Pastor Rick Warren on Gay Marriage, Abortion, Torture

[@theotherme4120]

The Bible is filled wall to wall with sinners - except for one guy.

[@heyyou4688]

Preach

[@stride5264]

Is that all you got or seen from Bible?

[@MelodyOfVision]

Life at conception is in Psalm 139:13-16 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Well I'm glad that you're trying to understand. Please don't give up - God is a lot nicer than what you've come to understand thus far. Understanding God is a journey - I didn't completely understand God overnight, but what I do know about Him I love and I'm enjoying the trip!

[@MojoPin1983]

Ravi Zacharias gave the most eloquent, profound and sensitive response that I have heard with respect to the Christian view on homosexuality. The point he makes in the first few minutes is a crucial one that most people overlook or never even consider. *Ravi Zacharias on the Christian View of Homosexuality:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIG8g4ulpZyUhqM&app=desktop

[@MelodyOfVision]

God isn't a war god, but He's no push-over. That's one of the things I like about Him. He has my respect!

[@bananka4905]

God does battle. And there will be a huge one

[@awsambdaman]

Rick is right.

[@bananka4905]

Rick sounds like he doesn't want to shout out the gospel

[@MelodyOfVision]

Well, I *told* you that this wasn't a popular thing to state. This is what a good number of people believe but are too afraid to say. And of course you're going to accuse me of all sorts of terrible things, but that's to be expected. Like I said, I care more about what God thinks, than I do of those who hate Him. I do believe however that some people out there will take what I have to say to heart, read the Bible, get to know God, and accept His ways as the truth.

[@briandonald1417]

Rick is Wrong. The Bible clearly states marriage is between the a man and woman . As a preacher you don’t compromise the Bible. I’m gay and I’m against same sex marriages period. We all have problems. But just because something feels right doesn’t mean it’s right. Yes I’m gay and Native American and I am not sorry I stand with the Bible on this issue. I never understood how the Bible says there will be preachers I. He’ll. I now understand. Too much is given much is required. Requiring you were of the world night on God side.This is a Christian agenda. A preacher who wants to limit ? No I believe in the Bible not mans feeling..

[@jenisebrooks4308]

And a lot of folks didn't have an issue with civil partnership the issue came when folks wanted to call it marriage. That woke up the Christians as it should.

[@MelodyOfVision]

"So you don't think that Muslims extremists should be ashamed of their beliefs?" I don't think there is any point in trying to shame them. It's a waste of time.

[@MelodyOfVision]

If you say so, but others don't share your view.

[@MelodyOfVision]

No those two don't even parallel each other. Get your facts straight. Incest was not the cause of S&G's destruction, it was because of their mounting sins. Then, the homosexuals wanted to rape the angels visiting Lot, which was really the last straw. The concubine in the book of Judges was raped and what have you by the homosexuals because they couldn't have the priest (who wasn't so great himself). She died from her injuries and all the other Israelites came against that town for that.

[@MelodyOfVision]

I *did* say the grand scale persecution will be in the future, did I not? And I did not make a specific statement about who is and who isn't a Christian, only that not everyone who goes to church is Christian. Nowadays some people go to church to socialize, make business contacts, etc. But the Bible does say that you will know them by their fruit (Luke 6:43-45).

[@MelodyOfVision]

You're right in saying that it did not originate in the homosexual community, but it became prevalent in that community. I wouldn't say that AIDS came about as the sole reason for punishing homosexuals, but God can use anything to punish or even bless anyone.

[@MelodyOfVision]

You can keep hoping. There will come a time, when you'll think what you've hoped for has come true, because Christians will be persecuted again on a grand scale. But just when you think we're wiped out, you'll be sorely disappointed again.

[@MelodyOfVision]

"There are Muslims who leave their religion every day, so no, it's not a waste of time." Okay, then go ahead and tell them they should be ashamed of themselves. I bet you're too afraid.

[@MelodyOfVision]

God never instituted marriages with multiple wives and had to spell it out at some point to define as one man and one woman. And He NEVER included marriages of the same sex.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Christians *have* been persecuted through the centuries, but maybe in ways that aren't so obvious to you. It's obvious when Christian churches get burned down or bombed, or when they're getting killed by those outside the faith. But there is also persecution within. Not everyone who goes to church is Christian and not every church who professes faith in God is Christian. We get our worst persecution there. It was "church people" who condemned Jesus on the cross to die.

[@MelodyOfVision]

That's a misconception that all punishments would hurt only the guilty party. Sometimes not. In the OT, Israel was wandering far away from God and committing all sorts of injustices, so He warned that they would lose their nation and be sent off to Babylon. This included good and bad people. God kept his faithful people safe for the most part, but some of His prophets died because those who didn't want to follow God had killed them. But they are ultimately safe because now they're with God.

[@specialcookday]

Stop giving your money to Rick's Saddleback church.

[@MelodyOfVision]

"And you respect this? I fear that you're totally, irreversibly brainwashed." And I care because....? Like water rolling off a duck's back.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Click on "View all comments" at the bottom and you'll see which post it responds to. Sorry if it did not indent under the right post.

[@MelodyOfVision]

*Shrug* It *is* a good question. But this isn't something Christians sit around mulling about all day. I think it's more important to get to know God for Himself and not so much the minutiae of the things He created. Let science discover what He has done. If you're really curious to know, you should ask God Himself. Prayer won't hurt you, along with reading the Bible to understand God. I have to say though, that sometimes God answers in ways we don't expect or in the time limit we give Him.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Beskargam and Atheistjeremy, I'll talk to you guys tomorrow if you want to continue this discussion! Melody Of Vision

[@MelodyOfVision]

Nowhere does God promote multiple-wife marriage. People just started doing that anyway, and God had to limit it to one man and one wife later on. About following the Bible: That's why Jesus died for the world, to reconcile to Him anyone who wants to. He gives us the Holy Spirit to enable us to understand and follow the Bible. I'm fine with you not wanting to follow. No one should be forced to. But did it ever dawn on you that what you do is disgusting to God?

[@MelodyOfVision]

You think what you say shames me? I don't care what you think either.

[@solly7]

Actually, I meant what I said, as I said it. It is evident by the unfolding of the events subsequent to God's original statement that Adam & Eve suffered a spiritual death rather than a physical one, ergo their being removed from the Garden & the subsequent need for a Savior (Jesus). By the same application of linear logic, it is apparent that the deaths from the flood were, indeed, literal. Hence, the need for the sons AND their wives for the re-population of the Earth.

[@MelodyOfVision]

*Smile* Well, Atheistjeremy, you are free to do whatever you want. There is no one to stop you from promoting Jainism if this is what you wish!

[@solly7]

Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac for a very specific reason. Abraham had been unwilling to wait on the Lord for his promised son, hence the bastard child Ishmael by the servant girl. Abraham had always professed his faith & trust in God. Yet, he had shown it was not settled in his own heart. By walking through the sacrifice of his son, to the point of having raised the knife, he learned that he was, indeed, fully committed to God in his own heart.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Beskargam and Atheistjeremy, I'm really losing track of the discussion threads. You can PM me if you wish to continue the discussion. :o) Melody Of Vision

[@itry2brational]

"Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac for a very specific reason." So. Personally, speaking as a person with morals, I could care less what reason is given for commanding someone to murder their own son.

[@Sirafrican]

Amen pastor rick!!! That's the truth!!!!

[@MelodyOfVision]

You sure assume a lot. I don't hate gay people, but what they're doing is wrong. Accusing people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle is one of the ways that gay people try to intimidate others. But it's still wrong. You can accuse me all day and it won't change anything. I'm not one bit ashamed for speaking out about it.

[@itry2brational]

weilian, I think what you are trying to say is that Warren made a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. Just because a large group of people believe a certain way does not make them correct.

[@toelesshoe]

It is better to make use of your brother"s wife, than to spill your seed upon the ground. Another moral teaching from the bible. Take heed sisters

[@MelodyOfVision]

*Shrug* Warren cares more about what God thinks then about what liberals think. That's all.

[@itry2brational]

"Jesus said Adam and Eve are the example." Then we should follow their example and disobey God? Or should we follow God's example and commit genocide and infanticide? Or God's example of lying to Adam and Eve? "for when you eat of it you will surely die." "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17 They didn't die. Besides, how could they know God wasn't evil before eating from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? People forgive sooner than God.

[@GwydionMapDon]

The jews believed in polygamy until the freaking middle ages! Marriage HAS been redefined, by his very own religious tradition! Marriage defiitions also DO vary across cultures. Some cultures have embraced homosexuality as natural, even spiritual. He is blowing smoke to obsure his bigotry and intollerance. He will justify his unjust discrimination in any way he can.

[@itry2brational]

"hence the bastard child Ishmael by the servant girl." So Sarai can't bear(all but Isaac are 'bastards', 7 of 8), she suggests Abram impregnate her slave. Nice! Hagar conceives and despises the sight of Sarai (understandable). Sarai whines to Abram that its his fault and he says, 'she's your slave, do what you want to her'(paraphrased). Sarai 'dealt with her harshly' (aka beat a pregnant woman) so Hagar fled. You go girl! Impregnating a slave girl then beating her. Your moral source?

[@MelodyOfVision]

"And of course, when he's sending bears to maul youths that verbally harass his prophets." *Grin* Well, I thought that was pretty cool. And it worked too. Know one mocked Elisha since.

[@nicksum29]

Simply because I thanked God that I'm not one? - again, I thank God I am not American.

[@solly7]

Adam & Eve died spiritually, which is what God was referring to. If you read Scripture to understand it, you will see this. If you are just looking to find "contradictions", you can find what you're looking for on a Campbell's soup label, just as well.

[@itry2brational]

"Adam & Eve died spiritually, which is what God was referring to." Really? Did God make that distinction in the Bible somewhere? When he commanded Abraham to kill his son, did he mean it in the 'spiritual' sense? When he killed all life on earth save a few was it also metaphorical? What contradictions are there on a Campbell's soup label? Is Campbell's trying to establish an ideology/world-view/religion? I think what you mean is, you can find whatever you're looking for in the BIBLE.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Oh I see what you mean. Thank you for explaining. Why does one twin have to lack a soul? You've seen twins in real life, right? Before I was born, my Mom miscarried a brother or sister. I don't know why God chose to do that, but I know I'll get to see him or her when I pass from this mortal coil. I guess what I'm saying is that since God is the one who forms us in the womb, He can also decide to stop it, reabsorb zygotes and what have you. Have you ever met a chimera with multiple souls?

[@farhanserosh6797]

Its totally wrong not according to the Holy Bible

[@nicksum29]

Thank God I am not American.

[@itry2brational]

"Now. already know that you are not intent on giving any serious consideration to what is being said." Likewise, I am sure. Your arrogance of certainty and mental gymnastics are nothing new. What you expect me to do is drop all logic, reason and facts in order to accept your version of 'truth'. Truth is that which comports with reality. One of us is certainly being more realistic. You can choose to be a good, moral person without belief in the irrational.

[@OZMYMAN]

there are only 8.5 million more women in america what about those without partners?do they become public property?

[@itry2brational]

"the subsequent need for a Savior" Which God set them up for. So, before they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they were inept in those regards. So they had no way of knowing if God were good and the serpent were evil...yet God punishes not only them, but all humanity for their complete ignorance. "application of linear logic" Sure, lets apply some logic. So Jesus is God "I and the father are one", that would mean God sacrificed himself, to himself to appease...himself. hmmm

[@solly7]

Now. already know that you are not intent on giving any serious consideration to what is being said. You will simply focus on one word or thought, & try to use that to discount everything, congratulating yourself for your own cleverness in the process. However, you need to be confronted with the truth. What you do with it is up to you.

[@rokitman5753]

what do you say when ppl are born gay? its possibly a crossed gene or something we dont understand but does that give us a right to hate and condem?

[@leonardotukiman8253]

He never said that. He said use a differenr word and don't call it marriage.

[@itry2brational]

"Actually, I meant what I said, as I said it." Then by all means, reveal the contradictions on Campbell's soup labels which hurt the ideology its attempting to establish. If only your Bible meant what it said, as it said it. If it is "evident" that God meant a 'spiritual' death, where is the evidence? Is spiritual death ever defined in the Bible? If its after A & E, how would they have known its a bad? It actually doesn't seem all that bad. The only one who makes things bad is, well, God.

[@MelodyOfVision]

Oh I'm sorry, I guess I should have qualified that the Bible is for humans only. *Grin* I guess you're right. God had us in mind long before He created us.

[@MelodyOfVision]

*Grin* I thank God you're not American either.

[@arnoeeuwigheid4499]

👉THOU SHALT NOT KILL !!!!!!!!!!!"👈

[@adoracle1]

testing

[@toelesshoe]

@MagicPlums Could you elaborate on god's "punishment" please

[@adoracle1]

the point being that if we can do it, then God can too. However he pulls it off, its not outside the realm of our own reality except that the details are absent and so you assume that in those times technology was absent.But God's not an earthling.His technology is clearly superior to anything we can do, but we emulate our maker;HE EXISTS ps. to all...bible does NOT say that soul enters at conception, Rickyboy lies through his judgmental,hypocritical teeth.

[@eierer]

Hehe, polygamy is actually allowed in both the old and the new testament. This guy should read the bible. :)

[@toelesshoe]

@MagicPlums Gen. 38:8-10

[@americablessgod1273]

Great video l. Unlike is for the false prophet.

[@dayweed85]

you already failed :)