Patch review 0.8.2.4 - Crawler and Wraith nerfs (Mechabellum Patch Notes)

[@cubandarknez]

Fortress getting 2 tapped holy... All praise our melting point leaders.

[@SurreyEZ]

very sad!

[@SurreyEZ]

still no badger nerf !

[@lordfantas_]

nerf napalm!

[@oioioipoloi]

no oil coalition!

[@SurreyEZ]

@@oioioipoloi have you seen the oil song?

[@mrtoestie2707]

Improved Sandworms are really strong. Only had one game using them so far, but they were 100% my main win condition in that game.

[@SurreyEZ]

nice! seemed pretty good with the splash + attack buff

[@alias9932]

The crawler nerf also means lv2 crawler are one shot by level 1 sledges

[@ipecacrc9883]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Surrey!

[@dominikkross6130]

Larvae got an Attack DECREASE, not an increase. You said increase in the video, but I guess they tried to make them survive longer while not making them OP by nerfing atk.

[@SurreyEZ]

oh, right. I just assumed they buffed them heavily since they were useless

[@sneakydragon2352]

It's a buff, it's less attack per damage, but more DPS. Lets take 10 seconds for example: 10/2.5 (seconds) = 4 attacks in 10 seconds 4 * 1244 = 4976 DPS 10/2 (seconds) = 5 attacks in 10 seconds 5 * 1027 = 5135 DPS So it's a buff EDIT: it's not a 21% buff though, like you said in the video

[@dominikkross6130]

@@sneakydragon2352 Yes its a buff, not what i was talking about. All good though

[@greuju]

​@@dominikkross6130you obviously just misunderstood. No idea why you're acting like you're correct. Your statement is attack went down hp went up. The change is, DPS up, hp up. 😂

[@dominikkross6130]

@@greuju I am talking about the WORDING of Surrey. The text literally states it DECREASES ATTACK, but Surrey read it as increases attack. I know its a dps buff, just wanted to tell him the reading mistake. I was never talking about the change itself, thats why I agree with the other poster.

[@Kepals8766]

They should have increased the price of anti air barrage for fortress, it’s so strong. But I guess with the fortress hp nerf they wanted to reduce the cases for melting point so fortress can be countered in more ways and at the same time lower melting point hp

[@SurreyEZ]

It's strong yea but wf is a big counter. And i feel like phoenix or even wasp would be too strong if it is nerfed

[@greuju]

It's not that strong if you do it right. To beat fort aa you just have to take a tower down with shield wasps and wraith with degen or HP. You can't rely on overlords 3 packs of wasps can kill a fortress without losing too much especially with speed spec or temp speed.

[@Lotusdreams]

I think the scorps will also get better in the meta, just like the wraith. They beat the sledges and other medium units, even fortress if this continues but I pray for badgers every game or I will get swarmed by crawlers at the same time and they become useless

[@SurreyEZ]

yea scorpions might become good

[@RationalOrc]

I feel like the Fortress and the Melting point should swap attack ranges (fortress from 100 to 115 and MP from 115 to 100). I think the fortress should be the bigger marksmen unit

[@SurreyEZ]

fort is the tank, melter is the sniper !

[@joeyanderson2612]

Hovering around 1500 mmr. Feel like there is still so much I dont understand about the game lol. Thanks for the breakdown.

[@SurreyEZ]

its a very complex game and during the early access, it changes quite rapidly. Can one truly even learn it?

[@Most_hated_dork]

The Phoenix jump drive nerf makes no sense

[@rickyismyuncle4485]

I dont see crawlers that dominant around 1.1k elo. What do you guys do at the top? Do you commit more into crawlers like leveling them and what perks do you pick? I often just pick one perk, either replicate or that speed buff/dmg absorption. I ask because I never level my chaff.

[@SurreyEZ]

every game just devolved into wraith mirror so no one can utilize crawlers

[@EssDubz]

You said the only thing that counters crawlers is wraiths but it feels like every board just gets a ton of fire badgers for free and they incinerate crawlers. When you say sledges are good do you mean sledges you level up and get techs on or the kind of sledges that you just have a bunch of lvl 1 and they act as chaff clear mostly

[@SurreyEZ]

yea fire badgers are very op, but you cant unlock them. Well sledges at the start are very strong and sometimes they instantly level and you will win many rounds in a row. How the unit drops work is that they are a comeback mechanic to the board. So what happens is that the enemy is bleeding health every round and needs to unlock a big counter to the sledges and then you will get the counters counter for free. How to use the sledges differ from board to board. Sometimes you sell them when the counter comes, sometimes you use them as chaff clear. I don't think like highly teched and leveled sledges are good but theres certainly boards for that as well. Especially with the extended range card

[@fredrik-c]

When you say sledges will be strong, is that just because of the Fort nerf or am I missing something?

[@SurreyEZ]

Sledges have been very strong after the crawler buff i think. Fort was a big counter for them and war factory was even bigger. They are a very strong tempo unit in the early game and the free units heavily favor tempo plays. When giants get weaker the sledges will shine

[@emdeo]

does the crawler change do anything? most units one shot them already, but a lot of shots miss. HP change does nothing except against maybe fangs?

[@SurreyEZ]

i think now sledges one shot lev2 crawlers and cost control arclights one shot crawlers. also mustangs and vulcan and fire etc. clear a lot faster and its a big nerf to leveled crawlers overall

[@zigzera7757]

I don’t think melters should have access to emp personally especially aoe emp

[@SurreyEZ]

maybe, hard to say. Its a very strong technology thats for sure. Probably the best one in the entire game

[@brent-z3l]

was there a time when they did not have card to chose from?

[@SurreyEZ]

no, always had cards, but free units were an addition

[@brent-z3l]

@@SurreyEZ imma low mmr 1v1 (1100-1200) player, just started playing a month ago, and i can say i don't care much for the free units. Things like the Typhoon, Fire badgers and so on should be put in for purchase , damn that would almost make it a new game......

[@IndustrialisedMeditation]

Don't arclights farm crawlers? I always feel bad promoting crawlers into arclights because you're just feeding them so much exp.

[@SurreyEZ]

yes but after the charged shot nerf the arclight is not covering enough enemy board types and can be abused a lot I feel like

[@someaussiebloke4487]

Sledge op..? Not sure bou that

[@TheManyVoicesVA]

They hold the line soooo well. It's between them and balls for tough line units. Idk which is better tbh. Balls have shorter range which makes them.better imo. They are also less vulnerable to AOE. But hammers have an extra body so they are way tougher vs single target.

[@SurreyEZ]

the high mmr ladder already full of sledge massers, took 5 days for them to figure it out though

[@GFlow111]

Don't know how you can casually say sledge op... as far as I can see, it can be good in some situations, mostly aggro. Definitely NOT generally OP

[@SurreyEZ]

it's a very strong starting unit that will win all early rounds. Then it is kept in check by fortress, factory and crawler. It's a very thin line with the current/maybe coming nerfs

[@benjiro8793]

The only thing that can kill Crawlers is wraiht and sledge? Man has never hear of Vulcans (+ incendiary rockets) or Storms + Fire ... Not a lot you can do about it, and you are forced to go Factory or Sabertooth interceptor route (what a opponent can anticipate and ...) ... And Vulcan + incendiary is extra nasty because they tend to work at short range also, and overwhelm the 100 credit interceptors easily. Or the oil + vulcan combo... or the oil + firestorm or vulcan + oil or firestorm by itself or ... Killing small units is darn easy, maybe its different in the 1200~1400 MMR vs 2000+ MMR games. If you said Mustangs, sure, as they combine with range, can stay active / alive much more thanks to the range. And with upgrades tend to survive crossing fires much more easily. In general, small units like crawlers are chaff, things to keep your enemy from targeting your real damage dealers. They tend to not be the winning combo in the lower levels, even with staggered chaff. Fires simply burn too darn long, and their are a dozen different ways for you to get fires going (and in specific locations like oil/etc or optimal sacrifice units). In general, its my opinion that chaff is too darn weak against fire and that they last too long. Less health Crawler, is even more weaker vs fire.

[@sneakydragon2352]

as soon as enemy's fielding and upgrading their crawlers, i just drop 1 or 2 vulcans and the crawler problem is gone. Crawlers are unviable currently for late-game as a way to do damage or stall because they're so hard-countered by vulcan or any type of fire unit, at least with fangs you can slap ignite and do a tiny bit of damage and stall (because of range). I understand that crawlers shouldn't be a carry, but then why bother upgrading them at all, just makes the whole unit redundant

[@greuju]

Are you above 1400 mmr? If not you have no idea what the game is. I have neeeeever lost to Vulcans with my crawler/ball/wraith push. Vulcans don't work. Badgers do. Arclights with sledge chaff works when done right. And if you're going storms against ball crawl you basically can't win. Once you have balls coming from 5 directions and 2 waves of them storms don't matter. Sub blitz photon, temp speed. Literally Vulcans just die unless they have multiple items

[@greuju]

​@@sneakydragon2352same to you. Vulcans currently lose to crawlers if the crawlers were used properly in the previous patch.

[@Anzeljaeg]

Ya kinda "good" patch , because we know if they pull the strings too much , everything might fall in pieces

[@greuju]

Buddy they introduced the chaos patch. I don't think that's a thought for them