Paterson Primes (with 3Blue1Brown) - Numberphile

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@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
Part 2 is at: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKTNpH-tjreKbtE --- And Grant's own false pattern video at: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmaUhmhrbM9pfqc
@unbelievable961
@unbelievable961 2 жыл бұрын
Sir could you please tell me how and from where I can learn to code a program to check any conjecture or check any pattern in my laptop just like you...∞
@Einyen
@Einyen 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The factor 11 does not appear in your list, the first one is for prime: 9011 which is 2030303 = 11 * 379 * 487 in base 4. The factor 101 does not appear until prime 16992067 which is 1000310131003 = 79 * 101 * 125367857 in base 4.
@TheSummoner
@TheSummoner 2 жыл бұрын
Part 3 when? 🥹
@arronviolin
@arronviolin Жыл бұрын
.. can you just release the unedited video of part 3..?
@eyflfla
@eyflfla 2 жыл бұрын
Patrick Paterson and his patented primes were a Parker precursor. He gave it a go, and got pretty close.
@TechSY730
@TechSY730 2 жыл бұрын
The scam bot got one thing right, that @elflfa does deserve congratulations for this comment. 😆 👍
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
"Parker" and "Paterson" both start with "Pa." I conjecture that there is a connection between the two.
@PrimalBeard
@PrimalBeard 2 жыл бұрын
I read this in Parker's voice
@gogl0l386
@gogl0l386 Жыл бұрын
So Matt even Parker Squared, making the concept of a Parker Square. Poor guy it never ends.
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 10 ай бұрын
??.
@maltezachariassen7496
@maltezachariassen7496 2 жыл бұрын
I will never not be amazed by Grant's seemingly natural understanding of complex patterns in mathematics. And it helps that he is able to calmly and precisely explain it.
@CoyMcBob
@CoyMcBob 2 жыл бұрын
What seems natural on video likely took a lot of understanding off camera.
@bsharpmajorscale
@bsharpmajorscale 2 жыл бұрын
His intuition of derivative products and vice versa was a game changer for me.
@motherisape
@motherisape 2 жыл бұрын
That's same for every mathematician
@motherisape
@motherisape 2 жыл бұрын
@@pomelo9518 they both are same specie
@aceman0000099
@aceman0000099 2 жыл бұрын
Emphasis on calmly
@steveb1243
@steveb1243 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see the word "prime" or the name "3blue1brown" in a Numberphile video, I feel the urge to watch immediately, so I dropped everything for this one. The traffic behind me can wait until I'm done.
@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
ha ha
@Baldhu1
@Baldhu1 2 жыл бұрын
criminally underrated comment
@zzz1001ww
@zzz1001ww 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple guy, I see 'prime', '3blue1brown' and 'Numberphile', I click :)
@ahmedyawar31
@ahmedyawar31 2 жыл бұрын
Bro I am waiting behind you 🙁
@yeet3673
@yeet3673 2 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedyawar31 lol
@andrewharrison8436
@andrewharrison8436 2 жыл бұрын
1) If you don't generate the hypothesis then you have no chance of getting a theorem. 2) When you test a hypothesis you will get a deeper understanding. Even while disproving it. 3) and it's fun. Thumbs up to all concerned.
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Just the proof that the process generates numbers which are not multiples of 2, 3 or 5 is interesting enough in its own right!
@zeevkeane6280
@zeevkeane6280 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, follow the null hypothesis to the end, you will learn, no matter what. That's what science is truly about.
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 10 ай бұрын
??.
@edwardberryman9113
@edwardberryman9113 2 жыл бұрын
I love that as an aside Grant explained the rule for finding if a number is divisible by 3 or 9. I've been using that fact for almost two decades and had never thought to ask why it was true.
@Hepad_
@Hepad_ 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me think of my 10 years old self, so proud of discovering that the hypothenuse of a 3 and 4 units sided right triangle is 5, and that it works for 6,8 and 10 too.
@word6344
@word6344 Жыл бұрын
I remember being so proud of myself for finding out that it works for 30, 40, 50, as well as 300, 400, and 500, and 60, 80, 100 and 600, 800, 1000
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 2 жыл бұрын
None of the Paterson composite numbers shown in the video are divisible by 11. For those wondering, the first one is 9,011 -> 2,030,303 = 11 × 379 × 487.
@ChristopheSmet123321
@ChristopheSmet123321 2 жыл бұрын
Also, no coincidence that it lasts that long: divisibility by 11 in base 10 can be checked by looking at the alternating sum of the digits. The same happens for divisibility by 5 in base 4. So if the alternating sum in base 10 is zero, then the starting number was divisible by 5. As an example, 231 in base 10 is an 11-fold since 2-3+1=0, in base 4 the number is 32+12+1=45, a 5-fold. So this Paterson method can only give an 11-fold if the alternating sum is an 11-fold, but non-zero. Which takes a while, if you can only use 0, 1, 2 and 3.
@jkid1134
@jkid1134 2 жыл бұрын
I was absolutely wondering :) I was also wondering if there's a largest Patterson prime, but I suppose no one knows that
@beningram1811
@beningram1811 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkid1134 I imagine it's very likely that there is no largest Patterson prime. My reasoning is that there's no largest prime, and of those infinitely many primes, some, in base 4, would probably result in a larger prime. Then again, i was surprised by how low a quantity of the first 1000 primes churned out a Patterson prime, so maybe it does continue dwindling.
@mirador698
@mirador698 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkid1134 I assume that there are infinitely many Paterson primes.
@aditya95sriram
@aditya95sriram 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kind stranger :)
@Astromath
@Astromath 2 жыл бұрын
Some questions that come to mind: - Are there infinitely many "Paterson primes"? (I do think so but can't think of a straightforward way of proving it rn) - How exactly does the ratio between "Paterson primes" and "non-Paterson primes" behave for larger and larger numbers? - Is there a longest consecutive run of "Paterson primes"? So, could it theoretically be all "Paterson primes" after a certain number? If so, from what number on is that? If not (which is probably more likely), what's the longest consecutive run of "Paterson primes" we know of?
@tempestaspraefert
@tempestaspraefert 2 жыл бұрын
This is some numerical data on the distribution: ("primes below n as input", "number of input primes", "number of output primes", "ratio") 2 0 0 0 4 2 2 1.00000000000000 8 4 4 1.00000000000000 16 6 6 1.00000000000000 32 11 10 0.909090909090909 64 18 15 0.833333333333333 128 31 24 0.774193548387097 256 54 38 0.703703703703704 512 97 58 0.597938144329897 1024 172 97 0.563953488372093 2048 309 157 0.508090614886731 4096 564 244 0.432624113475177 8192 1028 392 0.381322957198444 16384 1900 633 0.333157894736842 32768 3512 1049 0.298690205011390 65536 6542 1788 0.273310914093549 131072 12251 3048 0.248796016651702 262144 23000 5375 0.233695652173913 524288 43390 9506 0.219082737958055 1048576 82025 16920 0.206278573605608 2097152 155611 30351 0.195044052155696 4194304 295947 54939 0.185637968960658 8388608 564163 99811 0.176918727389070 16777216 1077871 182365 0.169190005111929 33554432 2063689 330601 0.160199041619159 67108864 3957809 601667 0.152020221289102 134217728 7603553 1102217 0.144960783465309 268435456 14630843 2035882 0.139150013433949 536870912 28192750 3763838 0.133503755398108
@want-diversecontent3887
@want-diversecontent3887 2 жыл бұрын
I tested all primes between 2 and 100000, and the ratio just seems to keep decreasing. It ended at about 0.3481377, but it doesn't seem like it has a reason to stop there.
@renyhp
@renyhp 2 жыл бұрын
I also started thinking similar questions! Commenting to follow this thread
@want-diversecontent3887
@want-diversecontent3887 2 жыл бұрын
I am testing up to a million now, and it has already dropped to about 0.299
@Astromath
@Astromath 2 жыл бұрын
@@want-diversecontent3887 Did you try plotting the ratio?
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
I'm jealous of Grant for having had friends like that in high school, who could just talk about nerdy math stuff. That's the coolest kind of kid.
@jamesimmo
@jamesimmo 2 жыл бұрын
That ending (the first 1,000 primes checked) was therapeutic (although it almost felt like Patrick’s obituary)
@fuuryuuSKK
@fuuryuuSKK 2 жыл бұрын
Oh hey, look at us breaking into the numberphile "prerelease vault"
@saberxebeck
@saberxebeck 2 жыл бұрын
Are you a time traveler?
@eldhomarkose8330
@eldhomarkose8330 2 жыл бұрын
@@saberxebeck patreon
@fuuryuuSKK
@fuuryuuSKK 2 жыл бұрын
@@eldhomarkose8330 I am in fact not a Patron, I got here via the link at the end of Grant's latest video.
@eldhomarkose8330
@eldhomarkose8330 2 жыл бұрын
@@fuuryuuSKK okay
@mrmorganmusic
@mrmorganmusic 2 жыл бұрын
This is great! I love seeing my favorite KZbinrs entering each other's worlds. I did notice a typo (others probably did too): at 1:17, the graphic indicates that we are writing 17 in base 4, but the prime in question, as Grant just stated, was 5 (11 in base 4).
@exoplanet11
@exoplanet11 11 ай бұрын
I noticed that error also and was about to comment.
@themathhatter5290
@themathhatter5290 2 жыл бұрын
After some thought, I've come up with an extension to Paterson Primes. Consider a set of primes {p1,p2...pn} and a small base A. To find a larger base B such that, when you take a prime in base A and interpret it in base B, will not divide any of the primes in the set, B must be subject to the following conditions: if a prime from the set p is larger than A, B=k*p for some natural number k, or in general, A=B (mod p). Let's do a small example. For the set {2,3,5,7}, and starting base 4, B must be a multiple of 2, one more than a multiple of three (which combine to require B is congruent to four mod six), either have a residue of four mod five or be a multiple of five, and either have a residue of four mod seven or be a multiple of seven. The smallest B which satisfies these conditions is 70. Thus, if you write the primes in base four and interpret them as base 70, you can be ensured that the resulting numbers will not be divisible by 2,3,5, or 7, which is neat, but far less elegant than P. Paterson's original result.
@konstantinrebrov675
@konstantinrebrov675 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the work of 3Blue1Brown. He has a way of explaining things that just intuitively makes sense.
@the_box
@the_box Жыл бұрын
So much editing for part 3. I bet it's going to be amazing!
@cvoisineaddis
@cvoisineaddis 2 жыл бұрын
Grant's eloquence and conveyance of mathematical principles is near unmatched.
@Chalisque
@Chalisque 2 жыл бұрын
The add-the-digits test for divisibility by 3 was my first experience of discovering a proof of a result. It was a bonus exercise my older sister had been set in school. Addictive experience.
@AngryArmadillo
@AngryArmadillo 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like we have definitely observed an increase in Grady’s mathematical abilities/confidence over the years of him conducting all these wonderful interviews. Love to see it!
@exoplanet11
@exoplanet11 11 ай бұрын
5:00 I've used the "add the digits" trick to check for divisibility by 3 for years...but never knew why it worked.
@impendio
@impendio 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking about patterns I always think about density and if there’s anything to learn for it, like if there’s a point where you run out of primes by using this method or if there are infinite Patterson primes and they just get more and more sparse, also if there’s a relation between the distance between primes and if different bases affect the spread, etc.
@lynk_1240
@lynk_1240 2 жыл бұрын
This begs these questions though: What is the longest string of Patterson Primes? (A string being a prime number goes in, and a prime number comes out as the seed for the next Patterson Prime) Does it happen in the low numbers? Does it exist in the 'big' numbers? Is there an infinitely long string of them? are there an arbitrarily infinite number of infinite Patterson Prime strings?
@nnaammuuss
@nnaammuuss Жыл бұрын
A reasonable conjecture would be: given any m>n positive, there exists a prime p such that the n-ary expression of p interpreted as m-ary, is not a prime.
@mebamme
@mebamme 2 жыл бұрын
So what's the longest known "Paterson chain" (i.e. repeatedly plugging in the result to get another prime)? Will all chains eventually end?
@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
This is a question that MUST be answered!
@l.3ok
@l.3ok 2 жыл бұрын
2 and 3 are the longest ones 😅
@themathhatter5290
@themathhatter5290 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's almost certain all chains will end, because there's no polynomial that can only produce primes, and I don't think any recurrence formula could either. I have a feeling the longest chain could be six, if the remainders cycle mod 7.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 жыл бұрын
@@l.3ok 2 and 3 are loops, not chains.
@Jisatsu
@Jisatsu 2 жыл бұрын
5 is actually pretty long: 5 -> 11 -> 23 -> 113 -> 1301 -> 110111, 6 steps I'm curious if there is a 7 step number or if all other numbers are tied or below
@caremengema.1.866
@caremengema.1.866 2 жыл бұрын
i actually discovered this while I was messing around during math class. all the primes that i input seemed to output a bigger prime, so I was disappointed to realise after checking on google that not all of them were primes
@rajeevk440
@rajeevk440 2 жыл бұрын
Waited for this collab for ages.
@Jacopo.Sormani
@Jacopo.Sormani 2 жыл бұрын
Bonus Numberphile video with 3b1b?!?😍😍
@Pharmalade
@Pharmalade 2 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely astounding! I have been working on a very similar version of this for several weeks now. Except it's much bigger in scope. I am fairly certain I know why 31 fails. I have been studying what I call zones of Naomi. A KZbin comment is a touch too small to go into detail. My current record prime found is over 12k digits in length and it looks very cool indeed. I suppose it's about time for me to start making videos.
@mcbot6291
@mcbot6291 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds cool! Definitely make a video
@rockallmusic
@rockallmusic 2 жыл бұрын
The 3Blue1Brown channel dropped a new video only a couple of hours ago and now we get THIS TOO today??? Christmas came early!
@Vaaaaadim
@Vaaaaadim 2 жыл бұрын
🧑‍💻don't mind me just haxoring into the vault of unreleased vids. FYI I got here from 3B1B's latest vid, endcard linked to this vid.
@Kwanzol
@Kwanzol 2 жыл бұрын
gosh, that would be pretty cool if i had a math friend like paterson back in school
@jcantonelli1
@jcantonelli1 2 жыл бұрын
Numberphile teaming up with 3Blue1Brown forms a kind of nerd supergroup. Good for everyone!
@wesleydeng71
@wesleydeng71 2 жыл бұрын
On top of 2, 3, 5, there are no 11s in the factors as well - because any number divisible by 5 in base 10 is divisible by 11 when converted into base 4 (since 5a = 4a+a = aa in base 4).
@theantonlulz
@theantonlulz 2 жыл бұрын
Not only is Grant one of the greatest math educators out there today, but he's also getting hella swole.
@MaryamMaqdisi
@MaryamMaqdisi 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love his videos to teach myself things but I didn’t think he’d be so conventionally attractive lol
@berber-zb3jr
@berber-zb3jr Жыл бұрын
Ikrrrr
@mamamheus7751
@mamamheus7751 2 жыл бұрын
So a schoolkid came up with that idea? Doesn't matter that it doesn't hold eventually, that was smart thinking! I thought I was doing well as an adult for having come across the divisible by 3 rule myself. (I also figured out whether a number can be divided by 11 too, so I call that a win! 😜) We weren't taught anything like this at school (40+ years ago). Obviously we were taught about primes and how to do "long division" (which I promptly forgot after realising that writing it out like a fraction and dividing that way was far simpler and quicker!), and I have the vaguest memories of binary - this was when computers were being coded using punch cards. Only the really smart kids got to do an O level in computing, and they had to go once a week to the only school in the region to have a computer. Binary was of "no use" to anyone who wasn't going to go into STEM subjects. Actually, they didn't even have an acronym back then lol. We didn't even have calculators. I still have my "log book" with the charts of logarithms, cos, sin, tan etc, squares & roots and yet more (can use most of them still if I need to. Just...) My little sister, doing her exams 2 years after me, was in the first year to be allowed to use calculators. Us "oldies" were horrified by the "cheating" 😂. I can still do quite quick mental arithmetic (that was walloped into us in primary, especially our times tables!), including area, volume (unless it involves π, then I need paper, pen and - if I'm not using my calculator, which I usually do now - the log book), percentages and the like. Basically, if it's arithmetic based, I'm hot. One step beyond anything I'm ever likely to use in "real life", I'm clueless! 🤷 To be fair, I got a certificate in mathematics from my uni as an adult, and that was hard work, but I've forgotten everything except the quadratic equation formula (if I didn't already know it). A bit of revision and I'd be great with statistics again - I love playing with numbers. It's just remembering equations and which ones to use when that gets me. I only understand Pythagoras' theorem because of an old joke about fat squaws and a hippopotamus hide. Don't ask, it was barely acceptable in the 70s (even as a kid I squirmed) but it did teach me how to do that! All in all, I'm trying to say how darned impressed I am by that chap as a youngster. I hope he's gone on to success in whatever he does now.
@Shortstuffjo
@Shortstuffjo 2 жыл бұрын
Once you've mentioned the joke, convention states that no matter how acceptable it is or isn't, you have to tell it!
@bluerizlagirl
@bluerizlagirl 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed. You have to be very careful if you think you have found a pattern, because there is so much room for coincidence. Always look for counter-examples! My favourite way to visualise the connection between the cross-sums and divisibility is this: 1000 * a + 100 * b + 10 * c + d = 999 * a + a + 99 * b + b + 9 * c + c + d = [an obvious multiple of 9] + a + b + c + d 64 * a + 16 * b + 4 * c + d = 63 * a + a + 15 * b + b + 3 * c + c + d = [an obvious multiple of 3] + a + b + c + d In general, the difference between a base-N number and its cross-sum is a multiple of N-1.
@HonkeyKongLive
@HonkeyKongLive 10 ай бұрын
Im imagining someone using the biggest discovered Mersenne prime and then stumbling upon a new prime by pure luck.
@henninghoefer
@henninghoefer 2 жыл бұрын
Grant is simply amazing at explaining things and Brady (almost) always asks the right questions - Love this video, wish I could upvote it more than once!
@shogun_1154
@shogun_1154 2 жыл бұрын
Grant crushes the math problems with his biceps
@sephalon1
@sephalon1 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, we need Neil Sloane to get to work finding the longest string of Patterson Primes he can. The rule is: start with a seed prime, do the Patterson Conversion, and if it's prime, convert that, and so on until you run into a composite. What's the largest number you can find that can be reached this way?
@yoloswaggins2161
@yoloswaggins2161 2 жыл бұрын
Just like for 3 there's a divisibility rule for 7 that you can use on 1211. Since 10 is 3 mod 7 then 10^2 is 9 = 2 mod 7. So you have 12 * 2 + 11 mod 7 -> 5 * 2 + 4 = 14 = 0 mod 7.
@ckq
@ckq 2 жыл бұрын
Or just subtract twice the last digit: 1211 => 121-2 = 119 => 18-11 = 7
@lucas.cardoso
@lucas.cardoso Жыл бұрын
So there are two possibilities for the result: either it's a Paterson Prime, or it's a Parker Prime 😆
@thegenxgamerguy6562
@thegenxgamerguy6562 Жыл бұрын
I like thinking about other bases. Great video, as always.
@styleisaweapon
@styleisaweapon 2 жыл бұрын
There very much might be a mod 4 or mod 8 aspect to primes, since there IS one for the bijective multipliers within mod (2^n) spaces .. such that if x*y = 1 then the 4th bit ("eights place") of the binary expansion of x is not equal the 4th bit of the binary expansion of y .. always .. a fact used to calculate modular inverses faster than newton
@styleisaweapon
@styleisaweapon 2 жыл бұрын
to be more specific, for a given x, its 2^n modular inverse y will always be the same in the first 3 bits (ones, twos, and fours places) and always be different in the 4th (eights place) .. while after that, it depends
@patch6306
@patch6306 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect (and would love to see) a proof that every "Paterson sequences" have to eventually become composite must be possible. Meaning p --> f(p) --> f(f(p)) --> etc. Eventually must produce a non-prime term.
@killerbee.13
@killerbee.13 2 жыл бұрын
You have to set the condition that p >= 5 because 2 and 3 are trivial counterexamples.
@spacefreedom
@spacefreedom 9 ай бұрын
I come from the “ pattern fool ya”
@kattpat
@kattpat 2 жыл бұрын
as the non-math paterson of the family, i understand none of this but love that my brother and grant do
@jafarm4443
@jafarm4443 2 жыл бұрын
endgame: We had the best crossover ever! Numperphile and 3Brown1Blue: Hold my brown sheet, please!
@xyzct
@xyzct 2 жыл бұрын
Paterson primes are the stuff that Parker squares are made of.
@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you. ;)
@lapiscarrot3557
@lapiscarrot3557 2 жыл бұрын
1:40 Seeing the scrolling stop just before 31 was pretty funny
@Rialagma
@Rialagma 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I see a video with the love of my lif- I mean 3blue1brown I have to click immediately
@Hooeylewissukz
@Hooeylewissukz 2 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see whats the longest recursive chain of paterson primes you can generate.
@jonathansperry7974
@jonathansperry7974 2 жыл бұрын
Aside from the trivial infinite chains (primes less than 4), I have the same question.
@jonathansperry7974
@jonathansperry7974 2 жыл бұрын
The longest I've found so far start with 5, 29, and 73. These end at 1301, 200133233 and 10301133301033, respectively. I've checked all the starting primes below 2500. Update: Checking the other comments, chains with one more number (but maybe not two) exist. But the smallest starts with a 9-digit prime, so I'm done.
@trentgraham465
@trentgraham465 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I remember doing that exact same base 4 conversion in middle school and thinking I had found a formula for larger prime numbers. I was very disappointed when I finally stumbled on a counterexample.
@HanabiraKage
@HanabiraKage 2 жыл бұрын
Even if it were foolproof, it still wouldn't be a very useful test of primality for the number you started with because you'll have to know if the larger, more "difficult" number is prime or not. As a way to generate primes from a known prime though, it would be pretty great.
@peterandersson3812
@peterandersson3812 2 жыл бұрын
Brady and Grant collaborating again: great! 👏🏻
@advaykumar9726
@advaykumar9726 2 жыл бұрын
2 Three blue one brown videos in one day!
@dylanparker130
@dylanparker130 2 жыл бұрын
This was so much fun!
@giass8399
@giass8399 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if anybody has pointed that out already, but there's a mistake @1:16, they are talking about "5", but the video is still showing "17" from the previous example.
@ANunes06
@ANunes06 2 жыл бұрын
Now here's a novel followup puzzle: What's the longest "chain" one can build by using the Patterson Prime Method. We saw 5->11->23->113->1301. 1301 converts to 110111, which is not prime in base 10, so that is a chain of length 4 (or 5 if counting from 1 makes more sense than counting from 0). I suspect the longest chain starts from a small value, but it isn't inconceivable for there to be an arbitrarily long chain somewhere out there. Just incredibly unlikely.
@alzblb1417
@alzblb1417 2 жыл бұрын
5 gives length 5, then 101495533 gives length 6, but i can't find 7 or more.
@btf_flotsam478
@btf_flotsam478 2 жыл бұрын
By the way, you said it doesn't have the immunity from 11, but the divisibility test for 11 implies that having the larger number divisible by 11 requires either at least 9011 (with the larger number equal to 2030303) or for the larger number to be divisible by 5. (If you can't see why, remember that 5 is 11 base 4).
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland 2 жыл бұрын
Loved that outro music on there to the Paterson Primes scrolling by :D
@fep_ptcp883
@fep_ptcp883 2 жыл бұрын
I love 3 blue 1 brown, especially as it was a spinoff of 2 girls 1 cup
@StefanReich
@StefanReich 2 жыл бұрын
omg
@bentationfunkiloglio
@bentationfunkiloglio 2 жыл бұрын
That was a really fun video. Very relatable.
@miles4711
@miles4711 2 жыл бұрын
@Numberphile What is the outro song, please? It has a really chill vibe. Neither Shazam nor Google Sound Search had any luck.
@MRich955
@MRich955 2 жыл бұрын
Also curious about this :)
@15october91
@15october91 2 жыл бұрын
I love 3Blue1Brown ❤
@jlehrer
@jlehrer 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a mistake at 1:17 in the video. It says 17 is “11” in base 4, but you were converting 5 to base 4 at the time.
@Tyler-yy5ds
@Tyler-yy5ds 2 жыл бұрын
a + b (mod 3) = a (mod 3) + b (mod 3) isn't strictly true. You still have to mod it again at the end. For example, 2 + 2 (mod 3) is not equal to 2 (mod 3) + 2 (mod 3), which would equal 4.
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 2 жыл бұрын
My thought as well!
@hebl47
@hebl47 2 жыл бұрын
I think it should be: (a (mod 3) + b (mod 3)) (mod 3)
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 2 жыл бұрын
@@hebl47 in theory yes, but that would defeat the point, as you needlessly do 3 operations now, instead of 1.
@hebl47
@hebl47 2 жыл бұрын
@@m.h.6470 What else is math if not theory? You have to be precise in phrasing your functions. And doing 3 easy operations instead of one hard is still a win.
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 2 жыл бұрын
@@hebl47 I would postulate, that - unless you work with an incredibly large number - you exchange 3 easy against 1 barely medium operation.
@delofon
@delofon 2 жыл бұрын
1:15 Whoops! Editing mistake.
2 жыл бұрын
Finally, a worthy opponent for the venerable Parker Square!
@ryanlowe0
@ryanlowe0 2 жыл бұрын
Missed opportunity with the alliteration. Should have called it "Patrick Paterson's Patented Process for Picking Primes"
@ghosttwo2
@ghosttwo2 2 жыл бұрын
It isn't mentioned in the video, but I suspect that the prime distribution of the output follows a log scale.
@RobinSylveoff
@RobinSylveoff 2 жыл бұрын
The Patrick Paterson Patented Procedure for Procuring Primes
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 2 жыл бұрын
That's fascinating. Is it generalizable? That is, can you choose what numbers you want to exclude and then pick a base or, if given a base, can you figure out what it will screen out?
@christianellegaard7120
@christianellegaard7120 2 жыл бұрын
We know very big Mersenne primes. But, I assume, not all the primes before it are known. What is the highest prime number where all the primes smaller than it are known?
@chiaracoetzee
@chiaracoetzee 2 жыл бұрын
Your question cannot really be answered, because if I told you the answer is p, you could very quickly use known algorithms to find a slightly larger prime number, and then that would be the new highest prime number where all the primes smaller than it are known. And you could keep doing this forever. Just not very quickly. We have found all primes up to about 10^18 but not yet 10^19, according to Chris K. Caldwell at UTM. Using best available techniques and all memory storage in the entire world for the sieve, with heavy optimizations, we could conceivably get all primes up to about 10^25. Beyond that, lacking the memory capacity to sieve, you'd have to switch to much slower algorithms that would spit them out one at a time. You could go on finding primes for millions of years that way and never stop.
@christianellegaard7120
@christianellegaard7120 2 жыл бұрын
@@chiaracoetzee Come to think of it, that's actually quite small, considering that, IIRC, the largest known prime is on the order of 10^2000000.
@ReaperUnreal
@ReaperUnreal 2 жыл бұрын
Now I desperately want to know if the Paterson Prime chain can be infinite, and if not, what's the maximum length.
@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
Great question.
@alzblb1417
@alzblb1417 2 жыл бұрын
prime 5 has length 5, then the smallest prime that has length 6 is 101495533. I haven't found 7 or more yet.
@kindlin
@kindlin 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect it's just a question of probability and search depth. If each prime may or may not generate another prime, and it's never a zero percent chance, so if you check long enough, I don't see why you couldn't find any finite length chain. Doubt it's infinite tho...
@zyxzevn
@zyxzevn 2 жыл бұрын
At school I had this similar idea of generating primes with (2^N)-1 where N is a prime.
@zyxzevn
@zyxzevn 2 жыл бұрын
Fails at 2^11-1 which is 23x89 and 2^23-1 which is 47x178381
@zaco-km3su
@zaco-km3su 2 жыл бұрын
This is more personal. I like it.
@rosiefay7283
@rosiefay7283 2 жыл бұрын
7:07 I think there is almost immunity from 11. Let's say s is the digit string which is the base-4 representation of p and the base-10 representation of q. Sum those digits that are in s's odd places; sum those digits that are in s's even places; let d be the difference between those two sums. If 11 divides q, then 11 also divides d. Now if d happens to be 0, then (by a similar argument) 5 divides p. 11 is indeed a Paterson prime produced from 5. But you'll only get a Paterson pseudoprime divisible by 11 if d is divisible by 11. And it takes a few digits for that to happen. The first example is 2030303=11*379*487, which comes from 9011.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 жыл бұрын
The strong law of small numbers is strong here.
@tombufford136
@tombufford136 2 жыл бұрын
Refreshing Video to watch. A wealth of numbers , fluently if not lyrically narrated and keyboard soundtrack. From what your saying, increase the base and you increase the number of primes ?
@TheMADGUY50
@TheMADGUY50 2 жыл бұрын
People: *Invents numbers* Also people: Bah gawd, the numbers.
@curtiswfranks
@curtiswfranks 2 жыл бұрын
How do the lengths of unbroken Paterson prime chains behave as the value of the initial term increases? What is the limsup thereof?
@WilliamWizer
@WilliamWizer 2 жыл бұрын
I do have one question about this. would it be possible to find a base that improves this method so it excludes 2,3,5 and 7? I doubt it. but I had to ask since there's a chance that it exists.
@Lashb1ade
@Lashb1ade 2 жыл бұрын
The Patrick Patterson Patented Process for Producing Progressively Prodigious Primes.
@Scrolte6174
@Scrolte6174 Жыл бұрын
1:15 *ERROR!* They left the 17 there without even changing it to a 5💀
@sdspivey
@sdspivey 2 жыл бұрын
I did this for decimal to binary a few years ago and discovered a primality test. Turns out it Fermat had already found it.
@fejfo6559
@fejfo6559 2 жыл бұрын
Converting from base 24 to base 5634 works for the first 17 primes. (4 to 10 only for the first 10) and produces some pretty large primes, like: 277 to 61987 to 715685960827 to 6093125672235600646607486318497
@ND62511
@ND62511 2 жыл бұрын
Got here early from the new 3B1B vid, it seems!
@Veptis
@Veptis Жыл бұрын
So some of the numberphile videos with Ben are shot at Brady's place. But these seem to be over at Grants.
@zathrasyes1287
@zathrasyes1287 2 жыл бұрын
Great cliffhanger.
@thomasrosebrough9062
@thomasrosebrough9062 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and now I'm wondering about the relationships between other bases. Is there any base for which this holds? Or a base for which the list of eliminated factors goes much higher? Might have to go write some code...
@hcsomething
@hcsomething 2 жыл бұрын
Seems more like "The Patrick Paterson Patented Process for Producing Primes" to me.
@brianmiller1077
@brianmiller1077 2 жыл бұрын
Presumably Patent pending
@aradhyajain5355
@aradhyajain5355 2 жыл бұрын
Theorem #221 - To prove that there are an infinite number of Paterson primes. The proof is trivial and is left up to the reader
@aidenstoat5745
@aidenstoat5745 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shoot! I went to high school with both of them! Didn't realize
@rogercarl3969
@rogercarl3969 2 жыл бұрын
Can we talk to the now famous Patrick Paterson? Would like to know more to see if this inquisitive young man is doing well.
@IrishEye
@IrishEye 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know you could do ASMR with Primes. I stand corrected.
2 жыл бұрын
Evolution gave us brains made for pattern recognition (and by "us", I don't mean only humans). And because it's evolution, it also means our brained are "tuned" for "useful" (evolutionnary advantageous) pattern recognition. We love patterns. What we call beauty is mostly made of patterns for which our brain is well-tuned. And part of those beautiful patterns are mathematical patterns... It seems that's why we are so bad at randomness, and so easily convinced we've found yet another pattern ^^
@VanByyrg
@VanByyrg 2 жыл бұрын
Cheeky link at the end of Grant's video!
@kylee.7654
@kylee.7654 2 жыл бұрын
Are there an infinite number of Paterson Primes? If not what’s the biggest? What about bases? There are more questions to answer!
@MrRabix007
@MrRabix007 2 жыл бұрын
not divisible by 2 by 3 by 5, so there is a big chance to maintain some occurence in both bases not a wow video. but the music at the end of the video is amazing. what is the track name
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