Killing Floor 3 | THIS MIGHT BE A DISASTER!

[@Cinnablon]

As soon as they said: "We're going for something more mainstream" in the anniversary video, it was over.

[@EcchiRevenge]

mainstream, according to bf2042 devs lol

[@madmonty4761]

Its over is comedy

[@Rahnonymous]

Did they completely gloss over the massive flop that was Overwatch 2? That game was mainstream and still flopped, this franchise is niche, there's no chance they'll financially recover if they go down the same route

[@raven75257]

​@@RahnonymousI agree, but that's a bad example. OW2 did not die because it tried going "mainstream", it died due to many other reasons

[@Rahnonymous]

@@raven75257 I didn't say that, you assumed I did. My point was that not listening to what your fanbase wants is how OW2 flopped. And if a giant game like that can fail, there's no chance KF will survive if they go down the same path.

[@LynxRecruit]

This isn't killing floor anymore. Its just floor.

[@nazbol1141]

I'll stick with playing Killing Floor 1, like that santa map during christmas times.

[@D-N-0]

nah. its just "3"

[@DrQuagmire1]

more like "Precision Floor 2", actually!!! especially since those dumb bastards not only nerfed the Berserker (one of my favorites to play as after a long day as work), but you also got those same elitist jackasses who'll kick any player playing as the said perk (even if that person is good at it) and also kick out good Firebug players as well. And to just to make things even more hilariously bad, those same jackasses even bitched-and-moaned about the Gunslinger (a precision-based perk, nonetheless) having 25% movement/sprint speed at max-level. and it's shit like that the main reason why I rage-quitted that game, which was a legitimate reason in my opinion.

[@kibayaiba3893]

All the perk and class is gone, replaced by superpower and all the real weapon is gone replace by Nerf gun that means there are no more AK 12 AA 12 RPG Smith & Wesson 500 old iconic weapons from the first one and the second one of the game is gone

[@madmonty4761]

​@@kibayaiba3893it is a fucking gameplay trailer no shit it doesn't show every weapon

[@ScalyTomate]

100% they went the whole """specialist""" route to bait DLC purchases. I can already see the announcement: "Hello valued customer, I see you're enjoying Mr. Foster with his Commando-style gunset playstyle situation! But what if I told you that we just found this guy called Strasser from the previous game who has a whole NEW set of guns?!!!?! Buy now for only 25 lovely american dollars!"

[@Jonahv10]

or maybe even a dlc which makes one character be specialised in a different weapon set so you can basically pay to have the functions from KF 1 and 2...

[@theforgeryttv6449]

Exactly this as I've been saying the same thing. The hero class system is going to be milked to no end.

[@wailingguitar4964]

Oh shit don't forget that there's going to be some specialist's who sucks ass but will have a hole catagory of weapons collecting dust

[@patrickalexanderlucasvande4214]

where did you buy your time machine ?

[@VincentRoyceMorgan]

That and also character skins will also be limited to that "specialist" too, so you won't even be able to wear your cosmetic choices all the time.

[@honkers112]

"We had a good thing going tripwiuh". But in all seriousness for the love of god tripwire change this while you can we wanna play killing floor not overwatch

[@Rahnonymous]

Thought I was the only one thinking about this scene. They had it. It was perfect. All they needed to do was make KF3 and they would've made mad dosh. But their pride and ego made them think they could take Overwatch's place after Blizzard's blunder. "They just had to be the man."

[@BigBHole69]

Waltuh

[@paskudne]

Mmmmm yes, everyone loves specialists, every game with them is incredible success. Especially if there was proper classes before that. I mean, who even need that boomer bs amarite?

[@tsumetai3440]

this is going to be a " payday 3 " disaster again. welp, i guess i'll keep playing killing floor 2

[@maboilaurence8227]

The similarities between Tripwire and Overkill are insane, they have been going hand in hand since 2014,and now they are both doing the same mistakes with the third installment in their series.

[@tsumetai3440]

@@maboilaurence8227 i didn't follow the dev but, i can tell that killing floor 3 will not be a " killing floor " game after i heard their video about going to be " hero shooter " based. honestly, i really enjoyed 1 and 2. kf1 being my childhood memories. and yeah, it is quite sad about this information

[@madmonty4761]

​@@tsumetai3440deep rock has done this formula vermintide has done this formula in the vast sea of good things this game shows like advanced enemy AI a better gore system more involved movement etc you ignore all of that because choosing to be a bitter hateful soul is far better than being positive

[@madmonty4761]

​@@tsumetai3440also your profile picture is pure cheeeks

[@raven75257]

​@@madmonty4761 " just consume product, don't ask questions"

[@Heinz19946]

i hate the idea of not having perks, kinda kills the DNA of the game

[@drunkbunny94]

But you still have perks. The only difference now is when you pick a perk it picks your character and ontop of having a different grenade you have a tactical ability. Compared to a lot of other things in the trailer the perk/specialist system change is so trivial.

[@Six_Gorillion]

@@drunkbunny94 what u smokin mate they said you cant buy guns that aint for your character. thats limiting your options for literally no reason. Only reason any dev does this is so you have to pay for new dlc "characters" which is no more than a bundle of guns so they can charge 25 plus bucks for it. It's a greedy sleazy move.

[@drunkbunny94]

@@Six_Gorillion I hope you can see the irony here... Heinz: we aren't going to have perks. Me: theres still perks - they're just just tied to characters. You: nooo I can't ignore the perk system by offperking anymore! I can see why people dont like this decision, you can't ignore the perk system anymore by offperking weapons to make up for a perks weakness - like buying a SMG on sharpshooter for trash. But by removing that variable the devs should have an easier time balancing weapons since they dont need to think about another perk using them. I imagine crossperk weapons will be gone as well for a similar reason. I am also worried about the monetisation model. I get that they need to make money but holy, KF2 was scummy as hell.

[@Leaked1ndex]

​@@drunkbunny94 I don't want to play as a female character, its good the option is there for other people in kf2 but even with male characters I only have 2 I like and would rather stick to playing as. I don't understand why they needed to tie characters to perks.

[@drunkbunny94]

@@Leaked1ndex Even if KF2 didnt have any characters you liked - you still would have played it because the game was good. The maps, the zeds, your guns, how the zeds react to getting shot, chain CCing them, the satisfying sound of ReU, the massive explosions throwing limbs everywhere - thats why you play for. Character customisation is like a cherry ontop of an already good cake, the cakes still great without the cherry, but if the cake sucks the cherry isnt going to redeem it - and KF3's cake itself has issues. Its got to be manufactured outrage, i just can't imagine long time fans of the franchise (making them 25-30yo+) being this mad over something as trivial as how their gloves look in an FPS.

[@reilynn7891]

You know, the whole time I was playing KF2, I was thinking to myself "I hate being able to use any perk with any character! I wish every perk locked me to a specific character whether I like that character or not!" Thank god Tripwire is listening and really giving the players what they want!

[@flippy211]

dont't forget buying weapons outside of your perk, hate that!

[@connoro462]

It's as if everything is gradually losing it's identity. Like I'm seeing the DNA get sucked out from corpse.

[@madmonty4761]

I take real joy in everybody collectively shitting on this game that I think looks pretty good

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

@@madmonty4761 Kim K's cheeks look pretty good shes still hollow, vapid and empty looks are often very deceiving

[@timothyadams4477]

Been happening since the first game when they went more sci-fi futuristic with KF2. It feels like Quake to Quake 2 all over again. Quake 2 had great mods, but a shitty theme and feel compared to the original.

[@madmonty4761]

​@@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKKbesides the class thing I see no problem with the game

[@Ivan_Chernov_STLK]

Took your time respawning brother, welcome back

[@PathfinderBoi]

Ye my teammates suck at holding E to revive

[@Ivan_Chernov_STLK]

Your teammates need a little bitchslap motivation then bud, but hey,you think kf3 will be campaign focused?​@@PathfinderBoi

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

@@Ivan_Chernov_STLK no absoloutley not in a million years cant extract ALL the money from that

[@Ivan_Chernov_STLK]

​@@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKKjudging from the maps in the gameplay footage, they are giving a very campaign ish vibes,but eh wouldn't mind a campaign mode for killing floor,the mod from the 2000s was pretty good so yeah,but apart from that I hope they don't change the arena survival because of new players

[@burnsZY85]

The devs can't be this oblivious to this hate, hopefully they change things.

[@epicwolf7698]

Hopefully we can do to them what the greater Internet did to the Sonic movie

[@torvovenator]

@thatonedude6247 if killing floor 2 is an exclusive to epic games store?

[@Dragonfury3000]

They won't just lose hope and stay with the classics

[@4x13x17]

​@@torvovenatorNo, but they did get so much money to the point it can be considered bribing

[@Kasuar-s6v]

payday 3/starbreeze says hello

[@basicallybacon2593]

"Im kinda optimistic about it" From the creators that brought you the HRG Weapons.

[@timothyadams4477]

Balancing the game around these ultimate powers is going to ruin one guy soloing the round when their teammates die. The game will be throwing too many enemies at them in anticipation of 6 ultimates going off per round.

[@djtrac3r935]

Bro, they can't be this oblivious, NO SPECIALISTS. Multiple characters is fine, but restricting weapons to their own characters? NO! If they refuse to listen to player feedback, this game can't be called Killing Floor, as this system they are implementing changes the entire games structure and turns it into a different game entirely.

[@Spokenword]

Why not? If it reinforces perks having actual strengths and weakness (like in KF1) instead of the KF2 was of "everyone can do everything" then it could work.

[@Leaked1ndex]

We are talking about characters, why do you have to tie perks to characters? ​@@Spokenword

[@ZxChrono]

Guns SHOULD be tied to your Perk. Its stupid that the Tommy Gun is better on a Commando instead of SWAT.

[@Slenderneer]

@@ZxChrono Isn't the Tommy gun tied to the Commando and Swat perks, though?

[@kfchickeniscool]

@@Spokenwordbut just taking away power from the player is terrible👎

[@jujupants2486]

RIP Tripwire. Was fun while it lasted. Edit: They have at least acknowledged that they have fucked up, so maybe there is hope. I won't put any stock in it though until I see some tangible change.

[@die66666]

;( i cant take this anymore...

[@timmy6402]

Is that why they delayed the game till early 2025?

[@jujupants2486]

@timmy6402 I would hope so. If you can believe their social media posts about them "hearing" our concerns. Of course, Arrowhead says the same thing about Helldivers 2 and how they hear us. They just don't care. Hence why that game will be dead when Space Marine 2 comes out in less than 30 days.

[@pichmunirom]

Tripwire basically ''Hold my beer" to Back 4 Blood.

[@inkdreaper874]

I get the feeling B4B will be more successful than this

[@clumsypootis6726]

They managed to disappoint on every aspect, the article reveal they were planning to lock perks into characters just drained all faith from me. Killing Floor is not a pvp game, so locking perks for silhouette recognition is pointless. Would just introduce more problems; Can you not drop and pick up off-perk guns? What about random gun spawns? Medic pistol as an ofc perk for supplementary heals? No more niche combos akin to the axe + double barrel jump from kf1, it's all over now 👿

[@johnny2598]

Also it looks like we won't be able to pick medic pistol to heal team mates .

[@astronautist4716]

All perk drama aside. The no off-perk weapon thing is a deal breaker for me

[@michaelfagan1575]

"Subject to change" we can only hope tripwire. Thats the most promising thing you put in the trailer.

[@grannde_]

Killing a floor a 3 looks like it’s gonna be very different in a bad way they lost their identity I hope they make it more like kf2

[@kathytoohey4240]

That’s agreeable, loved how kf2 bloats were and husks were, best versions ever, Avon although a pushover was my fav

[@xenwolf1681]

Pathfinders alive?

[@PathfinderBoi]

Oyaya

[@D-N-0]

Nah, this is patriarh reanimated his body into the zed so he will discourage us from fighting his children

[@D-N-0]

(i commented this like, 20 minutes after release, but youtube definitely send me to fuck myself) nah, its just a zed made by patriarch to discourage us from exterminating his creations in new instalment

[@Crash3525]

M. Bison: "Of Course!"

[@bokute2020]

Not killing, just floored

[@Polo-038]

more than 4 years "developing" killing floor 3, having said that "they were going to return to the roots of the saga" just to follow a trend? Leaving aside the lie of "going back to the roots" they only need to announce different editions with exclusive characters for each one and that would be another nail in the coffin. with the fact of removing the classes just to bring a system of "heroes" with unique abilities... at this point I don't think they will bring the perks system of kf and kf2, I guess when they say that some things can change I imagine that They refer to animations or weapon balances, not to an entire system that is already confirmed. A clear example would be the weapon upgrade system in Killing Floor 2 which we all hate but they didn't even take that into account and moved on. It's funny to think that the futuristic style of Killing Floor 3 is what veterans of the saga most dislike, and that position goes to the gameplay... 9 years of waiting just to get a game that follows trends. I guess the graphics will look pretty...I guess

[@happybunny2529]

I'm guessing the original dev team that made KF1 and KF2 have left so this new development team is taking it in a direction they think is "better".

[@Polo-038]

@@happybunny2529 I believe that the original team is still there because the animations, although a little harsh, show that they have work behind them. The problem is the lead designer who is the one who guides the project to where he considers the best for the game, the development team only follows orders and it is a shame but I think they can still make adjustments so that it is not so disastrous.

[@Rahnonymous]

Seems to me like this was a decision made to appease the shareholders.

[@raven75257]

The only thing that is missing is damage numbers, honestly. It looks nothing like killing floor

[@johnny2598]

Embracer ​@@Rahnonymous

[@spongeaa]

if the specialists have a pick limit like ow2 then kf3 is dead on arrival

[@happybunny2529]

Yeah, not surprised they are taking KF down this route. When they announced KF3 I was kind of excited, until I remembered what year it was. Man, we can't anything anymore. I will always remember the dark times this series got me through, and it was fun while it lasted.

[@Gamer_In_Yellow]

Specialists in a game like this will only remove features we know and love from KF1 and 2. Cross perk weapon builds? Cant do it anymore. Dropping a weapon to help someone out? Nope. Using the character you want with the Perk you want? Gone. Switching perks mid-game to adapt? I doubt it. I'd trade the Overwatch Ultimate away any day to have those features back. I hope the community makes enough noise to change this before launch. (yay weapon modding though)

[@ivan_says_hi]

From everything I've seen and read there is no reason that the ultimate abilities couldn't have just been another peice of equipment that you could buy between rounds. We literally have the drone in KF2, just make it follow your character around now 🙄 The backpack sound cannon thing which we saw in the trailer could have also been an exosuit that you bought between rounds. This is stupid. Massive L from tripwire.

[@exquisitedelusion3925]

Cash grab specialists, “Ultimate” charges, and restricted weapon choices. For real?

[@timothyadams4477]

I wish they'd go back to the feeling of the original Killing Floor. It's was so dark and grimy. Had a way better horror/silent hill look and feel coupled with the corny but awesome voice acting. The new stuff is more like modern doom like you said.

[@unfrogettable9495]

I was holding out hope for KF3 after quitting KF2 during the whole paid weapons fiasco and the whole issue with the CEO at the time. Now I see this franchise no longer has anything for me, I'll just stick with playing Monster Hunter I guess, at least that game respects the player-bases preferences. Pathfinder I really think you should branch out and do other content, you don't deserve to be bound to this series and I think given all of your experience with making content would be better used for other projects. If that's a new channel or a rebrand I don't know but if I was in your shoes I would diversify.

[@geroldgrimel4811]

2:50 The Zeds in the back, are standing around waiting for the kill animation to finish... God help us all...

[@flippy211]

that scene looked sooo wrong!

[@TinyGreyOwl]

I remember finishing animation in KF2 trailer as well. It's not in the actual game so... there is some hope for DOOMWATCH 3.

[@KUPSMusic]

This limits the creativity that the games previously have done. Gone are the days you can flex your skins and be whatever character you wanted to be regardless of class. I want to mention this reeks of the recent Payday 3 game failure, it had a similar "ultimate" mechanic (and modernized gameplay) that was a glorified death machine/grenade launcher from call of duty. That and there was too many core changes that turned players away. Wonder if this game will be the same.

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

PD3 failed because it didn't work for a hot minute, missing so so so much content and is just unfinished, buggy and an inferior product to PD2 some mechanic didnt kill it hahaha, it was the lack of everything else, no offline mode, complete lack of content and explanations, meta weapons and more

[@KUPSMusic]

@@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK I'm not saying a single mechanic killed PD3, it was a numerous amount of things that killed it. I'm just pointing out this one similarity within both games. Saying it would be interesting if this ends up flopping as well.

[@selfelected3832]

Well, it's obvious now, the devs have never listened to the players. You have the whole edar thing They lied about that it takes no time at all for them to take them out of the game they just refuse to They try to take out reload cancel They nerfed the Berserker multiple times. They lied about pay to win weapons. They refuse to do about hackers and cheaters and, yes, I ran a server there are hackers in the game. They refuse to do anything about the people who come to the game making hateful remarks about somebody's ethnic background. I've had friends who quit playing the game because of harassment So what have they done other than kill the Killing Floor?

[@Addrum]

Weapons: "We are gonna let you play with it the way you want!" Perks: "Nah, you can use only weapons tied to your class now and you can't use the character you want, they are now the class themselves. Enjoy your specialists"

[@noble231YT]

Lets be hones nobody play shotguns if you no are suport or survivivalist

[@MomsRavioli]

@@noble231YT Hmm yes, lets cherry pick.

[@flyaviator7864]

@@noble231YT That's not the case. Mained combat medic and would have a shotgun to clear the area when things got dicey. Mainly the hz12 multi action due to faster reloading thanks to the magazine.

[@SuperSpyMario]

All this time we waited for a sign of life from KF3. Only for this to drop. I think I hear the heart rate machine flat lining. Get the reviving shockers TW please, KF3 needs them now. Welcome back Pathfinder. It was boring without you.

[@brumeargentee]

Where is my Rae Higgins? i want my Rae and i want her to be able to choose all the perk. Dafuq is that specialist thing?!

[@itriyum]

Specialists are gonna be a huge issue because perks being locked to specific characters means if you want to use that perk or ability you will be forced to use a character you don't like. Developers are so out of touch nowadays. BF 2042 was doomed and failed for that same reason... And we know specialists are just added to sell their outfits on the store. I mean we already had that but I guess it feels more "personal"? I'll remain optimistic and think it's not gonna be as bad as 2042 since both are totally different games.

[@bunnythehutt2148]

God I hate modern gaming man. Why do companies feel the need to fuck over successful formulas just to be "modern" when all it does is kill your game? Was so hyped for this game, but now there's no point till someone mods a proper class system into the game, assuming they allow the workshop this game. EDIT: Literally the more I watch the video the more I realize killing floor 3 is dead on arrival. The only thing they have going for them is the art design. It looks amazing and I personally love the futuristic design of the game, but that's the only thing they have going for it.

[@LikesToArgueOverNothing]

I can tell you if I am going to be forced to play A character just to be the class I want I'm not buying it.

[@ConnorTheDJ24]

This is like taking away jumping from a Mario Game or even taking away a time limit from a Dead Rising game.

[@cocopeanutbread4558]

I feel like something that was failed to be mentioned that using the "specialists" format also makes it x10 easier on Tripwire to further monetize the game. Adding new characters to that game would be atone to new weapons/(lame) abilities that only these new characters can use making some sort of a paywall. Then if Tripwire really wanted to even (tho its not really in their history), they could even make a battlepass and completely get rid of the drop/crate system (which is nowadays, an 'outdated' system if brought to console) to both focus the drop of new characters (like in ow) and for easy cosmetic money for Tripwire

[@Ttran778]

Hot take: I would rather pay $75 USD for a completely remastered KF1, than whatever this excuse for KF3 is supposed to be.

[@die66666]

god that would be heaven. one could only dream of a remastered kf1 ;(

[@SirIsaacClarke]

Can't wait for Pay Day 3, Killing Floor Edition.

[@DarkWestern]

Maybe I'll be Tracer....

[@hawk458]

The devs are insane

[@thunderveir]

For me if KF was like say TF2 or OW2 from the start, the specialist thing wouldn't be a problem. But when you have a franchise that's always been do what every the hell you want from the start, its not a good change. I do kind of like the idea of giving the player an ultimate like mechanic, but that should be tied to a perk or you could choose wich ever one you want. Also with the slower gameplay, I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say that's normal mode, not HoE. But it's still really slow. Can't really give an opinion on that till they show us more. I just hope they revert the specialist system and I'm good. I play with every perk constantly but have been on Mrs. Foster since I started playing 4 years ago. Also, what happens if you want to switch perks during the trader time? Are you just fucked till you die? Or are you stuck as them for the entire game? Overall I still have some faith, but that specialist thing really was shot in the gut for my hype for this game.

[@BreadApologist]

Well safe to say I won’t be bothering with kf3 at all. Specialists sounds cringe af, based on other things mentioned here,is it really worth being excited for weapon modification? If they screwed the other shit up so bad, can’t imagine how god awful that will become. Could end up as bs greedy dlc, “market” items where ppl charge 500.00 for virtual items. Id probably still watch pathfinder play it though. One does not simply not watch pathfinder killing floor videos.

[@flashn00b]

Considering the direction that KF2 took in the years leading up to end of life, my biggest concern with Killing Floor 3 is Tripwire quadrupling down on pay-to-win. Thought it'd be a reasonable compromise to add a crafting system where weapons could be acquired for free through a slow grind, with in-app purchases being a way for whales to skip that grind. Yoshiro's response to such an inquiry on the official Discord was a hard no

[@elster333]

its funny to me how game devs are so completely out of touch now. how did they think that that is a good idea in any sort of way?

[@robertweekes5783]

There are several issues with overhauling the perk system: switching to specialist characters means you either can’t have 2 of the same perk/ class in 1 match, or you’ll end up having 2 “Mr. Fosters” in 1 match? Just stick with the perks and customizable player models

[@TheConpletionist]

Welcome back Mr. Gyattfinder

[@PathfinderBoi]

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

nice profile mane hahahahaha Girard lookin big sadge there

[@hawk458]

​@@PathfinderBoi😂

[@torvovenator]

Not a fan of the specialists, I want to play with my norse viking metal with any class. I hate overwatch, the damage they did to other games, I dont want heroe shooters, look how battlefield 2042 went to the sewer.

[@jordanjones8390]

If they just wanted to add exotic perks and unique stats to characters instead of being a cosmetic, I'd be hyped about that. But removing the perk system is mistake. It's a huge staple of the game. Hopefully they'll reconsider that.

[@alexd281]

Pathfinder, I noticed Tripwire just added a poll to the Specialist megathread after number of us had rocked the boat so to speak. With your audience, I think there is a good probability we can sway the team to give us back the classic perk system. Not sure if calls to action are your thing but wanted to let you know in the case you could help get the word out. Lmk if you need the link! Thanks!

[@PathfinderBoi]

You didn't have to give 10 bucks for that man, thanks! Ye throw me the link lemme check it out, got a vid planned for their new video on kf3, will probably throw it in

[@alexd281]

@@PathfinderBoi hate to break it to you but the poll was apparently non-official yet players voted overwhelmingly to revert the Specialist changes. In any case, I think this ordeal will make for some good content in your upcoming video!

[@PathfinderBoi]

@@alexd281 If it were official... It would have made an impact, unofficial polls usually don't do anything.

[@EBOLAtheBalanceMaster]

Stop it with the "futuristic" vibes. The reason I liked Killing Floor to begin with was the unsettling nature of the first game, which felt more like an apocalyptic survival horror where you had no chance. It doesn't feel like that anymore. Now it's just another action-based game. There's no eerie feeling when going to the trader or fear of getting jumped out of nowhere. I even overextend to see if it changes anything, and it doesn't. The ambiance is not what Killing Floor represented (i dont know if im the only one who feel like this). Please, someone give feedback to the devs.

[@inkdreaper874]

Killing Floor 3 is going to be a cash grab disaster

[@Hermia_Scarlet]

I was so fkn hyped when the very first KF3 teaser was dropped (Fleshpound). but then seeing the gameplay recently, I am speechless in a disappointing way. I love KF since childhood but god damn it how can they ruin it like this. There is no creativity and uniqueness anymore. I am still trying to stay optimistic as much as i can because if they make mod support better than in KF2 i think it would be fine cuz mods keep games alive and make them better. It's a shame it came to this but we will find out once it releases. Anyway welcome back

[@Jay_JayJoestar]

DO NOT PRE-ORDER

[@Smeelio]

I'm hoping that Specialists are really just Perks by a different name, because that's what it sounds like, we're just losing some customisation (which does suck TBF); it's like, if I wanna use the flamethrower, I'm gonna pick Firebug, I'm not gonna play Support and still try to use it really. Now I just can't pick Scully or Foster, I have to play one specific character, that's the only downside; but at the end of the day I'm still choosing "character with fire weapons and fire resistance", especially if there is still a big variety of weapons within each specialist/perk. I guess they're building on how in KF2 each character will have special lines for certain weapons; Strasser going "ah, the M79..." when you pull out the grenade launcher for example. Same with "ultimates", I guess it's kind of like how certain weapons are your big power weapons you pull out every so often, rather than being the one you use most of the wave; now instead of Sharpshooter buying the M99, they'll have an "ultimate" to take out big threats instead, I guess. It might end up being better this way, if we still get multiple weapons and grenades and stuff, and then ALSO a special ability; more stuff to play with on each character. The one thing I'm REALLY worried about is cross-perk weapons, and off-perk weapons; will they return at all? I am still wary they'll try to make it TOO hero-shooter-like and ruin it, don't get me wrong... I'm just trying to be optimistic. Speaking of optimism, I'm hoping the trailer being slow-paced is just because super fast-paced gameplay might not look great in trailer format, since they wanna show off the cool weapons and enemies and special features rather than overwhelm the viewers; the movement options in the article make me hopeful the actual game will still be pretty quick, especially if it IS Doom 2016/Eternal inspired, since those games are also pretty fast. Also on the bright side, weapon customisations! We've wanted these for ages and we're finally getting them! Sidenote, that article mentions an Engineer specialist/perk that has "sound cannons", so my bet is that's Scully! Also, new Scrake looks sick IMO, but I don't really like the new Husk much yet. EDIT: oops just looked back at this comment and it's really long...

[@The.Lone.Wolf.]

Yeah and all the futuristic weapons look like trash. So disappointed.

[@spirit4416]

guys , (remember, no pre-oders)

[@Carnax6969]

The only thing I want to know, which will determine if I buy the game or not, is how much egregious monetisation will be implemented in KF3? Locking future perks/characters behind paywall, battle/season passes etc. Whilst games don't have to find the newest and latest innovations, they just taken mechanics from other games without seemingly adding a unique flair that would make people think "Ah, that's the TripWire flavour right there".

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

it will be KF2 levels and worse

[@theforgeryttv6449]

I'm calling it. Exclusive monthly memberships to get non-restricted access to premium hero classes that have unique loot-boxes and skins tied to them.

[@fojisan2398]

Betcha 50 bucks it's gonna have a battle pass

[@johnny2598]

KF2 will look like a joke near KF3 in terms of mtx. Now they'll sell you specialists.

[@Thedefenses]

For ultimates, ehh, we will have to see how they play out, might be neat, might be a nothing burger or might be a "i win" button, hard to say this early, not really against it as the last rank upgrades for the perks in KF2 are kinda similar, big thing that enables you to do something you normally can´t or do something even better, so for example a demo having an extra spicy RPG shot once every 2-3 waves that kills any special, sure but we will have to see. Locking weapons to "specialists" or classes as everyone calls them, honestly why? in this case the franchise has had the "everyone can use everything but this perks does it way better" style and there is no real reason to change it, "ohh we can make the weapon fit the perk better" you could already do that, most weapons are shit when used by a perk that dosen´t specialize in that weapon. Execution animations, we will again have to see, might be fun, something that´s forgotten fast or a gimmick that´s hard to get to work, we will see. Weapon modding, sounds great, having the choice to make a sniper a bit better at hipfire or shoot a bit faster or have a different scope, sounds great. Specialists, just why? They bring nothing in the case of KF, perks and characters have always worked fine, you pick the perk you want and then the character you want, there is no reason this late to be locking things to a specialist system, if they had done it from KF1 maybe due to it being a franchise classic then, many characters would have an identity as the firebug or demo or commando and so on, but in this case i don´t really see any reason for it, i don´t hate it as i have always felt the characters in KF are more about some small flavor and the small amount of lines they have, kinda like a "choose your voice pack" style, but they have never held that much importance, just a dumb choice.

[@Bear-kb4kt]

Unpopular opinion:: Weapon mods (Weapon extensions not User created content) Should not be added into the game

[@-dmm]

sad part is all these changes were most likely for monetization reasons which is what makes me even more annoyed. Another game that hasn't been released and everyone knows the fate of this game when it releases

[@Narezaath]

I hope the finisher is just "get off me" Zed repellent after being grabbed, but that's probably the smallest complaint.

[@exorias625]

and like that......killing floor is dead so many years.....gone i swear they hate money

[@ZxChrono]

Guns SHOULD be tied to only specific Perks. Its stupid that the Tommy Gun is better on a Commando instead of SWAT. If that gun sucks for the Perk then fix it. The Specialist route though is not the way, i rather keep the Perks and just improve on what is wrong.

[@brujoofthepatch5218]

Man learning about this a few days ago made my heart sink, its just a wack ass marketing thing. Character skin bundles and no longer universal cosmetics.

[@BungieStudios]

I don't mind the Zipline mechanic. It's the type of stuff you'd see in a modded map with custom scripted escape paths. It's the characters cemented behind perks that annoys me. Plus some weapons suck without their perk benefits.

[@johnthetactician]

Looks like this game is missing the John Gibson wisdom and direction

[@BungieStudios]

I like to rotate between characters and skins but I have no desire to purchase characters or skins for perks I never touch. Guess they don't want my microtransaction money.

[@qpholyqp]

Hm, I wonder if this "specialist" system is just a set up for different type of microtransaction? Like in 2 we had free new classes, but now it gonna be locked behind paywall? Not cool at all. And ultimate abilities? I understand that they might be trying to spice up the old mechanics of KF, but it's just doesn't sound right.

[@Six_Gorillion]

This is some oldass board member demanding mechanics be put in the game from bestsellers of 4 years ago. Hence COD specialists and owerwatch ults. There is no further thought behind those design decisions. Only money. They think this is "what the kids want".

[@mishimposble]

Thanks Dracula

[@POKENAR]

So when Hero Shooters are dying due to constant failures, they decide to ditch the system that made the game popular and pivot to the dying system? really?

[@madmonty4761]

Is vermintide a hero shooter is darktide a hero shooter is deep rock a hero shooter?

[@LexiLex912]

​@madmonty4761 no those are games based on coop with CLASSES that have jobs to fufill in the team roles,none of those games have "ultimates" either

[@Metal_Invitine]

I know I'm a bit late but ever since I saw the redesigns of the ZEDs after being so used to how they evolved from KF1 to KF2 my hype for KF3 pretty much diminished. Maybe I'm not "mainstream" enough but I personally felt KF2 kinda fell apart after EDARs became enemies and never was into Robo x Flesh body horror, I get some ZEDs were like that in KF2 but the game knew when it became too much and it never felt like the mechanisms were overpowering the visceral-ness of it (the ZEDs feel too DOOM-y for my liking). The general gist of "gameplay" shown seems cool (in a vacuum) I guess, I don't get why the ZEDs just kinda stand around instead of rushing you, personally do not care for glorykills in KF3 and don't understand their addition to the game if they don't offer some sort of buff or i-frames. I didn't know about them apparently removing perks until this video and I'm really now just not looking forward to KF3 at all ngl.

[@PeteSaJut6499]

TBH for me the visual design is kinda cool, i love that the zed do look like they have been upgraded, because at the end of the day the zeds are manufactured as death machines, so its organic they would become or at least get more cyber upgrades, and it gives a vibe of war clones whcih thats what they are, but im just disappointed form the specialist path, also what if someone has a mr foster? can another perosn pick that character? are we locked to one character per class? i love dhow in kf2 each character had different voicelines that would suit whichever perk you wer eusing

[@markusreed5447]

I just realised with the Special Ops/Classes and probably not being able to pick up other "Classes" weapons it's gonna real fun to buy something like a Railgun with all your Dosh only to die and then not be able to get it back via a teammate or reaching it in time before it despawns

[@banditdoggo]

Its looks like easy mode gameplay. Hopefully hell on earth will bring the rapidity

[@Hibo_44]

Bruh.... please no fucking specialists.

[@Tiger_Simple]

If they really cared about community feedback, they could take out the specialist system, turn each specialist into its own class like before, and then make each specialty ability into an active utility that can be chosen before a game starts for the class. For example, commandos would have a normal perk tree with the option to select between a sentinel drone, Stoker vision, or the ability to force a Z time event.

[@stepoface]

I mean like they just renamed the system, removed the options to buy off-perk weapons and in exchange added options to customize the weapons, and also now there is some speacial ability at the single push of a button (which mainly looks bad becouse the ui makes look like its some ultimate ability from a hero shooter, which I hope is not and is much more reserved). Other than that it looks cool, but I hoped that it would return to the gritty horror theme of KF1 where the monsters looked like they were clumsly put together, you could tell that they just replaced Scrakes hand with a chainsaw, so you could imagine it happening to you in some dirty run down house, you could feel the pain and terror the patience went trough when he was being experimented on. The new ones look refined and perfected, their humanity gone, nothing to symphatize with anymore. But nothing inherently wrong with the futuristic direction. 👍

[@JustA_LiteralPotato]

man.. finally.. you had me edging the entire time.. and the moment i saw that noti from you i finally mmmmmphhhhh

[@porpouis]

Wtffff 😂😂😂

[@ightimmaheadout290]

You know its bad when Pathfinder comes back after a 4 month hiatus

[@V1nce16]

I remember when they added the EDARS in KF2 and all kind of futurist weapons, a huge majority of the community was pissed about this change. And what are they doing for KF3 ? they made it even more futurist, Zeds, weapons, maps and they switched from perks to specialists. I was very hyped by the game before those gameplay videos, but not anymore :(

[@BoozeGoon]

hero shooter alert :(

[@needformead2947]

I think everyone needs to chill out, all we have to go off is an ability that cools down, and it’s not like you’re playing as reindhardt using a giant hammer and massive shield it’s a drone on a cool down lol… everyone is freaking out about a drone on a cool-down. Gamers are massive babies that cry about everything, just glossing over the fact this game is in a pre alpha state and a full year from release almost. Killing Floor 2 had probably the most simplistic and terrible perk system that I’ve ever seen in a game, but it wasn’t even the main focus of the game. The main focus of the game was killing hordes of Zeds at varying difficulty and upgrading your equipment with cash. I think the developers should be commended for trying something new and expanding the tools you have to deal with a now increased amount of zeds. Everyone just needs to chill out and let them cook, this developer is more than capable of putting out a solid shooter and y’all forgot.

[@bakashinji]

Big facts man. I understand people being skeptical but we all need to wait for more information and see some real gameplay

[@chimkinnougat6692]

I've missed hearing "Pootfoonder." Good to see you back.

[@jellyfishnexus3132]

I always wanted Killing Floor to be more like Overwatch! - Nobody

[@madmonty4761]

Seems to be more like darktide but sure

[@porpouis]

​@@madmonty4761and Warhammer Vermintide too, now that I think about it..

[@heibk-2019]

Honestly from this i dont see much of a different between the classes and the new characters, just that they are now also gonna change how you look and your voicelines..

[@dudleyboy]

If we bully them enough, it can be changed. I dont want to be locked playing 1 character for specific guns. DUMB.

[@butteredbiscuits1]

specialist system just feels like a bad idea to me flat out. im okay with the zeds being how they are and as for people thinking theyre too slow - this is a trailer, they want it to be understandable. if they showed zeds moving at hell on earth speeds, it would be hard to understand and probably nauseating with how many jump cuts they used. also, zeds move that slow in killing floor 2 on normal difficulty lol

[@schamritzel1814]

Nice to see you again

[@p25eet]

In my opinion, they're doing the specialist thing to give characters an ultimate and make them different because they're not in KF2. Also, my guess would be that you can have only one perk/character per lobby

[@rumproast8643]

My only complaint is the complete evaporation of zeds when hit with explosives. Completely ruins the point if they just “disappear”

[@LarenCyr]

There is a reason why i dont play overwatch. They need to bring back perks. this specialist isnt going to work in my opinion. May Tripwire see their error before its too late

[@citizenofhyrule]

the zipline can be a good addition if its somewhere in the corner of the map with nowhere to go, where you kite the zeds and find a place that you end up cornering yourself in, its a get out of jail, not free card, since husks can still snipe you. i hope they just have intelligent level design. i want real guns, not into scifi ones unless supplemented with the classic shootie guns. fosters voice is garbo and i hope this isnt a thing across all characters, but ruining his voice is a crime in of itself. clearly they're gonna release more purchasable dlc characters for you to access new perks. and cull down on the previous microtransactions but shovel in something more malicious what i previously mentioned. im constantly being reminded of how alan wilson talked about killing floor 2 about the development of guns and how they played. before the game released and now nothing but radio silence and a random stream of him playing killing floor 1. he didnt drop anything cool about killing floor 3, things just kinda release unceremonously as the game reaches its release eventually the fact they release teasers, if we really dont like it can just make a stink about it and see if that makes them change course. repeat this across everything kf3. remember, your opinion as a consumer matters.

[@TheZilo77]

I guess it's a hard room to read because the KF series is a bit niche and thus the audience is smaller, but... It sure feels like they didn't even bother LOOKING at the room, let alone try read it. That said, I'll try to be positive here: It's not too late for them to undo the specialist and weapon-lock stuff. I'd like to imagine that seeing a large chunk of their fanbase revolt at these ideas could stir them to make changes, or at least be aware that they're going to release a game into a review-bomb shitstorm. I forsee a decidedly "Mixed" review score on Steam for the game, personally.

[@rhyder61]

I'm not so sure this is going to be as bad as you think. What i'm seeing is that you will have "Commando" characters and the upgrades will be weapon based. Example, you put all the time and effort into upgrading your microwave gun, and then you pick one of the Firebug characters that you feel like that can use the microwave gun. One character may have augment the Microwave gun to deal burst damage, while another would have lingering burn, while a third would have passes through enemies. I honestly don't think the ultimates are going to make/break the game though. It'll probably come down to a panic button that you probably forget to use unless you're getting gangbanged in the corner by some QPounds and daddy FPound. The big part I'm more disappointed about is character customisation. I love my cyberpunk berserker Skully.

[@Redmont_]

yall are overreacting with these changes ''oh no its overwatch'' ''this aint killing floor'' come one people lets be real and not get stuck on their nostalgia minds

[@baka_reo7442]

Killing floor 3 is taking risks with borrowing mechanics from other games, it's really not uncommon. Most games in today's gaming industry are shifting there styles in an attempt to bring more players. Honestly I feel like tripwire should be playing it safe and try to keep there core audience satisfied but I suppose playing it too safe would likely make the game stale as it would not add anything to the game. Guess it's one of those situations where we have to wait and see, my fingers are crossed.

[@sirorlandodecorsica6210]

I watched the gameplay trailer and thought it looked like it played like KF1. Then I saw this vid and now I am back to square one and left KF in the trash.