PATRIOTS, S-300's & OTHER MULTI-VEHICLE SPAA's! SHOULD YOU EXPECT THEM? GAIJIN SAID SO - War Thunder

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[@kakaprutt666]

The simplest option is to take control of an AA system behind the battlefield (near the heliport) like we can take control of a drone. With that principle it would allow radar station + missile launcher without having to take care of it's utilisty on the ground battle map

[@TylerJC40]

Gajin will most likely find ways to implement all the functions of a multi vehicle system into the launch vehicle like with the Tan Sam because IRL it linked to a radar/observer vehicle along with other launch vehicles for guidance

[@ko11e]

exactly .. 👌

[@kakaprutt666]

@@TylerJC40 Yeah maybe because they are lazy as fuck, there are two problems still and a bonus : - 1 some of those platforms are not mobile which mean you can't move once they are deployed - 2 some of those platforms are huge and very tall once the launcher is deployed which mean your missile can be shot from the enemy spawn - bonus : anti radiation missile only works with radar station, by using "my way" you deploy the radar station on the map which now can be targeted by ARM.

[@jamesred6637]

I think things like patriots and s-300/400 should not be player controled, instead they should be similar to how they are implemented in DCS.

[@ppulf968]

just give all top tier spaa 15km range, wtf is wrong with gajin and balancing. giving russia both the longest range spaa and longest range cas missiles..

[@Orca19904]

We already saw a Patriot battery in the cinematic for the "Firebirds" update, engaging an Su-34. I wouldn't expect them to be playable though, as the Patriot and S-300 are meant to be static area-defense systems and do not have a mobile version with the exception of S-300 systems that have been mounted to Russian warships.

[@adamniva4251]

​@@schrodinger_cat-d9hthats not s300s or patriots its medium range misile launcher inskander

[@labroskie91]

they should put them next to airfields so people can't airfield camp

[@Orca19904]

@@labroskie91 That's how I would envision it being added, since that's effectively how those systems are used IRL.

[@MqncoMarepoto]

russians actually have S-300 with launcher and radar integrated in one vehicle. its the S-300V, it has anti balistic missiles tho

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@MqncoMarepoto wasnt that the one that got hammerd badly by atacms? Or was that s400?

[@____END____]

Yes we need them, I’ve been asking for so long, I NEED NEW SPAA

[@TylerJC40]

Just you?

[@____END____]

@ no a bunch of people

[@randomperson303]

If they do add spaa as powerful as patriot or the S300, they need to place them farther away from the battlefield. 1. Patriot and S300 systems are designed for long range and would have some major problems trying to engage a target near or less than 1 km away. 2. Getting near the battlefield in any air vehicle no matter how maneuverable in an attack dive or high above will be impossible due to the Patriot's and S300's ability to lauch multiple missiles at the same target.

[@admiralsmith6256]

​@@randomperson303 next good reason for bigger maps in Toptier

[@adamniva4251]

​@@____END____ it would most cost 1k at least and they cant move so it cant be added bevause there isnt a vehicle that cant move

[@Frost_x_NB]

Make the maps bigger. Have some of these sophisticated complex AA systems in a “phone booth” sized map is going to make them use less. Also carry over some of the longer range AA over to Air as base/runway defense would be good so people can’t camp spawns.

[@ryanrautenberg6092]

With the current distance between airfields and battlefields the long range aa would easily reach the enemy airfield in ground rb

[@revan22]

if they'd add actual maps like some enduring battle for ground it would work.

[@Jhunter2007]

2:13 the Patriot missile system is in Sliac, Slovakia

[@Em_Youl]

The Vehicle on the left is german! Look at the license Plate it says [Y - - - - - - ( - being a number)] Thats the concept of Vehicles of the german military! You can look it up: "Bundeswehr Kennzeichen"

[@shmoud99]

I thought it was Slovakian flag on the soldier’s arm

[@derbe8647]

@@shmoud99 Ye, its a german patriot in Slovakia

[@aquilesca5tr0]

We need them specifically for sim as a target

[@EpicDragonfall]

This👆

[@abarthcorsa3493]

YES! I hadn’t tried top tier sim before so I hopped in to try it out and two games in a row I spawned in, drive for 5 minutes and then half my team was deleted by SU-34s slinging missiles. Respawn, same thing happens. Go to new game, same story. None of the NATO AAs could take those guys down reliably and they essentially just camped in space and rained guided missiles down.

[@EpicDragonfall]

@@abarthcorsa3493 In my sim games it’s the opposite way. The Su aircraft are trapped in a game with me😈

[@MqncoMarepoto]

fr, thats the only possibility for those powerful anti air systems

[@MqncoMarepoto]

@@abarthcorsa3493 how do u even die to R-77 lol

[@scifidude184]

There are missiles that were experimented and and developed but got axed for budget reasons. The HFK L2 comes to mind. From what I understood it could be loaded on to the roland systems, giving them much greater range. That and the IRIS-T SLS can be on a bv206 chassis allowing one vehicle to take care of both radar and missile carrying.

[@cirnospaghet]

Jesus Christ having normal plane missiles on ground vehicles really puts into perspective how big they are

[@squadenjoyer]

They will add s400 just for fun, like they added pantsir, and expect it to be WAY more overpowered than pantsir rn is :D

[@Elyron2004]

i dont see how long range AAA can be any good for the average situation, well, atleast for gps bomb launcher it could be a good idea but anyone else doing somth different isnt going to be affected. they dont maneuver so well below 5kms.

[@cyno78]

I really don't understand how just creating a game mode without planes is complicated ? They just have to delete things, nothing to add except a new tab in the game modes and it's over but no, apparently they like to be insulted. It's stupid because they just have to do that and rename the GRB to "Combined Battles" and move the GRB to the new game mode.

[@deltafrost3483]

War Thunder needs bigger maps overall, not just in ground RB. In GRB, most of these AA batteries wouldn't be able to fire because the targets would simply be too close, AND they'd be within weapons envelope of the aircraft's weapon systems (which defeats the whole purpose of the missile being able to destroy planes from "way down over there"). In ARB you'd fly for something around 30 seconds to 1 minute then get absolutely lit the fuck up by some system next to the airfield, even before the barrages of missiles from EF-2000s and F-15Es. Even simulator (which I play more than the other two modes) maps feel like flying in a shoebox sometimes with how far missiles can seek targets and how fast the planes are. Only two decent maps at top tier Sim are Afghanistan and Vietnam, because they're big AND have interesting land features that make for some decent cover. The rest are too flat and/or too small to ever be enjoyable with/against anything that has Fox-3s. So unless they have some kind of overhaul of the game modes, the release of these new AA system will either be massively underwhelming or break the game in a very frustrating way.

[@Sturmischer]

I feel like something similar to the Linebacker M-SHORAD would be the best solution for a single vehicle solution, as they don’t have insane amounts of range but are also more flexible than the missile only systems. Plus the Linebacker M-SHORAD can have its 4 Stingers replaced with 2 Hellfires as part of its upgrade tree.

[@sair.l5314]

New SPAAs are needed now. But not only that, the distance change of air spawn and airfield are also needed. With better SPAA and distant spawn, CAS will be more realistic bc its gonna be SEED + CAS.

[@FULLDRATER]

Maybe they will add the AA system in ally airfield, the radar truck etc, that can be destroyed by enemies and cripple the whole team and takes time to repair, while you can spawn and control the truck with the launcher that takes time to plant itself in the ground to stabilize before launching

[@KillerSniper55]

Here is what I think, long range SAMs like the Patriot and the S-300 need to be far behind the line and outside the ground vehicle map and it should have multiple spawn locations. A new ground tree should be added for research of these long range SAMs but they should only be spawn able with a large amount of SP like 700 . Only one spawn per player allowed. There should also be SEAD missiles added at the same time to counter these vehicles. You should be able to J out and change spawn location if you are able to turn off your radar which takes much longer than the SPAAs (maybe 20 seconds). I want good SAM players to be able to play a cat and mouse kind of game with CAS pilots so that they can’t just launch 20 glide bombs from 20 miles away and kill you because you can’t move and can’t reload fast enough. You should be able to see the launch and react to it by moving sites. Shorter range fixed SAMs should also be brought in with SP costs and distance from the battlefield decreased.

[@spitfire_7132]

700 SP? Dude I've gotten into a fully loaded EF-2000 for less than 350 SP with scouting shenanigans. 700 SP is wayyyyy too high for that without raising CAS spawn costs. Especially given the maps, you could just fly nap of the earth and just get in and out with some dumb bombs and destroy said SAM sites.

[@CrispyMuffin2]

the problem is the maps are just too damn small. even with the current jets, you can toss missiles at the battlefield the moment you spawn, then turn back around which also makes these long range AAs a bit of a problem since they will basically be able to cover the entire playable radius of the map. meaning if gaijin wants to make them actually usable and not a flop, they would need to be able to basically make a no fly zone across the entirety of the map which i dont think helps. since they might as well add a tank only mode at that point if they wanna save the designers the trouble

[@Em_Youl]

2:03 Yes the Patriot truck on the far left is german! You can tell by looking at the license plate!

[@thesawtoothdude]

Currently CAS dominates the game but if patriots are added it will completely shut down the sky. Either way something is over powered.

[@user-cn9jx1ct5k]

It’s Ground rb not air rb, that’s fine

[@thesawtoothdude]

@ true

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

NASM's would be better balance wise.

[@omarb10legends99]

Like you said, you can't replace a Pantsir. My problem? Not a single one of these systems have a gun for any sort of AA engagement. That's what makes the Pantsir so diverse. When the ranges extend CAS players will very likely start going for low level bomb tossing etc. Or just staying lower in general, a new meta will appear and the lack of gun mixed weapon SPAA like the Pantsir will show.

[@steyk6702]

I like the idea of separate machine management. We can switch to a nuclear bomber or a drone. They also left here and installed a radar. Switched over. But it's time to transfer GRB to aviation maps. The battle range of tanks is from 6 km. Boroda did this! It was wonderful. The game doesn't have enough distance. Aviation is cramped.

[@g3hst72]

s300 would be so op

[@christopherchartier3017]

I feel like patriot’s better, depending on the variant

[@blank3041]

Which is a good thing.

[@joaoarmandowiteck760]

@@christopherchartier3017 Patriot can´t even shoot a aircraft propely and US said it can shoot cruise missiles and balistic missiles 🤣🤣

[@averageyoutubeenjoyer9000]

​@@joaoarmandowiteck760 S300 is even more inacurrate you russian bot.

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@joaoarmandowiteck760 “My source is that I made it the hell up”

[@jesusofbullets]

A big problem is that planes with glide bombs can simply lob a ton of bombs/missiles at any stationary AA that don’t have any cover.

[@TheIke444]

The patriot is insane levels of overkill, a NASAMS, HAWK, and Rapier make more sense. But It seems most people are completely overlooking the M-SHORAD that should be in the game right now. The AESAs on it allow you to track pretty much the whole sky. Downing any muniton coming towards your team with the gun. Maybe give it the prototype prox fuse rounds if it needs a bit of a boost.

[@xavierscarface]

I wanna make a video helping him with the ED words like (Towed) or (modernized). They don't end the same like the word (upgraded)

[@occho787]

My proposal is that we require research to put it in line ups with limited quantity like 2 system per team at a time only and extend the range of air spawn. Or a SP wall like nuke but still limit it to a certain quantity. This would be mad fun in custom battles for us to LARP or cinematics, events.... Definitely add multi vehicle sam systems to tech tree.

[@BigCrazieTJ]

Or that actually add in datalinking. Scatter ground radar or have a awax up.

[@rezanorouzi9738]

I think we can have for example for USA a Multi-Mission Launcher with Aim-9X even it is not too much for game and it needs its Medium Range Missiles too.

[@Noah.torresKarlsen]

I waited all video for you to tall about the masams and them u end right before it, yayyyyy

[@irritatorgoner1087]

you forgot about the italian centauro draco, which is a centauro with the otomatic turret, but bigger

[@wifi_soldier5076]

It also gets guided HE proxy shells. (Same as the upgrade 2S38)

[@MqncoMarepoto]

then italy mains would cry about its turret being seen from the other spawn

[@kroopamaroon3975]

They could probably make the radar a base or a research upgrade for a better search.

[@UnhingedCanadian]

I’d rather have “too strong of SPAA” than not strong enough. Aircraft should be an add on to ground rb not extremely OP. Su33 spam and such is very bad at top tier if you’re on a team without a Russian pantsir

[@Skyfortress17]

i am hoping that what they do is spawn a stationary radar outside the ground battle zone and allow stuff like the patriot to use it. to balance it i would make it a physical object to hunt down and kill. Rwr would give the location of the radar but a maw may direct you to the launch side. i know most cas players would just stay low and find the radar system. so i dont know what to do about that. As of right now though not alot can be added to any nation for single vehicles/ towed systems. you know maybe each patriot player that spawns gets a radar system of their own spawned so they can still change radar settings without fighting over it. I would also like these systems in ARB and SIM even though most players wouldnt like to be majorly defensive in the middle of an ARB match against sams.

[@Rempai420]

If we get BVR AA systems then the Brimstone missiles need their F+F capability adding. You won’t be able to hold a lock with ARH missiles being spammed from spawn

[@pill_popin_pigeon4759]

Germany could also get the Skyranger 30 A3 which is a boxer with the Orlikon KCE 30mm auto cannon with AHEAD and 2 stingers They could also potentially get the Mowag Eagle IRST SLS which is a 6x6 armored car with 2 short-medium range ir missiles but the order by the german government has not yet been approved however it is the main competitor in a competition for its role.

[@_dpod9883]

I mean America can get the SLAMRAAM for toptier or the M-Shorad as a LAV-AD counterpart

[@galitik8019]

Anti-air only need a craftable APS système like the ammo box, how can be place Where you want to protect yourself from 1 or 2 missile while your trying to shoot down plane

[@yuyy8565]

Maybe have higher range SAMs spawn in the helicopter spawn would make sense. At least it’s a 1v1 fight vs aircrafts.

[@ehh9104]

Make these bigger AAA's like patriots a 750sp spawn "reward" they will be perma stationary near the Helipad. On most maps the helipads are in a such awkward space that they wouldn't be too strong. If the plane goes higher up they die from it. If they stay close to the ground they get killed by current SPAA. This way Cannon AAA would be more useful because of their shorter range and even early IR misses would be easier to use. Even if these radars have this look over the horizon mode there should be like a XY meter blind spot over the main battlefield

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

NASM's would be good size. With a trailer or deployable radar unit same way we deploy "ammo box".

[@jamesred6637]

China has one or two vehicles that are in the same configuration as the pantsir(guns+missiles), i don't know how they compare to it in terms of performance, but it's weird they haven't added them yet.

[@sturmovik_80]

you know the name of those systems?

[@MqncoMarepoto]

@sturmovik_80 i think is Type 625E or ZRPK FK-1000(the chassis of this one is like bigger than the pantsir tho, it wouldnt be a good idea to add it)

[@PvtPartzz]

A far better solution would be to bring back air rb EC so people that just want to play CAS can play that mode. These SAM’s have ranges that are faaar larger than the flyable area in ground rb maps.

[@4ik4irik43]

I think that if such systems are introduced, they will be deployed at the airfield. There will be separate vehicles with launchers, with a search radar, vehicles with a tracking radar, as well as a control vehicle in which the crew will sit and control the launch of missiles. Not all of them, of course, the Russians have BUKs and S-300VM Antey-2500, which can work with one unit. But again, the missiles will already be almost self-guided, you will only guide them for a limited time, until they lock on to the target with their guidance head, then the missile will do everything itself.

[@AdotLOM]

Depends on the missile Early Patriots and S-300's as well as Buks didn't have an active head

[@4ik4irik43]

@@AdotLOM The 9M38 missile already had a semi-active self-guided head in 1976, which was installed on the BUK-1 (adopted into service in 1979), the first version of this SAM.

[@AdotLOM]

@@4ik4irik43 Key word - semi It still needs the RADAR to be active to function

[@4ik4irik43]

@ When the self-guided head is activated and lock the target, then there will be no need to guide the missile with the ground station, which is what I wrote about in the very first comment!

[@jan-yu7sx]

Would be very cool in air rb to go defensive and fly to a zone where u are covered by long range air defence

[@f18gamerboy]

You mean Airfield camping?

[@dirtblock4232]

They better give me a patriot on a semi truck

[@coperhagen5101]

I think Patriot would be fair, modern cas should mean modern AA. If we cant get an AA that is able to easily shoot down the mass amounts of armaments that toptier cas gets(which only the pantsir and maybe ITO can reasonably do) we should be able to shoot down cas before they get close enough to use their armaments.

[@nestorcarreno9783]

Should we take a moment to appreciate how Gaijin gave URSS both the best CAS plane in game (capable of striking beyond any SPAA's range) and the best SPAA in game (capable of neutralizing every single plane before they can get a solid lock or even a launch)? And not only that, but they also didn't give a shit for years so the state of top tier (simulator, specially) has been an URSS constant win-to-win circus without anyone being able to do anything? Now that other nations start having competent top tier CAS I'd hope they don't ruin the party and let the rest of the players enjoy the benefits of absolutely destroying a whole lobby with a single plane and 8 paveways (they still require more skill than the point-and-click russian counterpart). If someome thinks I'm exaggerating just hop into a couple of simulator ground battles, you'll see how fun it is to get obliterated in the first 30 seconds of match by a swarm of SUs and KAs. It ruins the game, it forces you to spawn an SPAA all the time and you don't even have fire and forget missiles like the Pantsir has... I would ask them to really consider the SPAAs they add in-game now, or at least, do not repeat the Pantsir joke again.

[@nestorcarreno9783]

And before any main URSS clown comes to say "skill issue", no, I have the CAS spam pretty much under control myself, but my team always gets wiped out of the existence. I play URSS too and I don't think it's fair at all. Just look at the winrates by nation in top tier sim.

[@stacosaurus]

Towable SPAA as a whole is better idea than a missile with a towable radar, Easier to balance out what's gonna be pulling it and the concept of SPAAS in war thunder stays. (Like one whole vehicle is an SPAA)

[@l_leo4]

If they will be added, on one hand Im sure that even su34 will suffer with its insane long range kha38mt. On the other hand ground rb will be finally become ground

[@warthunder-827]

we need update size map

[@btoiscool]

They could easily have a "team radar", and then just let people use their own launcher vehicles.

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

At air base and helipads? AWAX?

[@MqncoMarepoto]

even with that russian mains would still win, a pantsir with its radar on and another at the other side of the map has its datalink

[@madeingermany9445]

Had gainin said that those aa systems are player controled or ai on the simulator or very big rb mission maps?

[@pat6734]

This kind of SPAA with 3 km maps would be totally crazy. By the way, where's the patriot we saw in the trailer with the SU 34?

[@ScourgeZer]

When harms and EW get added, this would effectively be useless. In my opinion at least, because you fire the harms RTB, repeat until the ammunition is depleted, fire AGMs and eventually acquire Air dominance. You need only about 3-4 Jets to completely do this, but with enemy jets might cause a problem. But again not too much of a problem

[@charlieharris2864]

Well hopefully with these new anti aircraft systems coming in WT, hopefully that means the airfield AA will get a significant buff, now some people may disagree with me on this but the airfield AA we have right now it's ineffective as far as I'm concerned, since half the time the missile systems at least from my experience don't even attempt to even aim at you, let alone shoot you, so really I think if anti aircraft systems like the s-300 and even the s400, and the Patriot system would to be introduced they would be very good AA anti-air systems for the airfields, but as for them working in ground, smaller anti-aircraft systems may work but bigger systems like the Patriot and the s300 and the s400 they need a separate vehicle with its own radar.

[@shino2788]

Tbf i haven't seen an airfield sam in quite a while. I've been killed countless times by an enemy plane that was less than 1km from the airfield and I'd be lucky if the guns fired, let alone the missles

[@charlieharris2864]

@@shino2788 Which is why I think the airfield AA needs to be improved, in fact I can remember a match in my j10, i Flew Over The Enemy Airfield strafe two Israeli f-15s and not once was I Fired upon by surface to air missiles, or anti-aircraft guns they looked at me but didn't fire,

[@m3chgeek470]

Yeah I think you're right because to have a different powered vehicle for radar you would have to rely on a different player to understand what the concept that you're both trying to do and without open mics across the community it would not go good but my big thing where I wish they would put a a is on the high tier small bases in air sim

[@sethbowlin3554]

They could have the 2 different vehicles spaa system, you would just need another person to help you so they can bring out the radar and you can be the launcher, and both people would get the credit for the kill

[@reaper8x8]

for china it could be added fk2000 12 missiles 25km range and 2xak630

[@Icecreature]

problem is top tier AA vehicles with IR missiles just cant lock helicopters and without radar its imposible to even see sometimes enemy and i think they need to change for easier lock on helis.

[@Cyprez]

S-400s should have a chance to turn around and destroy your tank

[@Mystalo]

Bro Pantsir-S1 is already a air Killer adding any other russian AA the sky will be clear that not even a bird will fly around

[@funkeds4599]

add radar in out side the ground map and put on top of mountain and you can only destroy that missile launcher

[@Parseced]

Better spaa or a game mode to exculde air assets

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

You didn't touch on the SPYDER AiO, which is fully autonomous with a 360 AESA and 8 missile slots, which can be Pythons, Derbys or Derby-ERs. This is the real competitor to the Pantsir which should have been added years ago

[@technolibra]

it doesnt need to be a traditional SPAA for each nation. for example china has SPAA in the form of a helicopter... im sure theres weapon systems each country has that can deal with air threats even if its not in the form of a ground SPAA

[@jr900man]

The fact the pantsir has for YEARS been heavily dominant. Really shouldn't have been added so early. On top of that im sad as a usa player. Almost every tier my aa sucks or is raised out of a good bracket. No radar untill 9.0 hurts so badly

[@nepppppp8222]

Hawk actually would really work ngl👍

[@RiflesGunner]

1 modern SPAA each update, at the end of 2025 everyone will have at least 1, USA will prob get 2 cuz they need it. Most likely M-727 and/or SL-AMRAAM

[@zeushd180]

patriot system is from the 80s, while pantsir is from 2012 just add iron dome already

[@sturmovik_80]

Even if they add those systems, i think Pantsir will still be the best, it's mobile and not staionary like all the other systems and we only have the worst Pantsir version in the game, Pantsir-SM with 40km range will be a different level.

[@taj2332]

They need to add bigger grb maps with different spawns and more players

[@sg1fan93]

if they do this, they need to add sead/dead systems to planes

[@adamniva4251]

I think every ir aa is op just look at the 11.0 japanese aa you dont even see it coming

[@tomsmith476]

Give the American tech tree the Humvee that shoots sidewinder ex model or amram missiles

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Didn’t gaijin say they were gonna add new AA systems like patriot? They literally changed their mind about not adding multi vehicle systems.

[@FishFlys]

Can’t wait for HARMs to counter them!

[@kgbgoggles3900]

Pantsir has been the best spaa for the longest time and we never got an spaa comparable to it but as soon as the USA gets smth better then the pantsir gaijin decides to give an spaa to Russia that’s on par with the patriot if not better so either way Russia will always have the best spaa no matter what

[@user-cn9jx1ct5k]

Why can’t they be equal, I don’t see the point in complaining

[@AdotLOM]

@@user-cn9jx1ct5k Because IRL they aren't No western country really has a widespread analogue to the Pantsir

[@kgbgoggles3900]

@@user-cn9jx1ct5k did the pantsir have an equal?

[@user-cn9jx1ct5k]

@@kgbgoggles3900 no but the patriot does

[@MqncoMarepoto]

its like when russia get something good america mains cry about it? its literally the same but on ground

[@christopherchartier3017]

Curious, I didn’t see NASAMS anywhere

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

Basically AIM9X and AIM120's and HAARMs.

[@CounterfeitDuck]

There's a thing like an S-350. An S-300 on 1 vehicle.

[@PaPaFiggy69]

Yes just add much larger maps for both GRB AND ARB, because im tired of USSR having the best spaa

[@D4RK-R3ALITY]

Mat what do you think of a Spanish Airforce sub tree?

[@sharkmods9042]

Copy past

[@D4RK-R3ALITY]

@ still cool

[@Em_Youl]

Buk M3 would be crazy!

[@TomTom-rs2zz]

Some of these systems will be so easy target for ground units...... imagine huge rocket carrier hiding behind small rock or huge 10 or more meters long arm peaking behind house 😂 ... maps in Top Tier are stupidly small not adjusted for vehicles capabilities

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

Not if they can deploy their radar separate from their launcher and then allow same systems to interlink radar and launchers like IRL, meaning HAARM missiles will hit radar trailers but not the Launcher hardening the SPAA battery. Bombs and laser guided will hit whatever they're told to of course. It provides twice the targets for CAS while hardening SPAA batteries. Say the radar is on the tractor unit and the launcher is a trailer. Make the orphaned launcher trailer unit of a dead friendly SPAA become slaveable to the available radar tractor unit.

[@rojevil2829]

HVSD/ADAMS and Spyder

[@vulgar_potato4992]

The only issue with these mobile radars is that they take minutes at minimum too deploy.

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

Pantsir runs around without it's deployable legs, and we fix tanks in seconds after taking damage so that doesn't really matter. Maybe if they must, it could deploy as fast as dozer blade. What would be awesome is if weapons of the same type can network their radars especially if they force you to take a vehicle that has a "deployable" radar trailer like the "ammo box" game mechanic for instance and your launcher or trailer get taken out, then nearby (within radio range) launchers and trailers would network automatically. Providing more targets for CAS whilst also hardening SPAA against CAS. It would also harden them against anti radar weapons. maybe cap points could restore fire extinguishers, trailer mounted radar and ammo boxes.

[@phantomraptor8851]

the spyder for israel can be the all in one version which has its own radar and missiles.

[@Chronesys]

We have out of map artillery for almost everyone but out of map radar ar an issue for some reason.Also i love how gaijin will rather chose an overcomplicated option rather than give what their customer have asked for years at this poin: a tank only game mode. They can't have us proving that not many want to play against the Cancerous Air Shits

[@jch90z]

teaser ?

[@Em_Youl]

WOW ok this is interesting!!!

[@LilKittyCat1512]

Give ground EC map.. then all of them not overkill XD ask one thing.. please the stand foot or whatever is that for hold the vehicle in place usable XD

[@ulkersa2099]

With current map size not worth at all EC maps at least

[@redsputnik9807]

I’m looking forward to the Pantsir-SM, it’s has 40km missiles with a speed of 2,000m/s, also AESA radars.

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

No.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

Russia should have to wait several years before they get another SPAA

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

@ But we both know they won't have to. :/

[@satorusukuna7161]

Only type 81c for Japan make me sad as hell

[@giyuu-with-a-gun]

Bro.. i cant fly 20km into the battlefeild without getting smacked out of the sky with a missile system, how tf are aircraft gonna survive a new aa?

[@Mr.Maus.Thunder]

2:40 tvm means track via missile (says Wikipedia)

[@paulsullivan237]

Gotta love spaa mains spawning in doing nothing whilst waiting for someone just trying to have fun as cas to spawn kill by fobbing all missiles they have at a single target

[@gamersingh5767]

well I just deleted the game today I am done with this sh*t game

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

I don't uninstall but I stop playing for years while it's bullshit. Maybe spade something here and there for the future when it's worth playing. I've got a list of about 20 grievances with Gaijin that are just bias sabotage. BR's are for balance not making fantasy models with missing ability and features.

[@gamersingh5767]

@@knowahnosenothing4862 recently I bought mig 23 ML and what a stupid jet it is sometimes it don't even lock it missiles are good for head on but what good are missiles when they can't even lock so after unlocking Su 34 I realised that man I have wasted that much time on this game just to get this jet and what to say about ground battles they are just dominated by helis and jets

[@funkeds4599]

M1097 Humvee SL-AMRAAM

[@ephealtun]

we need SEAD weaponry then.

[@Danow95]

2:04 German Patriot on Slovakia with Slovak soldier.

[@CursedTheReal]

If they add one of these they’ll add another Russian SPAA just to “balance” it out just as they did with the F15E and SU34. Will the Russian one be fair? Hell no.