Paul's Jihad-Crusade of the Dune Universe Explained

[@frankcairney5523]

Nice video. I have no problem with the expanded lore as long as it's identified as such, which you did. In summary, approved! Nice work!

[@karenchristinewise7833]

Paul was also trained as a Mentat. He was trained in the Bene Gessirit ways by his mother. He was trained in the Art of War by Gurney and Duncan. His father taught him to rule. So, he was designed to be the perfect ruler by his family, society and the family entourage.

[@immMoon]

The fremen taught him perseverance and desert.

[@samb123078]

He was also genetically engineered to see the future. It’s literally in his bones.

[@jimhoover7345]

@@samb123078some members of the spacing guild included the navigators had prescience. There were a select few of the Bene Gesserit that had prescience as well. Paul, Alia, Leto II, and Ghanima had control of their prescience

[@samb123078]

@@jimhoover7345 my point was that Paul was literally bred to lead crusade. I know Herbert was trying to warn the readers about messiahs but it rings hollow when someone is literally made to do it over several generations.

[@jimhoover7345]

@@samb123078 i understand what you’re saying but, how was Paul literally bred to lead a crusade? The Bene Gesserit never planned for Paul to be the kwisatz haderach. Actually Count Fenring was suppose to be the kwisatz haderach. Paul uses the religious superstitions of the Fremen to get revenge for his father.

[@Gunnar001]

Paul controlling the Spacing Guild, and therefore all interstellar travel, is probably the main reason why his Jihad was so successful. He didn’t HAVE to fight all those who opposed him. He could simply cut off and isolate worlds that resisted and let them die off from lack of resources and spice. Billions would die of starvation. Many seem to forget that spice is highly addictive and withdrawals are painfully fatal. The elite controlling these worlds would die from spice withdrawals and everyone else would fall in line or die as well. Many worlds could easily be subjugated this way without any kind of fighting.

[@immMoon]

The people were not consuming spice bruh...

[@jojok9241]

@@immMoon The spice must flow brother

[@jimhoover7345]

⁠@@immMoonthe people were consuming spice bruh.

[@neilhannan7525]

61 billion lives gone all because Bene Gesserit wanted to control an angry teenage 😂

[@AlexisLopez-pb8ms]

I know right. It’s funny how people think Paul is a hero. It was a great movie but it’s supposed to be a cautionary tale of what can happen with fanaticism.

[@Prilliyo]

I think that even if their plan came to pass the Benegesserit still wouldn't have been able to control the Quiz the one

[@arcaneisboring7675]

Wrong. What an idioticnimrod.

[@martinpetkov7859]

61 bilion lives gone because a Bene Gesserit fell in love actually

[@nickyman5557]

@@AlexisLopez-pb8msit was bro did we watch the same movie?

[@JeroenK94]

Leto was never caught off guard by the Emperor's plot to eliminate him, nor by the Harkonnens' desire for revenge. He knew of their intentions all along, yet he could not refuse the Emperor’s "gift" of Arrakis, understanding the intricate political game he was entering. From the start, Leto was preparing to leverage the Fremen and harness the power of the desert, but the Harkonnen strike came sooner than anticipated. His interest in the Fremen was not benevolent-he intended to use them as a means to assert dominance over the Landsraad. Dune is not a story of surprises, but one of complex machinations, where every scheme hides deeper layers of intrigue.

[@robertalaverdov8147]

Just my thoughts; I think that without spice the rest of the galaxy couldn't functionally travel the stars. And so they were all isolated from one another with the Freemen taking worlds one by one and replenishing their numbers from new converts. With those refusing to convert being "removed". Thus leading to the 61 billion number. It seems unrealistic but keep in mind in our own history we have several examples of a small warrior tribe taking out large and populous empires. The Visigoths numbered perhaps 500k in total, yet they defeated western Rome that had 14-18 million people. The Arabs took a big chunk out of eastern Rome (12-16 million) and completely conquered Sassanian Persia(8-10 million) with perhaps 2-4 million total population. And lastly we have the Mongols who were thought to number 800k defeating the Song Dynasty and its 120 million people with the Chinese population dropping to 60 million after they had rolled through.

[@MrChupacabra555]

I hate to say it, but a Real Life Incident (Yes, THAT one) kind of changed my whole opinion of the Fremen from when I was young (first read the Dune series WAY back in High School, longer than I want to remember ago 😅) Whereas then I was all "Yeah! Get them Evil Harkonnens, Paul [and the Fremen]!!" Now I see them as they were probably meant to be seen: Religious Jihadists that were personally responsible for the deaths of Millions upon Millions who did not convert to their new 'religion', and Billions more through collapsing the interstellar trade network that many planets depended on for food and other resources.

[@CMAzeriah]

800k? There was barely that many Mongolians back in 1945. They couldnt have had more than 120-150 thousand spread out.

[@shadowsovereign4948]

I love how, in the books, Paul gives Stilgar some reading from the rulers of our time, like the N*zis. And Stilgar basically goes, "Wow those are rookie numbers."

[@Arakko-i7h]

0:25 What is The War of the Sisterhoods? In the Dune Universe, happens during Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune! There is a problem, with regards to the Dune Series. It is seperated into two parts, Classic Dune and Expanded Dune. *Some spoilers ahead* Classic Dune written by Frank Herbert himself consists of six novels, I honestly prefer Classic Dune to its more nuanced and philosophical take on the issues, story, technology and characters which has ensured Dune’s continuous survival within the Science Fiction Genre. Everyline, every piece of dialogue and every scene is filled with philosophical arguments and questionings, even the detailing of events have some hidden meaning behind them. To read Classic Dune, it follows a simplistic chronological order. Book 1: Dune Book 2: Dune Messiah Book 3: Children of Dune Book 4: God-Emperor of Dune *Book 5: Heretics of Dune* *Book 6: Chapterhouse: Dune* However, Expanded Dune is a bit more complex in a sense. Expanded Dune, written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson, has divided the Dune fanbase for certain reasons. First, the writing style is clearly a step back from the writting of Frank Herbert which honestly takes away some of the enlightenment that Frank Herbert seems to impart on the reader. Secondly, inconsistencies are rampant in Expanded Dune, most notably amongst Sequels to Dune and in Legends of Dune. In Sequels to Dune, some themes and lore set by Frank Herbert has been thrown out the window, most notably Daniel and Marty whom mostly remained anonymous in Chapterhouse Dune and hinted to be evolved Face Dancers are instead the Thinking Machines that Humanity defeated in the Butlerian Jihad. Some decisions too seemed to contradict previous notions. For example, the Ghola of Leto II Atredies, chooses to fuse himself with the sandworms (not Sandtrout this time). However, in God Emperor of Dune, Frank Herbert states that Leto II’s metamorphosis was physically painful to the God Emperor and is used to reflect Leto’s lost of Humanity as a sacrifice for the greater good of Man to follow the Golden Path. In Legends of Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is potrayed as an absolute war between man and Nazi Totalitarian Robots that sought to eradicate humanity or at least enslave it. However, in Classic Dune, Frank Herbert wanted the Jihad to be a caveat to Humanity’s laziness and ingenuity as some would call it. He believed that Humanity is capable of indeterminate evolution and achieving infinite possibilities whilst machines made humanity think like machines, to only see things as codes and numbers, patterns and pre-determined conclusions etc. I do not recommend Expanded Dune if you want to understand Frank Herbert’s original intentions and philosophy but it does provide some insight or perspective and context for the events in Dune and ends Classic Dune in a manner that does not really seem to be inline with Herbert’s original plan for Dune 7. So here’s the list. Prequels: 1. Prelude to Dune Dune: House Atredies; Dune: House Harkonnen; Dune: House Corrino. 2. Legends of Dune Dune: The Butlerian Jihad; Dune: The Machine Crusade; Dune: The Battle of Corrin. 3. Schools of Dune (some consider this to be one of their better works ) Sisterhood of Dune; Mentats of Dune; Navigators of Dune. 4. The Caladan Trilogy (Focusing namely on Leto I and the Lady Jessica) (The newer titles with Duke being released in 2019) The Duke of Caladan; The Lady of Caladan; The Heir of Caladan (Unreleased till 2022). Sequels to Dune: Hunters of Dune; Sandworms of Dune. Heroes of Dune (they detail the events of Paul’s Jihad and Childhood as well as Jessica’s investigations after Paul’s disappearance at the end of Dune Messiah before becoming The Preacher): Paul of Dune; The Winds of Dune. That’s all, hope it helps! If you want to know more of the Dune Universe, The Dune Encyclopedia is a nice little Encyclopaedia about the universe of Dune with regards to character biographies, information of the Spice melange ( providing a chemical formula as well ) as well as some more information on the Great Houses and Imperium at large. The video game Dune 2 ( which I enjoy yet am very bad at ) uses some information from the Encyclopedia. Frank Herbert himself provided a foreword though with Expanded Dune it sets a alternative to the Dune Universe than the “Canon” which Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson created. It may be difficult to find a hardcopy of the Encyclopedia due to its rarity ( and that the Herbert Household prevents its reprinting ) there are online copies.

[@totalCoolerUsername]

Happens during book 5&6

[@t.k.1319]

Bene Gesserit vs Hinored Matres

[@SplendidFactor]

Space Nuns vs Space Dominatrices

[@Mk98894]

Nobody is reading all that nerd.

[@markanthony1004]

I always love the book explanations as a long time fan of the novels and a huge fan of the newest movies I'm in heaven right now lol. I do wish we could've seen Edrick and had Dr. Kynes a bit more but all good...spelling. I also loved Chani's portrayal, but I wish they'd explained why Paul need to marry Irulan and show Chani understanding the reason. I know she seem meek in the novels but she's still a Freman and knows how to fight but all in all love the movies

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

Excellent. I always wanted more jihad info. Thank you

[@Arakko-i7h]

A) What is The Butlerian Jihad? B) What is The War of the Sisterhoods? There was the Butlerian Jihad which happened 10,000 years before the events of Dune and the War of the Sisterhoods that would take place 5000 years after it. A) In the Dune Universe, happens during: Dune (mentioned only); Dune Messiah (mentioned only); Children of Dune (seen in a vision); God Emperor of Dune (mentioned only); Heretics of Dune (mentioned only); Chapterhouse: Dune (mentioned only). B) Happens during Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune In the Dune Universe!

[@allosaurus_0079]

hi higly intersting viedeo ! keep up the good work mate, one thing though if im not mistaken sandworms were seeded on multipel other planets ,tho in the majoraty of cases this failed in some rare cases this endevour succeded , theirby creating alternate spice sources too Dune itself (tho it remained the by far largest producer)

[@nutbug445]

It was only successful in one other place - planet chapterhouse after the destruction of Arrakis (Rakis). And the other sources were artificially made but nowhere near as effective.

[@lifesabeach5405]

When is Dune 3 coming out?

[@makkkgezz9744]

Not soon enough I can't wait

[@aleckelly374]

Dune: messiah* and it’s coming out in 2026

[@Yanel5795]

Its not

[@stephenhounsell7257]

@@aleckelly374 Maybe 2028?

[@deforesttappan6478]

Have you done a video on ab humans???

[@henrikg1388]

Too scared to call it just "Jihad" in your title, as it is named in the books?

[@gustavoramirezjr7320]

Fear is the mind killer

[@Emanon...]

The numbers don't really add up. I hate it when sci-fi does that. There was only a few million Fremen, and of course a sizeable group would be children, elders and men+women who weren't fighting. A million men can't possibly fight against hundreds of worlds with billions, possibly trillions, of inhabitants.

[@darienevans6229]

the Mongols used the same tech as everybody else and a army of 100 thousand to kill millions of people. the harsh environment made strong people, that easily conquered the people in a soft environment.

[@robertalaverdov8147]

In my head canon without spice the rest of the galaxy couldn't functionally travel the stars. And so they were all isolated from one another with the Freemen taking worlds one by one and replenishing their numbers from new converts. With those refusing to convert being "removed". Thus leading to the 61 billion number. It seems unrealistic but keep in mind in our own history we have several examples of a small warrior tribe taking out large and populous empires. The Visigoths numbered perhaps 500k in total, yet they defeated western Rome that had 14-18 million people. The Arabs took a big chunk out of eastern Rome (12-16 million) and completely conquered Sassanian Persia(8-10 million) with perhaps 2-4 million total population. And lastly we have the Mongols who were thought to number 800k defeating the Song Dynasty and its 120 million people with the Chinese population dropping to 60 million after they had rolled through.

[@DembosTheEmperor]

Well I guess its meant directly and indirectly inflicted causalities, its also mentioned that some planets were completely wiped out and glassed, plus I guess there werent only fremen but also houses that bent or were already conquered. As the guy in the video says, its up to imaginations, but I dont doubt that with Dune tech it wouldnt be hard to wipe out large amounts of people quickly.

[@potatomasherr]

@@DembosTheEmperor Also In the classic film from the 70s (idk about the books) some of the Atreides army survived with Duncan idaho in the deserts of Dune and joined in the battles when they learned Paul was alive and became leader + access to the Atomic arms of House Atreides, ships from House Harkonnen, the defiant warriors of the fremen with their ability to use words as weapons leads to conquest.

[@maxx8011]

@@robertalaverdov8147 stop copy/paste double posting

[@hudnugraha1070]

The oppressed become the oppressor and more ruthless than their predecessor.

[@shanenolan4503]

No weirding way in the movie 🤷‍♂️

[@jimhoover7345]

The weirding way is just a martial arts style that the Bene Gesserit created

[@shanenolan4503]

@@jimhoover7345 isn't it meant to instill superhuman speed capabilities? Akin to the fight scene in Sherlock Holmes. It would explain why the fremen could best the sardaukar and obliterate any opposition having been trained in the weirding way by Paul to be killer space ninjas

[@jimhoover7345]

@@shanenolan4503 it’s just short quick movements. It’s nothing like the 2000 syfy miniseries makes it out to be

[@oroboros88]

​@@shanenolan4503 it's just "looks" superhuman to onlookers. If you could control every muscle fibre down to the singular fibre in your body, your fighting would probably look pretty interesting. It's hard to show something like that on screen as IRL we are limited to the constraints of known martial arts, I still think they did a good job showing the acrobatic side of it. Theres only so much you can do without straight up overusing CGI

[@Tedger]

Paul's son.. well there is a story..

[@LesterkyArms]

Read the books don't like the movies and find out what the golden path

[@arcaneisboring7675]

You must be gay.

[@Graf69]

Read both the books and watched the movies and the movies are perfect