Paul and The Jewish People | Are the LAW and GRACE separate from one another?

Paul and the Law, an explanation from a historical perspective. In this episode, Tom Bradford is addressing a rather forgotten topic among believers in this day and age. The Law was one of the most controversial topics of debate in Paul's era, among Jews at the time, as it is now for the church.
Join us in this Bible Study about Paul and the law.

[@barbarastudham3334]

I recently found your videos, and now I have many wonderful hours of study ahead. Thank you for your dedication to learning and teaching the scriptures.

[@barbaraeferguson7245]

I have been a Christian all my 69 years. I am humbly grateful for the new perspective and knowledge you have given me on what my spirit says to me is the true Judeao/Christian truth...my walk with the Lord has been blessed. Thank you and Shalom.

[@simonskinner1450]

I too am 69 CofE KJV all my life, and have found that the Torah was given to Abraham, to keep God's law by faith. The amendment given to Moses was due to sin, Jesus changed that amended covenant to bring forgiveness not available under Mosaic Law, although Mosaic Jews mistakenly thought it did. You mention the Judaeo-Christian truth, and that was my mission the last ten years and now I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.

[@lloydellmiller6279]

So you were born again when you were born? You’re not born into right standing with God-except thru Jesus. You must be born-again.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@lloydellmiller6279 No my friend I am lucky to find the truth in the NT, and the Spirit has allowed me to find the truth, even though it goes against the teaching I was given. My Ytube video #29 'Myths in so-called Christianity' reveals a truth completely missed by Christianity, and that is no man has gone to heaven without the Spirit taking him, even Jesus in heaven.

[@sariepieterse6768]

As I'm 72 years old and from South Africa this is the clearest teachings on the Law of Moses Ive ever heard in my life....as im do came out of one of the constantian church and battle to find a church that is teaching this I'm struggling to get myself to go to church....I honestly wish and pray that God will lead me to a place where I know that it is teaching The Whole of Gods word I am really battling spiritually.....I have excepted Yeshua as my Lord and Saviour by I really do need people to talk to ....please pray with me that God will lead me into His will and direction... to the right place and people.

[@kathrynfrancis7400]

The two sticks will eventually become one. What an absolutely fabulous teaching. Thank you Tom.

[@tomashernandez5640]

Never have the Law been explained so clearly to me. This teaching clarified on many questions that I have had. Thank you God for this teacher.

[@TorahClass]

So glad you're finding the teachings helpful! Shalom.

[@Truth2ber]

⁠@@TorahClass DITTO-God bless you, Tom. Would you consider weighing in on the abundance of confusion between the James1:25 reference to the transformation/washing by the Ps19:7 perfect Law and the twisted mantra of the shallow followers of men who consider Torah to be something that is “no longer required…nor are we ‘under?’” I would like to address the times in Scripture where YHVH Elohim has “hidden” things from those who are not His own…”lest they turn and be forgiven…” or asking His divine council to offer service to Him by going to send a lying spirit to deceive… The “hard to understand”aspect of 2Peter3:14-17 seems to me to be the result of a similar desire by God as seen in the 2Thes2:9-11 powerful delusion promised to those who do not love the Truth! (yikes) Mt5:18 seems to be one of the best tests to offer someone who has been raised under Diotrephes and Constantine to reject Torah, but this is something that is so divisive (as promised) that we need to be extremely careful with…amen? Jesus straightened out this carnal resistance to The Spirit/Word that we are all born with perfectly-the only problem is that our flesh doesn’t cotton to it without Psalm19:7 transformation through deliberate obedience beyond our infantile self-orientation, eh… Rev22:14 WASHING! The best we can do for those who know they need forgiveness in Christ, but are not yet weaned to add the “meat” of obedience to God’s instruction to the “milk” of the salvation message, in order to grow in Christ/The Incarnate Word by “eating His Body/Word” as Paul encourages in order to be transformed, is just to be a fruitful example that the Spirit will help them want to emulate! Even as Christ has done for us all, and those who would be a Bride of Christ WILL conform to, faithfully, motivated by love. Those who don’t love God’s Word don’t realize that they don’t love Him either, as Christ and The Word are the same person! John1. …they only love what He can give them, like a casually foolish virgin who hypergamously waits on the Lord with the rest of us, but HAVE NO LIGHT IN THEM because they aren’t conforming to the Word as a Bride. That marriage has not been consummated! His seed is not in us if we reject Him/Torah! WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WE DON’T KNOW…and if we continue to ignore parts of God’s Word (lawlessness=sin), we never knew Him in the first place…as 1John3:4-10 and Jesus declared to Christians in Matthew5:18, 7:21-23, 25:1-13, etc… The obvious reality is that apart from repentance there is NO FORGIVENESS. This is why Jesus said that He loves a contrite heart that is truly sorrowful over sin…which is only defined by the Law…which brings us to Christ! We can not give lawless, hypergamous, religious, “gold-digger” virgins (who Jesus promises will be rejected) the oil/Light that YHVH requires. They must go and purchase it (through love and devotion, not $) themselves-and those who were devoted for only a short time will be paid as those who were devoted for decades! Time is immaterial in the Kingdom! Only love and devotion are significant…and non-negotiable. This is a Spiritual “purchase” that our physical minds stumble on a bit, but Proverbs23:23, Rev3:18, Isaiah55, etc. can help us see this very clearly. If we think we KNOW YESHUA, rather than know about Him like Satan, we will love the Truth of His Law (not be “under it” but LOVE IT as God does!). Satan thought he could negotiate with God in the desert (like we do until we crucify our flesh/take up our cross), but Yeshua said “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.’” …just like He told the Christians in Mt7:23 to DEPART FROM ME!” This is becoming a download-God promises to give us the desire of our heart…but apart from Ps19:7 transformation, though obedience to the perfect Law, our hearts are desperately wicked! Torah is the Law of Liberty by which our desires are converted from death to Life! Apart from our transformation, we can forfeit salvation because God will give us independence from Him like the casual religious virgins if that is what we desire when He weighs our hearts-in the only place God created where His Provision, Protection and Presence does not exist. (!) Mt25:41 “…the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.” James1:25 ❤️ 🕎Rev14:12 Saints!🕎

[@jmarie9801]

Excellent topic! Thank you Pastor Tom for your wonderful teachings and sharing of Yahs word.

[@ladymae2007]

At around 38:00 Tom spoke about needing to learn the PRINCIPLES of the Law of Moses. This is SO important. The 613 laws are summarized in the Ten Words or Commandments and the Ten Commandments are summarized by Jesus in Matt. 22 this way, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Our Father's principles are timeless!!

[@geeshade2018]

Yeshua is Awesome!! He taught from the Torah. There is coherence between OT & NT. And you shall love את Yahuah Elohayka with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. DEVARIYM (DEUTERONOMY) 6:5 את CEPHER You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am Yahuah. VAYIQRA (LEVITICUS) 19:18 את CEPHER

[@alexandrasmith4393]

There’s clear guidelines about things we miss in teaching though. In the prodigal son, the Father was eagerly looking for his son, because a wayward son was supposed to be taken to the priests and put to death. Our Heavenly Father is constantly looking for us, to Seek and Save as Jesus says.

[@barbaradoughty8152]

Hes the same God as in the Old Testament as the new. He tells us I change not. We are one new man in Christ.

[@lloydellmiller6279]

It’s great to have a teaching on this because “We’re not under the law” yet Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. All the law is fulfilled in this saying.

[@lloydellmiller6279]

I’ve heard that we’re not under the law or that’s legalism. Etc.

[@angelaberry3483]

Wow!!! I'm blown away by this sermon!!! This is how it happened for me... I was raised by a mom who was wiccan and a dad who was atheist. God was never mentioned in our house. I practiced many wiccan and modern practices. In 2019 I was more broken than I had ever been and suicide seemed a welcome relief to this painful life I had been living. That year people were being especially cruel to me and I started hearing this voice explaining what was happening to me. I thought maybe I had lost my mind but what I was hearing I knew to be Truth, even though I didn't especially like what I was hearing I listened to that voice because I knew it Was The Truth. I didn't know who I was hearing until some time later he took me to the Hebrew language and showed me how to translate it to English using the numbers. He showed me several things there. Who He is Y.H.W.H. He showed me his Sabbath which isn't Sunday... It's Friday Evening when the sun goes down until Saturday evening when the sun goes down. And he showed me 2 commandments there Love him First and Love your neighbor. He told me if I followed those 2 I wouldn't break the rest of them. He has taught me Many Amazing things over the past few years. The Best Thing I have Ever Done in my Life was to Listen to that Voice!!! He saved my life... I don't know why he would even glance my way... I had broken every commandment he ever gave but he Saw me in all my pain and sin and showed Mercy on me and I Thank him Every Day!!! He teaches me How To Love ...I didn't know how to Love... I was terribly abused as a child and that carried through into my adult life so when I started hearing him and he was talking about forgiveness I didn't necessarily like what he was saying but I listened anyway and after awhile I respected the way he Loves and wanted to be more like him. I Love the way he is very patient and compassionate and kind and Loving and takes his time in teaching me his ways in living this life. I am his and he is mine... We are now walking in agreement!!! ❤

[@JohnJohnson-rc6ci]

Thank you again friend, very well said indeed. May YHVH open doors for this message to reach all He would choose. The truth will set you free. Never before have I heard such a teaching from a church, being Jewish, raised Jewish and studied Torah, this has shown me great hope in understanding the differences we have. I have had nothing but evil experiences from all churchites, especially over matters of the law having been done away with by Messiah Yeshua and all other issues pertaining to Moshe and the Prophets. Praise YHVH, for He is worthy to be praised in all circumstances, His timing is perfect. Shalom ❤ 😂 ❤❤❤🎉 Mazel Tov. ❤

[@karenp.2316]

Thank you, Brother Tom, for this wonderful teaching! Shalom.

[@alexandrasmith4393]

I’ve been trying to get these points across to Christians for years. There hasn’t been a time of law and a time of grace. There’s Grace right through the Tanach, and the guidance of the Torah still stands. Too many believers go astray because they don’t know what the scriptures say about something!

[@vickidonald6811]

I have listened to this teaching 3 times...thank you so much! I now feel free to learn and follow Torah now

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

I was so glad to see another teaching pop up on my feed... I've been going back and "re-listening" to your Book of Acts teaching... These two teachings compliment each other very well... Thanks Pastor Tom... May Abba-Yah bless and keep you...

[@JamesWilliams-sk3qj]

2 Timothy 2:15 Do all that you can to present yourself to God as someone worthy of his approval, as a worker with no need to be ashamed, because he deals straightforwardly with the word of truth. How beautiful when Yehovah's word is taught in truth!!! Looking forward to the next message! Shalom Shalom

[@Yosef_Morrison]

Now you are talking, Brother! Yeshua was very clear when He spoke of the "Many who will come to me in that day". Those who did miracles in His name, and cast out devils, etc, but in the end because they did not keep the Law of Moses, and not even the 10 covenantal wedding vows, Yeshua will say to them, "Go away from me ye who work Lawlessness. I never knew you." This is a great video to share! Truth!

[@kenwalters7921]

Baruch HaShem & Shalom Shalom Israel!!! Very well said and interpreted through Ruach HaKodesh!!! It will bear fruit!!!🙏🇮🇱❤️❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱🙏

[@amsterdamG2G]

Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your Law. ( Psalm 119:18 nasb )

[@AdamPlayFarms]

Toms teaching is such a refreshing change to the pulpit speeches i grew up with.

[@mickib876]

This teaching is so beautiful❤ The Law/Word of the Almighty is forever settled in heaven! ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; And in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, That bringeth forth his fruit in his season; His leaf also shall not wither; And whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: But are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

[@CosmopolitanCornbread]

I’m so glad you’re going to do more topical lessons.

[@RealDefinitionsMatter]

Trust, faith & obedience all work cohesively. Obedience proves your faith & trust. Faith while doing the opposite is just a mouthpiece! Rejecting Yah's instructions is walking in the flesh. The flesh has no desire to "be told what to do". Walking in His instructions is the Spirit working within you. Its a joy, blessing, not a burden! I love His instruction....now! The flesh does as it chooses and "slaps a Jesus sticker on it".

[@yeshuaischrist9951]

I CAN NOT FIND A PLACE OF WORSHIP IN MY CITY.

[@dashulamite]

Don't lose heart. Many of us can't. If you poke around youtube you should be able to find a congregation that is live. That is better than nothing and you can actually leave a comment about wanting to fellowship and chances are, you will be welcomed and be able to start an on-line friendship with someone from the congregation. Be open and state what you're looking for. I know of one, which may or may not be what you're looking for, but you can check it out. The Way Congregation here on KZbin

[@dashulamite]

Douglas Hamp Ministries

[@alexandrasmith4393]

Many of us can’t from all over the world. The churches have so fallen from the truth, how can we fellowship with spiritual darkness?

[@shoshannaperry5518]

Thank you so much for teaching the truth. I look forward to attending your service in Feb.

[@user-el4jr5xi9u]

Thank you Sir that cleared up a few big questions about the Jewish point of view

[@Bobbychildree]

Awesome, Tom! Love your teachings!

[@debbiewelch8216]

Excellent teaching! Thank you Brother Tom!

[@mwsince78]

I had a friend get upset with me when I said Jesus wasn’t a Christian.

[@YAHWEH-SAVES777]

Christian arent even in the hebrew bible. Churches are meant to be called Messianic communities and christians are meant to be called followers of messiah yeshua. This church and chirstian thing came much later

[@HJKelley47]

When I have to teach that Yeshua was a practicing Jew, I also get some of that same reaction.

[@kimwaxman9690]

Amen 🙏🏻. Yeshua didn’t come to do away with the Law, He came to fulfill the Law!

[@SonoftheLivingGod7]

and he did fulfill it and now its abolished. lol

[@Fearless444_77]

I'm walking right with Elohim. No matter what the stakes may be. The king is soon to return. HalleluYah

[@trudylazet7975]

thank you for the powerful word of God aim blessed tank you Tom study with great joy God blessed you so Mach's amen

[@TrishCorlew]

So good!!Thank you!

[@naakewoinmontana1249]

❤❤❤ Excellent Teaching

[@spanarp]

Been a christain for more than 20 years and Been part of the church. There has never been a pastor or preacher who said the law of moses was abolished by Jesus. Upon becoming a Christian the first thing a Christians are introduced to is the 10 commandments.

[@RealDefinitionsMatter]

The church corporation doesn't necessarily use that the law is done away with, but dismiss it as "for the Jews" or "that was old testament, we have grace". All the Christians I know do not even keep the 4th command in honoring the appointed Sabbath. To further add, obedience is more than the 10 words. For example, they do not say to love your neighbor, but the Torah does. They do not specifically say beastiality, cross-dressing, or sleeping with your father are bad, but the Torah does. It ALL is important to grow in righteousness and Godly living. The word Torah is actually used for what is written on the heart in Jeremiah 31:31-33.

[@Pgarcia468]

Thank you Sir!

[@RebeCorlan]

Thank you, brother Tom! Excellent study! Unfortunately, there are people that can't hear anything else after they hear the term "law of Moses". Maybe " God's Law through Moses" used all the time would help them...

[@RealDefinitionsMatter]

In Nehemiah the "book of the law of God" and "the book of the law of Moses" are used interchangeably as the very same thing.

[@Honey1xyz]

✝️THE CHURCH STARTED WITH POWER 💯‼️OF GOD’S SPIRIT 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@Honey1xyz]

@@beesinthegardens yes also ALL what Jesus said

[@leod5609]

I would submit as the late RC Sproul have said. The law not for salvation, but as a way of life. To strive to live by it, especially the 10 commandments. The law is how we preach and evangelise, to highlight and put on pedestal everyone's failures to be righteous before God, for to fail one is to fail all and as such, our need for Jesus Christ, the only one who is our righteousness. The law is still active, as an indictment for those who have yet to trust in Christ. But for those in Christ, as a means of drawing near to God, of delighting in Him, in seeing His goodness and perfection in his laws and statutes. Take into account one thing. Why did the Jerusalem council prescribe only those limitations to gentile believers?

[@leod5609]

@@beesinthegardens thank you for the reply. Are you a messianic jew? And is this detail found everywhere else in the new testament letters?

[@dashulamite]

​@@leod5609there is evidence of exactly this happening, ie: learning the torah when the new Christians went to the Synagogues on the sabbath. The Apostle Paul, specifically, met with the believers and taught them after Synagogue, well into the early mornings. It's mentioned in his letters.

[@RealDefinitionsMatter]

Yes! The 4 instructions given were to essentially reassure the Jews that the gentiles were serious about their faith and laying aside major pagan idol worship which would have contaminated the temple. The pagan temples were not just used for worship, but rather used as a social and cultural institution. Their lives were deeply connected to idol worship to which they grew up. The Jerusalem council essentially offered a compromise to ease the Jews, so the gentiles could enter and learn together "teaching all that Moses taught in synagogue on Sabbath". The whole concept was to unify them and learn the OT.

[@leod5609]

I just want to be careful, that we do not bind gentile followers to the law that it becomes a burden rather than a joy. It's like the case of Matthew, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves Sure the law is good and beautiful, but perhaps we ought to focus on its crystallisation or summarised version, to love one another. Now I'm not diminishing it all in any way, I still prefer to have it taught, but to appreciate it, rather than forcibly have gentile believers practise every single thing. It's Christian liberty, that no one may disturb others with regards to Sabbaths, festivals and such. And because righteousness is not a matter of eating or not eating. Again Jesus / Yeshua saya that righteousness must excess the Pharisees and Scribes, in which it means must be from Him alone, who is the perfect fulfilment of the law. I just want us to balance between law keeping, and doing whatever we want with no law at all. Honouring and respecting it, but not binding to the soul, but still practising the essence of it so that, as the faith expands to all nations, we don't have to expect foreign believers from different backgrounds to have to strictly follow the Torah to the point they can't follow it all. I think that is the nature of the Jerusalem council, that the faith may propagate instead of binding the conscience of the new gentile believers. Remember Christian liberty, otherwise, one has to practise every single bit of the law. Civil, ceremonial, and moral (which this one of course is eternal).

[@dashulamite]

@@leod5609 you said, "It's Christian liberty, that no one may disturb others with regards to Sabbaths, festivals and such." You may not be aware that that is about believers not being made to feel judged by nonbelievers when they begin to observe these things. The Apostle is telling the new believers that they should watch to not be taken away by..."non believers"...and don't let them judge your new practices in Christ. "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ...having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross...So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow OF THINGS TO COME, but the substance is of Christ. Let no one cheat you of your reward...and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God." ~Colossians 2 So, in order to hold fast to Christ, we do what He did. We don't follow the traditions of men (rabbinical extra biblical dictates) or Constantinian Christianity that scrubbed THE Faith of all of the requirements that God gave His people to live by, for their blessing. To NOT do them as God intended is to rewrite the requirements AGAINST us...the CURSE part...for not being obedient. NOT doing them is the sin...that Christ took upon Himself. As it is written: "Behold, I set before you today a blessing and a curse: the blessing, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you today; and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from THE WAY which I command you today, to go after other gods which you have not known." Deut. 11:26-28 Walking in the way Christ walked is liberty once you are willfully disobedient to God's law, you are under the curse of the law. ~Psalm 119:45

[@robinworkman3621]

If it's true, scripture says sin is lawlessness. Paul says should I go on sending that Grace May abound God forbid! Essentially Paul is saying should I go on breaking the law that Grace May abound?

[@marci3667]

I read Acts yesterday! Is this when the commandments were broken and the one who broke Gods commandants perished! Law with the Grace of God! As the ten commandants were the laws laid down but with Grace we go!

[@joshuagoodson9777]

It seems to me that we should be always moving(sanctification process) ...... toward the point where our behavior is dictated, less by keeping specific laws, and more by showing love, both to God and our fellow. Mat 22:40, Rom 13:8

[@robinworkman3621]

You said, the law shows us what sin is. I thought of the scripture that says, sin is lawlessness.

[@alexandrasmith4393]

But if you don’t know the Law how can we know what is right? Remember we are a fallen creature, we don’t know His Word.

[@robinworkman3621]

@@alexandrasmith4393 deep inside,you know it's wrong to lie,steal,murder,cheat on a wife or husband ets.we inherently know these things to be wrong because it's written on our hearts. We just choose to do them because we are selfish, fearful and weak. All have broken his law and are guilty. But he is forgiving when we repent,turn away from doing wrong and start doing right.

[@gparker7019]

Grace, favor, comes from obedience to the Torah. Grace - merited favor Exodus 33:13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people. What is the WAY? the way is the Torah. To know God is to follow His commands, just as to love God is to follow his command. Both intimate relationship words. 1 John 2:3. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments The Hebrew word for GRACE is "chen", Greek charis. Many times CHEN is translated favor, obscuring the connection to Torah obedience and GRACE. GRACE is a result of Torah obedience. Proverbs 1:8-10 grace thru law 8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 9 For they shall be an ornament of GRACE unto thy head, and chains about thy neck. Proverbs 3 Young's Literal Translation 3 My son! my law forget not, And my commands let thy heart keep, 2 For length of days and years, Life and peace they do add to thee. 3 Let not kindness and truth forsake thee, Bind them on thy neck, Write them on the tablet of thy heart, 4 And find GRACE and good understanding In the eyes of God and man.

[@karenp.2316]

"Grace, favor, comes from obedience to the Torah. Grace - merited favor" Exactly! Christians erroneously define grace as "unmerited favor." They ignore scripture that defines grace. Shalom, Brother.

[@gparker7019]

@@karenp.2316 emet! I say it all the time.

[@tfwaters]

It comes back to the argument of faith vs works. We know that faith without works is dead. Who’s works? Both HIS works (the covenant of atonement and crucifixion) and OUR works (covenant of faith, repentance, baptismal covenant, laying on of hands for gift of Holy Ghost and enduring to the end). This is what being a covenant people is all about. Both the first covenant (Mosaic Law) and the second covenant (Gospel Law) have promises and requirements. In order to be a covenant people (or covenant person) one has to accept the covenant and live it. Since we are not perfect-we can repent, be forgiven, and try harder to find that favor (grace) again. Finding favor and giving Mutual respect: It is about having a good relationship with God and maintaining that relationship. All good relationships are always built upon trust and mutual respect-having two-way contracts (not just one-way contracts). Both parties have a responsibility to the other. We know that one needs to be a friend in order to have a friend. Abraham was known as a friend of God-he had a loving reciprocal relationship with God.

[@gparker7019]

@@tfwaters I disagree with the underlying definitions of the words you use, and yes I did read your entire post. In my original post I gave what I believe to be the Biblical definition of grace which is NOT unmerited mercy. Your post assumes a difference between faith and works. I am going to make an assumption you are drawing this contrast based on one passage from Paul. One witness. From the only writer the actual apostle who followed Jesus while he was alive warned us that his writings could be twisted. Faith is Biblically defined as following all the commandments that apply to you. As written in psalm 119 - kol mitzvotecha emunah. All your commandments is faith. Abraham himself is described as obeying all the commandments Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. What are the works Paul is referring to in his most quoted verse "not of works"?? The verse itself tells us what works if you read it carefully, and it's not Torah works Paul is referring to there. If you are open to an alternate understanding I would love to show you some posts I have on "not of works", but what I most often find is that Paulians are very happy to run with the antitorah Paul.

[@dashulamite]

​@@gparker7019 there are plenty of youtube ministries untwisting the "orthodox" interpretation of the Apostle Paul and it's revealed that he was not teaching anti torah, at all.

[@StampedClay]

So many on point facts and lessons to take away, the final one solidified the need fir Law & Grace: the Lawless one who sits in Jerusalem at the end to claim to be God or a God [antiChrist] is opposed to what Law? YHVH's Law.

[@huskyhlychhogaming3940]

The modern Rabbi statement which you have quoted and the 1st century Pual statement about Judaism's concept of righteousness are in contrast. Pual clearly stated that those Jews in his time were trying to establish their own righteousness through the law instead of summiting to God's righteousness. Those 1st century Jewish have a great zeal of God by obeying the Tanakh but not in line with truth that's why they stumble and later fall.

[@N3773B]

Paul contradicts himself in every letter

[@johngillatt2740]

I remember meeting a Jewish man at ha kotel. We were discussing something. I don't remember what. We were speaking past each other. As a good goy naturally I didn't understand him. He said "we speak different languages." I believe it is true that my forefathers helped build the tower of Babel. Unfortunately I haven't studied Hebrew yet. Christians accuse Paul of being anti-circumcision? The new testament actually recorded that Paul was in fact a mohel. He circumcised Timothy!

[@user-hh9ef7uz8m]

He came not to abolish but to fulfill it

[@kimwaxman9690]

First Thank you 🙏🏻 so much for this discussion! Having said that, I have a question; Is The Law of Mosses The Ten Commandments? I’m currently having a long term discussion with my Son Jacob, he’s telling me it’s not just The Law of Mosses, it’s a lot more, like 613 Mitzvah s and more. I’m looking for help with this topic, please 🙏🏻 if could help or point to scripture, I would greatly appreciate it.

[@TorahClass]

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[@m.c.bouterse3957]

the law is not there to go to heaven, but for life on earth.

[@aaronlarsen7447]

I don't reject the law, as a Christian I embrace it. Jesus condensed the law. You don't need a law not to cheat on your wife. It's in the first and second law. I try to separate what is false religion, or man's law with what laws God implemented through man, and what traditions are out of context, not my culture, or have nothing to do with me. As a Christian, I'm a fortunate Gentile, adoptedby God. Its not really my place to criticize Jews. I don't think it is this Christians job to tell God's people how to do it. Honestly I mostly just shut up and learn.

[@dancing4himonly]

If you believe in YHVH and accept that Yeshua is the Messiah, you are a child of God, whether you were born from the seed of Jacob or not. Those who are of Jacob's seed who do not accept Messiah are as separated from YHVH as any "gentile" who has not come to salvation. Then, they are a member of the commonwealth of Israel and no longer a gentile. God does not have 2 groups of believers with different laws for each. We're either from the House of Judah or the House of Ephrahim, and He is going to unite them one day soon into a unified nation to who ALL believers belong. 🎺🎺🎺🇮🇱

[@amsterdamG2G]

​@dancing4himonly❤

[@magsy21]

Probably? The best comment here. 🙏🏆

[@dannywhite1165]

So in Matthew 5:18; which category more most closely aligned with your faith?

[@aaronlarsen7447]

@dancing4himonly I believe we all work out our salvation with God somewhat independent of any group. If I am being renewed by the washing of the Word, then I don't see the need to put myself under some organizations' strict dress code. I understand modesty. That's how I see it. Other people have reasons, I'm sure. My choice. God's scraps for me are better than anything this world can offer. Why do I have to find fault, or put myself above or below? I can give a reason for my hope, if anybody asks. It seems like you're trying to force a riff. Jewish history is important to me. Context that most Christians don't try and understand.

[@talirubinnow]

As a Jewish woman who just recognized Jesus at the age of 50 I think it is time for Christians to give up Christianity at the time it was necessary to spread God’s name amongst the גויים But it is no longer the case… Lo be the way you teach… שובו בנים שובבים

[@geeshade2018]

Sister, could you translate the final sentence from Hebrew in your comment please. I am learning Hebrew, thank you.

[@itsinthewords]

Come back, naughty boys@@geeshade2018. You are invited to my channel to learn more Hebrew; with love kzbin.info/aero/PLGWNWwcUktwKs6wzVqF1aRJxzFd2jbKuF

[@erinb6369]

I am grateful for this teaching & discussion. Here is where I struggle: if not one yod or stroke will be changed until heaven and earth pass away and everything is completed, then what about animal sacrifice? Did not Yeshua replace animal sacrifice with His? It makes me think of what Paul says about the letter vs. the spirit of the law. In some senses, did the interpretation of God's Law change?

[@maryraider4720]

To help you understand the animal sacrifices I recommend that you dig into Bradfords Leviticus study. He goes into great depth there. You will not only learn so much but be richly blessed by what Yeshua’s sacrifice really did for us! Blessings to you as you study the word!

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

Yeshua is the Sacrifice for Sin that NO animal sacrifice could have accomplished... HOWEVER... Yeshua's Sacrifice DID NOT do away with the sacrificial system... The Apostles (including Paul) Paul PROVE this by keeping the Feasts: Day of Pentecost Acts 2:2 When the Day of Shavuot (Pentecost) had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. -How did they receive the holy spirit after Yeshua ascended? They were observing the Day of Shavuot that Sunday. Acts 20:16 - 16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Shavuot (Pentecost). -Paul was hurrying to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years. 1 Corinthians 16:8 - But I will tarry in Ephesus until Shavuot (Pentecost). -Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus. Passover and Unleavened Bread Acts 20:6 - 6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days. -Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed? Acts 12:1 through 4 - 1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened Bread. 1 Corinthians 5:7 through 8 - 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. -Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread, 1 Corinthians 11:23 through 25 - 23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” -Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days. Acts 12:1 through 4 - 1Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover. -Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread, Feast of Tabernacles Acts 18:20 and 21 - 20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus. The Day of Atonement Acts 27:9 through 10 - 9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.” -Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”, So why was Paul still observing all of these Feasts years after Yeshua's Ascension, if the sacrifices were abolished and no longer needed? Wouldn't Paul have received the revelations on the road to Damascus, when Jesus revealed himself to him that they were no longer needed? Paul was a Pharisee. He was one of the most learned men among the disciples. If he kept the feast days after Christ there was a reason for it. Of course there are some people who think everything in Jewish practice was abolished after Yeshua arose from the grave. That's not true either. Not all sacrifices were "Sin Sacrifices"... There were "wave offerings" (for Shavuot) There were "friendship offerings"... And there were also sacrifices to complete vows (Nazarene Vows)...

[@TheHenok30]

What did Paulus mean when he quoted Jeremiah where he wrote of the New Covenant as being DIFFERENT than the Old Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:8-9:1) - which could be broken by disobedience & was near DESTRUCTION [disappearance] (Heb. 8:13)? What did Paulus mean when he said that just as there was a change in the priesthood, there was likewise a change in the Law (Heb. 7:12). Paulus said we have LIBERTY in the New Law (1 Cor. 8:9; 10:29-33; Gal. 2:4). He also said that he who wants to fulfill part of the Law must fulfill the WHOLE Law (Gal. 5:3-4). What did Paulus mean? Why did Paulus write that Titus was not COMPELLED (forced) that he should be circumcised & that it was part of Christian liberty (Gal. 2:3-4)?

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

@@TheHenok30 The FIRST thing you ALWAYS have to keep in mind... Yeshua the Messiah DID NOT go against His Father's Words... (HE IS the WORD) Paul was FALSELY ACCUSED several times of Teaching against GOD's Laws... Knowing these things, then when you perceive that Paul or someone else in the Scriptures is speaking against the Scriptures... Your understanding is NOT correct... Knowing this... I will refer you to the ISR Scriptures Version of this verse: Hebrews 8:13 - By saying, ‘renewed,’ He has made the first old. Now what becomes old and growing aged is near disappearing. Both of the verses you posted (Jeremiah 31:31-33; Hebrews 8:8-10) explain how the "Old Covenant" will become a "New Covenant" written on our hearts... HOW does this happen and does it happen "all at once" or gradually? You need other verses to answer this: Ezekiel 36:26 and 27 - 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. WHEN did this happen? Acts 11:15 - As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He had fallen upon us at the beginning The Holy Spirit writes GOD's Laws on your heart "to cause you" to walk in GOD's Statutes and observe His ordinances"... Getting back to the question of whether or not this happens "all at once" or gradually... You'll note that in both Jeremiah 31:34 and Hebrews 8:11 there is a similar verse that reads: And they shall by no means teach each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ because they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. There are obviously STILL people who DON'T have the Laws of GOD written on their hearts... There are STILL men teaching to "KNOW YHVH (the LORD)... SOME people show that the Laws of GOD are written on their hearts... You will know them by their fruit... This is evidence that the old METHOD is slowly fading away... NOT the Law...

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

The NEXT thing that needs to be addressed is "Circumcision"... Circumcision was a requirement as part of the Abrahamic Covenant... Once Abram was in a covenantal relationship with God (Gen 15), Abram was a new man. And God gave Him a new name of Abraham (Gen 16:5) and reminded him of the promises of the covenant (Gen 16:6-8). After this, God “sealed” His covenant with a sign - circumcision... THIS Covenant was concerning "giving Abraham's descendants the land"... (Genesis 15:18) Moses was also required to circumcise his son before they entered the land... This was prior to Israel's rebellion in the wilderness and the bad witness, subsequently causing them to stay in the wilderness (desert) for 40 years... You will note that the whole time they were in the desert, NO ONE had been circumcised... And yet when it was decided by Yah for Israel to go into the land, then they were ALL circumcised...(Joshua 5:4) Leviticus 19:33 and 34 - 33When a foreigner resides with you in your land, you must not oppress him. 34You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God. (This included circumcision) Gentiles who are not circumcised are not part of the Abrahamic Covenant... (It's about the land, NOT salvation or covenant) In Colossians 2:11, Paul speaks of another "circumcision not made by hands"... This circumcision allows you to partake in ALL of the Feasts... Zechariah 14:16 tells us that even THE NATIONS will in the millennial kingdom... (The Nations have no requirement for physical circumcision)... Galatians 2:3 - Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. WHY was Titus NOT compelled to be circumcised? "even though he was a Greek" But yet WHY was Timothy was "compelled to be circumcised"? Acts 16:1 - 1 Paul came to Derbe and then to Lystra, where he found a disciple named Timothy, THE SON OF A BELIEVING JEWISH WOMAN and a Greek father. Freedom had NOTHING to do with circumcision... IF this was the case, then WHY would Paul take away Timothy's "freedom"?

[@rogerlanctot6709]

How would we know sin except the law says thiu shall not! & Who said thou shall not? Wasn't it G-D who told Adam " thou shall not " & we learned that the wages of sin IS death!!! So breaking the law of G-D has consequences. So once they the Jews were redeemed by the Passover, the sheding of blood, by grace & believing what Moses told them G-D said !!! Now how would they know what was sin or not except The Law was given. So we are saved by grace & now we know what the law says we can / should be able to keep it because G-D will be pleased because He gave to Moses to give it to the people. So what's so hard about keeping the Law which will only bring blessing to anyone who keeps it. How can you know sin except the law is given to tell you what is right or wrong? I fell those who don't want to keep the law are those who just want to live in sin. As James says show me the faith by thy work's!!! Keep the faith by keeping the LAW !!!🙏🖖🙏

[@simonskinner1450]

Tom you have misread Romans 4:2 , "works of the law" are transgressions of the law as Romans 3:20, not keeping the law which is the only means of justification.

[@BrandonAsbury]

Law hasnt been fulfilled. He still has three fall feast. Feast of trumpets which he will return day of atonement and feast of Tabernacles

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

Fulfill doesn't mean abolished............. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to (fulfil-->(Pleroo g4137) . . I have (fully preached)-->(Pleroo g4137) the gospel of Christ. Rom. 15:19 . . Many claim fulfill in Matt 5:17 means to Abolish, The Greek word Fulfill is Pleroo g4137, If thats true then these verses must also be Abolished right ? . . Matt 3:15 (Pleroo g4137) (Abolished) all righteousness. . Rom. 15:19 (Pleroo g4137) (Abolished) the gospel of Christ. . PHILI 2:2 (Pleroo g4137) (Abolish) my joy, . Colossians 1:25 (Pleroo g4137) (Abolish) the word of God;

[@BrandonAsbury]

@@JeffSmith-it4tm he still didn't he ascended after pentecost when did the rest get fulfill ? John if you love me keep my commandments? There's only one sit of commandments.

[@itscommonsense3128]

I guess i was raised Christian. We went to church a few dozen times. For whatever reason (i must have heard it in chirch as a child) when I had my sons i had them circumcised because i believed we were to do so... was i correct? Are males supposed to be circumcised even if they don't know if their lineage is jew or gentile?

[@creinicke1000]

I see pre-cross faithful trying to follow the law in 10 commandments, but I see all the added rules as not part of the law. I also wonder what the law will be during millinium. Will there be grace? Or will it go back to judgment under law? My problem with both pre - and post cross is that our sinful nature can not ever follow the law. We sin in our thoughts, even if not in deeds, so are Christians during this "time of gentiles" uniquely given grace? If grace is only for the body of christ, then how do the souls of all the rest of mankind get to heaven? Grace is the issue, I don't see it in OT, but that is confusing. Catholics traditions and Jewish traditions seem the same to me.. men trying to add to God's word. Where do messianic Jews fit?

[@gabriellehoffman7572]

So when Jesus teaches us to "Seek first the kingdom of God, and all these things will be added to you", it would seem, in light of your given context of the place od the law in a Christian's walk of faith, that He was teaching to obey the spirit of the fulfillment of the law, bc the Kingdom has come near, and the rest of our needs (not necessarily wants) in this earthly realm will be met by God.

[@johnharrington6122]

All you have to do is read the first 8 chapters in Romans ( KJV Bible ) , then read Romans 9,10,&11 and study Galatians ! John

[@TheTallhillbilly]

I'm an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist... I believe You are Saved by Grace and Grace alone least you Boast. I follow the 10 Commandments. Galatians 3-13 The Law is a Curse... Everytime you deny Salvation is from Grace and Grace alone you put Yeshua back up on the Cross... You ask Jesus to Forgive you, you ask Him into your heart and that's it... From rhis point on it's up to Abba God to mold you into what He wants...

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

you were saying ??........ James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

Sin is transgressing Gods law. 1 John 3:4 Torah Breakers, “Know ye not that the unrighteous (Transgressing Gods law 1 john 3:4) shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither 1 Corinthians 6:9 Fornicators (Deut 22:13-14, 28-29) Idolaters, (Exodus 20:4-5) Adulterers (Leviticus 20:10) Effeminate (Homosexuals (Leviticus 18:22) Abusers of themselves with mankind,”-Sodomites-(Genesis 19:4-7) Thieves (Exodus 20;8) Covetous (Exodus 20:10) Drunkards (Deut 21;20, Numbers 6) Revilers, (Leviticus 24:10-23, Exodus 20:16) Extortioners (Leviticus 19:35-37) shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

[@ladymae2007]

These truths require close examination....I know they are confusing but consider this: The curse is what happens to everyone who does not obey the law. The law itself is not the curse, but disobedience to the law incurs the curse. The curse of the law is the penalty that comes from breaking God’s law. Paul then explains that: Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),

[@markhauserbible7168]

It's very easy to teach a subject (The Law) and be convincing, if we only use the scriptures that point in that direction. Jesus did say, he did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. Mt5:17. So, what did Jesus mean by FULFILL? I believe he did this by his death on the cross. And bringing the New Covenant. Heb 8:6-10 speaks to this. Although Jesus did not destroy the law, something did happen to the Law, when Jesus fulfilled it. Heb 7:11-19 Touches on this.

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

Actually the word "Covenant' was added by translators and should say Priesthood. A New Priesthood I give you.

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

Here Are Examples Of Paul Keeping Torah: * Circumcised Timothy (Acts 16:1-3) * Took the nazarite vow (Acts 18:18; 21:17-26) * Taught and observed Gods holy days such as: * Passover (Acts 20:6; 1Cor. 5:6-8; 11:17-34) * Shavuot (Pentecost) (Acts 20:16; 1Cor. 16:8) * Fasting on Yom Kippur (Acts 27:9) . Paul and others made a Temple sacrifice for their Nazarite vow, . So Paul went to the Temple the next day with the other men. They had already started the purification ritual, so he publicly announced the date when their vows would end and sacrifices would be offered for each of them. Acts 21:26 . . Paul kept the Sabbath Acts 18:4 - And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.(Gentiles) . . Paul taught that a believer in Yeshua the Messiah is saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). . After we are saved by grace through faith, Paul taught that we should follow the Torah (Romans 3:28-31). . . Paul followed the Torah through the help of the Holy Spirit (Romans 7:22). . . Paul did not teach people to observe the law in order to be saved or justified. . . That was not the purpose of the law. . . He taught them to observe the law in order to honor God as they walked out the Christian life in the footsteps of their Lord Jesus. . . By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep HIS commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. .....1 John 5:2-3 KJV . . I dont have all the bible answers but IF Messiah declared the unclean, clean, by abolishing the Law of Elohim His PERFECT TORAH, Psalms 19:7, Instructions, Teachings for righteous SET APART living in this evil wicked world then HE SINNED by transgressing Deut 4:2 AND that would make Isaiah a False Prophet for making this end time prophesy of Messiahs return ….. Isaiah 66:15-17 . For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. . 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. . 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

[@markhauserbible7168]

First of all, in your other reply. You said the word COVENANT was NOT in the original language. And it should be PRIESTHOOD. Thats NOT true from what I have studied. As to this reply, you left out many scriptures that would be helpful to understand why Paul did what he did. 1Cor 9:19-22. Paul said in Rm10:4 Christ is the END of the law for righteousness. This means we are NOT under the law for our salvation. We both agree on this. So, what does the END of the law mean now. I believe it's a spiritual thing now. Rm7:12-14/ Gal5:18/ Heb8:10. When I see people teach, we should keep the LAW, like the O.T. teaches. My first thought is, do they keep the Sabbath? (I do believe this was changed by Constantine) Almost no one says they KEEP the Sabbath, and if they say they DO keep the Sabbath. My next question is HOW do they keep it? You are right brother; we don't know all the things of God. Thats why we need his GRACE. Yours in Christ @@JeffSmith-it4tm

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

@@markhauserbible7168 everyone knows except maybe you when words are in italics they're added words......the word "Covenant' in Hebrews 8 is in italics..... glad I was able to teach you today.

[@JeffSmith-it4tm]

You speak fluent Hebrew and Greek like this man ??? Hebrews Unplugged: Thoughts on 8:13 | Tetze Torah Ministries kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHfYaWabq76XirM

[@gabriellehoffman7572]

For the gentile, don't the judgments of gentile nations like Assyria demonstrate God's holding them accountable to the "natural law" of their own consciences which they had clearly violated-crimes such as gratuitous violence, torture, and disfigurement of their enemies-fellow human beings. The minor prophetsvthen go on to say that the Jews would be held to a much HIGHER standard BC they had the Law and were conscious of an even higher standard. How much more, then, will we as Christians, with the knowledge of how Christ fulfilled the Law, be held accountable for fulfilling this even HIGHER standard of which we are now aware AND spiritually equipped by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Is THIS what that verse about "Having a form of godliness but denying its power" is referring to?

[@Antiguanian]

As a separate TOPIC IDEA tell us how God split against and within Himself, as Jesus became sin, repellant to God the Father, Totally pure. For three days?

[@stephendavies2925]

I agree with what is said, but the belief in original sin undermines the teaching. How many can say, I am free from sin? Yet Christ came to set men free! If we cannot boast in the work of Christ, then there must be fault somewhere! This is why many have come to the conclusion, the law is done away with! They know they have sin, so they hold to, Christ having defeated sin on their behalf and imputed that righteousness to them from past, present and future sins. In this they escape from the condemnation of the law! It is an irrational idea, but works on a superficial level to nil the conscience. But I think this line of thought is inevitable when holding the idea of original sin.

[@roberttablit3142]

Mr Bradford please lt me know, does that we should become Jews, not Messianic Jews, but Torah Jews?

[@TorahClass]

Hello! Please refer to our statement of faith found here: torahclass.com/our-beliefs/

[@user-fh9xx7ko9f]

Spiritual Jew, A Gentile outwardly and a Jew inwardly. “But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭29‬ ‭

[@yolandahernandez9154]

The messiah was the One that has the Sacred word of God . Exodus 3 : 11-15. 14. At this God said to Moses : “ I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be .” And he added ; “ This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘ I shall prove to be has sent me to you.” 15. Then God said once more to Moses: “ This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel ‘ Yahweh the God of your forefathers, The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob , Has sent me to you ; This is my name to time indefinite, And this is the memorial of me To generations to generation . Who did the Almighty God sent to talk to Moses, ? Christ, ( messiah ) .

[@Cynthia-sm5uj]

Yep, thats what i call them, Constantinians

[@sisterbecky411]

What laws did Jesus nail to the cross?

[@marike27]

He didn't nail laws to the cross. He nailed the curse of the laws. Which is dead. But He did not nail the laws itself

[@N3773B]

No more sacrifice

[@sisterbecky411]

@@N3773B .. I agree & all ceremonial laws

[@carolynklestinec8589]

Doesn't it also say the least will become the greatest or first ? And that the first will become last ? . Paul does not preach against the " laws" but tells us that the law does not bring us to SALVATION. Jesus, also, just in that phrase says the same . That he is the FULFILLMENT of the law and prophets. also Jesus said the greatest commandments are to love your God with all your might and love your neighbors like yourselves. And that all other commandments would be fulfilled under those 2 .!!!!

[@simonskinner1450]

By keeping the Torah given to Abraham believers in the NT receive God's grace (blessing), the same grace of the spiritual Israelite, who had to keep the Torah by faith. Neither Christianity, Judaism or Islam are legitimate as none follow the Torah of Abraham, the Mosaic Jews mistakenly thought atonement brought grace, but sacrifice for sin only gave them a chance to come to faith in the church. Christianity believes Jesus atoned for sins at the Cross for God's grace, but there was no atonement or grace at the Cross. Paul learned he was mistaken as a Mosaic Jew, and established himself as an Abrahamic Jew, keeping the Torah by faith as Jesus had. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.

[@carolynklestinec8589]

You just read that until, UNTIL everything that has happened will happen . ( his death and resurrection?) Or the passing away of heaven and earth ? Following the tribulations and the NEW JERUSALEM??? who really can know ?? Oh yes , God knows.!!!

[@Samsunga14-pg2du]

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[@ronkebarber6238]

Since Genesis 1:26, when God decided to make man in His image- that sent satan round the bend! He had always wanted to be like God Isaiah 14:14, and now a mere man, made out o dust - meat for the serpent Genesis 3:14, (believers are lively stones of Jesus Christ, the Living Stone 1 Peter 2:5, impossible for the serpent to devour) the privilege of having God on the inside of Him, Genesis 2:7, John 20:22, making him like God! So, he began to scheme to show God that he was more worthy and God had made a mistake! Who is like God! That was the name God gave the angel He sent to fight against satan and the third of the angels Revelation 12:7, at their mutiny to get God out of heavenly mount Zion- Michael, and he had to call that name numerous times during the battle, which made him smaller and less powerful, until they were cast down to earth and broke all their precious coverings that made them proud Isaiah 14:13 Ezekiel28:13-17 (Now the precious stones adorn the breastplate of the high priest!) Genesis 3:15, man and satan were each given a seed, and the seed of the serpent will bruise the heel of the seed of the woman, and the seed of the woman will crush the head of the seed of the serpent. Thus, satan began to look for ways to thwart God's plan of having man at His side, so he found ways to steal, kill and destroy! He began to mix the genes of seed of man with his seed and of other creatures Genesis 6. He'd rather spoil the seed of man than have man be redeemed and restored to fellowship, which spells his doom- the crushing of the head of his seed! So, he began to influence man's decision from then on. Abraham had Ishmael outside of God's will Genesis 15. He thought God would reject Abraham, but God only disciplined him with the sign of circumcision Genesis 16, as a deterrent for Abraham not to think of messing up again before the seed if promise is born, and renewed His covenant in Genesis 17. Since then, satan began to include his own seed to confuse God into blessing it, for if God does destroy it, man wouldn't know which seed was which, so satan followed the first born blessing route. He added Esau with Jacob, and God declared He hated Esau, and loved Jacob, Obadiah, for clarification. Satan messed with Joseph, who was the firstborn of Jacob from his favorite wife, Rachel, and influenced her to steal her father's idols, which would have been a snare, had she succeeded in getting to Bethel with the family, she would have set it up and it would have become a confusion when serving the God of their Fathers, so she was permitted to die, and prophesied about the coming Seed, who would be a suffering Messiah- Benoni, but Jacob changed it to Benjamin, the Son of God's right hand, or the anointed One! God chose Judah, by grace 1 Chronicles 5:1-2, and satan began to mess with him through his sons. They didn't want to have children, and God dealt with them, and eventually Tamar had a seed with Judah Pharez, but satan added his own- Zerah. It went on till Moses, when satan put it in Pharaoh to kill all children at the age he believed the Seed would be at that time. He put his seed in Absalom, who was described as perfect as him 2 Samuel 18:, and he succeeded in getting David out of his throne on earthly Mount Zion, which was a replica of heavenly Mount Zion, until he was killed, by hanging on a tree, accursed, with 3 javelins struck his heart,12 Samuel 18:9-17, his source of pride 2 Samuel 14:25-26; Ezekiel 28:17, and instead of the sides of the North, he was cast down and buried on the sides of the pit as prophesied 2 Samuel 18:17; Isaiah 14:15; Luke 10:18-19. Since our Lord decided to redeem man, He took on the nature of man: the promised Seed of Abraham Hebrews 2:16-18. Satan did the same when Jesus was born, because he didn't know who the seed would be, thus, he made Herod to kill all babies around His age. Now, he sees Jesus baptized, heaven opens and everyone hears the voice of God, validating, confirming Him as His Only Begotten Son , that they must hear and listen to! Matthew 3:17, 17:2-5 Psalm 2:7; Isaiah 9:6-7; 2 Peter 1:17. This led to his tempting Jesus. 1) to know if He was indeed the long sought promised Seed. 2) if He was, he wanted Him to make a mistake in His response that would destroy God's plan of salvation of and eventual redemption and restoration of man, through Jesus Christ, the Messiah. 3) if He wasn't the Messiah, he would be able to tempt him as others, and lead him to his death- as He would have wanted to prove Himself to satan, and to men, by His own efforts and wisdom. Thus, satan God people especially, the rich young ruler and Judas, and others, to persecute, during His ministry and on the cross Matt. 27:43.Him such that He wouldn't be able to complete the task He was given by His Father, for the redemption of fallen mankind! Satan only confirmed He was the Messiah after His death on the cross, and by then, it was too late. Matt. 27:54 He is now finishing what he began at this time, against all who would believe on the Son of God, as heirs and joint heirs of salvation with Him! Now, only a remnant remains from the original See of Promise, 144,000 Jews, from Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and the Body of Christ- very few members, as He is the Head, and a multitude that will be saved by their refusal to worship the beast and pay with their lives- from the seeds of Hagar, and Keturah Genesis 15, 25, who already came to affirm their pledge to Him as the way back into their father's inheritance, through Whom they also have access to God the Father. Genesis 25:; Matthew 2, the Kings from the East, with whom God had no relationship before the advent of the Messiah! Ephesians 2:12. Man will go back to Eden, there will be a second opportunity and man will prevail Isaiah 65, and the earth will be renewed, the olddestroyerd, Joel 2, 2 Peter 3, in the battle of armageddon. Then, a new heaven and earth created Revelation 21. The Heavenly mount Zion will now be in the midst of man and the Lamb, the Light of it Revelation 21. In light of this fact that there were two seeds at the beginning, and one is the promised Seed, we all have been given the opportunity to choose, if we want to be on His side, or on the other side, there's no sitting on the fence: God has also made it easy to get our naturalization papers and be adopted into sonship with Jesus Christ, if we so desire John 1:12-14, by grace through faith in the gospel of the salvation of our souls, by the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and he will return to take them all up and out of this world, and present them blameless, with exceeding joy before the throne of His Father, our heavenly Father. Otherwise, we will only be looking forward to the tribulation. No one has to be part of it. Whatever in this world that may make us miss heaven, it's never worth it. Hebrews chapters 6 and 10.

[@MichaelPetrone-ng5yx]

No more emnity between Jew and Gentile in the broken body of Jesus - ONE NEW MAN - If it's Grace it's no more works - if it's works it's no more grace - Romans Ch 8 3-4 James used the sacrifice of Isaac as an example for works - Abraham was already justified by faith (ALONE) in believing the promise would produce many sons - the offering of Isaac by faith was a picture of the fulfillment of the promise - (The RESURRECTION) Thats what the demons who tremble that James was referring to are so frightened of - If Jesus is not risen from the dead then your faith is in vain and you are still dead in your sins and my preaching is for nothing - what was Paul preaching ? - THE CROSS

[@ronkebarber6238]

The "Church ", isn't the building where people congregate to worship who or what they like, it is the New Creation of God, made up of believers in the sacrificial death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, from all over the world, no matter their background. They're daily infilled with and led by the Holy Spirit, kept in His fold until He returns to redeem His purchased possession, as promised, and present them faultless before the presence of God the Father. The Holy Spirit has left these buildings, thus they can do as they please. They didn't say they wanted to be saved or seek eternal life with Christ Jesus in God, by the leading of the Holy Spirit, so, let them be. Nebuchadnezzar and the Romans could only enter the temple to destroy it only after the presence and glory of GOD left Ezekiel chapters 8-11; Matthew 24:1. The restraining power had left! This power instantly killed even the high priest who came with the tiniest of sin, how much more the heathen or unbelievers. The end justifies the means. They're doing what feels best for them, knowing that this world is programmed to fail- everything is geared toward vanity. Esau had his bowl of porridge, he lived to regret it. Most of these preachers already got fat from the offerings and tithes of gullible, unsuspecting congregants, and they're blinded by the five senses, which only ends in death and destruction. Life only comes in abiding in Christ Jesus till the end. John 8:21; Matthew 24:13. They're feeling good, so let them enjoy their fleeting time. They didn’t know the Way, the Truth and the Life, but they're putting together their own truth, to sell to those who would buy it. The five foolish virgins are already lining up to "buy" oil for their dead lamp, because they didn't bring enough. Both they and the sellers will be outside of the shut gate...but, there's still time this day, for any of them who would turn back to the fold. If they can bear to leave their temporal comfort zones, and seek for the eternal. 1 John 2:19; Hebrews chapters 6 and 10. No excuses on that day!

[@ronkebarber6238]

Jesus Christ originally came to save the Jews. He was the minister for the circumcision Matthew 10:5; Romans 15:8. After They rejected Him, He went to the cross for the whole world. John 12:32. Before these events, God had rejected Israel and turned His back on all their feast days. God created the world in seven days, rested in the seventh, and proclaimed it the sabbath day. Unfortunately, His sabbatical REST was disturbed. Thus, He got up and began a new set of WORK- of Salvation of the lost soul of man to the devil, death and hell and eternal separation from Him. Man lost fellowship with God, and God was going to restore it. Thus, Jesus Christ continued this work John 5:17 and completed it in John 19:30. He died, was buried and rose again from the dead on the 3rd day. He ascended into heaven and SAT at the right hand of God the Father. Thus, He became the REST for all who believe in Him as Lord and Savior Isaiah 62:1-2! Jesus Christ WORKED during sabbath days, because these were the days that the Jews usually congregated together, in order to keep God's commandment to keep it holy, even though they always defiled it, by their own interpretation of God's commandment, which ended at the beginning of the dispensation of Grace- or rather, Salvation and redemption by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and the sacrificial work on the cross. Daniel 9; Daniel 12:4; and returns to gather all Believers, and present them faultless before the presence of God the Father Jude 24; Revelation 5; Luke 4:17-18; Jeremiah 12:7; Luke 16:16; Amos 5:23. Although God was no longer dealing with them, they still continued to obey the commandments in blatant disregard for the very God they were supposed to be sacrificing to. Even those supposed Christian holidays and feast days are kept in blatant disregard of the grace they profess to save them. John 4:24. Jesus said that God is looking for those who would worship Him in Spirit, and in Truth, any other way is blasphemous! Jesus Christ has become the Sabbath, the REST for His people Hebrews chapters 3 and 4. The sabbath observations will return after the grace period and at the start of the 70th year of Israel. They will flee during the tribulation period, Zechariah 14, and the 70th week year of Jews ushers in the returning to the promised land leading to the millennium Isaiah 66:23. What you are doing is building the scriptures on the false foundation of SDA. This is another gospel, according to Galatians 1. In conclusion, neither Sabbath nor Sunday keepers are correct. As long as you're in Christ, you have become a new Creation, old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:14-17. Stop putting old wine in new bottles. That is exactly why the bottle of religion is already broken and spilling worldwide and being mocked, and christianity has become a byword. Matthew 9:17. It doesn't matter how many places one has preached. The Lord is not speaking all these through you. Hebrews 1:1-14. The Holy Spirit is the Person in charge of Believers at this time, John 14:26; Romans 8:9, 14, not men and their different interpretation of the scriptures, and definitely not to use religion to lord it over God's people for whom Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. REMEMBER, GOD DEALS WITH MAN IN DISPENSATIONS! SABBATH OBSERVATIONS WILL RETURN WHEN THE JEWS ARE RETURNED TO TTHE PROMISED LAND: IT'S ALL ABOUT ISRAEL The Church is different, that is why God revealed the vision for the Church to the Apostle John, Revelation chapters 1-4; and resumed the Revelation for end time Israel for Daniel Revelation. Chapters 4-19... Study to make yourself approved unto GOD, not man.

[@helenerickson2195]

Today I have learned: 1. Receiving Grace first, then learning Mosaic law. 2. The Lawlessness and abomination one is against Mosaic law, not social merit nor culture law. Therefore, this anti Christ emerges from "church". Thank you!

[@geraldcortez826]

You need to be honest even the verse with James you even quoted that the gentles had to keep them 3 things. But don't have to be circumcise also the Sabbath was a contract between God and the Jews, even Jews said that it wasn't for all people. Even Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The ordinances are nailed to the cross, Paul said don't judge anyone by foods or holy days. We have scripture on legal terms, even Paul says don't be circumcise or Christ won't profit you anything. Because instead of trusting Jesus Christ and His covnent you want to become a Jew and take on the Jews covnent. Even the Jews of the dead sea scrolls knew that Jesus would be God and He would bring in the age of grace. They told the exact date He would do this and the destruction of the temple. We definitely keep the law. As Jesus said but just like I can't go to Israel and build a house and say God gave me this land. I am not under the same covnent. We are given grace to bring the Jews to jealously so that they may be saved. I am not a Jews I am a Christian. Only given grace because the Jews rejected their salvation in Christ. I am one of the poor people who was sitting in the streets and the Lord invited me to the feast. But I think any true Christian knows you can not enter into that feast without clothes on. What is our clothes? Our righteous act are that white clothes us obeying Jesus Christ. If in Acts Paul, Peter and James didn't say the Holy Spirit seems good not to put no other burden on the gentles. Then we need to be circumcise and keep Sabbath. But we have scripture. And Acts and Paul would have to be a lie if you believe otherwise, but before anyone goes that far, maybe read the testament of Benjamin that was dated before Christ was born in the dead sea scrolls, that gives witness to Paul being of God. I have studied this because I don't believe in grace alone. And Jesus also said if the priest circumcise a child on the Sabbath and is blameless. How do you want to kill Me because I made a man whole on the Sabbath. Also we have first century church records that Jesus said to Sabbatzie every day, and if you truly keep the first commandment to love God with all your heart and soul and mind and might. You will honor every day in Jesus our rest the same. After all the first century church would keep both the Sabbath and the Agape feast aka first day of the week. This was not a Catholic thing 🙄 but they did pervert it later. Look it up. You have to deal with scripture to force people to believe that they have to keep Sabbath. I honor God every day, the very word means rest. To do it right you would stay in your house and rest, don't cook don't go outside and pick up sticks. Stay inside and don't do anything but rest. Anyway I do agree that too many Christians believe that grace alone is all that's needed, and no we keep law but not ordinances. Anyway rest in Jesus and walk in His ways. So your not lawless. Loving everyone. Also so your not thrown into hell for being heartless, these are the two reasons Jesus never knew Christians. It's that narrow way. Stay in between to enter into the straight gate Jesus Christ. Not going to far to the left legalization like the Pharisees or to far as these false Christians into grace without works. Keep them scales ⚖ level 💯

[@ronkebarber6238]

The law and grace are two parallel lines, they cannot meet. The Holy Spirit cannot operate in law observing "Christians "- both Jews and gentiles. God sent Jesus, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, until He takes up all who would simply believe in His sacrificial work of salvation and redemption of the lost soul of man No law abiding people can be filled with and led by the Holy Spirit, thus, they are not the sons of God, by adoption into Christ. John 1:12-14; Romans 8:9,14. After the rapture of the church, the day of vengeance of our God is presented, after which the world will be condemned and judged. Then, God will personally forgive Israel, and cast away all their sins into the sea and make it disappear for ever. Jeremiah 31:31-34; Micah 7:18-19; Revelation 21. God is not dealing with Israel at this time. All believers are made up of both Jew and gentile believers. No messianic believers, no gentle believers, but they're members in particular of the body of Christ. The fold of Jesus Christ is uniquely for only those who would believe- whosoever they are.

[@dawnemile7499]

Jesus was sacrificed once for all time, Hebrews 10:1-18, doing away with the need for animal sacrifices. Also, we don't have slaves nor do we stone people or animals to death anymore.

[@jy7383]

The simple answer is NO.

[@ronkebarber6238]

Galatians 3:1-29. The death of Jesus Christ made everyone "children of God by faith" ( in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ), heirs, and joint heirs with Him. Romans 8:16-17; John 1:12-14. The Jews already rejected Jesus Christ as both Messiah and King. He eventually went to the cross for this reason, and His sacrificial death, burial, and resurrection became available to all- Jews and Gentiles alike. John 12:32; Ephesians 2:1-22. Luke 4:24; John 7:5; Matthew 14:57; 1 Corinthians 1:23; Matthew 27:25; John 19:15. Romans chapter 1- God's indictment of the gentiles Romans chapter 2- God's indictment of the Jews Romans chapter 3- All Jews and Gentiles concluded in sin and condemned so that all could obtain mercy, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Romans 11:25-36; 15:8-13. Study to make yourself approved unto GOD only... God will return to Israel after the Church is taken up, and Israel completes her 70th year of captivity. Remember that God was dealing with them by the prophets- Jeremiah- when Israel went back to Egypt as threatened- Numbers 14; Jeremiah chapters 41-43; and Ezekiel was taken up in the Spirit to them Ezekiel 3:11; 11:24, and Daniel finally prayed for God to remember to get them back to the promised land at the 69th week year of their captivity. But they were not yet ready to be obedient to God, thus He sent Jesus Christ to seek and save them as prophesied in Ezekiel 34, Jeremiah 23 etc, and God will pardon their iniquities personally Micah 7:19; Jeremiah 31:33-34 etc. If anyone is not saved by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial, and resurrection in this dispensation, they will be left behind to personally atone and die for their sins. Then the complete Body of Jesus Christ will return to rescue the remnant Jews Zechariah 14; Matthew 24:31, and the rest will be destroyed with the world.

[@ronkebarber6238]

The millennium is the end of the cycle of the end of sin. Man had a thousand years curse the day Adam and Eve disobeyed God. A day is like a thousand years. The oldest man was Methuselah, he lived 969 years, and the last Adam lived 30 years as the Son of man, a human- Jesus Christ, then He was filled with the Holy Spirit, to become the Son of God 100%God and 100% man, just like the first Adam, who was created flesh and God breathed into his nostrils, to have 100% God in 100% man. Thus, when the mystery of iniquity is dealt with, after the 70th week year of Israel, then the whole world will be destroyed at the second coming of Jesus Christ. This will usher in the kingdom of God, for which Jesus Christ came to preach to Israel, before the gospel of grace- for both Israel and the gentiles, because they rejected their King. The scriptures are going back in cycles, we're now in Genesis 6, 11 and 47.It is like going back to the garden of Eden Isaiah 65; Genesis 5, when man will have to live out the whole 1000 years curse, which ends the wages of sin- death, which ends the cycle of creation, until the new heavens and the new earth is established, where there's no more sin and death. Then the judgment and rewards, abd the institution of mandatory pilgrimage to the New Jerusalem, and then, the Sabbath will be observed, signifying the end of work of both Creation and Redemption of the lost soul of man. Isaiah 66. Every nation will worship God, because there will no longer be evil or Satan present. All have been judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone- including death, hell, satan, the antichrist and his false prophets and those that bare his mark. The world will be as God in tended it right from the beginning, after the old earth and the heavens are completely destroyed by fire. 2 Peter 2:10-13; Isaiah 65:17; 66:,15-16, 22; 30:30;9:5 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Joel 2:10;; Nahum 1:5; Zephaniah 1:15-28; 3:8: Ezekiel 32:7-9; Revelation 20:1; Revelation 20:9-11, etc.

[@JimFielding-lo8nf]

Jan Carter 2338. Hihihihihi. Good question, I am not full of mumbo jumbo yet concerning mixing elixir of law w/Christ who is only who ever lived up to law, so the pharisee's Crucified Him. And have been having talk, talk, talk shows ever since. To many lawwwyyyuhs.

[@curtisblanco4029]

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[@ronkebarber6238]

God is omniscient. He knows everything. He prepared a body for His only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to come and feel in the flesh, all what man is going through, while He Himself remains sinless, meaning, He doesn't indulge in sin. So, He eventually was condemned as a sinner- study Mark 14:51, the story of the naked young man. That was the reason Jesus's sweat were like drops of blood, when He got to the last sin He had to deal with that would condemn Him to shame, torture and consequently, a cursed death on the cross- simply because He was set up in the middle of the night, as He prayed, in the garden of Gethsemane, to be doing stuff the laws condemned with penalty of death, by stoning, but was cranked up to become dead on the cross. Judas kissed him, not a peck in the cheek but a full blown kiss, in order to set him up, but he didn't know his act was just a distraction, the people that hired him, already prepared a worse scenario- using the young guy that fled into the night naked. Mark 14:51-52. Jesus Christ refused to tattle on him, nor did he ask them to go get him to speak for him, because He came for the very reason, to die for the undeserved, who, if and when they come to this realization, would immediately repent and accept the cleansing power of the blood that bought them. He even became their high Priest, who is touched by the feeling of their infirmity, understanding where they come from, but hoping they will come to Him and cast it all on Him, and take His Rest! He already made that call!!! Will you answer, will you imagine what they must have done to him, with such a charge, in that day and age? All just to make atonement for every sin conceivable, including what you're struggling with at this moment! Give it all to Him! Being mad at the preacher will not assuage your guilt and self- condemnation, and self torture and self hatred and self judgment. He already did it all- for YOU!!! Which of these religious leaders who abbet them ever promised to pray to God for them. How can the blind lead the blind? Anyone that has encountered God by the preaching of the gospel of salvation by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and still remain unconcerned and unrepentant, has already forfeited his mercy, and grace that bought him from the devil, who has the power of sickness, afflictions, terror, oppression, death and the grave. No escaping him. Let the love of God for you, in Christ Jesus, constrain you to listen, receive, accept, confess, believe and abide in His love, justification from all your sins, past, present and future, And live the new life purchased by the shedding of His blood, and by imputting God's righteousness that declared you "faultless, blameless ", before the presence of God, with whom you have to give an account, whether you like it or not! No excuses on that day, for God will definitely be Just and Righteous when He metes out judgment, and all mouths will be quiet!

[@ronkebarber6238]

Jesus Christ is the Head of the body Colossians 1 :18. Believers are members of His body. 1 Corinthians 12:12-27. Jesus is just the Head, and as He prepares to come, those who are dead in Him will be resurrected first 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, as the trumpets are sounded, out of the grave, and go up and find their places in His body- in their order. Then, when it gets to the outermost parts, God will blow the last trumpet, and those that are alive and remain- meaning, abiding, watching, waiting, expecting, and love His appearing, will be caught up to fill up the rest of the parts of His body- in the twinkling of an eye, 1 Corinthians 15:52, and the new Creation 2 Peter 1:4; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Romans 8:19; James 1:18, the adopted sons of God in Christ Jesus, is now ready! A gigantic unseen hitherto Creation that will replace Lucifer- the cherub that covered, Ezekiel 28:14-16, who was the closest to God. And this new Creation gets to sit at the right hand of God in heavenly places, and no place for rhe devil anymore! Revelation 12:7-8. Thus, believers already had their positions ready in His body- they're already sitted by faith with Him, Ephesians 2:6, in God, far above all principalities and powers and dominions and thrones and names, and all His enemies will become footstool for His (and our) feet and God has given all judgment to Him! John 5:22. We are now being made to be like Him 1 John 3:2-3. Just like He is at the moment we accept Him as Lord and Savior. We ask, and He gives us His Holy Spirit Luke 11:13, and He finds His place inside of us, as God's life- just like God breathed into the nostrils of Adam at creation, Genesis 2:7, and he became a living soul, likewise, Jesus Christ also breathed unto the dead, unregenerated man, at salvation, John 20:22, and he became a redeemed soul, to be ransomed at rapture. Then this life in him is developed day by day as he walks by the leading of the Holy Spirit, in the word of God, and is being transformed from glory to glory, 2 Corinthians 3:18, until he grows up to the fullness of the stature of Christ Ephesians 4:13- meaning to the exact measurement of the part he is, as a member of His body. It has to fit! This also is a mystery, but God does what He has purposed! Thus, man, who the devil has been trying to erase out of the system, has obtained what he lost and can never get back, and much more, now, man gets to sit- flesh and bone, in the presence of God, above even the angels! They don't need to be tried, because they abided in the fold till the end John 10; John 15; Matthew 24:13. The rest of the believers who do not make the body, which were delivered during the tribulation, for they are many Revelation 7:9, are given their rewards as their works shows, when they're tried by fire! 1 Corinthians 3:13-15; Revelation 22:12. So now, we get to decide where we want to be. God will always be righteous and just when He metes out judgment, and every mouth will be stopped on that day! Romans 3:19. He is appearing very soon! Be watchful, be prayerful and love His appearing!

[@nonrev64]

Yeshua is the law giver how can he do away with his self.

[@eyesopened1268]

Paul is comparable to the tree of knowledge of both good and evil in the Garden of Eden, God used that tree to test Adam and Eve's obedience to God's commands. Should we be surprised to find that he has used the teachings of Paul to test our faithfulness to Christ's teachings. Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth over and over again throughout his epistles. He masks this fact by saying to the Jew, he became as a Jew, and to the Gentile, he became as a Gentile. In fact he was a chameleon, a shape shifter to fit every circumstance. At one point Paul asks the rhetorical question, " Do we then nullify the Law by this faith? Certainly not! "- Romans 3:31. While in another verse he teaches we have been released from the law- Romans 7:6-7. The law which Paul claims Christians have been released from is the Law of Moses, as Paul points out that; except the Law had said " thou shalt not covet, I would not had known lust". - Romans 7:7. Thou shall not covet is the 10th commandment. In Galatians 5:1-4 Paul says Jesus becomes of none effect to those who would think to be justified by the Law. In Hebrews 7:18 Paul says the Law was weak and unprofitable. Paul also taught it was permissable to eat foods sacrificed to idols, just don't ask questions if the unbeliever bids you to a feast; rather eat what ever they might set before you.- 1Cor 10:27. Paul says an Idol is nothing! - 1Cor 8:4. Did the Father teach us that an Idol is nothing? While Jesus rebuked 2 of the 7 churches in Revelation for eating meat sacrificed to an idol, he referred to this practice as an abomination, as referred to it as Baalams error. Paul said it was all a matter of a man's strong or weak conscience, and not about God's command. Paul was a false apostle. He did not meet the requirements of an apostle; set forth in Acts 1:21-26. Neither could Paul have encountered Jesus, once he had ascended to the right hand of the Father, according to Acts 3:21; for this verse explains that " Jesus MUST remain in heaven until the restitution of all things" the restitution of all things has yet to occur. Jesus never left heaven, so who was the light being Paul encountered ? Is it only a coincidence that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light ? Jesus will not return until Israel calls out for him, saying " blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". And when he returns every eye will see it. Paul is himself the " strong delusion " which he wrote about in his epistle to the Thessalonians. His teachings were allowed by God to be in our bibles; much in the same way as the serpent was permitted to be in the garden. God is testing us- Duet 13:3 Paul himself spoke of this, the strong delusion, would come upon the whole world; to those who have not a love of the truth. Of course he would have known this , since he would instigate the great deception. Jesus is the truth, but the majority of christians love Paul far more than they love Jesus, as thier actions speak louder than words. Rejecting the Law, to be saved by grace through faith without the deeds of the law. Paul is their Shephard, they have denied the Son; for it is Paul's voice they follow, not Christs. Jesus asks; why do you call me Lord Lord, yet do not do the things that I say? The outcome for those who would make this mistake can be found in Matt 7: 21-23. Oddly enough Paul would tell Timothy that all those in Asia had turned away from him, as they had obviously came to understand that Paul was not walking in the Spirt of Christ.It is Paul's epistles which have been used to greatly influence the doctrines of " Pagan Christianity". I pray people will come to an understanding about how Paul usurped the true gospel of Jesus, for a cheap gospel of grace through faith alone. Paul uses Abraham's "belief " as a bases for his false gospel, while Gen 26:5 makes it clear that Abraham's faith was clearly demonstrated through his obedience to God's commandments. The church is rapidly running out of time to repent of their rejection of God's Son. The church has failed to spread the true gospel of the Kingdom that Christ instructed us to take into all the world. We must repent and get the truth out before it's too late.

[@amsterdamG2G]

......maybe YOU are also misunderstanding Paul as well as the 'church'....you portray Paul as a hypocrite but could you suffer for the Gospel as he did?

[@jackson18021]

Read and meditate on the conversion of Paul ( former Saul) and you will see God has appointed him for a such mission to spread the gospel of the new testament to the gentiles. All Jews must accept Jesus as their Only Messiah im order to be saved. The gentiles had accept the salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, the real Passover . Let's the Holy Spirit open your eyes to the glorious name of Jesus Christ

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

Paul was Yeshua's chosen vessel (Acts 9:15) Paul brought a man back from the dead (Acts 20:9) Paul struck a sorcerer blind (Acts 13:1 through 12) People were healed just by touching cloths that Paul touched... (Acts 19:12) Peter told us that IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, Paul's writings AS THEY DO THE REST OF THE SCRIPTURES, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16) Paul was constantly being FALSELY ACCUSED of NOT keeping the Laws of GOD and teaching others to do the same (Acts 21) Just so you know... Paul made up ways to explain things... When Paul spoke of a Law that Christians are "no longer under"... He was speaking of the "Law of Sin and of Death", NOT the Laws of GOD... I pray that you delve into the context and culture in which Paul was speaking so that you might better understand Paul... Instead of FALSELY ACCUSING him as the Pharisees and Sadducee had done... (Along with a WHOLE lot of misled "Christians") Accusing the Brethren is what HaSatan does... (Revelation 12:10) Paul was one of the Brethren... (2 Peter 3:15)

[@amsterdamG2G]

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[@N3773B]

Read James and James uses story of Abraham too and said it's not by faith only but by works too, faith without works are dead I agree with you.... as for the other comment here Peter said Paul's teachings will be misunderstood, why? Because Paul deceived Peter and James, he agreed with them one thing but went off and preached another, Jesus said that the very elect will be deceived, isn't Peter part of the elect?.... Yes Paul healed and performed miracles, Jesus said many will come and say Lord Lord did we not cast out demons etc in your name and Jesus will say get away from me... the Asians rejected Paul, in Revelations Jesus commend them for recognizing false apostles and staying true to God and keeping commandments.

[@ronkebarber6238]

The beginning of sin, the mystery of iniquity began in Eden, Genesis 4:8-15-24. Man didn't directly commit sin, but was led by a third party- the devil in the serpent, and was made to sin against God. In God's right, He killed a third party propitiation for their sins- the sinless Lamb. Thus God, to be Righteous and Just, must be the One to provide Himself a sacrificial Lamb, to atone for the sins which the third party- Adam, had committed, to be able to Righteously judge the other third party, the devil, satan, the dragon, to finally get punished. But there has to be opportunity on both sides to prove that God is Righteous and Just in His judgment, by giving man 1000 years to prove he can eventually hold his own and not succumb to peer or outside pressure, in order to be worthy of being redeemed, ransomed, regenerated, restored and reconciled, back to God- through Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 5. Then, man- Cain deliberately killed his brother, Abel, but this sin couldn't readily be judged simply because there was no preceding law about being one's brother's keeper that was to have been broken. (Thus, the whole system was destroyed by the flood, and the laws started with that Genesis 9:5-6, until finally judged and finished on the cross John 19:30) And in verse 15, a precedent was laid down for the time it would take to judge sin, 70x7 or 490 years. That generation was wiped out by the flood, but the precept remained: sin shall be avenged seventy and seven fold. (Matthew 18:21-23). This was the standard by which Israel also judged, as they also had to spend 70 sabbath years ( or 70x7= 490 years), in exile, outside of the promised land. When it was the 69th week year Daniel prayed to God, and fasted to remind Him of the imminent due date of the return of God's people to their promised land; but the sin of the Amorite was not yet full, Genesis 15:16, also, Israel was still in rebellion towards God, and the land cannot sustain rebellion- it was Holy! So, the Messiah had to come and make a way for grace and justification, and righteousness of God to be imputed, so Israel can get back their monarchy, through the house of David, and back to the kingdom of God, by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, as the Son of God, and the Son of man -the promised Son of David, the king of Israel to order His Kingdom Isaiah 9:6; who would ascend His throne as God had promised him. Romans 1:3; Acts 2:30, and come to bring them back to God, Jeremiah 16:16a; Luke 19:10; Matthew 10:5. Instead, they rejected and killed Him. Thus, from then onwards, the way to God was opened to whosoever would come to Him by grace through the shedding of His blood, by grace through faith in His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection. They were given the adoption of sons and daughters into the kingdom, which hitherto, they were not permitted Ephesians 2:13; John 1:11-14, becoming heirs and joint heirs of God and the Abrahamic covenanted promises an blessing (Genesis 25:6- the representatives of his other children by Hagar and Keturah, the Kings of the East, could now access and partake of the blessing, and they showed their allegiance and faith, by worshipping Jesus Christ, as a Child!) Jesus Christ gave His life for all who would simply believe in Him as Lord and Savior, in order to keep them from the wrath of God that will be unleashed upon the Amorite, until the end. Isaiah 63:18; Daniel 8:13; Zechariah 12:3; Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2. And eventually, they will be rescued at the second coming of Christ Luke 21:13; Zechariah 14. He finished the work of salvation of the soul of man John 19:30 and this continues the "acceptable year of the Lord" which began as He took the sealed book of Daniel, 12:4, from God, as the Lamb of God, who alone is Worthy, and opened the seals Revelation 5, and fulfilled the first of the three part of Isaiah 61:2, in Luke 4:16-21, and He SHUT it again. This will run through this dispensation of preaching of the gospel of grace, (which ended the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom, which ended with the stoning of Stephen) by faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and He will return to gather His saints from the world, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15; and present them faultless before the presence of God the Father, with exceeding joy, Jude 24; with victory over sin, devil, death, hell and eternal damnation in the lake of fire and brimstone Isaiah 66:24. The second dispensation is nearly upon us, at this time Isaiah 63:4, which will usher in the tribulation period when the 70th and last year will be ushered in to finish all transgressions! Daniel 9:24. ( As the Messiah has become the sacrifice for sin, and was dead, buried and rose again from the dead! His shed blood sprinkled on the heavenly mercy seat for propitiation for sins for all who would go to God by and through Him, simply by faith! Ephesians 2:8). Then, the Lord will return the second time, complete with His body, as a new Creature resting upon the Mount of Olives Zechariah 14, to make a way of escape for the remnants of Israel Matthew 24:31. Then the battle of armageddon will ensue, and it will end up in total obliteration of this earth. Isaiah 24; Joel chapters 2 and 3, Jeremiah chapters 1-11...; 1 Peter 3 etc. This is the fullness and end, and judgment of the sin of the Amorite! Matthew 18:21-22; Psalm 75:8; 73:3-17. Then the new heaven and earth will be created after the conclusion of the millennium- to mark the expiration date of sin and death, like it was back in Eden. Now man will live out the 1000 year curse of death Isaiah 65, (Genesis 5). Then history will repeat itself when everything reaches full circle- the serpent will be released once again, Revelation 20:1-6, to tempt man as he did with Adam and Eve, those who follow him will get totally judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, together with hell, death, the antichrist, false prophets and all whose portion is with them Isaiah 66:24. Revelation chapters 19-22. God has perfected the end from the beginning. But as it is written-"My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge " Hosea 4:6, so, "With all thine getting, get understanding " Proverbs 4:7; Luke 24:45. Be filled with and led by the Holy Spirit, and abide in the fold, John 10, until He returns as promised, to take up His purchased possession! John 14:26; Ephesians chapters 1-2! Then He will set up His kingdom! Isaiah 9:6! Be encouraged!

[@apostlejameshaven1617]

You are in error the earth does not spin nor go around the Sun all celestial bodies revolve around the Earth the Earth does not move The earth sits still Zechariah 1:11 the Earth does not spin you are in error 1 Chronicles 16:30 psalm 93:1 psalm 96:10 psalm 104:5 Isaiah 45:18 Earth is not spinning Genesis 1:1 Job 26:7 Psalm 104:5-6 Joshua 10:13 Isaiah 38:8 God brings the shadow of the sun on sun dial Backward 10 degrees And God stops the sun in Joshua the Earth is not move forever and stop moon you need to correct your error the earth does not spin the scriptures prove it repent

[@helenerickson2195]

Ironically, facts check proves the opposite is true. Are you from different planet?

[@johnworby5130]

Oh no, Not another false prophet, at least you are easy to detect!

[@bawbjusbawb6471]

Just sharing... Don't worry... This information I'm giving to you has long since been declared unclassified and can be found easily by anyone who is interested in the public domain (It's also about 30 years old by now)... In 1993 I began working with an advanced long range weapons system for the Army... By 1996 I was in charge of this weapons system... This weapons system could utterly destroy a 1,000 meter by 1,000 meter square with 12 rockets or 2 missiles... Each rocket contained 988 softball sized bomblets made out of tungsten and titanium steel... These bomblets could penetrate SIX feet of packed earth or ONE foot of concrete... As you could imagine, one would want this weapons system to be "somewhat accurate"... As a chief of this weapons system, I had to ensure that EVERYTHING entered into the fire control system was correct in order to establish "safety parameters"... Some of these factors included the directions that were calibrated in "mils" not "degrees"... Additionally, 13 digit coordinates had to be input (target accuracy within 1 meter)... "Unclassified range data" on this weapons system is calibrated to be within 100 miles of launch origin... Just some of the many parameters that were required to be input to fire this weapons system were the ROTATION of the EARTH and the CURVATURE of the EARTH along with other parameters such as Meteorological Data... You can verify this information on page 7-21 of TC 3-09.81 - Field Artillery Manual Cannon Gunnery (Google it) I did not have the luxury of believing this "flat earth" and "the earth does not move" nonsense... There were potentially 100's of people's lives on the line when this weapons system was fired in combat... And if you were found negligent in this duty, know this... You would be spending a very long time in Fort Leavenworth making big rocks into little ones... And you would be living with the thought for the rest of your life that it was YOUR fault that a lot of American children would be going to their Daddy's funeral and be given only a flag to remember them by. I hope and pray that NONE OF YOU who believe in this flat earth tom foolery EVER get put in a position where YOU would be tasked to input this information and check the "Safety T"... I can just see it now... "Curvature of the earth? What's this nonsense?" Rotation of the earth? The earth doesn't move, you false prophets!" The next thing you know, there's an international incident or a news story about how friendly troops on a base somewhere were "accidentally" attacked... I can just see the headlines now... "Could Flat Earther be to blame for 100's of fatalities in Holeinthewallistan Base?"... "Film at eleven".... If you have a REAL LIFE/REAL WORLD PRACTICAL APPLICATION testimony of your "flat earth/the earth doesn't move" as proof, I'd LOVE to hear it... Or maybe not...

[@nonrev64]

Don't add to it or take away from it.

[@DougBartlett-gb7ws]

HEBREWS Chapter 8: 8--13 Ben there all this time