Pathfinder: WotR - Five Classes/Archetypes You Shouldn't Play

[@sarahohara5806]

That's why I like the roguelite DLC. You can try these classes that might not be optimal for a regular game. I remember in your last video like this you also listed the Master of All subclass for the rogue. But I had one in my party for my first 25 islands in the DLC since I didn't know what skillchecks would await me and I figured someone who covers practically all bases could come in handy. And he did. He also dealt 47% of all damage according to the final screen. But that was largely due to him starting every fight off from stealth with his six throwing axes + sneak attack, often one-shotting priority enemies. Yeah, I guess other rogue classes could have done the same thing better. But I found it very enjoyable to have that guy tag along.

[@MuppetLord1]

Suggestion: Best sublcass of every base class. :)

[@DeMause]

@@quint3ssent1a personally I like elemental engine a lot but I can't really disagree with you for general use.

[@leathermage]

@@quint3ssent1a Paladin same thing, and also bard. Can't even imagine picking one of their subclasses over simple class.

[@MuppetLord1]

@@quint3ssent1a well if the base class is the best one he would obviously talk about the base class instead of a subclass in that instance. :)

[@magatmilan8925]

I think for the majority of classes the base class is strongest

[@jackrabbit5212]

A lot of classes, yeah, but I disagree with "majority". Demonslayer is the best ranger, sacred huntmaster is the best inquisitor, vivisectionist is the best alchemist, seeker is the best oracle... it goes on. Plus there are a few classes where there are use cases for most of the subclasses, most of which are better than the base. Monk and Magus come to mind.

[@dumplingshakes22]

I’ve played this game so freaking much but I’m always down for a new mortismal video about it haha

[@alex-uw4mm]

also for the base story, if you want to play ranger just pick the demon hunter. while the other archtypes aren't uselss, your favorite enemy feature got ripped into 3 pieces for this game if you want that to be demons. unless you are a demon hunter

[@ephemispriest8069]

Freebooter is also a really good one. You give up a lot, but can add a nice untyped bonus to attack and damage for the entire party.

[@hopejohnson6347]

yeah, That was instantly my first pick for my first playthrough. Never regretted it.

[@gabrielbjornursidae]

My favorite evil playthrough is a Demon Hunter Demon. How do you ensure that you will always be a supreme demon lord when your biggest enemies are fellow demon lords? Specialize in killing demons. 10/10

[@ADirtyEwok]

I've been waiting impatiently for the Enhanced Edition to begin my first every playthrough of WotR, and your videos have been a really fun way to both tide me over until it releases and stoke the flames of my excitement at the same time haha. Thanks for the content!

[@GrohiikVahlokJul]

You might want to give it a week or two afterwards. Big updates usually have some unforeseen bugs that need to be stamped out.

[@EldritchBladesgaming]

Game is extremely good. Ive been playing for the past year, 7 or 8 characters, everytime its different. Some in casual for fun most in hard for the challenge

[@frankfowler3270]

Two things you may not know about the Elemental Witch when you start the winter witch prestige class. 1.Their cold elemental blast they get as a cantrip scales with winter witch levels 2. when you get hexes as winter witch, You get a hexes based on the Witch class not the elemental witch subclass, meaning you can cover most of the lost hexes you miss out on with the elemental witch. Pure elemental witch you're right about it doesnt offer much by its self, but it works well if you plan to go winter witch.

[@velemamba260]

Wow, in my first playthrough of the game when it launched, I played an elemenetal witch specifically to then go into winter witch. I didn't know that I'd lucked my way into a good combination. I just wanted to be a winter witch and went with something thematic.

[@LilMissThor]

was just about to say as much about the Elemental Witch/Winter Witch myself -- it was one of the first classes I played in Wrath, and (while I never played any of the hardest settings) I never really felt like I'd really missed out on Hexes because of WW

[@MortismalGaming]

Winter witch also isnt that good though, not a lot of good cold spells and a worse version of ascendant element cold. The increased caster level for cold spells is decent, but thats about it.

[@debrickashaw9387]

@@velemamba260 nice, i also went winter witch and added lich because of roleplay reasons. Once i got addons to fix cackle (extending the duration by 10min outside of combat per use instead of 2 rounds) it was awesome but up to that point i hated it lmao

[@lattekahvi1298]

Ability to straight up ignore immunity and resistance sounds good but then again you could choose one mythic feat at sixth level which lets you do that on any element which is a lot lesser investment than having your entire character built for single feature

[@sohamkar1846]

It will be great to see some lore friendly builds and suggested parties.

[@nathanmcduck2999]

Well, good news for assassin. Last patch added a mythic ability to bypass poison immunity

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

I like Elemental Witch as a chassis for an Arcane Trickster. It just gives you a consistent way to apply your sneak attack dice with a touch attack that's more powerful than a cantrip early on. And you won't get your hex progression with AT anyways, so it's not much of a loss. The ray will easily be obsolete once you get Surprise Spells, but by then it's done it's job.

[@averypeck6821]

Excellent content! I love d&d/Pathfinder, but my initial build are usually abandoned. I would tend to pick skills that sounded cool, but were unfocused. In my defense, I started playing in the 80s but was distracted by the need for income. I think we had 4 classes then! Thanks for schooling an old man embracing his past joy!

[@paperred5128]

I'm glad Elemental Rampager didn't make the list. Its actually as good as normal druid. Great for exploiting melee Elemental Barra... oh.

[@raistlin3462]

Owlcat: "Ha ha nerfing patch goes brrrr..."

[@jackakimbo5718]

I'd love to see them buff/fix these somehow in the future. Like I really like the concept of the Imitator for instance, would be nice to see it roughly on par with the other Slayers. Oh and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE if they added a mythic ability that lets you ignore the enemies poison immunity. Give me back that sweet, sweet communal resist poison + stinking cloud combo from Kingmaker

[@MortismalGaming]

I want an Eldritch Font fix so much lol

[@dannyavarice]

Most of these classes make sense why they are practically unplayable in the base game, since their strengths lie with fighting enemy types that aren't present, but I feel like it's a crying shame for the Eldritch Font Arcanist and Assassin. I feel like those two could "easily" be fixed. They'd have to do some coding for the Eldritch Arcanist to fix that main ability, but it's do-able. The Assassin would be far easier in my opinion. I'm kind of surprised they haven't added a feat (Poison Mastery or whatever you'd wanna call it) specifically tailored for poison builds. I get that demons are the main source of conflict in the main plot, and that they are typically all immune to poison, but it's a shame that even the Assassin's poison doesn't do anything. I've still got a lot of learning to do. I've been watching your videos religiously by this point to learn as much as possible before the console release. I've been really excited for it since I heard there was going to be a port for console about a year ago. Just a few more days, then I'll get a hands on learning experience. I appreciate how much you've talked about Pathfinder: WOTR without giving many (if any) spoilers. I still have no clue what the real story is about and I thank you for it.

[@Largecow_Moobeast]

This is such a good idea for a list, I feel like there are a lot of bad choices you could make if you don't know what you're doing.

[@DamianBloodkil]

Roguelike DLC does infact give Assassin more use BUT not gigantic use is the problem, some Tailwinds are pretty nice if you get them for it though, was better back when the Legend early bug existed too, funnily enough i use Imitator as a dip for humans in some builds (old Hellknight build with TWF bypass) but otherwise its pretty bad.

[@benb4557]

I think I made an elemental witch -> winter witch that ended up being super strong... but a lot of that was from the combined lich spellbook. I know you can easily get the mythic ability to bypass frost resistance but not having to spend mythic abilities to do so freed them up for other strong things.

[@marklion250]

So used to your intro and outro. Almost waiting for them :) Nice list. I didn't know about some of these

[@peters6345]

Imitator is a real bummer. It's a fun idea, if I played the tabletop game I'd definitely give it a try

[@bobyhappy2992]

I don't like arcanist in general...because i don't find the arcane exploits very interesting on a spellcaster from what I've seen, a lot of arcane exploits are just...spells...with some extras but I think it's nice to have these on a non-spellcaster :/ I KNOW the brown fur transmuter is the ebst buffer in the game but...It still doesn't click for me how about a video about five classes/archetypes that would benefit from a buff or a small rework ?

[@mahe4]

even brown fur isn't so much above a good incense synthesizer. giving alchemist self only buffs to everyone is already nice and on top of that you get nice incense buffs. brown fur is still better, but not by a lot.

[@wanderdragon1075]

I love the Arcanist. The more spontaneous style casting is the bigger draw for me. Some of the exploits (armored mask and dimensional slide) come in quite handy. Besides they’re an extra resource, and the more things I can shift off my spell slots the happier I am.

[@Elthenar]

For those stumbling across this, they put in a mythic ability to let you poison anything, or disease it. Still not worth it most likely but it does exist

[@uunikaulus]

This was a good video. There's a plethora of classes and it's not clear what are actually good. More videos like this plz

[@kiltedwarriorgaming]

Agree with most of these, particularly the defender of the true world. It has great role playing potential and was obviously great in kingmaker but yeah after finishing another play through with your sword saint duellist build no less, I thought no point of continuing defender as there are very few encounters with fey. Similar to demonslayer being being great and making some classes obsolete, that said I prefer flame warden even though you have to get a bonus to ignore fire resistance to make it work.

[@Llortnerof]

I imagine the main reason they kept that one was because it was already done. It obviously serves little purpose in the WotR campain and likely wouldn't be on the list if not for Kingmaker being released first.

[@Haristoteles]

Congrats on your 80k, go for those 100k!!!

[@Dasgewt1]

A mythic poison bypass feat would have been awesome, but I still doubt it would have saved Assassin. I got tricked by elemental witch on a playthrough. A 7d6 cantrip isn't weak by any means, but you definitely pay too much for it.

[@chriswhinery925]

Yeah poison bypass I think isn't nearly enough. Any enemy strong enough to be worth debuffing instead of just killing it outright will have high enough stats that doing 1d4 damage to them isn't even going to be noticeable. On top of that, aren't a lot of high level enemies just immune to stat debuffs in the first place, poison or not? So if that's true, you need a mythic ability that bypasses BOTH poison immunity and general stat debuff immunity. But if you add that, there are still plenty of classes that could take that and debuff stats much more effectively than the assassin. So on top of that you also need a very large buff to the strength of the poison. I can see why Owlcat hasn't delivered on their promise to make it viable yet, it seems like a lot of changes would be needed to do it.

[@Ohmargod]

Suggestion: What about a prestige class ranking? An updated version regarding viability and fun with the main game and DLC in mind.

[@williamhououin]

Just wanted to let you know: I’m not playing this game, and still watch every videos you make about it. That’s saying a lot to how interesting it is listening to you. BTW, ever played the Spiderweb Software games? Would be curious to hear about it from you. I’m playing them these days and I do enjoy them a lot. Keep in mind: you got me back into crpg with DOS:2, and I didn’t played anything since the baldur’s gate games … Anyway, enough ramblings, have an amazing day Mortym!

[@MortismalGaming]

I'll probably get to SS games at some point, but my experience with them is a bit limited.

[@williamhououin]

@@MortismalGaming thanks for taking the time to reply to me 😄

[@daniel.holbrook]

Arcane Bomber Wizard's another one, four(!!!) opposition schools is terrible for what you 'gain' and you can't modify the bombs like an alchemist can so friendly fire is a constant issue Hellknight Signifier is another one that is pretty useless and not worth going for. Arcane casters can get Archmage Armor and divine casters don't get the Catechesis class feature like they're supposed to, so both are kinda lose-lose. You don't even get the mask for roleplay :-(

[@Davlavi]

This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏🙏

[@thomaskruger547]

Soooo much pathfinder coverage.... I love it. :D

[@filiplatera8293]

Not sure when it was implemented, but there is a mythic ability Corruptor, which makes your poisons and diseases overcome immunities.

[@simoncodrington]

Another great one mate

[@Noodliest]

My first and current character is the Elemental Witch. RIP.

[@Akaritomi]

I have a habit of building characters based on other media (anime/books/etc) as well as using the least popular classes. I guess I like to stick out even if it makes things harder. Though I'd say the rough part for me is not knowing when to take a certain feat at the right level (feat may not be useful until level 10 but I took it at 5) Wish I could color barbarian rage aura to blue. Would make a Grimmjow build.

[@happyninja42]

I've been bouncing around an idea for a "Banisher" build for the game. Given the number of demon/devils/outsiders you fight in the game, I thought building someone designed to just banish enemies with a spell would be fun. It was inspired by your Fearmonger build with Shadow Word: Kill and Wierd. But instead of it built around fear, it's built around the banish effect. I never tested it for too far before I basically got burned out on the game, but I am kind of considering trying it out again. What are your thoughts on this build? I'm sorry for vague info, but I do recall one of the archetypes specialized in banishing outsiders, and also provided bonuses to allies against outsider magical effects/debuffs. Have you played with this archetype much?

[@jackakimbo5718]

Not exactly an expert at builds but wouldn't something like the commonly used Nenio build where you stack illusion spell focus and DC gear to spam Phantasmal Killer/Weird work? Take a Wizard and just swap all the illusion stuff for abjuration and the key two spells for Dismissal/Banishment? Heighten metamagic and maybe persistent to get a ton of casts. Azata would have Favorable/Zippy Magic and some stuff in the Azata spellbook to make those Dismissals/Banishments hit easier (playing an Azata now, a melee character but Ode to Miraculous Magic has been a really nice little buff for my party members like Nenio), Aeon gets a Gaze that beefs up your spell DC's, and Demon can also get those DC's high. A Sorcerer like Overwhelming Mage should work just as good as a Wizard, if not better. Though you wouldn't be able to do your normal Dismissal/Banishment spam in Chapter 4, you'd have to have something else to fall back on like covering the battlefield in Grease.

[@MortismalGaming]

I havent messed around with it much to know the limits, but I know people have used builds like that and posted about it. I havent done enough looking into it to give a good answer sadly.

[@Beastdono]

Holy shit. I have seriously spent 5 days looking up info in preparation for console release, so I can create a good character that would not be a stock standard wizard or sorcerer - caster, primarily CC but that can also do some damage or buffs. Finally, I ended up with Eldritch Font, I had it all planned out. Spell focus on transmutation and evocation, spell penetration, elemental focus cold etc... Then I watched this video and I guess I can start again...

[@MortismalGaming]

lol if youre gonna play on normal I wouldnt worry about it, or just play base arcanist even.

[@Beastdono]

​@@MortismalGaming I will actually be playing on core with the option for more enemies (and more enemy spells/abilities) from hard. I did beat Kingmaker like that, so shouldn't be that much of an issue, it's just that I like to play "interesting" (or maybe non-standard) classes/archetypes. But yeah, worse comes to worst, I will just pick a sorcerer and be done with it :D

[@xeticus5435]

With the new Corrupter Mythic Ability I would think the Assassin usable now right?

[@MortismalGaming]

Yeah they overhauled the class entirely, should be fine now

[@johnbubba1143]

1 type of character i wish i could play in this game. A wyvaran fighter spec'ed out for archery. it was what I was using in a carrion crown campaign recently. a flying sniper type. I had so much fun with him. I miss playing that tabletop game.

[@alexmichaelfriedman]

So as a newb who has never played pathfinder ( table top or games ) I just discovered in this video that I apparently chose a bad / “broken” class ( Eldrich Font ) and I’m now at the beginning of act 2! Wonderful 😂

[@craigstege6376]

Honestly act 1 isn't that long. If you're that bothered by it you can pretty rapidly blitz act 1 on like the easiest difficulty, then get to act 2 and switch back to whatever difficulty/custom rules you're using. This is unless you're after some achievement for a difficulty or some such.

[@MortismalGaming]

Honestly if you're just on like normal, it'll be fine

[@alexmichaelfriedman]

@@MortismalGaming :o OP! Hehe yea im just on normal. Honestly I was surprised with you putting it on the "avoid" list because so far i have not had too much trouble. I guess being on normal as you say means its fine either way for the most part.

[@21hares]

Encapsulates my biggest problem with WotR and to a lesser extent Kingmaker. The game's so unbelievably bloated with most choices feeling like traps because the game is 100% unbalanced. Like imagine a normal RPG with "Assassin" being as utterly useless as WotR... It just makes me too paralysed to want to try different builds.

[@kiltedwarriorgaming]

A good point, I have pondered the balance in Pathfinder or DnD based games and whether it’s better to keep to carefully balanced basic classes with a few sub classes or if broader options are better. I’m leaning towards the former.

[@Dalse3]

These are the reasons that there should be mods that could make those classes useful, like making the poisons ignore resistances.

[@Fixti0n]

It comes down to the fact that it is a video game based on an TTRPG, in the Pen and paper variant, the DM can compensate for your weak and useless class by giving you situations where it would be useful, like adding more fey creatures to the campaign, or having cheaper poisons and few enemies who resist it, and in the Pen and paper version, it does not matter if you are OP, as long as you dont overshadow the rest of your party and you all have a good time, then its no problem. In the videogame version, the balance is much more important, since there is no DM who can alter the game on the fly to accommodate your build, you have to build to accommodate the game, and as such, you get a meta game where having 6 monks on the back of a horse becomes to much stronger then anything else, dont need a healer, dont need a skill monkey, dont need a rock, dont need utility, just damage, and you cant get more damage then a monk on a horse.

[@jamesbudd437]

100% agree. What was the point of coding in 100+ classes if so many of them are essentially noob traps? Not to mention some of them still have bugs from release.

[@jamesbudd437]

@@goldeneyekiller101 So they wouldn't be fun if they worked properly? Ooooooooookay...

[@EotechSniperStudios]

It looks like Eldritch Surge might have been fixed in update 2.2.4p on January 18, 2024.

[@Barbell_Neptune]

Yep, new patch just dropped with a bunch other fixes

[@firstswordcorvus7368]

Just got the game on PS4, but not far enough to unlock the advanced classes. Though tbf, the game hasn't been out on console long enough for anyone to reach that point I think, unless you don't sleep, but even then that's a stretch. I know I'd like to try assassin on normal difficulty, it does sound like a bummer about the poisons cause the rogue archetype is my favorite play style besides magic and sword and shield

[@spartanpiplup6229]

Surprised the feyhunter wasn't on here, or at least mentioned with the druid

[@hydrax7131]

I think elemental witch would be very good to dip into ONLY if you got a hex at first level, otherwise nah...

[@Gubbykahn]

I agree the mentioned class/subclass are poorly done for Game but on tabletop they are fun to play

[@bboyValentis]

[cries in blood kineticist]

[@Slackarius]

Me, upon receiving my key back in 2021... Oh man, that's a cool looking portrait... and I main a frost mage in World of Warcraft... What's this, a Winter Witch? Oh man that sounds AMAZING! I can bypass cold resistances and have a frost beam like some kind of gimped kineticist? I'm in. Gets first mythic power, sees ascendant element. Dies inside. Continues to stubbornly play through on core. 300 hours later, completes the game. Mistakes were made. New roguelike mode has been absolutely fantastic for making me play things I normally wouldn't like my current shield bash squad.

[@lattekahvi1298]

My first character is an eldritch font arcanist and i 100% agree on this video and think that i made a mistake

[@Morhgoz]

They should also fix Stone Lord's "animal" companion thingie as in ttrpg you get the earth elemental as your bound option.

[@sensen9900]

What exactly doesnt work with Eldritch Surge? Because as Written you get either +2CL&DC or +2 Effectiv Caster Level not both... Or does the +2CL&DC not work correctly? Hard to tell for me by the Phrasing used in the Video. Also about Eldritch Surge, there is another Effect which is Missing and that is about the Fatigue. On the TTRPG you can only get rid of the Fatigue Status which you got through Eldritch Surge by Resting, Spells, Abilitys and such dont work for that.

[@MortismalGaming]

You dont get +2CL&DC like you're supposed to, you have to choose either CL or DC which every other Arcanist can already do at +2 with the potent magic exploit

[@sensen9900]

@@MortismalGaming Thanks for the Clarification.

[@paralysekid]

I think Hunter Forester is close to being on the list too. You give up an animal companion for basically nothing.

[@Gardelain]

I like the theme of the Forester, but it's really hard to argue for it. Especially with how strong Animal Companions are in the game. You know your subclass is among the most unpopular when one of the payoffs you get for trading the animal away, Breath of Life, that's supposed to only be cast once a day ends up being able to be cast an infinite amount of times and it's not been fixed yet.

[@Baraz_Red]

I don't recommend kineticist because it is way too efficient in relation to other class systems. They make elemental casters feel passé.

[@thegamerserpent4271]

It’s more like it points out the flaws and downsides of the Vancian magic. It’s why I hope mod support comes to WotR so I can have spheres of power

[@RKGrizz]

I have ~40 hours in the game but have never gotten to the tavern fight. I keep restarting due to frustration in combat. Do you recommend turn based combat?

[@jamesbudd437]

Some classes really shine in turn based so it depends what you are running with, but generally it is much easier to react to enemy actions, use certain class abilities and drop aoes in turn based mode.

[@duyas1628]

Yes

[@КирилКирилов-в1о]

Turn based makes combat info a lot more digestible which will help you learn why you are getting pounded.

[@RKGrizz]

@@КирилКирилов-в1о Im not really getting pounded, I am just not enjoying the combat of the characters I choose. So far I have tried the Magus, Paladin, Hunter, and Inquisitor.

[@93overlord]

@@RKGrizz maybe just drop the game? Early game is boring and until 7-9 lvl its kinda same - Melee, archer, caster. It starts with 3rd lvl spells and 2 mythic lvls - more abilities and passives give some differences. But the difference is pretty small. And if you play only as main char, and let ai do the rest - the game isnt become better. Its more strategic type of game. Wanna play 1 char get story - turn on story mode. Or sit with spreadsheet, but it didn't always help. If you play enough you understand how limited choice in feats - only class features will differ. Melee (with or without mount), archer, DC caster, ray caster all archetypes for feat choice. Dont forget limited weapon choice with highest base crit chances kukri, rapier, scimitar, falcion, fouchard - say thx owlcat balance team.

[@ishtarianauthor949]

So I just checked, and as far as I can tell, the witch, druid, and slayer archetypes you mentioned aren't even in the pathfinder SRD (which is usually pretty thorough). Essentially, it looks like they tried to make their own archetypes? Which went about as well as you'd expect. Hope we get that mythic poison ability soon. Also, druids suck regardless, except maybe the drovier, but only because it makes my fighters all run faster. Beyond that, it's also pretty much useless.

[@Kyrkby]

I think most spellcasters have pretty 'meh' spell lists except for Divine casters. You really don't have that much variety, most Evocations for example are fire spells and most endgame builds rely on Hellfire Ray. Pretty boring. Would love to see more cold/lightning spells to expand the list.

[@noukan42]

Druids being a bad class must be a Joke. Just the fact they can merge spellbook make them high tier even if they got bothing else.

[@shawngillogly6873]

I tried to make elemental witch work. Because Winter Witch would be fun RP. But it's the 3rd best Hexer in the party, and the ray isn't better than plinking with a crossbow. Which is bad.

[@MortismalGaming]

and winter witch, while a cool idea, isn't that great because ascendant element offers a better version of one it's main draws (50% cold resistance penetration vs 100%) which leaves it with basically just an increased caster level for cold spells

[@jamesbudd437]

Arcane Bomber Wizard is pretty bad because you can't get precise bombs. So you are essentially gimping your wizard progressions so you can friendly fire your own team with aoes.

[@dougalmacburnie8101]

And all to do much worse damage than just casting a spell with the slot you spend

[@Arrwmkr]

Damn i just got the game and decided to go for the assassin route. What's a good alternative?

[@MortismalGaming]

Slayer or Rogue

[@BarokaiRein]

Elemental witch with winter witch subclass and one level dip into Crossblooded sorcerer with elemental bloodline and draconic bloodline is actually pretty good. Really the only thing not worth anyone's time is Assassin, it's a prestige class that's just worse than whatever class you already were.

[@zemo2916]

The Assassin being this bad is just about my only disappointment with the game. I absolutely adore stealthy poison classes that debuff enemies. But even if you could use poisons on Demons would it really be that impactful to lower that Babau’s strength by 2 before you kill it in one swing anyway?

[@zebfirehd9102]

everyone stats are way to high anyways.

[@Consti00001]

Defender of the true world would be fine for Pathfinder Kingmaker.... i think its a relic path from this game.....

[@joshrathbun1616]

Sacrifice to the algorithm for this seriously under rated channel

[@sainttan]

Now I'm curious how they play for myself.

[@Malfus_The_Swift]

Can't help but feel called out. Lol I am literally running an Eldritch Font playthrough with 2 Vivi and 10 arcane trickster. Hahahahaha

[@MortismalGaming]

It's honestly still pretty good, it just doesnt really do much that a base arcanist can't already do because of the way Eldritch surge was implemented

[@Malfus_The_Swift]

@@MortismalGaming Yeah thats a solid tip. Honestly I may reroll with wizard. I honestly just picked it for the dimensional slide. RPing as a nightcrawler esq Asimar.

[@boo_]

Apparently, the latest patch (2.0.2c) fixes a number of spells for the Eldritch Fonts.

[@anomanomom239]

I do wonder if those "spells" include level 3 eldritch surge. Would appreciate the responce if you know. Could be a good enough reason to replay the game if they do include those.

[@oneupdawg]

Anyone have recommendations for good class for Unfair difficulty?

[@slipknotpurity00]

Instead of Assassin, play Knife Master. It seems pretty good to me, but I don't play beyond core, no idea on higher difficulties.

[@Zathurious]

Isn't the elemental witch a pre-requisite to the winter witch prestige class?

[@jamesbrice3267]

No, they just synergize really well.

[@MortismalGaming]

and winter witch doesnt do much Ascendant Element - Cold doesnt already do better

[@orelas167]

Eldritch Font I learned the hard way doesn't give you the Font of Power benefit, only its downside :(

[@brentlee082]

love your content not related but ever look at Phantom Doctrine?

[@MortismalGaming]

Not yet

[@fallenangel3958]

I'll try it all im here to have a bad time and some fun

[@bakuiel1901]

Interesting, I played a Mystic Thurge which definitely wasn't optimal though it did fine on core right until the last little bit. Did beat the Sphinxes dungeon after a lot of retrying but can't finish the game. Think I need to switch down to easy just to finish. And yeah I made Kestygor an Assassin and it was a big waste of levels, should have just made him a straight fighter

[@Zivilin]

MT requires going legend path to gain more levels.

[@bakuiel1901]

@@Zivilin yeah switched to easy for the last dungeon and honestly was too easy then but still it worked out

[@yomogami4561]

fair cop. thanks for the video

[@rockmeoable]

Hey Assasin got fixed by the new corruptor thingy!.

[@MortismalGaming]

Sure did

[@Thurium]

Yeah when i saw elemental Witch i thought it would the equivalent of Warlock of dnd but the ray is so weak compare to an eldritch blast....was sad

[@Makofueled]

I really wanted to make hagbound witch work, but with the bad base attack bonus combined with the fact your DC for at will bestow curse is just awful I can't see it being very usable.

[@leathermage]

Expected to see Kinetic Knight. This garbage literally makes you weaker in every aspect, without giving you anything. No metamagic, no infusions, no buffs. Worst option to pick in entire game.

[@友-16]

@@TheGXDivider the problem I have with KN is it feels unpolished. It's still playable (if base kineticist is S tier, KN is A tier) but it's missing features like kinetic whip, the attack animation shoots a blast at melee range(looks very awkward), and the a.i. is sometimes wonky compared to normal melee classes.

[@rayhidalgo5465]

And the trade off is being able to wear armor, which you can do with all the other archetypes anyways.

[@leathermage]

@@TheGXDivider Can't see why you don't pick simple Kineticist, and take blade infusion, because every other subclass of kineticist you can do that. BUT on kinetic knight you lose metamagic - losing your damage, you lose infusion choices - less utility, and you can't build like melee character, because outflank and so on doesn't work with kinetic blade. As I said, kinetic knight makes you worse in every aspect. There is no second point of view or other opinion, kinetic knight is worst class in the game.

[@gabrielloehleurbanohe6396]

I've got the impression that most archetypes are there more because of roleplay than actual mechanics

[@kaidorade1317]

Poor Druids. They always get shafted. “And speaking of useless “… haha

[@chadgamerchad]

Bro It's five in the morning, did you schedule it or did you wake up at four or what? Did you stay up all night? -Regards Chad

[@MortismalGaming]

I schedule videos to go live at 6am CST

[@erikskoog8415]

Good show sir😂

[@Flagonborn]

Aww, I really like elemental witch. Its the only thing that has even remotely something like a "scaling" cantrip without mods.

[@Flagonborn]

In a game where you will theoretically always have another hexer (Either Cam or Ember) I feel only having 6 hex choices is a fair trade for an infinitely useable ray attack t

[@MortismalGaming]

If the ray attack did more damage maybe, but the odds of being in a situation where casting a weak cantrip is better than just using a better damage spell are quite low without how available resting is.

[@grosslittlegoblin1358]

Im glad that there is actually something more useless than my archaeologist bard, trained to Loremaster.

[@Tamnier-z2f]

Assassin was such a disappointing choice for me. I always love playing rogues in CRPGS but imagine my surprise when I sneak up to a monster and see... death attack Immune, poison immune. Such a waste of potential

[@icedragongamemaster6797]

But, but....I have an Assassin. Fuck!

[@icedragongamemaster6797]

Just kidding. I play in story difficulty so I have no problem with the battles.

[@DSzaks]

There are way more than 5 bad classes in the game though. Really a ton of achetypes fall into that giving up way more than you gain category.

[@JohnnyTightIips]

It seeks like it would barely take any effort to add in a mythic feat to bypass poison resistance, shame

[@daneiltherat2327]

Toxtitcian subclass for Mesmerist Actually,don't play that Archtype period.

[@onatgz]

free comment.

[@tomgormam402]

Why is Dragon Desciple absent in WotR?

[@dieptxt2008]

Imitator should have some abilties to apply the stances simultanously just like Hunter with animal focus, as it is now, it's just too weak compare to vanilla Slayer.

[@ManamuneAnada]

*Me theory crafting before EE* Please don’t put Winter Witch

[@MortismalGaming]

Honestly, there aren't a lot of good cold spells in the game, and one of the winter witchs main class features is made useless by ascendant element cold (which is better) still a good option if you want to use cold spells though

[@worldview2888]

The LAST one Slayer (imitator) is the WORST .. as a Slayer you score one of the HIGHEST Melee critical damages in the ENTIRE game. That class is a complete loss in my books ................... (Slayer is my favourite class because it helped me to complete the game. I am not deep into the mechanics of this game and dont understand as deeply as Mortismal but i created a 2nd slayer in my party using a mercenary.)

[@nodot17]

elemental witch sucks? shaman winter witch it is then

[@joearnold6881]

Bummer

[@Kyrkby]

Holy shit the Assassin is so freaking bad. Even Death Attack is awful because its DC is pathetic against most enemies you're fighting. You're far better off just stacking DC on Phantasmal Killer or Weird.

[@ataridc]

good shite bruv

[@artesslior1806]

Classes you shouldnt play unless you want to spice things up and be weird from a personal RP point of view. And use mods to make them more interesting. But yeah those you listed are pretty worthless,

[@KingslayerSrb]

If these classes are so bad, why are they in the game at all? Owlcat doesn't seem capable of understanding that "more" does not always equal "better"

[@MortismalGaming]

Because the game is based on the ttrpg and a lot of them are just added in, plus as I mentioned some of them are workable on lower difficulties where their efficiency isn't make or break.

[@Empress-Missy]

My god I actually restarted my game to be a sorcerer because assassin sucked.