Pathfinder 2nd Ed - What we like, and Dislike... So far

[@willot4237]

10:28 A Lot of GMs now play with the optional rule "Free Archetype". An Class Archetype (There are Organizational Archetypes too (guilds/groups)) is a how PF2e does Multiclass (for most people, there is Dual classing but no one does that). Its gives you a taste of another class. You can be a Fighter with a Sorcerer Archetype and can now cast shield. But 85% of your character is still fighter. Usually you have to give up you Class Feat you gain every 2nd level if you want to develop your Archetype. The FREE rule doesnt have this stipulation. GMs be careful, CLASS Archetypes can allow for much more powerful characters but MY GOD the options!

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

PF... Where Options are opportunities

[@willot4237]

21:24 He means Actions here when he says Rounds... Some spells exist over multiple rounds but you have to sustain it for 1 action. So you can sustain a conjuration (Fire elemental) for 1 Action (Fire elemental then gets 2 actions for you to use with it) then Cast a Fireball for 2 Actions = 3 actions

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

YUP, Tom mixing words

[@willot4237]

27:45 Yep, Pathfinders look over at the D&D 5e guys and say "yeah, we have to *WORK* for a living over here!" LOL

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

HAHAHA

[@willot4237]

16:38 More than you think, If you Critical Succeed or Critically Failure what acually happens on a nat 1 or nat 20 is the your result shifts up or down a Degree of Success. Now "usually" this does result in what you expect, a Critical Success IS a Critical Success and a Critical Failure IS a Critical Failure. *But what happens if you have a high weapon or skill (Level 11) and you nat 1 a Goblin?* AC:11 You roll a nat 1 + Strike (+21) = 22 Hit Now, a 22 hit against a AC:11 would be a Critical Hit! (10+ over AC) but, you rolled a Nat 1 so the result has to "shift" down to a success. You still managed to hit it because your skill is so high. *The opposite is also true.* AC:33 You roll a nat 20 + Strike (+2) = 22 Hit This is a Critical Miss! (10 under AC) BUT! its a nat 20 so that Critical Miss Becomes only a failure (shifts up one), you didnt hit, but you still have all your limbs at least.... *OR* AC:33 You roll a nat 20 + Strike (+5) = 25 Hit This is a Miss! You rolled a Nat 20 so... its a HIT! (not a critical But a hit) Thing to remember Nat 1s and Nat 20s move the degree of success up or down depending, they dont CHANGE it to a Crit Failure or Crit Success This doesnt happen often but it does happen. If it is happening a lot, your GM is gonna have to have a good hard look at his game. (DCs (a AC IS considered a DC) are either all too high or Too Low) See 2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2286&Redirected=1

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

@willot4237 Thanks for the comment. I think 3 of us all missed that :-P

[@willot4237]

The New Edition of Pathfinder is known in the community as "Remaster", So if people see others refering to "The Remaster", they are talking about the latest version. A lot of the changes in the latest edition is stripping out any WOTC stuff. Pazio (for reasons...) wanted to pull away from WOTC D&D all together and remove or changed a lot of stuff that also occured in D&D. Good you have the latest edition as well because it also has the erratas in it. So if something doesnt make sense see what it says in the latest edition

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

I do, no one else does

[@willot4237]

In the latest edition Shields can have Renforcing runes I dont think you can put runes on shield in the older PF2e edition

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

@willot4237 Thanks for the comment. Not dug into revised yet. but saw nothing in 2.0

[@miguelricardovargas]

Why don't you use Pathbuilder? It is very easy

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

@miguelricardovargas Thanks for the comment. We normally play Pathfinder 1st ed, but 1 of our players wanted to DM PF2E, So this is what we like and dislike about 2E so far

[@matthewblanchard9805]

Calling the Remaster Core "Third Edition" is incredibly misleading. PF2 and PF2r are the exact same game. PF2r incorporates the errata accumulated since the 2019 release of the game, cuts off the vestigial OGL content and removes unnecessary details from the characters sheet. I certainly wouldn't say that building a character in PF2 is more complicated than building a PF1 character. Yes there are a lot options to select from, but there is far less calculation required. It's a depth of options, not a depth of complexity.

[@wizardsofthetower3802]

@matthewblanchard9805 So we only did that because I have seen some like Ronald the Rules Lawyer even point out that it any update and release of new books is eventually a new version. And yes, it is "The Same" It is "Not the same" If your DM does not have revised, and you do, it really is different.