Path of Exile Leak Drama

[@N00BSYBORG]

Fextralife literally watermarks the weapon and item icons from Souls game as if they created and own those assets. They didn't "misunderstand" shit. They're just greedy.

[@tholzak]

Just like the embedded streams. Fextralife is absolute scum

[@iglidor]

Fextralife also blocks you if you dare to use VPN so screw them.

[@kaimojepaslt]

couldnt care less about some guides, never used them

[@-Big_Big]

think that is to be able to properly track when someone elses uses their uploaded material on their site.

[@kingofnara]

So you think GGG is just lying for them or can 2 things be true

[@MattMcMatt]

Giving Fextralife an early access review code in the first place was the first mistake

[@qlcrane8019]

Why? They get hundreds of millions of clicks to their websites despite being total assholes according to internet. They are big like it or not

[@Olter_]

@@qlcrane8019 I am certain that the PoE 2 devs would have rather snubbed fextralife completely than had them leak a bunch of stuff they weren't supposed to. And after bringing it up they kept leaking more stuff. No matter how big a website is, that type of behavior is not worth the publicity.

[@andyfibb]

@@qlcrane8019 but the poe says for those ppl to not make guides, but thats all fextralife does is make guides... they shot themselves in the foot...

[@yondaimesin]

@@qlcrane8019 most people want good content from highly recommended sites. Its basically akin to advertising temu products as tesla products.

[@rb98769]

@@andyfibb Fextralife doesn't just make guides lol. They're one of the biggest RPG reviewers on KZbin. They've been getting review codes from every major RPG release out there.

[@Kross415]

Yup, legacy gaming media should not have received anything. I can already see the ''lack of diversity'' articles and all that BS.

[@Jauchezipfel]

yep then the gamers get called names again that u have to google,if it ends with ism or ist know that u did everythin right

[@Bulsara777]

I don't think they will come, PoE classes are already very diverse and we only have 6 of them

[@joelhodoborgas]

@@Bulsara777 They wont come cause they wont be able to get thru act 1 to review the game lol

[@reedschadegg9023]

​@@Bulsara777not literally diverse, DEI diverse

[@Kross415]

@@Bulsara777 Lack of diversity meaning not enough minorities, not inclusing enough, no pronouns,etc etc. But to be fair, the gome is going to be a banger day one, I don't even think they're going to try, I think they're going to cut their loses with this one.

[@Tzhz]

Fextralife are no better than botters.

[@bradleyjenkins2271]

I mean, they are the best at it tho😂😂 Botting I mean

[@1997-enjoyer]

SEO Goblins.

[@Entreped]

They played by Twitch rules to make that sweet $$$. If anyone's to blame it's Twitch. People want to cry over the stupidest stuff I swear.

[@MadAtMax.300Blackout]

They are botters

[@DedHedZed]

Extra life makes great videos

[@haschwell2757]

GGG made a huge mistake admitting fault and taking blame. Fextralife were the only ones who "misunderstood" the NDA. Everyone else understood it just fine because it was very clear.

[@deenman23]

exept we dont know the internal workings of how GGG comunicates,they could just be sending emails to people not copy pasting stuff,fex could have gotten a wrong date,happens more often than you may think,GGG proly never bothered to double check

[@zuriyel5368]

Could also just be them being humble.

[@rockkatona100]

That might be. But GGG is a company, that takes blame if they can. Because they are transparent like that. But yeah fextra is a piece of doo doo.

[@aarons3014]

Nah, they sent F a different document, which had the wrong date. This has blown up bc people don't trust F from before. But the facts don't support drama now. Even the walkthrough was made by a community member using publicly available screenshots.

[@Largetech2009]

Anyone who honestly thinks that IGN or any other company that has EA to poe2 isn’t doing the same think is crazy xD

[@DietersYT]

I’m gay but there are so many comments nobody will ever know.

[@wdkpwr6586]

we know

[@Deezzer1212]

Reported for spam

[@Wuha81]

Oh my

[@pureisepic3035]

I know. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Ghost-yv6rh]

Not when there 27 comments

[@arghpee]

Fextralife deserves to go under

[@NeonEclipse910]

The damage to the brand is quite bad. I view them in the same light as IGN. A completely compromised business.

[@jsgdk]

Kinda agree, he is set up for life and is living in Thailand with his harem, on some level I gotta respect the hustle, drive and skill combined with some cynicism, dont hate the player, hate the game kinda. But I an happy about his declining dominance in the space.

[@WevilShortcrest]

Nope we need them lol id be stuck on so many games

[@jooseppielleese7156]

why?

[@yunoyukki7344]

@@WevilShortcrest they give wrong info lol

[@dawsonjoyner442]

Really disappointed to see GGG give Fextralife any relevance at all, honestly thought they'd be smarter than that.

[@qlcrane8019]

Fextra is partnered with Tencent which owns GGG. Also people have said to actual GGG employees at exilecon to avoid Fextra but it doesn't matter

[@felezeros4556]

They are still huge. GGG would loose money, if they didn't include them.

[@jooseppielleese7156]

What has he done thats so bad? game Twitch? boohoo

[@ratboyiscool]

GGG made the best response. They would rather not have drama with a content creator where they have to punish or remove them from the community. They addressed it and moved on trying to minimize drama and focus on the game.

[@qlcrane8019]

@@jooseppielleese7156 He does bare minimum to upkeep the wikis and he just pushes all algorithms to be at the top. And in the past he hoarded sponsorships just by embedding his streams

[@MikeyJ28]

Path of Exile drama is more interesting overly dramatic than most Netflix series.

[@bombman1599]

Also the other thing is Fextralife always rushes to get SEO and their information is almost always wrong

[@triplebog]

Fextralife sucks, but also GGG might not be wrong for apologizing. We have no idea what the internal communication may have been. It could have been that fextralife asked for clarity, and the GGG community manager gave the wrong response because they are an underpaid intern. Don't fall into believing that the company you hate must always be 100% wrong

[@dexmiss194]

If I remember correctly, Fexta Life published guides and descriptions of weapons and items from the Elden Ring DLC ​​before the official release of the DLC itself.

[@private3946]

that shouldnt be legal xd

[@danboyd6180]

Mortismal gaming took a HUGE L on Dragon Age… I unsubbed

[@KnightmareOX]

I was questioning his taste when he praised starfield but then after saying failguard was his GOTY i was like ok that’s enough

[@illegalalien4323]

@@KnightmareOX i questioned it when he released a cyberpunk 2077 review video where he criticized the driving in the game and while he was saying that he was playing a clip where theres a sharp turn and he doesnt even use the brakes and slams into a wall. Plus, his longform video style doesn't allow for making critical remarks, he might give one but it gets drowned out by 40 minutes of going through irrelevant features in the game. His format is designed to be unproblematic.

[@sanguicidas]

Isn't he the guy that claims to 100% games? If he is, I only remember him because: To those of us who actually 100% some games, the amount of time that guy lies about what he has done is nuts. He left bread crumbs about being a piece of shit.

[@theotherjared9824]

I reccomend the indie wiki buddy extension. It automatically prevents access to fandom and fextralife wikis and instead redirects to the independant wiki equivalent that usually has better upkeep and less ads.

[@Distophic]

I tried it for dark souls and it still went to fextralife. Oh well.

[@lordyasha5944]

Fextralife is soo trash the info is wrong and horribly explained i had to check youtube videos to find elden ring items because fextralife was wrong about their locations. I cant belive ppl hasnt gotten fextralife banned yet

[@null-wraith]

Nice

[@captaingrizzly9511]

fandom is literally the worst website on the internet. i will NEVER click on that pos website again.

[@Kenji-117]

What about CP websites? 💀💀💀

[@donut_42]

Heavily agreed. The fandom wiki websites are the worst I've ever seen. None of the layouts seem to be made for humans and the search feature is so bad it may as well not exist.

[@rb98769]

It was better when it was wikia. Now the entire website is slow and cluttered.

[@3limin8ted89]

@@Kenji-117least extreme whataboutism user

[@BoreanScape]

@@Kenji-117 brother in christ, what in the nine hells did you mean by this? you should have your computer scanned by a government entity

[@KingNiros]

I typed in: Elden Ring Walkthrough and Fextralife was the second search and IGN was number one. Neither of these should have been the top search result.

[@Arthur_Grey34]

I always look for reddit posts for awnsers to my gaming questions rather than those websites. I don't think IGN is the worst for an actual walkthrough, not too many people make proper walkthroughs these days and unless someone in the games community made a good one IGN is not a bad option.

[@Purpless_ON]

Go to Google and report the result as a bad result. If enough people do this, Google will bury it all on their own. People love to complain about something without ever taking action against it.

[@theFORZA66]

You dont need a walkthrough for elden ring. Guides here and there for specific quests and items sure but overall just explore and progress naturally is intuitive enough in the game

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

Mortismall gaming likes Starfield and Valeguard so his taste is nonexistent

[@mothbreeder641]

He doesn't just like Veilguard, it's his GOTY.

[@l0lzor123]

that guy admit he doesnt 100% games and its just for the title, he was caught(and admitted) to using a program to get achievements on steam.

[@Mythicalgoon]

@@l0lzor123do any videos cover this?

[@shblade5984]

@@l0lzor123 you are saying that but I am not seeing any proof

[@deenman23]

@@l0lzor123 ok but you dont need to 100% veilguard to know its shit....you can tell in the first minutes

[@dee_babs]

I saw Ghazzy's video and now Asmon... I think both of em are purposefully naming fextralife wrong and its so wholesome...

[@joelhodoborgas]

effextralife

[@clon1122]

F-extra life is not correct?

[@ElderGamerX]

The demise of Fextralife can't come soon enough. That Elden Ring interactive map is doing a lot of heavy lifting for the stie as a whole.

[@XGiveMeLibertyX]

Who cares?

[@ElderGamerX]

@XGiveMeLibertyX Not you apparently.

[@jaxen231]

He also had a really good dos 2 wiki. I dont get the hate ..

[@XGiveMeLibertyX]

@@jaxen231 ya iv never found his content anything other than helpful. I think there are just a lot of jealous creators. If people don’t want to be spoiled then don’t look up guides?

[@AsiandOOd]

no one is gonna care about this. if i am stuck and looking for a guide, i dont care if the website released embargoed footage early or not.

[@JohnCramer-k1u]

As someone who works in the ads space. This is the kind of stuff that companies do everyday to try and skirt around the rules. Exploit early, exploit often applies to business irl as well.

[@tsitzel4949]

The 180 from the Dragon Age video calling out games media to breaking NDA. Truly the duality of man.

[@loveinth3bluzz]

The game not even out yet and people already have drama

[@ViscusTube]

Manufactured.

[@Lebigbeard]

the drama stems from streamers and content creators whining they didnt get early access to the early access so they can get their guides out before anyone else. Think about the hundreds of thousands of new to PoE players that within the first 2-3 hours of the game they will be running to the first guides that come out whether they are good or not.

[@rb98769]

People are starving for content lol. But fextralife getting a code is nothing out of the ordinary. People just decided to dig up all the drama on him and it ended up spilling on GGG, who don't deserve it.

[@sliver7993]

​@Lebigbeard so it doesn't actually matter at all?

[@ezet]

That's the whole gaming community nowadays. Nothing but drama. Asmon's content is 95% drama. getting a bit tired of this bullshit

[@notcbt1987]

Can’t wait for the concord 2 leak

[@MadScientistSid]

"Review copy" has to stop, "journalists" don't need or shouldn't get copies before everyone else, everyone should be in the same playing field

[@VelocityZap]

Agreed.

[@olorin3815]

i mean there is hype at day 1 and they want there to be news to hype the game up at release day or before, if you dont give it to journalists/influencers to review you miss out on marketing

[@CaZuaLDeMoN]

They don't get to keep their progress so everyone is on the same playing field. Personally if another Starfield or Cyberpunk drops I would want to know how bad it is so I don't buy it.

[@olorin3815]

@@CaZuaLDeMoN yeah that aint gonna happen they always give good reviews on preview copies cuz if you give bad one noone is gonna give you a review copy anymore, publishers/devs just use it as free marketing

[@Variableh]

Huh? Same playing field? It's for a review dude lol. What are you even talking about?

[@RichterVonDoom]

Fextralife has been doing this for years. His need to be first has always outweighed his need to be correct.

[@Bleepbloopbz]

I like reading the comments because I bet these were the same people that defended Fextralife when they weren't given a review copy of Dragon Age but now everyone is saying how they aren't even relevant and deserves to be shutdown lol it's funny how people gravitate towards the most popular thing to defend it then will quickly switch sides

[@AquaticIdealist]

Situations can change too. Like imagine if a family member of yours got arrested for some felony charge. Your life would go 180 in an instant What once were heroes become villains

[@rb98769]

Entirely different situation to be fair. Wolfheart also didn't get a review copy for Veilguard and he has a pristine reputation. Fextralife IS relevant, people might not like it, but he's one of the largest dedicated RPG reviewers out there.

[@blackice8634]

I also don't understand the hate towards Fextralife. Did they do something on the level of like streamers putting a hit out on Asmon?

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Because those two situations are entirely different. I can defend your right to be treated equally and also be angry when you try and cut in line when everyone is treated equally.

[@Klodhvig]

​@@Senorbenignhillaritybut he didn't try to "cut in line", that's just schizo nonsense. Why would they risk breaking nda and being blacklisted?

[@pickledparsleyparty]

As a viewer, I could really care less about that Fextralife stream hosting thing. This is between Fex and other streamers yelling "fight with honor" at the army who just flanked their straight line formation from the trees and bushes.

[@AmericaFirst-1]

All of us NON content creators do not care about this at all. We just want to play the game. We do not care about content creator drama.

[@NiitroLoL]

All of us? speak for yourself

[@nlRov]

Yeah, and we don't care about the 'adpocalypse', but we still eat the slop because we need to hear something while we mindless grind on whatever shitty MMO is relevant at the moment.

[@AmericaFirst-1]

@@NiitroLoL Explain how you are effected in anyway by this?

[@lowfade556]

@@NiitroLoL 25 - 2 as of now

[@bfdhud]

42-2

[@Nostradevus1]

Is it possible that part of the miscommunication also was GGG not telling them to hold off on guide style content? People are treating this as separate issues when it could be from the same miscommunication.

[@Jeroen-IT]

Never heard of that site in my life

[@mark0fthewild]

Its one of the sites that support the souls games and build guides

[@balthasargelt4098]

I did but I dont get why people hate them. Used them for souls games and had no issues

[@yagsipcc287]

@@mark0fthewild one of 10 million websites/channels so ;-)

[@sethwood1676]

@@balthasargelt4098 because there was a point in time on their website where they used essentially you as a bot(actual bots also) by putting their stream in the top corner of the sites. While I think they can do whatever with their sites it is still pretty scummy to do that because it wasn't super noticeable at first. It was a tiny video in the corner that just looked like any other ad.

[@judiobag2841]

@@balthasargelt4098its very bare bones and incomplete for most other games and is riddled with incorrect information consistently

[@gemelwalters2942]

Ppl are really milking this. Mistakes happen all the time in the communications industry. GGG said it's a mishap on their part. Cool, Move on

[@xathlak]

If GGG is big brained they'll have enough changes in the live version they'll release to make the walkthrough invalid. That would mean they are assuming that people will be breaking the NDA though, which you'd think they just wouldn't provide access to someone who was going to do that in the first place.

[@rb98769]

The walkthrough is just content that had already been published by other streamers from the November event. I genuinely think no one actually read that walkthrough and just jumped on the bandwagon lol.

[@xathlak]

@@rb98769 No one posted a full playthrough. There was no way for them to make a complete walkthrough from the bits and pieces that were online. Don't lie.

[@yunoyukki7344]

@@xathlak yes there was. stop defending the POS

[@rb98769]

@@xathlak Well, there you have it. YT deletes any comment with a link. It's so frustrating. There is no complete walkthrough. It's an act 1 walkthrough. That content has been around for a long time. I don't know how to post the link to the guide without getting the comment struck down. Edit: Also, for the record, I've tried posting it on the subreddit and they just delete my posts or they get downvoted to oblivion.

[@rb98769]

Let's try this again. You do know imgur, right? The image is hosted there. There is the domain, then there is a slash, and then there is this: tjywyOZ If you check the character used in the guide, it's the name of a streamer. You can find the entire video used to make the guide by looking that name up.

[@qlyde]

Just based off the way you explained it (I don’t full understand) I don’t see a problem with embedding a gaming stream on a popular gaming website that they own - if people are visiting your website and they see your stream, they are watching / listening to it while they browse other things - which many viewers do on twitch anyways, ie: people play games with a stream on in the background or browse other tabs and just listen. I definitely agree it’s a problem defrauding advertisers/sponsors saying we have X amount of twitch viewers so sponsorship costs $X, (because a major proportion of viewers aren’t twitch users choosing to tune into the stream), but I don’t think it should be a problem on twitch’s side where they disallow embedding on external websites. Twitch could easily use cookies to tell which viewers are on the platform vs embedded viewers and just separate those numbers on the twitch viewer count while still allowing embedding, because it’s extra exposure via a legitimate external website with real users. As long as the twitch viewer count is shown accurately based on twitch platform users that should be fine and it also solves the issue with advertising.

[@miguellopez3392]

The problem is twitch allowed his because it made them more money at the cost of front page content quality, its not a hard thing to figure out, no one goes to the website to watch the stream on the background, they would go to twitch for that.

[@Singularity01010]

Twitch makes money when comapnies advertise on twitch. When people embedded and companies find out they dont want to advertise on twitch. Think before you type 😂

[@Awkward__Josh]

who remembers when gamefaqs was the first thing to pop up on game searches

[@kullanturner2555]

I use gamefaqs for a lot of my pokemon runs

[@pepinlebref7585]

those were good times. We were all so innocent and hopeful

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

I remember when you could only get game reviews from paper magazines.

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

We had full guides in paperback back then that game devs would release too. Times have changed.

[@Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer]

mainstream game review companies like kotaku etc arent the best source for reviews because 9 times out of 10 the ones reviewing the games don't have a vested interest in playing a game when it is released. The best source of finding out if a game is good is not to ask a review company but an ACTUAL GAMER/S or alternatively something similar to trustpilot which gamers give their own review info to... So for example when I want to know whether I'm interested in getting a game ill look at the steam reviews. Not some half assed review from ign or something.

[@Slomoshun4u]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1149">19:9</a>5 "I use their Elden ring guides should I stop?" How pathetic On multiple occasions I've seen Zach playing games with tabs open on his other screen with the extra life icon all over those tabs.

[@temafast]

it feels like i've seen exactly the same video about 3 years ago

[@colbyl-wx9if]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="84">1:24</a> sounds like an easy lawsuit to me. Problem solved

[@pensive8552]

"Traditional games media" is sh*t.

[@blacktrack8716]

Star forge needs another Gundam collaboration pls

[@tatersncorn]

Or they could just do their own mecha art

[@general_GAS]

people switch up like crazy. They loved fextralife when they reviewed veilguard in a somewhat negative way and now hate it because of this. I wish people had the same energy in real life.

[@bryanwashere5010]

You know what I've noticed? KZbin's algorithm brings up this channel's videos on auto-play so often that it doesn't give me a reason to subscribe to it. I get more of these videos as-is while channels that I actually subscribe to, with notifications, never get played. I'll probably subscribe despite all that, I'm just making an observation.

[@alvek230]

Mortismal gaming producing better reviews? Dude is using software to enable 100% on steam. He was involved in acess journalism with Veilguard lying about game and calling it GOTY and better than Origins. His opinions are shallow and somehow he is better than Fextralife? He is in same league as them

[@archeops.]

Wait he doesn't 100% the games? Isn't that what his reviews are about though?

[@rb98769]

@@archeops. There are rumors about it with supposed evidence I've never bothered looking into, but something like this is just super hard to verify at the end of the day. I wouldn't be surprised personally.

[@Irovetti]

Where's the proof he's hacking achievements?

[@TheKotfu]

Real

[@ezet]

There is no evidence of him using software to 100% games. Stop spreading this bullshit without it. And people are allowed to have different opinions

[@Kenji-117]

The problem with having a guide for everything is not that we have them but much more that it takes mystery and social interactuon out of games and you're forced to use it if everyone else does if your goal is to stay competitive

[@stinkfinga4918]

Well blame games for giving half assed info. Souls games are intentionally vague so they're at least more dependent on these sites than the other way around for purposely being as lazy as possible with plot and storytelling. I can especially understand stats because games will represent things like damage output with bars and gagues that relay nothing to the player.

[@jesperjohansson6959]

@@stinkfinga4918 That's more you not agreeing with the developer's vision. The minimalism and obscurity of Souls games is very much intentional. They know it's inconvenient - that's part of the experience.

[@stinkfinga4918]

@jesperjohansson6959 I've just stated it was intentional. Its a very dated practice that absolutely nobody likes in 2024. It was cool and new in 09, now its stale and only provides apathy for source material because no one knows what's going on. People made careers on youtube simply trying to speculate on the story and plot of FS games... thats not a positive thing to say about a game.

[@ezet]

Good thing though that in PoE2 there's zero chance anyone could make a useful guide based on the hours they spend in any review copy they get. We'll be laughing at the early attempts of build guides in a few weeks after the release

[@danjohnson9056]

L Fextralife

[@XGiveMeLibertyX]

W Fextralife

[@-hunt-6225]

@@XGiveMeLibertyXL

[@MichaelArmstrong-p3t]

In defense of Fextralife we don't actually know what agreement they had with GGG. Just the tweet. If GGG messed up the review embargo date they may well have messed up what content they had agreed to be created with it.

[@ravous246]

That dieters dude is gay. But no one will ever know.

[@NofirstnameNolastname]

😂

[@ProducerX21]

Fextra writing “Please be nice to the devs, this wasn’t malicious” gives off mad sociopath vibes Trying to play it like the devs made a massive mistake and that people would for some reason be mad at them is insane. The only mistake the devs made was giving Fextra a review copy in the first place

[@jordanwartooth9903]

I've used their guides for a long time. They're good. It's kind of a bummer seeing all this

[@implosesgm]

"traditional games media" aren't gamers, most of the time their "review" is shit! They shouldn't receive anything, and it's worse cuz it's an early acess for an early access game to be the first making wrong points of view, trash incorrect "guides"in a hurry and sphread BS in all the social medias. COMPANIES NEVER LEARN!

[@QQWoLPHie]

fextralife did it knowing he wasnt suppose to but knew he could be dishonest

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

Legacy Media had the same 8 hours of access that all the streamers had at that LA event. GGG didn't need to give them special access as 8 hours should have been more than enough time to make a review of a beta product (an actual beta). I'd love to see GGG come back and say "Hey guys legacy media needs days or weeks with a game to make a review unlike streamers who get it done at an 8hr event, so that's why we made a special 'games journalist' server for them before release." 🤣

[@Littlefoot.]

Im a real person but because of all these bot posts noone will ever know. Seriously youtube ban the bots its annoying af

[@zeemzok]

This really starts with the fact that they havent done proper due diligence on the individuals that should have early access

[@slipper8105]

he was trying to show that they always show up on the top of google searches but i have literally never once seen them

[@IronMic-ee4kt]

Ahh yes, because your experience overrules the majorities. Main character syndrome.

[@POE2FAN]

We should exile Fextralife from the community, am I right?

[@eleven473]

cmon GGG, do they not know anything about fextralife? whoever was reponsible for providing access to them did NO legwork

[@qlcrane8019]

Fextralife is partnered with tencent which owns GGG. What do you think?

[@rb98769]

Dude, name a single major RPG release in the past 4 years fextralife didn't get a code for. Other than Veilguard, which was its own mess. Why is GGG being singled out for this?

[@Moderation_Dodger]

I think GGG is just acting in good faith trying to avoid access journalism. But Fextra acting in bad faith towards open access is a solid case For access journalism... which is bad for us consumers.

[@Zets112]

posting and "putting an unfinished guide structure in a not publicly accessible area of your website" are pretty different. They should have been creating that guide offline to move onto the website later sure but, they didnt post anything.

[@atomiapx]

anyone else notice that at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="61">1:01</a> his hand is small??????????????

[@Jeff-rm3lv]

Yea, he lives like a ghoul bro

[@Rikki_Tikki_Tavvi]

AI confirmed

[@mahe7744]

​@@Jeff-rm3lvI love the idea that the way he lives is the reason for everything that happens to him lol

[@generationgaming8473]

It's for mashed potatoes.

[@Gungrave123]

Imagine trying to put down FextraLife and shouting out Morshillsmal Gayming in the same breath.

[@TrunksStrife]

Check out the Sparking Zero drama

[@dubbity7043]

This will be buried and forgotten on Friday.

[@gemelwalters2942]

Asmon says he's being comprehensive but he isn't. I don't know much about the Fextralife situation but nowhere does Asmon say whether embedding a video was illegal. So is all of this because he took advantage of a loophole before other ppl did? Because that happens all the time so clearly it's accepted

[@snintendog]

oh no the guy Embed his twtich stream in his wiki.. oh now how terrible.... Looks over to hot tub streamers.

[@theunknown7441]

Same thoughts, why would we care about that, its a nothing burger for us regular people, thats a streamer problem lol because his taking away their spot and that's a twitch issue, why would twitch allow that in the first place.

[@christopheroldfield1066]

I made game guides in high school. When the internet rolled around, I was stoked about making game guide sites. It didn't matter what game I decided to tackle, even before release, companies had full walkthroughs, all the secrets, screen captures, and codes. It was hilarious, and completely impossible to compete with . :)

[@Guirko]

Such a shame how everything needs guides and tutorials on day 1 nowadays. I admit i'm also guilty of looking stuff up for a game i've only barely started playing myself but, honestly, it's not worth losing that personal experience and sense of discovery.

[@Gnulcho]

I think it has to be pointed that it's still impossible to beat wikidot in obnoxiousness. They're abusing their domain for SEO. If anything, no matter how bad it is, has a wikidot, it will show up at the top, NO MATTER WHAT. On top of that they a history of refusing to cooperate when a community tries to establish an official wiki and replacing entire wikis with an ad. If wikidot shows up in any case, please take a few seconds to look for an official or alternative wiki.

[@drakuro6618]

honestly this is the first time I've heard of fextra drama. I only used his site to find out the location of the weapon i need

[@espada7646]

Reading the statement from GGG, it says there was miscommunication. As much as I don’t like or care for Fextralife. What are the chances they were also not told about the guide thing? I feel being told not to post content until release is just as important as not making guides for the game before release. Also in the statement they don’t explicitly say it was ONLY the embargo that was miscommunicated

[@rb98769]

The guide thing was a huge misunderstanding on part of the community. Fextra did not post that guide, and the guide was some random contribution to the wiki by some user who used content of another creator who published a 2 hour playthrough from the early access event. People saw that there was content about bosses on the guide and immediately assumed it was NDA content, but it's publicly available. It's impossible to get this information through reddit's head because any unpopular opinion there is downvoted to oblivion. Fextralife people barely contribute to their own wikis themselves. They have random users do it for them.

[@liamglasel]

I hope GGG do a live stream declaring that fextralife is lifetime banned from poe

[@gemelwalters2942]

Is Asmond serious? Because streamers don't have biases? As much as traditional journalism is screwed up, individual streamers aren't beholden to any guidelines at all. We have countless rage bait streamers, so how exactly do you consider them legitimate? Journalism of any kind should have a set of standards that need to be met.

[@Osk42]

Leaking WoW items and news 1 week ahead of time = you're a god Leaking PoE2 items and news 1 week ahead of time = you're a poop

[@konaqua122]

Embargo is just a NDA saying "you cannot post this until x date" or "you are only limited to post his until x date" Basically, it's NDA for anti leak. Learned this from Running Man when a cast posted a photo of shoot that would be aired the next month (They do shoot now but can only post about it after the episode aired) and got scolded for it.

[@zaibachien]

Honestly, I respect fextralife's grind, they are playing the money game and they are savage at it. I'd like to see how many of the people criticizing fextralife's methods actually made a donation to the filterblade guy. I know I didn't.

[@Lp0tr33]

I remember that Fextralife was always the biggest streamer for new games that nobody has ever heard of. And people explained they are a review and guide website that embeds their stream in their website, so that every time someone view's their webpage it counts as a viewer for the twitch stream.

[@XayDolla]

Here is the solution....... DONT RELEASE THE GAME TO NOBODY EARLY. RELEASE IT TO EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME. Like the good ol days of gaming.

[@PotaraGuy]

You're thinking people have IQ or logic these days. You'd be sadly, sorely disappointed. Nobody has sense.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

Just a contrarian argument. If GGG didn't communicate properly to Fextralife about 1 thing they probably didn't regarding the producing of guide content. If that is the case they might have already put together the guide and scheduled it to go up on the site. When the communication then occurred from GGG they would move to remove the guides. However once something gets put up on a public website it will be cached and indexed within hours. Trying to remove it after the fact can't really be done by just clicking delete and have it happen immediately or completely. Properly putting content on the internet doesn't really allow that as you have lots of caching layers (local server caching, CDN's, 3rd parties caching your site, browser caching, etc).

[@muccafamumu]

I can understand streamers hating fextralife, but as a non streamers I don't give a damn that they were view botting. Their wikies are often good (elden ring, lies of p, etc). About the NDA: dick move, but let's be honest, it just means they may not receive early copies anymore. As a player, you shouldn't care about that.

[@kellpt]

In terms of the english language, "to produce" something may be interpreted not from a standpoint of "production, manufacturing, etc", but instead as "to make something available", such as in "produce your ID documents" - which in this context would be synonim to publishing. So it's not really worth going there to parse the words, because regardless of how you interpret it (production, publishing) they did it anyway.

[@WotsOnSecond2]

Review copies shouldn't exist. Especially for GGG who always says they like seasonal content because of everyone starting on an even playing field. Meanwhile, they're selling early access and giving streamers and reviewers insider information.

[@paselitoru]

Seasonal content was mentioned by you only to ignore it when making your claims about them selling early access and insider info on the base game.

[@jokerledger5400]

The proper wording is most people on the same playing field lol

[@Variableh]

I don't understand this sentiment. Review copies....are for review purposes. Full stop. It' not about "getting ahead", it's about reviewing a game dude. That's it. Anyone can make the choice to watch a review or not themselves, no one is forcing you to watch these. You aren't "competing" with anyone lol.

[@Zachnemfr]

@@jokerledger5400both ways are grammatically correct bruh… that was not a necessary response 😂

[@WotsOnSecond2]

@@Variableh Fextralife, a streamer, played through the entire game already. Early access hasn't even been released yet. Fextralife knows more about the game than most other streamers, which is probably why the streamers are mad. But they also know much more about the game than the average player. So they are obviously already ahead

[@Grimasaurus]

Quite frankly, I miss the days pre-creator, where a new game WAS a new game. It generated excitement and chatter around town as people worked together to beat the game. All that is gone... now its just whoever gets access, puts everything up and even if you avoid spoilers, some of the images give away secrets before you even get to play.

[@-Katastrophe]

As someone with zero interest in diablo-likes, this like waching some foreign parliament get into a slapfight.

[@bobbob-vw4cc]

POE-like, just to correct you.

[@theimmoralcookie]

Force Gaming made a really great, neutral, short, and simple video that doesn't trash Fextralife or the PoE devs.

[@datboi449]

i pooped today.

[@SuperMarioTomma95]

Big if true

[@rod99ttett90]

I have seen so many guides from so many KZbinrs in my recommendation for poe2 i start to think nobody giving a shit anymore

[@hirotakasugi4891]

Guides for games….? What’s The purpose of playing games then? O.o

[@Moderation_Dodger]

If you're stonewalled, guides are nice. But, a lot of cringe players don't really want to beat games, they want to break them and faceroll through to endgame asap and copy the highest rated character's build. Which makes the player-economy of online games crappy.

[@Olanar2000]

You never played poe to ask that question so why not playing first before having that kind of stupid questions ? :)

[@hirotakasugi4891]

@@Olanar2000 i played POE 1 Vaal Rain of arrows was my main build O.o never looked at guides a long while ago. Again. Guides ruin games, especially guides that actually talk about how to progress on the game. You’re suppose to figure it out. That’s part of the gameplay.

[@hirotakasugi4891]

@@Moderation_Dodger yeah. It’s because they’re not smart enough to naturally come up with something. Even more so about guides progressing through the game. Like… you’re suppose to figure that shit out, it’s part of the game.

[@cameronhegger820]

"We will have the review up + more on Dec 6th" meaning every single walkthrough and guide will all magically appear on day one even though they were not supposed to be making them. Regardless of the video timing if his site has a full detailed breakdown of every single thing on Dec 6th they should take legal action.

[@xxkaizenxx4594]

What's wrong with Fextralife? Their wiki has helped me countless times.

[@beanz239]

same

[@AquaticIdealist]

Leaked information too early

[@Moderation_Dodger]

He pushes down legitimate streamers by viewbotting. Also advertisers who pay him don't get their sponsorships seen, so that effectively makes advertisers pay less, which effects all streamers. Asmon explains this very clearly, so why'd you ask? The problem wasn't their wiki, it was how they were using Twitch... basically every viewer on their wiki, would count as a Twitch viewer on their stream.

[@Eruedraith91]

Idk, it's a fad to hate them right now. I love Fextralife.

[@tehtehkhantengames8580]

Because these people operate on the same wavelength as the reddit hivemind. The dude had embedded streams on his website. His free website. That people chose to view. For free. People call it viewbotting but honestly if the site wasn't worth a damn it wouldn't have worked. So it's a GOOD FREE site that they were using to advertise their OWN streams with an embedded stream. It seems like pointless hate imo 🤷

[@mrkarate8134]

At this point I think nobody should get copies of the game before it comes out. Everyone should just play at the same time that way nothing gets spoiled and no drama will start.

[@eventhorizon853]

It's absolutely blackpilling to see that content creators won't turn their back on GGG over this. If you get an embargo and some other idiot doesn't, this hurts your content. And yet they'll stick to GGG through this just like they did through every other idiotic thing they did. The genre is in dire need of competition (no, Diablo doesn't count).

[@mothbreeder641]

GGG is simply trying to move onto the console audience they think exists for the game. They know they already have their current audience no matter what so they're taking a dump on them every chance they get.

[@iFoss]

@@mothbreeder641 Seek help.

[@MeldinX2]

I mean who gives a f? If someone releases some guides ahead of time? xD

[@ChristopherPam-m4l]

Giving media access to content ahead of release, things like Movies, Books and yes, video games, is very standard. It used to be established media players (think movie reviewers attached to newspapers, etc).... but with so much of the gaming space (media and influencers) being online now, non-traditional sources are going to be included in this.

[@byhy1111]

Fextralife get review copy with embargo date. That date comes. They release content on the game. Ggg relies they fucked up wants them to take it down. They do. Ggg takes the blame. People attack fextralife. I don't see how fextralife is in the wrong

[@theunknown7441]

Playing devils advocate here: If they did got hacked maybe this was a scheduled page post, and the leaker exposed them and post it immediately.

[@affentheeverchosen4826]

I've had my own fair share of this guy. In New World he used to run around and follow my guild, uninvited, whenever we would do the PvP activities and it was the most hilarious shit ever seeing him die.

[@ParaFoxxen]

Review versions are so 90’s. And journalism is something of the past. Last time I went out and bought something because a person reviews things he/she got for free, was when I bought a microwave years ago. Official teasers/trailers are enough for games.

[@zeikers]

I’ve never seen a channel make content solely on “drama” and then yell that everyone else is the issue. I miss Asmongold playing actual games like dark souls and shit. This new thing of releasing rage bait drama videos just sucks man.

[@tonykeally1039]

You realize you don’t have to watch every video right?

[@breakupgoogle]

when you said context i expected the editor to break in with "Context and add more"

[@LordWuYu]

😄

[@Jayrehm]

They should have said : "We share the accountability with GGG and should have asked for confirmation. As the early access approaches we understand they have a lot of things to do and we should have take that in consideration. We will improve our communication process with developpers as much as possible from now on. Thanks GGG and thank you." I really feel like their statement was just throwing a rock at GGG tbh

[@Muchsz]

hi

[@MadAtMax.300Blackout]

I think it was fextralife that had a bunch of diablo 2 ressurected "guides" that id purposefully avoid because something about the channel was odd/unathentic etx