The pinnacle of guitar genius! To see both the Diminished 7th chord (1-b3-b5-bb7) and the Augmented triad (1-3-#5) as “parental forms” is pure genius. Those 2 chord structures are both “symmetrical” in that one is based on 4 equally-separated minor thirds, and the other is based on 3 equally-separated major thirds. That “symmetry” of equally-distanced intervals is why they work so perfectly as “parental forms”. This is one of the greatest realizations ever about the nature of the guitar. Thanks Pat!
@gkniffen2 жыл бұрын
This just “clicked” for me, too. I stumbled on another video where Pat was explaining this concept and I was like, “Whaaaatttt? Why didn’t I realize this YEARS ago??” The piano’s “7+5=12” symmetry versus the guitar’s “3x4=12” ( or “4x3=12” ) symmetry. Mind. Blown. 😳🤯🤷🏼♂️😆👍 25 years of playing guitar for me and there’s always more to discover. What a trip. ✌️
@kevinelliott58232 жыл бұрын
Truly amazing to have it explained like this! I’m new to playing jazz guitar and I actually understand him🤯
@m.vonhollen66732 жыл бұрын
@@gkniffen @Kevin Eliot - Picture the Augmented triad as an equilateral triangle. Take say C+ by fretting 554 on GBE. Pull any note flat? Parent a major triad. Push any note sharp? Parent a minor triad (and the relative minor, don’t forget that). - So 6 other triads from any Augmented parent. - Now picture the 4-note Diminished 7th chord as a perfect square. Fret 4545 on DGBE for a Diminished 7th chord (named for any note). Flatten any one note? Form 4 different Dominant 7th chords. Sharpen any one note? Form 4 different Half-Diminished 7th chords (mi7b5). - So that’s 8 other 7th chords parented by that one Diminished 7th chord. - - - Martino was a genius! Martino saw that those two structures, the Augmented triad and the Diminished 7th chord, were “automatic” on the guitar. Only Martino observed this, and named it “Symmetrical Parental Forms”.
@steinberger952 жыл бұрын
Ciao, ti volevo chiedere: secondo te come si possono usare queste varie forme nel improvvisazione ? Tipo sul C7#5 una scala minore armonica di A? Che la relativa minore... oh non ho capito nulla?🤦♂️ grazie in anticipo Vittorio
@m.vonhollen667311 ай бұрын
@@NGM575Anything that helps you to understand the nature of the guitar is “useful in a live setting”. Now how is up to you.
@mindjob6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pat, I forgot that jazz theory is the most fascinating thing on the face of the planet
@danielkane87833 жыл бұрын
This was such a good way of explaining. I knew the diminished/7th chord one, but had never really thought about augmented/major/minor before, embarrassed to say. Thanks, Pat!
@m.vonhollen667311 ай бұрын
(This is my second comment here because people seemed interested.) Pat Martino’s “SYMMETRICAL PARENTAL FORMS”: Both the Augmented triad (1-3-#5) and the Diminished 7th chord (1-b3-b5-bb7) are “symmetrical”; the Augmented triad is all major 3rds, and the Diminished 7th chord is all minor 3rds. Each of those “parental forms” are super-easy to find on the guitar, and they can be used to easily generate other chords. - By LOWERING any one note of any Augmented triad, you will create 3 Major triads; by RAISING any one note, you will create 3 minor triads. So that one Augmented triad can be used to find 6 other triads, 3 major triads and their 3 relative minor triads. - Now the Diminished 7th chord… by LOWERING any one note, you will create 4 different Half-Diminished 7th chords, by RAISING any one note, you will create 4 different Dominant 7th chords. So that one Diminished 7th chord can “parent” 8 other 7th chords. - This is Pat’s “symmetrical parental forms”. Every guitarist should understand this aspect of the guitar that Pat observed and explained to us. May he rest in eternal peace!
@wilsonmarksmusic7002 ай бұрын
Cogent explanation! But raising any note of a fully dim chord yields a half diminished while Lowering by half step yields dominant though eh?
@Racosz7 жыл бұрын
Respect for this guy. A knowledge of the fretboard which exceeds the humanly possible. A lot of discipline and passion in order to achieve this level.
@rjc72895 жыл бұрын
Saw him live at the Cape May Jazz Festival several years ago -- just him, bass and drums. He absolutely floored everyone! This was a very handy lesson I hope to incorporate in my playing.
@joeturnip42166 жыл бұрын
After 2 years of serious woodsheding I actually get it. Two years ago it was a mystery. Useful stuff.
@cjgreen43313 жыл бұрын
Same, every few years I check back on these Pat Martino videos and finally understand what he's saying
@asinankaya7 жыл бұрын
Can't say enough how much your videos help and inspire me with my work. God bless you.
@calichav8 жыл бұрын
This man is a genius !
@tourdesource2 жыл бұрын
My mind is utterly blown.
@labyrinthtownhouse8 жыл бұрын
Yep, just decided on my lesson materials for the next couple months. I love it.
@Hexspa4 жыл бұрын
You get through it?
@cjgreen43313 жыл бұрын
Yes, tell us how it went
@wayofwaves7 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal use of fret knowledge!
@kilterkaos14 жыл бұрын
Mama Jazz back in the 80s introduced me to Pat Martino. On the radio of course, out of Oxford Ohio.
@ThePrinceLuvr2 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace, Pat
@hothempire7 жыл бұрын
Mind. Blown.
@johnmatheson27605 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic! Thank you so much.
@vjimmers17 жыл бұрын
If I only saw this 50 years ago. Guess it never to late to learn right. Especially since it spells everything out for you that you need to know.
@williamlove98218 жыл бұрын
at the end: "therefore, all three of these sets do the same thing horizontally as well as they do vertically."
@bebertease4 жыл бұрын
Major triads repeated on minor thirds (3 frets) sound really cool too.
@j_drichmond2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I had figured out the Diminished to Dominate/Major forms on my own, but never played with the Augmented. Simplicity is also complexity.
@mikesax5 жыл бұрын
😮 Wow!! Very inspirational.
@anthonysmith-uw2lo7 ай бұрын
Wonderful .
@morgonrast8 жыл бұрын
After watching this, I feel like a little school kid again ...
@oli__lange3 жыл бұрын
i have watched several of pat martino's instructional videos. without a doubt, he is a great musician and i like his way of playing the guitar. however, i cannot understand his methodology.
@maskkottube8 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@BrianKlobyGuitar5 жыл бұрын
This is deep
@jamesgraham42425 жыл бұрын
"Dead On Arrival" off his "The Grave Digger" album.
@JonBrowning7606 жыл бұрын
Damn are those piano strings
@adolfohuet3974 Жыл бұрын
❤
@joeylodes2 жыл бұрын
RIP Pat
@TBX8195 жыл бұрын
How does Pat bring the parental forms into relation of his minor scales? Say you have A aug as Part of A7 alt. Where is the distinction made of Bb dorian minor and Bb melodic minor which would be more useful here? In Bb dorian you would have an 'ab' which does not correspondence with the note 'a' of the initial parental form. So how does Pat make the distinction of using a related dorian or melodic minor scale substitution? As far as I understand it Pat refers to the dorian mode talking about minor substitutions.
@scottfoster36432 жыл бұрын
Fantasztikus!
@vivianheo95955 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you!
@DavidMorley3 жыл бұрын
🤯 God Tier
@willb36987 жыл бұрын
ooh! Suits you, Sir.
@sin77777 Жыл бұрын
is this have some similarity with barry harris method?
@m.vonhollen667311 ай бұрын
Not really, they are different. The Barry Harris method is to add another note to a scale and then to harmonize that scale. It’s too complicated to get into in detail here but it is explained on YT by several fine teachers like: Howard Rees, Jens Larsen, and Robbie Barnby (excellent!).
@rishardlampese89477 жыл бұрын
Think of the possibilities - Now get to work!
@shayne881 Жыл бұрын
Eureka!
@MikeyBakerMusic Жыл бұрын
🤯
@TheLochs3 жыл бұрын
And?
@jackk93663 жыл бұрын
Yeah I had to repeatedly pause this in order to clean the brains splattered on the wall behind me.
@travelingman97638 жыл бұрын
What's amazing is how Tal Farlow, Wes and Herb Ellis didn't think about this lesson and most of Pat's other's .In Fact Herb said there's only one scale ..The chromatic! I know Pat has soul and that isn't bought from books or youtubes. The clones will grow in numbers as nameless and faceless creatures because they don't even like the culture of those who innovated Jazz as a dominant majority on every instrument! I have been amused at many of the almost soulless non smiling hot shots who are basically intent on proving how intelligent they are while lacking original sounds and feels! The music schools have helped destroy the genre by pushing them so to stay in business with the ignorant future hot shots!
@travelingman97638 жыл бұрын
True and in especially jazz...the b.s is very deep in clones.
@travelingman97638 жыл бұрын
DJsqueely I only debate my intellectual equals. You are very confused and no doubt can't play the music at a high level.
@travelingman97633 жыл бұрын
@Pdpmail All great music Innovators ignored many facets of Academic info! Soul obviously is difficult to learn resulting in clones!
@travelingman97633 жыл бұрын
@Pdpmail Those who are Naturals cant even read music so WTH are you implying?