Patria AMV | Finland's triumph over other big western producers

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[@LeccareNewHandle]

And now Japan has made an order. They know quality when they see it. I hope there will be a Marimekko collaboration for them.

[@lattekahvi1298]

Marimekko AMV :DDD

[@tuplaluusto]

How about Moomin themed AMV? :D

[@lattekahvi1298]

@@tuplaluusto I thought about that but Tove Janson was a pacifist so it would be disgraceful

[@kami67]

@@lattekahvi1298 fuck what tove thinks

[@tehokotkat]

Exactly, Marimekko and Moomin can do defence greatly. Tove or no.

[@2serveand2protect]

HEEELLLOOO from POLAND! :D :D ...GREETINGS FINLAND and WE JUST FREAKING LOVE IT! (...even when we call it "Rosomak"! :D) You can "craft" that thing into anything you want! .. a "classic" APC or "troop-carrier" - you put a turret on, you turn it into an IFV, a "comm&command" vehicle (there's space enough on it for additional electronics) - an ambulance if you like - a scout vehicle (it's surprisingly FAST & AGILE) - you can arm it with a gun and mount "Javelins" (or equivalent "Spike"-missiles) atop - you can cross rivers with it to estabilish bridgeheads, you can put a heavy mortar onto it with additional ammo for indirect fire-support missions - ANYTHING you want! It's probably the most universal platform I've ever seen (though I've not seen that much!) - and (once again) - it's the ease of production/flexibility/reliability but most of all - its SPEED & AGILITY that struck me above all, so - once again! - BIG THANKS & BEST REGARDS! ;) :)

[@Maysti87]

I did enter to finnish army just when we got XA-360 and god damn they are cool, we even had thermal camera at the crew section so you can exit venichel safely

[@HanSolo__]

Finnish Patria: - How many the AMVs would like to manufacture, and in which versions? Polish Army: - Yes.

[@stanisawdebski8897]

Poland 780 Rosomak Green Devil Afganistan Rak motar

[@HanSolo__]

@@stanisawdebski8897 In all versions the number of Rosomak platform passed 1000 a year ago.

[@HCforLife1]

@@HanSolo__ exactly

[@karbengo]

The double barrel mortar is the most badass thing ever.

[@janne9034]

The loader must use two hands, sheesh.

[@Ounouh]

@@janne9034 I'm sure the automatic loading system will do fine. Even with zero hands.

[@VonArmagedda]

AMOS sure is a dope ass system

[@jonesijones]

There are 2 loaders, one for each barrel

[@efz629]

@@jonesijonesWell no. There´s Loader and Assistant Loader.

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

Croat soldiers ran into an IED ( improvised explosive device) in their Patria in Afghanistan. The explosion was so strong that the vehicle "flew" into the air and crashed onto the roof. There were minor injuries of soldiers, but no one died. So much about Patria AMW. We should build more, at least another 200 pieces.

[@MrAatami]

And that was one of the huge selling points for them back in the day. If it's the same thing we are talking about then pictures of the aftermath were used at marketing and it really looked like there's no way people survived.

[@kresbes7240]

Yeap, we need to build more of these and mount a Oto Malera 76mm turret on them. The rapid fire gun can unload 60-80 rounds per minute. Perfect for SHORAD that we need to aquire. DART ammo will provida anti air capability. Vulcano ammo will provide indirect fire ability. Tbere is even APFSDS ammo.

[@tommiturmiola3682]

Patria has a 6x6 vehicle coming up. This is not a variant of the AMV but more like a modernized version of the Sisu XA-180. I think the main point of it is the improved armour.

[@_puz_913]

Ne laži,Hrvatska nikad nije bila s patrijama u Afganistanu,kao prvo.Kao drugo Poljaci su jedini koji du doveli patrije u Afganistan i jedna je bila pogodena rpg druga ied.

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

@@_puz_913 Nas će učiti klinci gdje smo bili. Super

[@are3287]

BIG thanks to Poland being a huge partner for the success of this AMV. If only the Finnish military itself would order more of these.

[@MKitchen75]

maybe these day they will order more since the pressure.. you know where

[@Thecapper-c8f]

Served on the AMV in the Swedish Army. Real workhorses! Good comfort and spacious - really well liked among the troops. I just wish we had more than a 12.7mm MG on it. You can fire NLAWs from the troop hatches tho - always something :)))

[@petter5721]

Sweden has the most advanced versions of the AMW in operation.

[@Thecapper-c8f]

@@petter5721 I very much doubt so

[@kk-gr3ly]

@@petter5721 They purchased the AMVs over decade ago so it's not the newest XP version.

[@herptek]

@@kk-gr3ly Advanced enough though. They don't seem to be very unhappy with it.

[@Thecapper-c8f]

They are god tier vehicles for what their job is. Getting guys to the fight, ambulance, leadership and recovery.

[@ggtt2547]

Referring to the cold war as the "first cold war" is so ominous, but i guess also rather fitting for today's world...

[@Tunkkis]

The Middle East kind of has its own cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[@GilmerJohn]

It's quite accurate. Like it or not, BJ Clinton, Hussein Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Brandon did everything they could to re-start the COLD WAR. They pulled it off.

[@kessu27]

Stalin/Gorbatshov, what did they learn? Now Putler, so sad.

[@harri9885]

Great video! I hope the Patria AMV gets as much success in the UN as her predecessor, the XA 180/203 Pasi did.

[@peabase]

It's too expensive for that. Also, UN peacekeepers can make do with less protected and capable vehicles. Been there, done that.

[@harri9885]

@@peabase It's true, but one can wish. The Sisu Pasi XA-180 and later 203:s were a mainstay of UN troops for a long time.

[@peabase]

@@harri9885 Don't I know it. We were shot at in them and we played bumper cars with the Israelis in them.

[@attesih]

@@harri9885 There is also Patria 6x6 which is all new but look similar to Pasi. Its more suitable for UN missions and its cheaper than AMV.

[@fennoman9241]

@@attesih I hope they can get 6x6 in country, the 100 and 200 series APCs are showing their age.

[@christianpethukov8155]

This video was a good watch, highlighting the export success and versatility of the AMV. Also, Slovakia has also selected the vehicle for its army.

[@HoretzYT]

you mean our corrupt politician got a bribe from this company because 4 years before one patria was 500,000 euro cheaper than today (?), nonetheless we could construct our own BVP's in Slovakia which would be a lot cheaper, even the ammunition is the same caliber but this Patria is 7 times more expensive which means less ammunition for soldiers to train means less experience with these AMVs

[@peabase]

@@HoretzYT The cynicism is strong in you. Finland doesn't look kindly on corruption.

[@HalloN1989]

@@peabase Thats because he is wrong. The vehicle from 4 years ago is not the same as the one offered today. The project was called Vydra and was modified original AMV. What we are buying now is AMVXP with slovak turret, canon and czech electro-optics...Also the price from 4 years ago did not include several items the current one does + 4 years of inflation and suddenly 10% price increase is not so strange...

[@christianpethukov8155]

@@HalloN1989 Wow, just saw these comments 2 months later. Didn't realize there was so much controversy behind the purchase.

[@HalloN1989]

@@christianpethukov8155 The controversy was regarding the transparency and conduct of the previous government not Patria though. eg. MOD did not include electronic and optic systems in the cost assesment and order proposal and claimed ridiculous 80% involvement of slovak industry, etc. Now when they are in oposition, they complain the current order is unfavourable...

[@Tiax776]

It was selected by the Japanese Defence Forces to replace the Type 96 APCs.

[@Alistajaupseeri]

Background music was obviously carefully selected, nice job.

[@manuelteixeira2496]

One of the best in its class today.

[@SoliFer90]

nice touch with background music, Jäger's march :)

[@herptek]

What could possibly be more patriotic?

[@steelem422]

I thoroughly enjoy your videos thank you for taking the time

[@assarstromblad3280]

The video starting at 2:55 is from the regiment where I served about a year in the swedish military, among other things, I was a radio operator on one of those patria AMV:s. (Called Patgb 360 in sweden). Great vehicle, very comfortable in terrain.

[@Zarobien]

Finnish Defence Forces got 62 of the XA-360 variant and 18 of the XA-361 variant, so reduction from planned 100 to 80, but 18 more AMOS systems, witch are also manufactured by Patria. Theres also Patria 6x6, witch is same generation as this Patria AMV, but more like the original Pasi. FDF ordered 160 of those with Latvia, who ordered 200.

[@petrusinvictus3603]

You have knowlidge I have alcohol! Kippis!

[@edwardfletcher7790]

Finland are going to be another awesome NATO member, welcome to the team !! 😆👍

[@HalloN1989]

Slovakia has cancelled the Vydra projcet based on the AMV and is instead getting the latest AMV XP, most probably with KONSTRUKTA remote turret. Contract to be signed by end of 2022. EDIT: It has been quite difficult to find what exact armament will the Slovak AMV have, but it will in the end be a Slovak turret by EVPU - Turra30 with a GTS30/N autocannon(by ZTS Special), which is licensed 2A42 adapted to NATO 30x173mm (it has been in prototype stage during trials). This turret and more importantly canon was an additional request by Slovak MOD as a cost saving measure to the 2 finalists (AMV+Pandur II). Both canon and turret are domestically produced and the russian ammo variant of the cannon+turret is currently in use in modernized BMP2s, Slovakia has currently. Here is the same turret with Bushmaster II mounted on Czech Pandur II. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKS2YZummtVpl7M According to the MOD the advantages besides domestic production over other offered turret+canon combo were Price(50% saving over BushmasterII on the same turret) and weight. The disadvantages were lack of protection on the turret (weight compromise) and inability to reload under armor.

[@josip-anic-333]

Croatian Patria with 30 mm cannon has also Spike rockets for anti tank combat and new ones are recently orderd for uprade from Elbit system who makes turret.

[@jt.wojcik]

It was very detailed. Good job. Thank you.

[@RJM1011]

A real shame the UK turned this down and that AMOS would be GREAT for the UK as they got rid of their tracked 105mm guns sometime ago you don't always need something as large as the 155mm gun and the AS90 which the UK only has now to use. Thank you for the video and thumbs up. 👍

[@hisredrighthand5212]

Afaik, one of the four modules the UK has so far ordered for their giant Boxer fleet is a mortar-carrier module, developed and built by RBLS (Rheinmetall BAE Land Systems) in Telford. Though I have to admit it doesn't look as cool. Basically the roof opens on the back of the boxer and a crew of four starts frantically dropping 120mm shells into the semi-automatic launcher. But according to RBLS it features a fire-control system with "automatic target acquisition". In any case, Britain will have plenty of those. And there are so many mission modules for the Boxer, some of which are the result of decades of development work. Like the RCH 155 artillery module, which is basically a fully automated version of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 - don't google it, it's incredibly ugly. But it only needs a 2 man crew that doesn't have to leave the safety of the driving module, can fire 9 155mm rounds per minute and apparently is even able to fire accurately as a PzH 2000 while on the move. There's a bridge-layer module, a 105mm gun module, the Skyranger 30 SHORAD module with it's own tracking-radar and an AHEAD-autocannon. Pretty sure the UK has made the right choice.

[@granola661]

Had the honor of being a commander of one of these with 50 cal MG 👍 magnificent beasts

[@dawnsparrow4477]

Too nice video about( Patria AMV Finland 🇫🇮 designed Armour vehicle and video clearly explains its background designed and its successful characteristics thanks ( detective weapon) channel for sharing this wonderful video

[@louisr6560]

Germany is also going to get Patria 6x6 as a replacement for Tpz Fuchs alongside Boxer as it is not amphibious.

[@RJM1011]

Yes a real shame the UK turned this down as it is amphibious and the Boxer is not yet we were told here in the UK that we were getting Boxer because Russia is a threat to Europe but Europe has large rivers to cross along with more lakes than other places it might go ?? Thank you.

[@85daniel]

@@RJM1011 U can have good armor or an amphibious vehicle but not booth. And I think the amphibious skills are overastimated. There are only some parts of the troop which really need them like reconnaissance units. For the most other a better protected vehicle would be the better choice. In Germany the pattria become the behind front taxi for e.g. electronic warfare. And the modular system of the boxer is really cool!

[@khaldrago911]

Nice vid! Them Scandinavians sure make some good kit! Thanks for doing this.

[@crispyglove]

Finland is a Nordic country but not Scandinavian.

[@ristusnotta1653]

Calling Finland Scandinavian is like a punch to the balls to us

[@fennoman9241]

@@crispyglove half of Finland is in scandinavia.

[@peabase]

@@ristusnotta1653 Not really, but it's a sign of ignorance.

[@ristusnotta1653]

@@fennoman9241 not even half, the north west corner of Finland

[@TheDerperado]

AMV has all around protection for 12.7mm, not just 7.62mm

[@zepter00]

not in amphibious version

[@mukkaar]

Depends on version.

[@Uinuja]

A very nice video. Bonus points for the appropriate background music. Thanks.

[@Sir_Godz]

love the amos variant

[@riccardogemme]

Video suggestion, I guess. Considering that it's already very present in Mediterranean fleets and that since the US Navy is adopting it as well it will soon become one of the most ubiquitous ship designs, it would make sense to make a video on the FREMM class frigate and its many variants.

[@henrygrey346]

I was lucky enough to get a 6 month ride on the SISU PASI XA-180 while serving in UNIFIL, Lebanon in1996/7 as a member of the Force Mobile Reserve. Some were fitted with prop-thrusters to assist traversing in water. Strong reliable vehicles. Our driver was one Cpl Timo Kossila of the Finnish Army.

[@kk-gr3ly]

Not only assisting but to make the APC amphibious.

[@henrygrey346]

@@kk-gr3ly ok smart Alec...

[@Abdullah-mn6sw]

It looks clean and futuristic but also like classic vehicles.

[@dimmazeen]

I expect to find space marines from Aliens inside

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@@dimmazeen I was thinking the exact same thing! 😲

[@dimmazeen]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 whoa it must be troo

[@DeltaStar777]

Just love these, commanded a platoon in Bosnia -94 and it served us well even if we got some scratches. Very reliable.

[@kk-gr3ly]

That's little bit impossible since the first AMV prototype was built in 2001.

[@DeltaStar777]

@@kk-gr3lyWe had the 6 wheeled version (think it was called the XA180) with a 12,7 HMG

[@kk-gr3ly]

@@DeltaStar777 The XA, aka PASI, is a completely different vehicle with a completely different manufacturer and designer. Though the new 6x6 by patria is basically just a modernised and reinvented PASI.

[@dimmazeen]

@@kk-gr3ly Well not completely different manufacturer since Sisu Defense is predecessor company of modern Patria. Sisu Auto decided to leave defense business and military vehicle parts of Sisu joined Patria. Now Sisu is back to armored vehicles with Sisu GTP.

[@Leffe123]

Driving the amv is a really cool experience, it does over 60mph, 50 x country.

[@skat5268]

The Nordic countries really come up with some cool unique military aircraft, ships, and vehicles. Just think what the Ukrainians could do with one of those mortar carriers.

[@GumMonster1]

😂2:18 it's a mud drift king, that's how Finland won so many hearts with this vehicle ❤

[@pona61]

Hyppää ritsille 😍🇫🇮 Slava Ukraini 👍

[@habahan4257]

Good analysis.

[@TurboImpaler]

can you also do a video on the VPK-7829 Bumerang ? quite similar design with different capabilities.

[@WeaponDetective]

Thanks for your interest. We have added the Bumerang to our list. We will make a video as soon as possible.

[@agentmonde1]

8:58 it seems like the SA Army is still pushing for the Badger as there were badgers being used last year at the divisional exercise.

[@aceofhearts573]

There is a competition in Japan between the Patria and a home grown Mitsubishi IFV. I think Mitsubishi will win but the Patria is a very well made vehicle

[@aceofhearts573]

I am from the future. Patria actually won and beat Mitsubishi

[@Tiax776]

@@aceofhearts573 It will be built in Japan and most likely it's going to use a Japanese engine.

Excelente video! Parabens!

[@Tinblitz]

00:11 "The First Cold War" Oh.... that kinda hit like a truck...

[@RTmadnesstoo]

Very well done video! Thanks.

[@mikadsu]

When ever you use names like XA-360 or even worse BOV-P12,7 You really should have it as a text on the screen. Makes it much easier to follow and understand.

[@olivierpuyou3621]

Hmmm, we French are not very good at collaborating with other countries. Pride? Stupidity? Nationalism? I do not know. But almost every time we have withdrawn from a European project, the result has been remarkable. The VBCI for example is quite escepyional, the Rafale is just as much, the Leclerc is currently the best tank in Western Europe. So yes, we don't do anything like everyone else, but maybe that's the French exception. And thank you very much for this video of a vehicle that I knew absolutely nothing about. Thanks a lot. Currently the negotiations with Germany for the construction of a new sixth generation fighter are in the process of sinking and as a Frenchman I find that very good. We don't need fritz to build planes, tanks or ships.

[@oneautumnleaf9293]

First of all, absolutely not out of stupidity. Almost everytime? Kind of questionable. Amx-30 was worse than Leopard 1, Leclerc absolutely is not the best in western europe, Leopard 2A7V is better, M1A2 sepv3 is even better, but ok, Abrams will be in eastern europe. Leclerc has some nice features and some advantages over Leopard 2, but overall Leopard 2 design is better, in terms of armour protection especially, where Leopard 2 has huge flaws also. (Don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean Leclerc is bad mbt, its still one of the best mbts in the world, just not enough to be on top.) VBCI is definietly good, but i am afraid not better than Boxer in most cases and its not because your country couldn't do better designing VBCI or anything like that, its just because of the requirements. Boxer is much better protected and has much better armament (is much heavier also), because VBCI must have been able to be transported by A400M. Like always in the military design, something for something. Rafale is hands down better than EF2000, there is a reason why countries are buying pretty much only F35s and Rafale. It's the best european designed fighter aircraft, EF2000 is a meme. BUT i wouldn't be so happy in your position about FCAS. I belive French aviation industry is superior to German, but new 6th gen aircraft needs tons of money, in fact, French and German money combined wouldn't be enough. There are only 2 countries in the world that can handle the costs of developing 6th gen aircraft alone, USA and China. And only 1 of them have technologies to do so, USA. Finally, yes, you absolutely don't need fritz to build your planes, tanks or ships, but you can learn something good about land platforms from Germany and USA, especially USA, and there is nothing wrong with learning.

[@0plp0]

Not true. You collaborated wonderfully with Germany during WWII.

[@kaamoshaamu]

Leclerc is fine tank indeed. But best? Far reach, it's optics/fire control systems are out of date compared to leopards. It's heaviest armored one though, but it doesn't really matter anymore.

[@einar8019]

@@kaamoshaamu leclerc has pretty bad armour, its worse than the armour of a 2a5

[@pawekobylinski4634]

Doing anything with Germans is no good because France has totally different needs. You have very significant army designed for small wars in Africa. Germans has no army and don't want to have one so they are only thinking about foreign customers. There is many of them so it''s always one size fits all, no good for anybody.

[@cyberarchitect9280]

Well such a great video! The wheeled military vehicles as topic for me like a chocolate cake with so much extra chocolate! But let's see the Patria. And let my analyse this wonderful vehicle for me, and please correct me if I'm wrong. Well let's clear something in my view smaller and weaker countries like Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia or even my country Hungary shouldnt force the use of MBTs, or just in a very limited number. Why? First: the Leopard2A6 cost about 5.6 millon €, the Leopard2A7 is already cost 13-15 million € (This is more than 5 billion HUF), and we haven't talk about other maintenance prices. Just the fuel, you have to move a 60+ tons tank with 70km/h , you roll to the petrol station once and you will be the customer of the year immediately. So for the smaller armies the wheeled vehicles would be great alternative, to transport our troops and give them fire support againts MBTs more over they could use as tanks. Okay it's a bit crazy but there is the Rooikat MTTD or the allmighty Centauro B1 and B2. They design to be Tanks. And you dear Detective called it as Wheeled Tank. To be honest I hate to use this phrase because usually 7 year old kids use it for every Armored Wheeled Vehicles. But in this case it was the 2 best words to describe it. The B1 variant which is still worthy is 1.6 million € the much modern B2 variant cost ~10 million € but it is not the proper price, because I calculated it from an Italian 1.5 billion € pact which is inculding 150 units with additions and spare parts. But why am I talking about it? Because in my opinion the Centauro family and GTK Boxer are the best wheeled vehicles in Europe or even in the NATO. And there is the Patria AMV almost as advanced as the GTK Boxer but cheaper. Not to much cheaper only 210k € the difference. And both of them used by 7 countries. But why would be the AMV a better choice than the GTK. To be honest I am a great fan of the German one. But if I think as a politician, the AMV is great because the Finnish love to cooperate with me, like with the other countries. They let me to produce the vehicle in my country to create new moduls for it. And because I produce it locally, the cost of the transportation isn't a problem. Well in case of the Rheinmethall, I'm not sure about they would cooperate on this level. And both vehicle modular, and the AMV has 120mm turret version and maybe the Rheinmethall would create a Boxer with a 120mm turret if a country ask them. But dear Detective I have quarry abot this. I just thinking, in this scope of duty could be a modular vehicle which is planned to be everything that a Wheeled Vehicle could be, as good, as that one which is design to be a tank, a wheeled tank? To end my brainstorming. The Patria AMV is more than a great vehicle, it is a great choice and a lethal weapon. And it has dignified look. And the match of the GTK or any new Generation armored vehicle. Thank you so much for the video, you gilded my day with it. Have a nice day Detective!

[@Kenny-yl9pc]

Why has evey video of yours varying degrees of volume? From one moment to the next the volume increases or decreases somehow. Would be great if you could improve on that so that the volume stays always the same and stable. Otherwise great work!

[@torillatavataans711]

1st Cold war is usually referred as time period between 1947-1948. This is not the cold war you are talking about in your video, I assume?

[@WeaponDetective]

We define current period as the Second Cold War.

[@torillatavataans711]

The second cold war ended in 1992. ?@@WeaponDetective

[@samihukka4490]

The AMOS turret... That mot..fuc... is a real deal!!!

[@TheDerperado]

Finnish AMV has a crew of three (driver, gunner, commander), not two.

[@pipopoikapelaa5468]

Probably meant the crew with out the gun.

[@TheDerperado]

@@pipopoikapelaa5468 Possibly, but Finland does not have any AMV's in service without a gun turret.

[@iilimato18]

@@TheDerperado I was going to say the same thing about crew of three. Because he said "The XA-360 variant of the Finnish Army...". And didn´t mention anything about Nemo only Amos.

[@TheDerperado]

Im a gunner in XA-360 and it is possible to command AMV from the gunners seat and operate the weapon system at the same time. It's not easy, visibility and situational awareness are poor when compared to having a separate commander. I have done it myself in one exercise quite succesfully when our commander was sick, but AMV is definetly a vehicle for three men crew.

[@iilimato18]

@@TheDerperado I was the commander, and yes you can lead the vehicle from the gunners seat but you don't have the radios there. Also like you said you can't see anything else than straight forward plus what you see from the screen. And there is no monkey head at the commanders position, so gunner/commander would not be so great.

[@2serveand2protect]

PS. ...DAMN! ...I HATE those "you-tube ads" randomly "popping in", each time something interesting's being shown!...

[@andrewruddy962]

Very interesting . Thank you.

[@SuperKamaki]

PERKELE!

[@michaelmulligan0]

Be interesting to see how cost compares to VBCI and Boxer

[@PrivateSusi]

Dunno about VBCI but - Patria AMV XP 5.9m€ a vehicle (for Slovakia), 447m€ for 76 vehicles - Boxer 7.6m€ a vehicle (for Slovenia, deal cancelled due to missing equipment required within price tag), 343m€ for 45 vehicles

[@onix8784]

U should make a video about the av8 gempita👍

[@peltimies2469]

Ive been inside this thing whern its speeding (it was the 6x6 variant, not 8x8) and trust me, its comfy.

[@marek.f.1495]

Super odcinek 👍👍👍👊👊👊

[@banana-bunny]

They were also tested in Japan

[@notme9816]

Kongsberg owns a significant part of Patria, and Patria owns a significant part of Kongsberg. And now Finland and Sweden are in NATO. Nordic brothers stand together.

[@lindsaybaker9480]

The AMV35 lost out to the German Boxer for a Calvary reconnaissance vehicle but the boxer is having problems. The AMV35 would have been a better buy.

[@lindsaybaker9480]

This was for Australian army by the way.

[@dimmazeen]

What problems Boxer has had?

[@kk-gr3ly]

The AMV lost because of the turret and how outdated it was iirc.

[@Sombody123]

@@kk-gr3ly Apparently not for Japan, which seems odd if that was the reason.

[@nodarzaldastanishvili8910]

BRAVOOOOO.... PATRIA.. ❤❤

[@nodarzaldastanishvili8910]

SUPER... PATRIA.. ❤❤

[@kalma999]

Well explained video.👍

[@xXfallen827Xx]

Why did you include videos and pictures of the Stryker lol

[@kk-gr3ly]

Where exactly?

[@duhni4551]

Stryker is stripped down Patria

[@Kyyryilijä22]

Is there any bad products in Finland?`That`s the most sexiest thing i have evers seen

[@davidjacobs8558]

I heard Finland imported South Korean K9 tracked Howitzers. Why didn't they just import K9 turrets and put them on this Patria chassis ?

[@duhni4551]

Bit too heavy for it =D

[@kk-gr3ly]

Way too heavy for the chassis

[@miskaknapek]

Tracks are better in mud and forests than wheels.

[@danielpopa8728]

You forget Romania! We are using it alsow

[@kk-gr3ly]

I think you meant that the Romanian army uses the Piranha V not the AMV?

[@danielpopa8728]

@@kk-gr3ly and the difrence is ?

[@danielpopa8728]

Ty ! My bad, not the same like i use to belive. Ty one more time

[@percivalpina3050]

KTO Rosomak variant is ideal for Philippine Marine/ Philippine Army

[@dragonstormdipro1013]

Can you do TATA WhAP one day?

[@annamaria-pv1fw]

great content

[@marekzalipski6904]

As for Rosomak there is a problem consortium producing 15% under license since 2000,s "assembling of parts" ... without the knowledge of the government signed the papers for XP versions that cost 15%-25% more. Anyway our improvements after Afghanistan cost us by licenses a lot "replacement of turret drives etc.etc. And the knowledge regarding improvements after went to the Patria so for our uprgrades we had to pay and ask to make them .... This is the end of this design in the Polish army we go with Korea and modification of the White Tiger maby joint venture??? The spell of bitterness was the turret for which we overpaid in components by 20-60% to this comes unification with Spike ....................................................................................................................................................... ZSSW-30 exept MK44 is Polish product so we dont have to care about jerk bussines of Patria and Leonardo :)

[@kk-gr3ly]

So your government signed an agreement on a completely different version of the vehicle what was originally planned after which it was decided to upgrade them without local knowledge to do so and then thought the upgrades would come free from patria? I don't necessarily agree with patria's way of dealing with their business but that sounds something the polish government is responsible for..

[@marekzalipski6904]

@@kk-gr3ly To be accurate it was under the nose of the government one of PGZ's subsidiaries probably Rosomak S.A. signed a paper with Patria for the production of AMV XP aka Rosomak XP ending the Rosomak production capabilities after we produced the last 70 chassis what is in the current license they are ending the old model want to make money on the new one. The problem is that neither the army nor the government was asked for permission and PGZ is a government company ... Patria counted that we will pay extra then they will earn nothing ;) 70 zssw-30 will be on these the rest probably in the future on the Polish-Korean wheeled armored personnel carrier. Rosomak will ride in the Polish army for 10-20 years and then they will go into reserve or we scrap them.

[@kk-gr3ly]

@@marekzalipski6904 So a private defence firm signed a deal with patria to produce AMV XPs for the polish army without the governments approval? What on earth is going on in Poland?? So let me get this straight, a defence firm signed a deal with patria to produce XPs and stop the old variant's production line, which resulted in patria not willing to give out a new license for the actual polish army to produce the old AMVs?

[@marekzalipski6904]

@@kk-gr3ly This is a conglomerate of state-owned arms companies ... Private is "theoretical" in 70% check Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa on Polish wikipedia and use translator Shareholders Ministry of the Treasury - 40.10% ... so GOV Industrial Development Agency SA - 28.92% joint-stock company of the State Treasury... GOV again Polski Holding Obronny Sp. z o.o. 30,98% Currently, Polski Holding Obronny owns 31% of shares in Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa SA, the national defense industry concern. Polish government holds many industries as property see Orlen KGHM etc etc .... Now you understand the problem ???

[@marekzalipski6904]

@@kk-gr3ly Some idiot signed documents for the production of a new model without asking permission "i wonder why" ???? :) and then at a higher level someone embraced what happened and how much it will cost so they end the topic. It,s in a nutshell

[@TrueChell]

It's so good. We Finns only got a couple of them. :'D Instead of more these, we still have those btr:s in storage. And thousands of green toyota hiaces of course. :'D

[@jessemanner6343]

Couple? 😆 do you know coverment cooperate with patria and patria is one company what is largely financed by the Finnish government.. I have in served in psvk and there is storage where is those armor vechiles.. Finland got over 2500 armor vechiles and couple they use with army and rest of those are in storage

[@kk-gr3ly]

@@jessemanner6343 I think he's referring to the AMV and not all of the armored vehicles.

[@formatique_arschloch]

Btr:s are long gone and scrapped and I haven't seen a hiace once while my 20 years of working at the FDF.

[@lacai527]

Customer: I want to buy 100 AMV Patria: Yes Customer: So when they can be delivered? Patria: Which model? Customer: what kind you have? Patria: Now when you ask, we have.... *3 hours later* Customer: i think we need 10 was it AATDS, 50 AAJR, and 40 UUTS Patria: Sorry we dont have models named that, want me to repeat the list?

[@KoteDarasuum]

"sorry we dont have models named that, want us to make one?"

[@IDDQD1984]

This is kind of funny answer :) Atleast whatever u order and get is best on class(hopelly u get topnotch amos/nemo for mortar stuff) for fast light APC u cant get go wrong. If u have forrest/swamps, cold as -40c+ its have planned to work. It has planned to work on extreme conditions on FIN. So no weather should make any proplems. Not sure how sandstorm have been thinking about as we havent seen any ever here.

[@phelansa23]

Patria is great AFV. For EUROPE! Nobody has more knowledge or experience of building vehicles for thenAfrican Bush. They will be much better off with a indigenous vehicle. The corruptions in the South African Arms deal is still to come to light.

[@herrakaarme]

So, in other words, the RG-32 armoured cars Finland bought from South Africa are no good in Europe? Where were you when the Finnish Defence Forces were ordering them? You should have told them not to do it and get European armoured cars instead as only they work in Europe.

[@phelansa23]

@@herrakaarme unbunch your panties! Have you fought in an AFV in the African bush? Have you even seen the African bush? No, not the Disney version. Why don’t you talk to some my generation who have? We fought in them, bled in them and kicked ass! In African conditions, I would put Reutechs offerings against Patria every time. Just like I would choose Patria for Europe. I say again. If it wasn’t for the inherent corruption in the arms deal, I doubt Patria would have come to South Africa. One thing South Africa can do is build combat vehicles to suit local conditions. Ask the Cubans and the Russians 🤷‍♂️

[@Kem____paalty16]

Please do tata kestrel whap.

[@WeaponDetective]

Thank you for your interest. However, we will, unfortunately, keep you waiting a little longer for two reasons. First, as you may have noticed, our latest Indian systems video didn't get the attention we expected. We will try to make videos of more popular systems for a while. The second reason is that we can't find enough high-quality footage of Indian systems. We have archived good videos whenever possible. Once we find enough good-quality footage we will proceed with the Indian systems.

[@Kem____paalty16]

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[@apuuvah]

Needs the MLRS launcher (12 x 227 mm) on top of it.

[@SimonCarbonell-fc4pq]

are you polish? you pronounce ‘v’ as ‘w’

[@keeperofthefate]

Patria shot itself in the knee while renegotiating deal with Poland. They've got to favorable conditions and then went obstructing aquisition of new Rosomaks by Polish Armed Forces. Because of that, now Poland struck a deal with South Korea. Rosomaks v2 will be based on k808. That means, that biggest AMV operator will phase them down. All because licensing and strongarming done by Patria.

[@lacka90]

:(

[@peabase]

Patria's business is booming. No need for handouts to Poles, who receive EU handouts from Finland already.

[@keeperofthefate]

@@peabase Well nope. You need to consider that "Rosomak" variant is the most delivered of them all. More than half Patria AMVs are Rosomaks. Even though, they are produced locally, Patria still suplies vital parts as well as getting it's "cut" for every model built. Rosomaks were sent as first AMV variant to war and in result provided neccessary data for future development, as well giving free advertisment. Not to mention, all subvariants of Rosomaks. Polish armed forces used it in variety of roles (mortars, command, scout, logistics, artillery fire direction etc.), which again, meant development and data. All it was needed from Patria was to treat poles with a little respect (and I say a little, nobody expects fins to give up their tech for free, but polish industry was counting on long term partnership). This is the same story as with Hitfist turret for Rosomaks. Italians started to count poles 3 times more, than everybody else for parts and repairs, because they could. It ended up with development of alternative ZSSW-30 turret, which will be put not only on new Rosomaks, but also Borsuks IFVs. Italians really didn't learnt their lessons, as poles approached them for thermal optics devices for new turrets. Yet again they've tried to squeze polish armed forces for money. It ended up with polish industry providing better alternative.

[@herptek]

@@keeperofthefate Poles are in this case really arrogant, all the more so when people try to be friendly to them. They got the best vehicle in the market at the time of purchase, which has since saved countless Polish lives in real combat and manufactured in their own country for maximum benefit for them but yet they complain about... money. Decisions of defense companies aside Finland is also tired of always paying for the rest of EU at the expense of its own people.

[@keeperofthefate]

@@herptek But Patria is a private company. It doesn't pay a dime to Poland. It earns money on partnership and deals with polish industry and armed forces. Finland does not subsidize polish armed forces. EU money goes to infrastructure or communal projects. There is no Rosomak in polish armed forces going around with sticker "financed by EU/Finland funds". Arrogant is Patria. Polish gov wanted to buy more Rosomak chasii for new ZSSW-30 turret. There were supposed to be 300 of them. Instead, only 70, in stock will be fitted with new turret. That's 230 less new Rosomaks, of which Patria could get money. They've raised prices, so they have to live with it.

[@alksuboy9889]

Cant wait!

[@SA-xf1eb]

Very nice ride

[@Ascaron1337]

100% political decision by Poland. Domestic production and the goal of pushing into the European defense market, thereby weakening the German defense industry were the dominant factors for this immense purchase. The Rheinmetall Boxer would be the better choice. The modular concept of the Boxer and its tactical and strategic value is just unmatched. Smart from a political standpoint, tho. Very smart indeed

[@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am]

Sorry for necroposting, but... Being able to manufacture and maintain your own equimpent yourself is a far larger benefit than improving your military-industrial position in comparison to an allied country. It was not a political decision, it was a logistical and economical decision. (Since Poland started recovering economically after the 90s, Poland's been prioritizing equipment procurement options that allow for domestic production, with the main purpose of stimulating the growth of domestic military-industrial complex.)

[@uA-gy8wk]

日本も導入するのだった。

[@padmesh_0_0]

❤

[@amarjeetbadhani3616]

JAI HIND 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 It's always good to have a domestic production weapon.. Hey still I have not seen the videos I requested you to make C17 globemaster, Mig 29 and Mig 31..Hope to see them soon...

[@chrisyuri4187]

4:08 oh no, I'm getting flashbacks from the NATO planks, I hate those supposed skiis so much, the horror.... the horror

[@pauloketch4635]

this looks exactly like an AMV Marshall in ARMA 3

[@FlinnGaidin]

That's because this is what Bohemia modelled it on.

[@FlyWithMe_666]

32 tons, but only protected against 7.62mm? Sounds strange. And with all these different variants, the Finish armed forces only ordered 62 of these vehicles? That would just be enough for like one batallion. A lot of development effort for such small number. Something doesn’t add up here.

[@luukas2660]

Up to 32 tons, the lightest versions are only 16 tons. The FDF has been strapped for cash for some time due to all of the different upgrade projects, furthermore armored capability hasn't been a top priority due to the XA-180 still being a capable enough APC.

[@falsekings-p9z]

It is 12.7 cal protected.

[@kk-gr3ly]

Up to 32 tons, lightest version only weights 16 tons. The reason why Finland got so few was thanks to the government and budget cuts.

[@peltimies2469]

Its up to 12.7mm protected allround. we've exported more of these than using it ourselfs since we still have the PaSi's, which are still great!

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

Well, you're not supposed to drive them to front lines. They don't have to to survive direct 420mm hit.

[@UnclePutte]

Patria is unlikely to stay on top for long. The laws of corruption and cronyism are always against small, competent players.

[@mlm_academyofficial2041]

Well Finland is joining NATO which means more potential cust... I mean allies.

[@heikkijhautanen4576]

Go Winland!!!

[@hybridarmyoffreeworld]

Жыве Беларусь!!!Слава Украіне!!!

[@mr.rousseau.4655]

When I hear AMV I think anime music video.

[@mikkihintikka7273]

today i was in one

[@science_is_fake_and_gay2710]

Vituttais olla gines

[@juanneira771]

No tiene lanza misiles.

[@Homoprimatesapiens]

You can delete the S.A.🇿🇦 name out of the list of countries using this vehicle. As you already mentioned the fact that this project is already terminated here locally.

[@chost-059]

The AFV of eastern europe

[@kk-gr3ly]

Finland is not estern europe, it's northen.

[@ivanjelec8029]

@@kk-gr3ly he probably reffered countries: slovakia,croatia,slovenia,poland , a good chunk of eastern europe

[@oskng]

​@@ivanjelec8029ako cemo gledati tocno zemljopis, hrvatska ne spada pod istocnu europu, tako da ti komentar nije tocan

[@thesep1967]

And Patria has a talented sales department. They know how to 'grease' their offers.

[@kk-gr3ly]

Vise versa, they're so bad that they hired an Austrian guy who bribed one of the cutomers :D

[@yeniyulinda6898]

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