Patch 11.1 Delve Changes Are MASSIVE! Gilded Crests, Brann Tank, And More | The War Within

[@darkanubiss89]

SO as a only delves player... i have never felt so engaged to wow content. I used to be a high level raider a long time ago and i just dont have the time to dedicate to raiding nor the drive to find another guild. Its nice to do something that forces me to engage with mechanics or i die. I hope delves stay around and keep improving!

[@johnj4471]

You can typically do the first few bosses in mythic raiding without a guild by now much less full clear heroic. Time isn’t the issue. If you choose not to do so, that’s fine. Don’t rely on a false premise to back it up.

[@Zeeeeete]

@@johnj4471we get it, your a high end player with a non like-able personality.

[@johnj4471]

@ nope that would be you. I’m not high end and you’re the one who seems like would be insufferable with whining so no one would invite you anywhere. But hey resort to trying to insult when you have no argument.

[@ZondaRbg]

i hate mythic raiding but like people say, last 2 month i kill with pugs first 4 mythic bosses they are super easy, ofc leaders inv only 630ilv+ but always for 1 hour u can clear them.

[@BreakingRadOfficial]

@@ZeeeeeteI agree he’s insufferable but he says he’s not a high end player and I tend to agree. Anyone who has engaged with top tier content knows it’s a second job. He’s just a douche bag trolling comments.

[@Ghstface1222]

I honestly came back to wow cause of delves. I would get lucky if i could play 3 hours in a single sitting so having delves as an option for end game gearing was a pleasent addition for me.

[@Holykraut]

And thats the thing being debated in this comments section. Delves are a supplement for gearing, not a main track.

[@Ghstface1222]

@Holykraut While I understand where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. There shouldn't be a main track. There should just be: how players wish to play. The standing argument is why would non raider/M+ players need end game gear. Tbh what player, regardless of how they play, wouldn't want end game gear. That's just the nature of the game itself. Delves could be made harder and should only be soloable rather then group. Blizz shouldn't have added a group option.

[@gregdennis3523]

One upgrade a week seems low. Especially how challenging tier 11 delves are.

[@johnj4471]

They aren’t? And it’s not low. That’s on top of other rewards much less the fact that if you’re getting them early you’re likely not using them. 4 weeks to get a guaranteed mythic crafted item for solo content isn’t slow.

[@stygiansagas]

​@@johnj4471It delights me to see lightswitch-brained parasites like you filling up a comment section with reply after reply, impotently seething over the skill you think you have in the escapist mmo we all play. Keep it up, lil guy!

[@sts3118]

@gregdennis3523, i bet its weekly cap of 18 and its increasing each week like other crest. If thats the case, by the time you need gilded crest to upgrade you most likely have a decent amount of cap to farm.

[@JeanBaptisteIrvin]

As a solo player I would really like them to up the amount of crest in delves even for the runes version it takes for ever to try and gear past a certain point in delves.

[@johnj4471]

You can do 4 delves in the time it takes to find a group finder group and do a m+ while also not having to worry about individualism. They don’t need to increase it without increasing difficulty or length or both.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

@@johnj4471if only they made choices based on things being fun instead of what is the most optimal or time efficient to play… WOW communities brains are broken.

[@johnj4471]

@ yeah your brain is broken as you have no concept of rewards in games

[@JesperAndrez]

​@@johnj4471I've seen you comment only negative stuff to people. Stop hating the player, hate the game.

[@johnj4471]

@ only one commenting negative stuff is you. It’s weird that when I make a comment about the game the players like you suddenly take that as an attack. So here is an attack: go back to your hole you crawled out of and stop attacking people.

[@williamtul11]

I like doing delves over raiding or Mythic+, it is less drama and less of a time commitment for me. So for me personally being able to upgrade my gear without having to do those two things works really well for me.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

Aka - it’s fun! Many wow players seem to miss this when they compare it to m+ and high end raiding. Too many people only focused on the optimal way to get gear that people rarely have fun along the way

[@williamtul11]

@Sas-ym4gg Yeah, I enjoy being able to do content solo and not feel left behind when it comes to gear. Personally I think delves are infinity more fun then M+ or raiding.

[@stonedruid]

Putting a cap on delves while m+ remains uncapped is the problem

[@chessiecat7860]

Nobody would ever do mythic+ again if you could just mindlessly get all your gear in delves

[@adamtatusko]

Mythic+ is not uncapped, at least not for the first 12+ weeks of the season.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

@@chessiecat7860sounds like a problem with m+ and not delves.

[@mcshamkraken4448]

Does brann level start over?

[@JesperAndrez]

​@@chessiecat7860Doesnt that say a whole lot about the M+ community though?

[@nicholasberryman5858]

It feels like the first two minutes was just constantly repeating the same 15-20 seconds of basic information. I just stopped watching at that point.

[@WladcaPodziemia]

And once again, Blizz almost made good change, but then had to add something to make it not as good... It is still impressive how Blizz cant figure out why ppl are not doing group content and just dangle damn carrot...

[@chessiecat7860]

More people are doing group content in this MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then you think. Go play a single player game.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

Their company is run on manipulative tactics. It’s their mindset and it trickles into the game. No fun. Only optimization into maximizing time spent. Only carrots no genuine adventure.

[@Mystical_Goddess]

I thought Delves were a way for us SOLO Andies to actually play the game, I don't group up ever. I love Delves, I don't want them trying to push me into group content.

[@chessiecat7860]

Ok then why do you feel the need to grind mythic gear then? Mythic gear is just a number increase so people who like MYTHIC + and MYTHIC raiding can progress them easier. You can do your delves just fine in heroic gear.

[@Mystical_Goddess]

@@chessiecat7860 oh I don't. I was just saying I dont want them to change it so i cant get good enough gear to keep farming higher delves.

[@JesperAndrez]

​@@chessiecat7860Yeah cause god forbid you want to see higher dps as a solo player. What a silly take.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

as a Delves only player (also do TW and LFR/LFG Heroic.) the limit to 18 Gilded per week is unnecessary, you get twice the amount of Crests from a single Timed Key than you get from a Delve. not to mention 11s are not easy for non-meta specs. sure, you can turn in Runed Crests once you hit 619, but for a SINGLE Crafted Myth piece of gear, it will take you 2 weeks at the least to get enough Crests. this may sound acceptable for one who doesnt play Alts, but for those that do, it means that you cant even hardly work on Alts, and in an Alt-Friendly Expansion, it really stands out as the most counter-productive thing Blizzard has ever implemented. and they choose to do that over making M+ better as a whole, let THAT sink in.

[@SillyOne90]

yep agree, 30 should of been the minimum. Blizzard just doesnt care unless its Mythic +

[@johnj4471]

Then do the key? Oh wait you can’t and you’re proving why there’s the cap.

[@siakhoj5970]

Dev takes 4-4mins , while doing higher key , you might need to have multiple attempts (not even timing , just finishing ) so each dungeon should give almost 40-50 times of them amount dev does .

[@Malathrom]

@@siakhoj5970 delves dont take 4 min lol especially in the higher difficulties

[@satyrsak]

Tiers above 8 are NOT worth the fustration!

[@PainCheeZe]

I hope Blizz is listening. The people have spoken, if we want to farm Delves instead of Mythics, we shouldn't be punished. Bye bye M+ PuGs and good riddance 👋 🥳

[@spunkin49]

Delver opinion: The big + is that you are now able to do the full endgame gearing to max ilvl as a delver, this is a great change. I, as well as others in the comments, have been doing pretty much only delves as the main progression content so far. For me personally, I just haven't had the desire to commit to the raid schedule and or m+ schedule, and i HATE pugging with passion, so delves give the most amount of freedom which has been very pleasant. However, the biggest issue of delves currently is that you cannot go to the max ilvl, you have no choice but to eventually go into another form of content in order to max out the ilvl. This is in tandem with the problem that you cannot fully complete delves on its own due to the later difficulties requiring hiring ilvl than what is possible to achieve in delves alone, so this is good that they are fixing this problem. gear is the main form of progression once leveling is done, so being able to get max ilvl from multiple sources is a good thing in my eyes. This works well in pretty much all the other major mmos too (ff14, ESO, gw2) so im glad that WoW is "catching up" in this regard. I think that being able to get max ilvl from a lot of different sources will make the game better overall. No it wont "devalue" the raid and or m+ progression, because raiding is fun in its own way, and m+ is also fun in its own way, but these other forms of content also have achievements specific to the content. I think it would be "devaluing" to get AOTC from doing delves, but ILVL is a completely different thing. Notice I say ilvl and not gear. You cannot get raid gear unless you do a raid, or m+ gear without doing m+, so nothing in my mind is being "devalued", its really just ilvl that is being opened up. And on this note, I think they need to pull the plug and allow you to get a full set of max ilvl gear from crafting, and also make the outdoor gathering way more engaging. This way you have an endgame progression path for engaging with THE WORLD. Anyways, whats the - for this? the weird max gilded crest per week thing. This is dumb, and is just a small attempt at blizzard trying to get delve players into the other content. I don't think this is good, there should be NO CAP. Blizz should simply embrace delves for what they are: solo or very small group dungeon-like content that allows you to get to the max ilvl just like raids, dungeons, and pvp, Delves are a fantastic addition, and im glad to see that they are actively trying to make it better, but they definitely should drop the weird rules and just be cool and open about it. It'll go a long way.

[@ReedLovesBiscuits]

I think the reason they struggle with opening the floodgates to Delves is because it takes the game in a non-MMO direction and turns end game into a single player game. WoW was designed to be a community driven game that’s made fun because of the player interaction inside of its shared world. Classic numbers show the appreciation for this type of gameplay. Over the years WoW and many games in this space have gotten away from that. You don’t even talk in retail 90% of the time unless you’re bitching at each other for not timing a key. And now they have content that lets you get max gear without even thinking of typing a message to another player? Idk. I like the thought of them because I have less time to play these days and end game gear without a guild sounds sick. I enjoyed it in season 1 until the cap like most did. But there’s still a big part of me that worries Delves and so many other features of today’s WoW kill the actual fun of the game. How about instead of raising the pillar to solo play and pushing more and more players away from community, we make Mythic Dungeons, Raids, and any other group content more easily accessible. Scale things back. Make dungeons and raids easier instead of the epilepsy inducing mess that they are now so more casual people can still enjoy the content that made WoW amazing.

[@JesperAndrez]

​@@ReedLovesBiscuitsIf they would make M+ dungeons without timer it would draw more players to them. The reason people are toxic in M+ is because people brick Keys cause of said timer.

[@ReedLovesBiscuits]

@@JesperAndrez I agree. And it sounds like blizzard is at least thinking about it

[@LordProteus]

Delves should not be just one identical room with a different rotating mob/objective configuration, they should have been like Torghast(yes you heard) where there are randomly and proceduraly generated floors you must travel between to reach the end, making sure it doesn't get too boring by allowing a much more varied configuration of rooms, Enemies, traps and objectives. In-fact, bring back an updated Torghast as a ever-updating activity and plot device and open ended means for Blizzard to bring back dead characters if need be. Have Ner'zul take control of it as he tries to bring back various characters to help fight whatever threat is coming. Arthas, Kel'Thuzad, Anub'arak, Teron Gor, Zuluhed the Whacked and Gul'dan now comprised of both timeline versions of him merged into one by Ner'zul, would be a welcome sight as Ner'zul becomes the new Neutral Scourge.

[@goblinsnacks4047]

I think that Blizz always starts with rewards geared too low and then adjust up. It makes sense in practice, because any nerf to rewards would go over extremely badly, but always leaves us underwhelmed during the initial roll-out period.

[@gohomehero]

Feel like they are testing tinker stuff with brann. I really hope tinker shows up this xpac.

[@mickeyhavoc939]

I kinda want one more NPC teammate when doing delves. I wouldn't say I need it, but I would definitely like to fill out a delve party with one tank, one DPS and one healer.

[@barrelracer318]

Im happy about the crests being able to come from delves soon, but not soo much about the weekly limit... I should have the option of how much I would like to solo to progress. It kind of sucks that they are still trying to puch people into teaming up when the people are so toxic to each other all the time. I ran a raid with my guild a few nights ago. All the pugs we invited were all noted it was a fun and training raid to help newer raid runners learn the content. Every single pug player, agreed they understood it would not go smoothly, and it did not. Each, with the exception of one player, got nasty with us and bailed after one or two wipes. This is the main reason why I like to run with the guild, we replaced the crybaby and kept moving on. It is also why I love delves. I can progress without having to worry about others when I dont want to worry about dealing with others, except for when I want to deal with others. It is also why I love follower dungeons, except finding out the follower versions seem gimped compare to running with a group. I am ok with the content being a bit difficult, but it shouldnt go back to an outright grind again. A bit of a grind is fine, but a slogh to just progress, if you dont have dedicated time to group, is just not a great feeling. Especially when you keep nerfing the classes to being just tiring to try and relearn and or becoming unwanting to be played.

[@aardvarkscanfly]

Sounds like Tank Brann would synergize well with self-healing dps, Boomkin, Ret Pally, WW, DK dps, and Havoc, Spriest... heck, even Hunter & Warlock. Really, just not Mages.

[@Harggos]

Tank Bran will be a beast. I usually run as a healer. I wonder how hard 11’s will be with him.

[@stormstrider1990]

Tank Brann will be especially helpful for my mages and priests, as they're squichy cloth wearers with no tanking pets.

[@HeatherMajors]

You hit it right on the point; group content can be so toxic, especially for a casual player who is not worried about min/maxing, raid scores, etc. I would like to see a more consistent way to get guilded crests since no matter what you are not going to get me back into group content right now. That being said, getting 18 per week is better than the zero we get now. Maybe Bliz can split the difference and have the cap higher for delves but not as high as if you do group content too. Like maybe half. If 90 is the cap, let us get 45 from Delves.

[@chessiecat7860]

lol if your not worried about min/maxxing why do you even want mythic gear? It’s just a number increase that is used to do MYTHIC content.

[@HeatherMajors]

@@chessiecat7860 because it is something to do. It is the completionist in me that wants the 8/8 or 6/6 to be done.

[@benjaminbryantiii3807]

I hate how toxic it is. I remember back in the day we use to help each other with class(lock thing I forgot what it was) quests and such. Bored 60's use to state in trade a instance they was going to ream and take appropriate level folks there to let them leach xp and get gear. Most times for free or for a certain item if it dropped.

[@HeatherMajors]

@@benjaminbryantiii3807 The lock thing was probably those hard quests to get the different pets or mount. I remember there was one under Stormwind in the Mage district that was hard.

[@Hirsbrochannel]

Cant compleat t11 at 620 solo Im not a bad player nor a "pro" more average ish can get to the bosses just then I simply cant stay alive with branns "poor" helaing too many times where the potions are not there or he dumps them in fire

[@HeatherMajors]

This is me as well on my mage. She is just fine getting to the boss, but then it all falls apart, especially with some of the nonavoidable damage. Several of the bosses do area-wide damage that cannot be interrupted, and no matter how far you are from the boss, it hits like a truck. It seems crazy that even at 620, the AOE damage still takes half my health, just like it did at 590 gear.

[@JesperAndrez]

I had to swap to brewmaster to conplete a T11 delve. WW was getting 1 shot by basic attacks, and yes, brann is a dck putting those potions in a puddle of goo

[@chrisgunther109]

Either Mythic raid should be the only way to get mythic level gear, or they need something other than M+ that you can farm out. Forcing everyone into M+ to get above 619 SUCKS.

[@JesperAndrez]

People who say its unfair to give solo players high end gear is the people forcing themselves to do M+ for said gear. I like Delves and it makes wow much less toxic.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

Blizz: always afraid of people having fun.

[@chrisgunther109]

Are you actually getting locked out at 3, or is it going to be like now, where you need keys and only the first three chests per week give them to you?

[@vbrook1259]

What I haven't seen anywhere is if we will be getting a new coffer key currency or if we can use the coffer keys from season 1.

[@adamtatusko]

What does he say in his introductory greeting? Even if I slow it down to 0.5 speed, I can't understand it.

[@Slamdoxicalz]

Hello guys, how is it going, my name is Dal and with all the previews for the patch 11.1 I think it’s safe to say it might be one biggest, if not one of the most content filled, update of the war within expansion …that part?

[@adamtatusko]

@@Slamdoxicalz I, for the life of me, can't hear "Hello guys, how is it going?"

[@LantonSL]

At last can do delves as healer, no need to change spec anymore 👍🏽😸

[@drid2507]

What about a limit of 30? That means 5 delves. Giving you 2 upgrades a week?

[@ShadowKingRecks]

I just got back after being away for about two and a half years, and all my friends stopped playing. Finding a guild had been a nightmare for me as I am no longer a hard-core raider, so delves are perfect for me. I would like to find a casual guild that still does at least heroic but till then Delves are amazing and should give us solo players the ability to also gear better than what it is, Id like to see it at least match heroic raid gear at the highest level so we can still jump into anything and have fun unlike now where you have to fight tooth and nail for just scraps.

[@adamtatusko]

What will Brann's new max level be in 11.1.0? Will he be reset to level 1 upon Patch launch?

[@Spiritt_Daphiti]

Ahhh , WTF* ! Cmon even hardest 11+. Delves for solo players, you need 2-3 hours for solo Dps and even then better be really in need of fuking different items gear ! and just an upgrade a piece of chance for new beter gear ! Solo players just don't have the time anymore to spam fuking (nerfed like +10 Underkeep delve is like +8 Mythic so called Pushers/Keys*Pros . For 14-35 min and they complained to nerf easy Delves** Pfff !! We are happy to even got Zekvir spawning +10 for fu*king* 3 guilded crests per Week. Im lucky to have 623 ilvl Full Delves gear for whole season but +11 need min 626 Mythic track. To survive in Solo ! Thanks for the video aye" 😄 but Very bad before new year 🕛!🎉🎉🎉 So sad. GG!

[@k.kirilov]

Can you please put time stamps

[@Msaber2012]

02:30 which class and trinkets? I thought they were all mid

[@johnj4471]

There’s a few. The trinket that creates candle pets sims very well and any class that can improve movement speed can work well with the momentum trinket. Are they bis? No. A/B tier? Definitely. C/D tier is mid not A/B. I think people seem to think “not bis” means not still great.

[@zhazol]

None of the trinkets that come from delves are BIS and as of now will never be, so I don't know what this dude is smoking to say that. Some are pretty good while others are lacking and are just ILVL fillers, for example Candle Confidant is a pretty good trinket for mages while for warlock is just there as a filler till you get something at a higher ILVL. The Shadow-binding ritual knife is good for both frost and unholy DK, sub and assassin rogues. Say for example there is only 15 trinkets that drop from delves I would say 3-5 are good while the rest are there to raise ILVL.

[@Msaber2012]

@@zhazol Thank you, these are my thoughts exactly and to add to it the Candle trinket kinda sucks because you have to get close enough to get them in combat sometimes, and the Dagger, i use on my balance druid and i swear it procs way too often that i don't know if the permanent stat increase is worth losing 5% of any stat,

[@Dreamlink91]

Jesus man talk more slowly, holy shit.

[@Holykraut]

If a player doesnt want to run dungeons, raids or pvp. Content, then that player doesnt want to play World of Warcraft. The MMO (the second M means multiplayer) that defined the modern definition of the genre. With the sheer amount of cross realm, cross faction and group finding power retail wow has, the only excuse for not completing end game group content is lack of desire. LFR isn't that great of an experience, but normal level runs take less than 20 minutes to join and are not penalized time sinks like mythic dungeons. Join a raid, take on a couple of bosses, give thanks for the run, glhf, and exit the game is very acceptable behavior when pugging for raids. I think a majority of the player base begging for more rewards from delves are not players that "only play delves" "dont have time for raids or mythics", but are rather the actual 10+ mythic and heroic+ raiders that are looking for an easier time famring crests for their upgrades. I did it in season one: after my weekly heroic and mythic prog runs, maxing out the raid track gilded crests, and if my mythic team wasn't online, I would crush as many bountiful delves as I could in search of maps for the few gilded crests it would yield. Limiting gilded crests to a weekly cap is a good idea, especially since blizz has already made crest transmutation significantly cheaper.

[@MianMianGaming]

what about the bountiful chest keys？

[@shadowviruz]

All I need is a mute button for Brann. I cannot stress how done I am with hearing male Dwarf speech patterns. MAKE IT STOP!!

[@vbrook1259]

I've got you. Get two addons: MuteSoundFile and Leatrix Sounds. In Leatrix Sounds, search the name of Brann, and you will get a list of sound files. The two things you want to look out for are vo_1100_brann_bronzebeard Then you just go through with the MuteSoundFile addon open. I found the sound file for "Those webs'll summon Nerubians! Don't Stand in them!" You find the file, and you need the number, which will be found at the end of the name of the sound file, which in this case is #5768825 It takes a bit, but you'll find what you need with Brann pretty easy. I downloaded the addon cause I got tired of Ashvane in Siege of Boralus; her voicelines would play multiple times in a row in the same instance and I couldn't take it anymore.

[@PainCheeZe]

For Khaz Modan!

[@shadowviruz]

@@PainCheeZe please no

[@ed6852]

You what they should’ve done instead of delves? They should have added unique mechanics to the end boss of every quest line in each zone and added difficulties like they had with delves.

[@joshmcrae5646]

i mean delves are not in any way for end game its good for the first few weeks with hero track M+ and raiding is more of the endgame prog for gearing imo

[@therightperspective8690]

Can you get myth gear or not? If not they're still just a noob level gearing option.

[@atwater_209]

We need gnome shaman 😢

[@myrthevanbeest]

Nahh vulpera or goblin druid Or at least any small druid

[@jamesmcmurray-v3s]

Cancelled subscription toy sgitholes destroyed that game

[@darthraider7935]

See I disagree with how it "should be equal to mythics and raiding" when its obviously not. I can solo 8s quite easily on now 6 characters yet find higher mythic pluses and harder level raids much, much harder. Therefore the reward should be better, effort equals reward and such. Also, IF all you do is delves why are you worried that your gear isn't as high as someone that does high end mythic pluses or mythic raiding. You never set foot in there so you're at the proper ilvl and power level needed to do what is your end game content. This constant gripe that players should all be equal and have just as high ilvls and such when they don't do equal tasks is just stupid....... (btw... I don't mythic raid and haven't done any high end keys, so saying i'm a elitist or any other crap like that doesn't make sense as a argument)

[@PainCheeZe]

Tier 11 Delves are harder than M+10s with or without a group...