4 hour private pilot student here. Just started. Best aviation channel on youtube. hands down.
@TheFinerPoints4 жыл бұрын
Glad you found us!
@lg41366 жыл бұрын
You're truly an extraordinary all around instructor/mentor. The way you talk to the audience is seamless with the video's audio/timeline. Nice work dude. I learn so much from your videos (and podcasts) and I feel like anyone (aviator or not) could learn about flying or just teaching in general from your videos. Keep it up, we all notice your effort and appreciate your passion for aviation and education!!!
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Luke. It's nice to you're out there ... and watching / listening. :) really appreciate the feedback.
@badgerfishinski6857 Жыл бұрын
Jason - That;s awesome that youve been instructing for 20+ years. Nothing replaces experience.....and I am happy to hear that you are ALWAYS learning...even after 20 years of teaching. You speak the truth. I got my CFII in 23 years ago, and I'm always learning too. I guess that's one reason flight instructing is a great profession. Keep it up............. I fly in AZ and WI. Tailwinds bro
@hogey744 жыл бұрын
In a 172 I was taught that the first action is to just trim full nose up and almost let go of the yoke - it will climb then settle into that 65ish best glide while you are working everything else out.
@REBooner306 жыл бұрын
Sure wish I lived closer for recurrent training. Love the instruction style.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rod
@dockedoar5 жыл бұрын
BTW, you have NO IDEA how much I wish I could study under you! I am a 60 year old new pilot and doing this just for the love and fun of it! YOU are my kind of guy! PLEASE keep up the good work! You are THE most conscientious and methodical CFI ever! Thanks!
@TheFinerPoints5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Wilco 👍🙌
@stevecastro226 жыл бұрын
Very informative Jason. As a private pilot it is very comforting to know that we have the CAP out there looking for us should we ever need them. Thanks for all you do in sharing with us. I know that putting these video's together is a lot of work on your part and it does not go unnoticed.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve
@thizswagblapcity6 жыл бұрын
These keep getting better! Doing my CFI training now, and you’ve been a great quasi mentor through all the TFP content lol. Question: what are your thoughts on using customized ForeFlight checklists?
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think customized checklists are great, as long as you fully vet them against the POH and even run them by a few other pilots / CFIs to shake out any possible omissions etc. ForeFlight is a perfect way to do that, my only advice would be to use a couple of devices. I like to dedicate one iPad to charting / nav log etc and then use another (a mini or a phone) for approach plates / checklists. That second one should be small so you can hold it up and keep your eyes outside.
@tracemitchell73586 жыл бұрын
So it’s worth mentioning that glide performance changes based on if the prop is idling vs. stopped. I just watched some pilots test the theory that a idling propeller causes more drag then a stopped prop, and it turns out the stopped prop causes more drag, in a 1000’ descent at best glide they got 13 seconds more travel with the engine idling over being dead in a kit fox. meaning in training it’s important to recognize that you’ll have a change in distance to your landing target over what you trained for which, could be crucial knowledge if you were over water, in the kit fox that 13 seconds is the difference of around a quarter mile so if you were crossing a body of water at 5000’ and think you can glide about 8 miles based on idling engine out simulations, and your water body is 16 miles across you could end up over 6000 feet from the beach you wanted to land on, very wet and cold waiting for the coast guard.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
I saw that video too, it was fun. The Advanced Pilots Flight Manual has a chapter on it and I suppose you're right, it's worth mentioning. The bottom line is that an "idling" prop will deliver some thrust and provide a little extra "umph" but if the engine is really dead a windmilling prop is worse than a stopped prop. Mark Patey summed it up pretty well at the end there ...
@Alex-us2vw5 жыл бұрын
I had an instructor who calculated the best glide rate from the Cessna 172S POH, he used the G1000 GPS for distance to get an accurate glide ratio for the various settings for simulating failures. His used flaps 10 and a low power setting to simulate the flaps up best glide. Forgot the exact power setting since he was the only instructor I’ve flow with who cared enough to accurately simulate the glide. Was probably around 1000-1200 rpm since it was low enough that engine clearing was still required.
@deadlytoaster112 жыл бұрын
I love your instruction style and will definitely translate it when I train my students as well. One thing I will mention about the partial engine failure is to also take the time to look in the NRST page and and start flying direct to the nearest airport, at least start to fly in the direction. Maybe it wont fully quit and can give you enough power to get you there safely. At the same time simultaneously running checklists and scanning for fields like monkeys incase it does give out.
@MrAlwaysBlue5 жыл бұрын
Cracking videos. I struggled with forced landings in training. Often spending too long trying to find a perfect field.I often do a power off from the overhead at my home airstrip when convenient.
@ericmuetterties19846 жыл бұрын
Always good to be ready for this. I just did a flight to Tahoe and you really think about it up there. However we always need to be ready, especially on departure. Thanks Jason.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Agreed Eric. It's humbling to look down on some of those small clearings and contemplate gliding in. Glad you enjoyed the video.
@TheOchoCinco5 жыл бұрын
PLWP A - AIRSPEED : 60KTS W - ING FLAPS : 20 S - SELECT FIELD (THEN RETRACT FLAPS UPON REACHING SAFE ALT. AND SPEED) R&E - RADIO AND ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT : OFF W - WING FLAPS : 30 A - AIRSPEED - 55KTS M - MASTER SWITCH : OFF D - DOORS : UNLATCH T - TAIL : LOW LANDING I - IGNITION : OFF B - BRAKES : HEAVY ELWP A - AIRSPEED : 65KTS (FLAPS UP) ; 60KTS (FLAPS DOWN) M - MIXTURE : IDLE CUT-OFF F - FUEL SHUTOFF VALVE : OFF I - IGNITION : OFF W - WING FLAPS : 30 M - MASTER SWITCH : OFF D - DOORS : UNLATCH T - TAIL : LOW LANDING B - BRAKES : HEAVY
@moonshade992 жыл бұрын
A-airspeed B-best field C-check system D-declare emergency E-exit/secure
@santiagoecarbajal4 жыл бұрын
Perfect! I’m pretty much in that part of my training as well so this is gold! Like everything in this channel
@waltmooredanwilson8754 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I wish you the best. Take care and God Bless.
@badgerfishinski6857 Жыл бұрын
For all you new pilots in training. Remember one thing throughout your flying life. There is NOTHING that replaces "experiences". Learning is defined as 'a change in behavior based on experience'. It's like learning to play a musical instrument. You can think about it all you want, but until you pick it up and play it, you won't become good. If you ever decide to become a flight instructor, I can tell you first hand that your learning curve will sky rocket. You will fly a lot and learn something new each time. You will fine tune your skills and ADM. You also need to be able to provide knowledge transfer (teach), and if you really want to learn something, then teach it. Tailwinds everyone!
@adamsmith14476 жыл бұрын
I am kind of a light relaxed big picture pilot. Your videos are a nice refresher on the details. Thank you.
@anonymxs._75705 жыл бұрын
This so much fun to watch from a glider pilots perspective. 😂 (You are an amazing flight instructor)
@nightwaves32035 жыл бұрын
Best teach him slips to the extreme for braking. Blanking out lift on the trailing wing is something needed to be taught. Some planes it's ill advisable to do a heavy slip with flaps. Most lift is at the wing root and slipping blanks air flow their first.
@alejandrogodoy46965 жыл бұрын
PauL, THANK YOU!!! I KEEP WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS. THANK YOU!
@derkiwi1516 жыл бұрын
When I was learning to fly, even on non "engine failure" lessons the instructor would often have me do a glide approach, and I still do them now if the traffic allows it. I also lost track of the number of times when we were out (doing something different) that they'd just casually reach over and pull the mixture. It's uncomfortable but I always appreciated experiencing it suddenly and in a place where I wasn't perhaps familiar with the "best" place to land.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
It's really great training to practice "power off" approaches. While I don't advocate actually pulling the mixture (for various reasons) it is great training to have experienced that. You can get very very close by pulling the throttle out and I agree, the best lessons come when you aren't expecting them.
@derkiwi1516 жыл бұрын
Argh - actually my mistake (and my apologies to my instructor) - he would pull the throttle not the mixture.
@LowWingFlyer2 жыл бұрын
@@derkiwi151 I am glad to see you correct that statement. I was thinking to myself, “No, don’t kill a perfectly good running engine just for practice.” 😂
@badgerfishinski6857 Жыл бұрын
Altitude is out friend indeed. Become proficient on forward slips to land, and then you can be high and still get down safely with little or no power.
@dockedoar5 жыл бұрын
I have a question Jason. Your 3 tools 1. Flaps 2. Approach Geometry 3. Forward slip. One of my favorite tools to practice is forward slip. In your sequence forward slip is #3. At that point you , if it is all done in sequence, by the time you get to forward slip, you already have full flaps in, right? Am incorrect in the fact it is not recommended to do forward slips in a Cessna with more than 10 degrees of flaps? So how to accommodate this fact to accomplish tool #3? Or am I missing something? Just trying to get straight in my newbie student head!
@TheFinerPoints5 жыл бұрын
Certain year models of Cessna have a placard that says “avoid slips with flaps extended“. It is not a prohibition and has been the subject of much debate over the years. It is weak language and begs a lot more questions. I’ve found it very hard to reproduce the apparent pitch oscillations that can apparently occur in those makes and models. However not all Cessnas have that placard. Some don’t mention it at all. In emergency training it’s important to use all of the tools you have available. So, let me say this, if you’re Cessna has that black card and then please avoid slips with labs extended however if you need to do them for the purposes of emergency training to make sure that you’re safe in the airplane go ahead and do that.
@TrentKama6 жыл бұрын
Interesting format for a forced landing, I'll have to try it some time. Where I fly we teach the '360' method. Arriving at a high key altitude(rate of descent^2+approximate field elevation+200ft buffer) overhead the landing point in the direction of landing, then executing a rate-one left hand turn to a low key point at the left wingtip when banked, arriving approximately 500ft below the start altitude. After reaching the low key; flaps, tightening or widening the turn, and slips are considered to correct the geometry and get down to the field.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
TrentKama interesting, sounds so specific! Is that 2x field elevation + 200ft buffer? Is wind accomplished bred for visually?
@iesikhaty6 жыл бұрын
TFP on Patreon!? Wishing you all the success! I have benefitted immensely from your podcasts, and guest appearances on KZbin. You are a top shelf instructor, and I can't wait to get behind your Patreon channel. Cheers
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Isaac Esikhaty thank you 🙏🏻 I really appreciate those kind words. The best is yet to come!
@captainron79043 жыл бұрын
I do most of my flying off the big island of Hawaii here not many options ditch it in the water or lava rock would open the plane like a can opener
@ForFunFlyer5 жыл бұрын
Again an awesome video! Very helpful!
@gazzpazzer4 жыл бұрын
I wish I lived in an area that possessed safe landing areas. But, no, mountains, forest, basically you're f--ked if you lose an engine. Still trying to reconcile that level of risk.
@TGAV84 жыл бұрын
Great video training
@Emipaso6 жыл бұрын
Oh, that's the stuff! Great tips, and way of thinking, as always.
@dockedoar5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! As usual perfect response and VERY helpful!
@mspurrell53136 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video Jason! I was always taught to pitch for best glide in the event of a power loss. However, recently I have heard many CFIs recommending holding altitude and letting the speed bleed off. In my mind pitching for best glide will give me more altitude and thus more time to find my best field/problem solve, as opposed to holding my altitude. Am I completely wrong or is there some logic to my thinking? I’ve been watching/listening to TFP throughout my flying career and can’t tell you how much you’ve taught me. I am definitely a safer pilot because of you and your content. Thank you. 👍
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
HaveBlue 112 Thank you. 🙏🏻 ForeFlight deserves some of the credit too. Their support over the years has been huge. They might like to hear that 😉 Regarding the question - you’ll definitely go further if you hold pitch, don’t give up a foot of altitude, and let your forward speed dissipate. Someone smarter than me did the math and proved it to me years ago
@LeantoPeak4 жыл бұрын
Pure gold. Great videos.
@mianatwood2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Pacific State Aviation at KCCR? what you think about that flight school?
@AV8R_Surge4 жыл бұрын
Question: were learn to guage too-low/high by how our aim-point moves down/up on the windshield. This helps on final. But what tips do you have to guage it from downwind or base - when the aim spot is in the side window? With a working motor.. no big deal because you can compensate with power on final. But on power-off it needs to be gauged earlier in order to determine the pattern.. square or shortcut. Any tips? I've had issues with this and always felt like a fail when I needed to power drag the airplane in on a power-off attempt.
@hpijeep4 жыл бұрын
I have watched this video a couple times over the past year. I know it’s part of training but are you ever worried about shock cooling your engine?
@brianmoeller35396 жыл бұрын
Talk about not many options that first try. Coyote Hills? Nothing but urban area and small slivers of marshy reserves. Great tips as usual. I plan on printing out an emergency engine failure list like that. We have the larger book in the side pockets, but digging it out and flipping through the pages is not ideal under pressure.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
yeah, that was tight! but, hey, you never know when it's going to to happen and really really believe with practice you can land it in a very small space
@brianmoeller35396 жыл бұрын
The Finer Points - Absolutely. I want that challenge. Train for the worst so everything else seems easy
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Brian Moeller exactly!
@SVSky6 жыл бұрын
Definitely, one of our club CFIs ended up in the marsh off the departure end of KPAO, plane, pilot 100% intact: his feedback? "Practice your power-off soft-field landings!" Google earth says his available landing distance was 500ft, 7ECA lands in 447. Whew!
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Wow. If you do this long enough you'll see that. I've seen several in my years ... makes me think about developing solid IFR takeoff minimums.
@spikedog94 жыл бұрын
nice final landing.
@stephenyoungblood36836 жыл бұрын
Jason! I got myME-Comm-Inst today!!!
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Congrats! That's awesome news :) Great work.
@stephenyoungblood36835 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I hope i can come out for your MTN training someday. I you and friends are safe from the fires.
@davejones5426 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff. By the way you do doors open as part ot (C) check systems and not on short final ?
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, I would do doors open once you commit to the landing .. in the E. Secure the motor, turn off the fuel, open the doors, and if you have manual flaps turn the electric off, if you have electric flaps wait until you've used them and then turn off the electrical. I'd want to be thinking about as little as possible on short final and the slip stream will keep the doors closed until you land anyhow.
@crissd82833 жыл бұрын
Just don't stall the plane and you will probably survive an engine out. We have a tendency to pull back and stall 100ft above the ground.
@NachoSotoBustos6 жыл бұрын
Loved this video!
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Nacho Soto thanks!!
@justmejonboy5 жыл бұрын
Some great point made.
@Alex-us2vw5 жыл бұрын
Why discontinue the forced approaches so high? I’ve always done them down to the last 20-100feet before touchdown. On the actual flight test the approach discontinues much much higher so passing is a breeze, vs actually needing to manage altitude or bleed altitude to hit the touchdown zone accurately.
@lancomedic5 жыл бұрын
I realize this is an old video but were are doing engine out practice right now. Did I miss an explanation of what you mean by "Geometry"? Also when you say "high tight base" do you mean you are higher than your normal approach altitude and you dive in for the final?
@sunnyrawal6564 жыл бұрын
Fred Flintstone By geometry he means the shape of the pattern or landing to a specific length of landing space, and yes by High Tight Base means too high for that shortened gap of a distance between him and the runway. That’s when the forward slip maneuver should be used.
@machinesandthings71215 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if step 1 should be amended taking into account the high number of stall spin accidents in GA. Pitch down immediately, then look at speed, trim, etc?
@LowWingFlyer2 жыл бұрын
You just “lost” your engine and presumably were already above best glide Vg and well above Vs1 so a stall should not occur if you are coordinated. The nose is going to drop anyways so immediately pitch and trim for Vg to save altitude and give you the most time possible to find a landing spot, run checklist, declare emergency if unable to revive the engine and land.
@alfaento3 жыл бұрын
Awesome !!
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC4 жыл бұрын
Partial failures are 3-4 times more than total fails. Those 4-6 air cooled cylinders can fail 40 times more often than car liquid cooled engine cylinders do. Baby those cylinders, Dont overheat or undercool them.
@lucmatter96015 жыл бұрын
Don’t believe everything they say on the internet Jason. Have you ever tried shutting down the engine for real in flight while stopping the prop completely? Do so (in a safe environment close to an airport and don’t forget to prepare the plane for a quick restart) and be surprised how much better the plane behaves than while idling with or without power. I have. You get a fair glider for the price of a C172.
@TheFinerPoints5 жыл бұрын
I have had it done to me Luc and I must admit the learning experience was valuable. However, working for the Air Safety Institute the way I do, I can't ignore the numbers ... statistically, it's way too dangerous to try and I can't recommend it. Too many times it turns into a real engine out / forced landing ... often with bad results. Even if you do survive it, try explaining that one to the insurance company ... "yes, I turned the motor off, but I was sure it would restart. At least, I thought it would restart ... " haha, your point is valid though, there is no learning like the real thing
@UnderWhelmed556 жыл бұрын
Great tips!
@txav8tion6 жыл бұрын
good info!
@SirRawtcha6 жыл бұрын
I hope he never has to use it, but he looked in control.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
He did great. It was nice to be so specific on this mission, it's all we worked on for like 2 hours.
@Invalourrr-vb3xo4 жыл бұрын
And what if there is no field around? ._.
@GS-wn2dw Жыл бұрын
What is an ideal area to practice SPOT LANDING?
@brendendas6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@Maxthepil0t6 жыл бұрын
Would you please make a video about "Engine out at night"?
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll put it in line. I think it might be better handled in a podcast, are you subscribed? I will discuss it here or there because I do agree that there is a notable lack of information on this topic.
@Maxthepil0t6 жыл бұрын
The Finer Points That would be awesome. I am Subscribed to your youtube channel, but I am not sure if I am subscribed to your podcasts that way. If not send me a link and I will gladly do it. I agree with you that there is a lack of info on this topic. Every time I ask people what if the engine quits during the night and their response is that you put it where it is dark. I mean in the dark could be anything, so why not learn/do something in order to be safe.
@psyrixx6 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@pesto126016 жыл бұрын
shouldn't his hand be on the throttle throughout that runway landing at the end?
@coopertoy17004 жыл бұрын
pesto12601 I wouldn’t think because he is in an engine off simulated state, so there would be no use.
@432b86ed6 жыл бұрын
Imo, important information and music don't tango well.
@TheFinerPoints6 жыл бұрын
Roger, Zakk - thanks for your opinion, I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me. It's a tricky balance, I want to make it fun and not just the same old, boring educational stuff we're so used to ... BUT at the same time I don't want the music to be distracting! I spend a lot of time mixing to make sure the words are clear on many different types of speakers. I mix to studio speakers, laptop speakers, and headphones. Was there any time you thought you couldn't hear the important information? I must admit, however, (maybe because I a musician) that I believe everything in life is better with a little bit of music.