139]

She sounds quite posh,

[@yes-me6yg]

"You just don't like it that someone else has shown creativity with their family budget" Fr someone needs to look into her family's creative budgeting. I think she may have mentioned owning a business but she was erratic and not easy to follow

[@joe94c]

@@rtjames nah, she's temporarily poor millionaire. She would do exactly the same so she wants to keep things the same for when she's rich

[@a.l.rockliffe]

It is becoming very tiresome to hear these excuse-mongers using the same infantile argument - "well they did it as well". They seem to want to rewrite the idiom to "two wrongs make a right".

[@edmundwest5636]

It worked in kindergarten, didn't it? or maybe not.

[@a.l.rockliffe]

@@edmundwest5636 Depends on your definition of "worked". With these people, "getting away with it" is considered a win.

[@basileldose1719]

... But she didn't really do anything 'wrong', morally fair enough but like she's not breaking the law... To solve this just make it illegal then boom that's 1 problem solved... But u still gotta deal with the whole tax system

[@Adam-lz8oo]

@@basileldose1719 even morally it isn't fair enough. Taking money under the threat of violence then irresponsibly and inefficiently spending that money is not morally justifiable

[@dillontaylor2569]

"Did you just growl at me Lorraine!?"😂😂😂

[@sharonramsey715]

The British madness is amazing. Poor woman is crazy, a small stay in a mental hospital might help, but I fear she’s to far gone.

[@noelpucarua2843]

Would that be a political asylum?

[@PhillsReviews]

Likely a tory activist

[@basileldose1719]

... You are stating this women's words as a 'madness'... I mean what's to say your spouting 'nonsense'... Nothing, which is really why ur opinion doesn't matter... Calling her a 'poor' woman, why do you patronise her like that as if you know her situation... The disrespect be kinda sad

[@sharonramsey715]

@@basileldose1719 Ahh Basil, I’m sorry if I touched a sore point. It seems if you agree with her then perhaps you might wish to join her in that mental hospital.

[@agdgdgwngo]

"a company I've worked with" - totally clears the air with regards to your vested interest.

[@OJoRob]

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if she is part of the PR team who came up with the petrol station idea. No real person could be this ludicrous surely.

[@colinireson9339]

I'm afraid that many people are. Worrying isn't it.

[@Matt-vo1ge]

The last election?

[@anthonymcloughlin2634]

Problem is Sunak’s wife is resident in the UK therefore she has to pay tax on any income she earns whether earned overseas or in the UK. The caller is an ejit who has no knowledge of UK tax law or rather sounds like someone who is avoiding tax🤔

[@pje1976]

Pay up $45 trillion looted from India first. Then preach.

[@anthonymcloughlin2634]

@@pje1976 who’s preaching not me plus I’m Irish so your point is moot. This debate has nothing to do with her as an individual but about the whole taxation system.

[@stephenwise2735]

The issue isn't her, the issue is how he thinks that he should be chancellor of the exchequer whilst he is married to her. He either needs to divorce her or divorce himself from being a politician in the UK.

[@sahasransusbarik]

Lol, 😂

[@jobbyomoron8478]

Talk us through it

[@Davefrompub]

Stephen you are dumb. You do not punish someone for the crimes of another in association.

[@geminil2415]

I'm more worried about the fact that we have a PM that says it shouldn't be investigated.The whole shebang is rotten.

[@emmahenry3995]

I remember reading an article on homelessness and I dunno if this true but the message still stands. This person goes to what we in the west would call an "uncivilised" society. Where there were people living off of the land, no electricity, running water. What they hunted they ate and all lived together etc etc. When they saw how we treated people in our society, i.e people going hungry, people on the streets with no home etc. They looked at us as uncultured and uncivilised, because yes we might not have microwaves, phones, shampoo, cars and all the things that you consider "cultured" but we ensure everyone in our society is fed, has a home and is looked after when they are sick no matter what. How can you call yourself civilised and have your people starving without a home? Johnson, Sunak and anyone that works with and supports them in my view are savages! Uncultured savages! Our society is broken and this caller can't even see it! Sad.

[@herzkine]

❤😢

[@jazzytimes2373]

the caller is a blm leftist socalist fool.

[@emmahenry3995]

@Wasssup Dawwwg You've completely missed my point, I'm talking about morality. Not some BS technicality written by people who have never known what it's like to go a day hungry in Thier lives. We're more than aware of what the "rules" are, but it doesn't make them right.

[@colinwishbone4437]

Notice you didn't mention Labours millionaires including Starmer,Corbyn,Mcdonnell,and Grabber Blair.???

[@bereal6590]

100% spot on✌

[@wild3812]

Cant agree more. I am a small business owner and got heavily hit by stories recent tax increases while ultra rich (his wife) pay zero

[@SolaceOfLyra]

I was expected her in demanding to see James' manager.

[@magnusbuckus3266]

Caller needs to learn the difference between planning, avoidence and evasion. Constantly conflicts the two.

[@steveturner6770]

It's all evasion in my book.

[@The1980Philip]

Avoidance is evasion done legally by exploiting loopholes.

[@timcomley3241]

Spot on

[@jobbyomoron8478]

@@steveturner6770 but not in the legal book which is all that matters

[@steveturner6770]

@@jobbyomoron8478 unfortunately true - the UK tax evaders wrote that legal book.

[@Technicallyimright]

It’s simple, if every working class person did take advantage of these loopholes, they would be closed quickly.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

We don't have sufficient wealth to do so, that's the point!

[@dorbid]

It’s incredible how these people always find an excuse for this behavior. Probably to justify their vote to themselves.

[@dorbid]

@Satoshi Nakamoto I vote Lib dem

[@kanedNunable]

@Satoshi Nakamoto the tories would have done the same thing, they said so.

[@skullicious]

@Satoshi Nakamoto More Tories voted for that war than Labour. Check out the voting record.

[@MrGrifft]

@Satoshi Nakamoto W H A T A B O U T I S M

[@Adam-lz8oo]

@Satoshi Nakamoto seems pretty weird to call someone a muppet when the only argument you have is that, theoretically, the other side would have been worse. Even stranger that you seem to think there is any real difference between the labour and tory party.

[@LordBillington42]

My wife is from the US. Even though she lives and works here she has to file US taxes.

[@doomlabs769]

Because of dual citizenship.... renounce the American citizenship..... hey presto! No more yank tax

[@j.p.vanbolhuis8678]

Yeah, but that is a US specialty. Once a US citizen you have to file taxes in USA independent of where you live. And if the country you live in has no tax treaty with the USA then you might very well be liable for double taxation. It gets worse. If you mother/father was a US citizen and you NEVER ever went to the USA, or had anything to do with them, but your parent declared your birth at the US embassy, then you still are liable for US taxes. And if the country you live in has an extradition treaty, then they can extradite you for tax evasion, financial crimes.

[@ScepticalBrit]

Not really sure what that caller was on about, I think there is an mental health hospital missing a patient.......

[@captaincanary5385]

What was this woman's arguement??? I never got the actual point of it. She just kept shouting "close it for everyone?" as if that was mental and then shouted the names of dodgy businessmen and tax havens as bizarre examples of why it was ok. Was she alright?

[@carolegibbs8856]

I agree - I'm glad I didn't hold my breath waiting for her to make her point!!

[@chrisyoung2123]

The way she kept spluttering in disbelief at the idea that it was somehow unacceptable to avoid tax

[@jordanmills1106]

She didn't even know 😆

[@maggieboo8142]

Maybe she's related to the lady tax invaded, I wonder 🤔 🤑🇬🇧

[@kyffinjones8028]

No, mainly it's mental cases that phone in on these shows

[@lukehill449]

Staggers me how someone can passionately defend someone avoiding all that tax whilst people in the lower echelons of the society are going to struggle with tax increases ..

[@susangavaghan]

The fact that Sunak's wife can avoid tax is despicable.

[@basileldose1719]

... But I mean u can 2...its a problem with the system not the person

[@arbjful]

@@basileldose1719 it’s not about law, it’s more about being responsible and moral

[@arbjful]

@Wasssup Dawwwg so if I live for 15 years in the UK, will I be eligible for permanent status?

[@revanth3508]

If his wife payed tax in india for income earned in india , why should she pay tax a second time for the same income in the U.K. again ?

[@arbjful]

@@revanth3508 because she is living in UK taking benefit of the infrastructure/services paid for by the taxpayers in UK. You cannot have one foot in India and another in UK…you have to contribute to their tax structure also

[@t.p.mckenna]

This country slowly found its way to democracy and in our post-war times we have seen the disestablishment of the class system, but still, but still, but still we don't seem to be able the design out the fixed mentality of serfdom and forelock tugging. Truly despairing.

[@Peter-Ac]

Philip greens wife was in the same position and he was made a knight historically has been many elevated people in this country, who live most of their life and benefit from living in this country who have used their spouses non-domiciled status to avoid paying tax. Some of them even wear in parliament where they got to vote and affect other peoples lives whilst living here tax free

[@jafboxed]

I get the impression she thinks if you just keep shouting gibberish, it means you’re right 😂

[@JonnyEnglish-gu1cs]

This woman is everything that is wrong in this country how can she defend it madness

[@JonnyEnglish-gu1cs]

@Steven O'Neill definitely I am a nightmare in my opinion yes she is wrong to defend sunaks wife did nothing legally wrong but as the wife of the COE it does seem wrong she claims to be non domiciled but lives here uses the facilities here but doesn’t want to pay tax here but she has now backtracked and paying taxes here now so I can’t be that wrong and the public feeling about the situation is strong your right the system is wrong but only government can change it and by calling out situations like to cancel hope to effect change illegal no morally wrong definitely

[@codelunatic]

It's income earned by an Indian company using infrastructure, workforce etc based out of India. Why do people think the UK is owed tax on that income?

[@craig3370]

Got to say and on many of points I don’t agree with James. But I heard that lady who called in breaking her heart and struggling with the rise in Costs and feeling guilty. This has changed my view completely. It has made me think and change many of my views this shouldn’t be happening. I’d like to wish that lady all the best and James thank you we all need to listen to this story.

[@cardigan3000]

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity."

[@toolatehello3345]

This is a clear conflict of interest. You can't have a chancellor of the exchequer, who makes the rules on tax, clearly protecting his household from paying tax , while inflecting tax rises on everyone else!!!

[@Quas08]

“I’m going to be controversial”. Lorraine was not controversial.

[@thecockerel86]

Some people see people who beat the system in whatever way as heroes. The consequences of their actions are never a consideration in this hero worship. The caller here is a prime example of such.

[@herzkine]

especially intersting as she sounds to be ex middle clasd, soon welfare recipient too, because the rich emptied the coffers.

[@bobsurface908]

It seems so obvious when you say it out loud: If you live in the UK, you should pay UK tax on EVERYTHING you earn - no matter where, no matter how. No claiming expenses, losses: pay tax on your earnings, full monty, straight up. If your business can't function enough to pay tax on its earnings, go out of business - full stop. I know that will affect small businesses NOW - but future ones will change the way they operate to run their finances such that they put aside their earnings they need to to pay tax, and the rest they keep. But more importantly: the Tescos, Sunaks, Starbucks, Googles and so on will no longer be able to avoid tax. (And in 2012, it was found that doing this would increase the tax base NINE TIMES in the UK, and that if the expected 30% or so businesses closed or fled the country...the tax base would still be almost quarupled.)

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

Unfortunately for you your argument is used in the US as to why Starbucks, Google etc. should pay so little tax outside the US because they claim they are a US company and think their taxes should go to the US instead. The public cannot have it both ways. Do you think that most of the tax money from Starbucks's income gained exclusively in the UK should go to the US taxman? That was what street protests against Starbucks were about.

[@chetmanley1885]

Small business probably would be ok since they by and large pay, they can't afford the expensive accountants and multinational structures to avoid paying.

[@garyspruce7736]

What is she actually doing ? I don't understand it . She has shares in an Indian company, does she pay tax on that in India. Does she run businesses in this country, if so doesn't she pay tax on them?

[@bobsurface908]

@@garyspruce7736 She's declared herself non-domicile (only costs 30k...) with connections to India. So she lives in the UK, paid in the UK but pays taxes in India and avoids them there too. The problem is: Sunak didn't CLAIM his wife's business interests when he joined the Cabinet - bit of an issue as he's responsible for the group in charge of non-dom status rules.

[@garyspruce7736]

@@bobsurface908 she pays taxes in uk on money made here .

[@bosco008]

From the US. Love this show.

[@Do_not_assume]

You mean, James O'Brian. He's got a brain unlike some LBC presenters.

[@emmadawson2360]

If Mrs. Sunak wants to benefit from being a Non-Dom, then she should spend part of the year, out of the country.

[@brads2784]

how do you know she doesnt? Didn't realise you had access to her private diary and knew her whereabouts all year round?

[@kurumbaatoll9190]

That money belongs to India, not Britain. She should pay tax over there.

[@exwhyz33]

She is paying UK taxes for her earnings in the UK and Indian taxes for earnings in India. UK and India have 'tax equivalence' arrangements so it is only paid once in the relevant country, not twice.

[@moviesedits]

What has happened to the British people? There is a right to tax on the income earned on British land and not on the earnings in other countries. Everyone living in Britain is paying taxes, so why should they pay tax on their earnings, which they earn in other countries, while Madam Sunak is not even a British citizen.

[@serinadelmar6012]

blimey, she’s not the brightest lamp in the street.

[@theworldaccordingto4555]

A token short of a toaster. Kangaroos in the attic!

[@davapod]

She really needs to stop shouting and learn how to talk.

[@Gargamel616]

*Speak

[@nathaniliescutotherescue6047]

This woman is so livid about closing this loophole she can barely form coherent sentences lol.

[@carlcassidy185]

She's been well and truly hoodwinked by the billionaire class.

[@spencerlee3196]

She has agreed to pay 20 million back my issue is why would you do that to save your husbands 80 grand a year job, what else are this criminal family hiding?

[@obscurazone]

Here in the Netherlands we have very competitive corporate tax rates, its around 8%, so its a great place to do business. And the plus positive for Dutch society, is that profits are not allowed to be offshored. Ipso facto they get taxed effectively and that cash is reinvested here. And no, there are no loopholes. The Dutch are absolutely fastidious when it comes to accounting and administration.

[@pprreejj]

Why isn't this model used everywhere else then?

[@joe94c]

@@pprreejj greed

[@joe94c]

@@pprreejj why pay 8% when you can effectively pay less

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

There are possibly loopholes you do not know about.

[@yes-me6yg]

@@pprreejj also the kind of cultural arrogance that the brexit campaign tapped into but yeah mostly greed like the other guy said

[@Kaan-wx7zg]

Yh but Philip green, yh but Bermuda, yh but happens to be the chancellor's wife. I mean why do you think that a man worth hundreds of millions, that's married to a billionaire, is doing a job that pays 150k a year? It's not to fight your corner, it's to fight theirs

[@kentendo6453]

As a compliance officer in HMRC this woman had me banging my head against a brick wall. Absolutely clueless little lemming

[@garyspruce7736]

Shouldn't you be out catching all the people who were working while claiming furlough . Or the people out working for cash and probably claiming benefits. Most self employed are creative, some within the law .

[@kentendo6453]

@@garyspruce7736 I work in VAT fraud, so income tax and employer compliance isn't my main area of work. It's a big organisation and we all do a variety of different things. For what it's worth I was nowhere near the Job Retention Scheme, I was busy squeezing foreign traders for output tax suppression and more recently dealing with the skip fire that is Brexit

[@Griffolion0]

Could someone explain to me what her point even was? I don't think I heard her make an actual coherent argument.

[@herzkine]

those things were abolished worldwide in the big maga Revolution:-D

[@Charlies247]

This woman is the reason Boris is in the position he is. I give up, the U.K. is doomed.

[@WaterCarrier07]

I dunno if she’s a Dom but Rishi is definitely a sub ahahah

[@kb4903]

Brilliant comment.

[@WaterCarrier07]

@@kb4903 hehehe it was the low hanging fruit

[@mollycuddle9990]

@@WaterCarrier07 it is hilarious though and should really be on the front cover of every paper tomorrow, but it won’t, very sadly. 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@corryjookit7818]

It costs about £ 30, 000 to get it. We can't do this in situ, how can she.

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

She was born in India. She has Indian citizenship. She does not have UK citizenship. In theory she could be deported back to India if her immigration status changed. In theory she could be deported if they both got involved in a car accident and could never work again and were disabled.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

If they became disabled in a accident thus could no longer work, they won’t be deported because they have IMMENSE wealth some in U.K. banks which the U.K. economy benefits from

[@JB-sl9vg]

Now I know, without a doubt, that listening to someone lick boots is as painfully cringe as watching someone lick boots.

[@lythalls]

She sounds like someone who does her best to avoid paying her taxes .

[@aacmove]

On the black!

[@brv1111]

100% agree with James. The system has to change. Just another starkly clear example of the moral compass of the powerful and wealthy. I understand Sunak would want to defend his wife but how he can morally defend this loophole is beyond me. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s right or fair. Final point: if you take an opposing stance don’t ring up O’Brien without a clearly planned argument otherwise he will quickly tear you apart. That’s what he does.

[@peterburry3553]

Such a forceful. "controversial" stance from someone who turns out to have absolutely no argument whatsoever, nor even a point to make for that matter,

[@hayzed9491]

She's paying National insurances? No her employees pay that.

[@MiningForPies]

Employers pay national insurance contributions on top of what the employee pays.

[@hayzed9491]

@@MiningForPies And if you don't think they take that into account when deciding what to pay an employee, I don't know what to tell you.

[@MiningForPies]

@@hayzed9491 well I really don’t want to listen to you anyway, as you’re a little bit thick and go on the attack when proven wrong.

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

What are you talking about? Employers pay the wages and employers pay the tax on income. Do employees pay employers to employ them? Possibly very rarely if they just want a reference or are involved in some sort of immigration scam.

[@garyspruce7736]

@@hayzed9491 couldn't admit being wrong then?

[@drewcampbell8555]

Wrong James. The whole tax system DOES need upended.

[@imSatnav]

I wonder what Lorraine would say if someone called in to justify slavery on the basis that, " Yeah well, 1820. Everyone was doing it weren't they."?

[@dawngibson2640]

It takes a well paid person to defend a well paid rich tax dodger. Never ask a poor person what's wrong with the system.

[@tybes99]

What planet is this woman living on? This is what happens when you live in blissful ignorance because terrible government policy doesn't have an impact on you

[@herzkine]

..tbh she sounds like the ex middle class who think they are still at the table...while the rich get the last pennen from the social security and welfare she will soon need also. what a disgrace, she will blame it on antifa or BS then still

[@kablegames2446]

This will vote tory no matter what the tories do

[@LiveDonkeyDeadLion]

I still don’t understand how she can be a non-dom, but her husband who she lives with isn’t a non-dom. I should say I was a taxman for 21 years, and can’t see how she can claim non-dom status when she is living here with her husband and her kids go to school here. That’s literally the definition of domicile status. Unless the chancellor of course has also claimed non-dom status and only gave it up when he got into politics as what must only be a hobby for him. It’s worth pointing out that tax paid abroad in almost all cases is covered by a double taxation agreement which means if you paid 15% tax on the income abroad then you don’t have to pay that 15% here again, only the difference that would be due here under our own tax laws

[@simplesimonhadapie]

easy roger just look at the panama and paradise papers. if you are ultra wealthy the rules don'y apply just ask lewis hamilton (did he ever get round to the VAT on the plane he bought for his business of going on holidays)

[@cliffhulcoopofficial8075]

She is officially an Indian and refuses to give up her Indian citizenship.

[@paulrobinson8704]

@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 she doesn't have to give up her citizenship. She can just stop filling in the paperwork to claim non dom status which she has to do every year

[@questionmark9819]

I heard that to qualify for non dom status you need to spend one day out of the UK, don't know if this was the case before or still is but it's wrong

[@Gargamel616]

@@simplesimonhadapie Imagine referencing the Panama Papers and then citing Lewis Hamilton 😂 as the prime example.

[@boxingsage5675]

She’s well and truly been hoodwinked!

[@ComeRee]

James, You're a walking saint. Thank you and your parents for creating and raising you [right]. Cariad fawr o Gymru - Much love from Wales x

[@fasteddie6806]

" She employs people over here!! " Yes. Accountants.

[@MOON-lw5xt]

And lawyers

[@LDJJohn]

Avoiding tax is not “creative”, writing a book, a song, painting a picture, making a film, that’s creative. Paying a builder £200 cash in hand is not comparable to avoiding £100,000s in tax 😂😂😂😂

[@garyspruce7736]

How much do you think it costs the country paying your builder 200 pounds in cash , and let's not talk about people on benefits doing cash jobs , both illegal but that is OK to you.

[@herzkine]

@@garyspruce7736 who said it is? yo seem to claim your immorality and crimes for all again.

[@garyspruce7736]

@@herzkine breaking the law , is breaking the law if a builder can get Away with saving some tax , or the window cleaner, or cleaner I am not even sure why all the take away restaurants love cash . Surely that is worse than legally using a loop hole .

[@vercoda9997]

Sounds like the tax office should be looking into Lorraine's situation. She seems awfully, awfully interested/defensive for people not to pay taxes.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Absolutely! Just had a windfall, has she?

[@scoot8534]

She's one of them , she doesn't listen ,yes ya mad boot twice

[@Sixmanclan]

For clarification, she WAS paying tax in the UK on any UK income. I don’t think she should pay tax in the UK on her dividend income from an Indian company that’s already paid all the applicable taxes in the UK for their UK work. She should be paying the tax in the country where the profit has been generated, INDIA! You can argue she ought to pay more there, but how can you argue that she has to pay it here?

[@Sixmanclan]

Look up why non dom status, it was to allow colonisers to pilfer from the colonies

[@cg986]

She probably doesn't pay taxes herself. Corrupt defending the corrupt.

[@ea7109]

C'mon , how many of us can realistically aviod paying tax? 😄😄 For whatever reason, she's been snowed🤔

[@cg986]

@@ea7109 Rich people do it all the time.

[@ea7109]

@@cg986 Exactly. Not the majority of the country.

[@shipyardtown8155]

Seriously. My blood was boiling. I'd have lost it with her.

[@chriss8971]

Caller hasn't got a clue about anything. This is an example of getting the worst person to argue for the opposing view in order to discredit that viewpoint. The viewpoint deserves discrediting, but frankly you should have saved her from embarrassment by not putting this on youtube.

[@timvaine260]

I might be wrong, but I think the caller talked for 5 minutes and didn't actually manage to say anything.

[@martinmanifold2241]

James obrien you shame yourself