Paul The Unitarian vs Sarah's Friend About The Trinity At Speakers Corner

[@luis7961]

Woman. You have made an idol for yourself. You have deviated from the words of God and are now building your own God. God tells us over and over in the Bible that he is only God, that their is no one else than HIM. A HIM is not a unity of persons, but rather a single One. This was an easy debunk by Paul the Unitarian. Good Job Paul. God bless

[@marisakennedy777]

If Jesus must be part of a trinity because God shares the glory of his throne with him. then are the saints part of the trinity too? "To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." - Revelation 3: 21 If Jesus saying "I and the Father are one" means that Jesus is part of a trinity, then does that mean all of Jesus' disciples are also part of the trinity or that Christians will become "one" by becoming a decachotomy? "...so that they may be one just as we are one... so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us... I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, ...so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them." (John 17: 11, 21-23, 26) Especially when you contrast it with verse 14 where it says, "they are no part of the world," it is clear that it means unity of purpose, of belief, of values, etc, not unity or oneness in the sense of personhood. That is a stretch, if anything, it is clear they are grasping at straws. First and Last vs Alpha and Omega... Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite Jew, has some wonderful lectures on the subject of God's name, Yehovah, and the meaning of it (as well as why Yahweh is not his name). Turns out it is said in Revelation 1: 4 & 8, God name means literally, "the One who is and who was and who is coming" (can also be said, "who will be" rather than "who is coming"). This direct meaning can be interpreted as, the One who is Eternal, no beginning no end, always has existed. However, this is in contrast to how Jesus is called "the First and the Last" as Rev 1: 17, 18; 2: 8. He is the Firstborn from the dead (Rev 1: 5), which means he cannot fully have the title, "the One who is," since he has been dead. Also, it means the "first" is in reference in being first from the dead, not to his having no beginning. Jesus being "in the beginning" at John 1: 1 is talking about the beginning of creation of the physical world (Genesis 1: 1), not the spiritual world. The Bible is clear that the angels already existed BEFORE the physical world came into existance (Job 38: 4). It is possible "the First" could be in reference to Jesus' description at Proverbs 8: 22, "Yehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago." Jesus was also the first to be resurrected to immortality (Rev 1: 18), and so now "Last" in terms of living to eternity does apply to him.

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

@TheTrinitybusters If you follow the RED letters in The Book of John you will come away with the same Doctrine the apostles preached, 🫱one-lord & ONE-God. Also Clement Greeted by Paul in Philippians 4:3 Indeed, true companion, I ask you also, help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, alongside 🫴Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life. Philippians 4:3 👍Clement, trained by Peter, had Apostolic procession and ran 1st church Rome from 60-90AD till Martyred. Here's Clement: 1 Clement 59:4. "Let all the Gentiles know that ☝️Thou art the God alone, and 🤴🏻Jesus Christ is Thy Son. John 17:3 Jesus said... "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the ☝️only true God, 🤴🏻and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD) The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the ☝️only God and Lord, who 👉alone is God and ruler of all… Wherefore I do also call upon thee,👉 Lord God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob and Israel, who art the 🤴🏻Father of our lord Jesus Christ, ☝️the God who, through the abundance of Thy mercy, hast had a favour towards us, that we should know Thee, Who hast made heaven and earth, who rulest over all, who art the 👉"only and the true God"👈 above whom there is none other God; Grant, by our🤴🏻Lord Jesus Christ, the governing power of the Holy Spirit; give to every reader of this book to know Thee, that ☝️Thou art God alone, to be strengthened in Thee, And to 🆘"avoid every heretical, and godless, and impious doctrine". Rev 3:21 KJV To him that overcomith , will I grant to sit with me on 🤴🏻"My Throne"; even as I also overcame, and ad set down with ☝️"my father" on his throne. (✌️2 SEPARATE THONES!!) Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the 👸"Son Of Man👈 will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Acts 7:5 Stephen looked up to heaven & saw the "Glory of God, and 🤴🏻"Jesus standing" at the right hand of ☝️God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and 🤴🏻"The Son of Man, Standing at the right hand ☝️😮of God.” -G💡D, "did not" come down AND get "tempted", from a creature "he made", with everything he ALREADY OWNS? -God doesn't grow in favor, "with God". -God doesn't "anoint" God. Psalms 45 says Solomon was a God on God's right hand, And Exodus 7:1 calls Moses a god. It's 1700 year divisive dogma that who created Islam in the 7th century, when Christians were worshiping three Gods plus mary. It doesn't make Christianity untrue we just need to roll the narrative back to the church fathers and the apostles because we have no Apostolic succession or biblical framework for a trinity.

[@StandOnScripture]

Paul isnt that good at debating.

[@thetrinitybusters]

At least he is trying. I prefer supporting people who try, rather than people who talk good but don't try.

[@moanykk3296]

Trinity is revealed by Jesus Christ, who is a Jew, who knew God better than any human lived on Earth... God revealed Trinity, when Jesus Christ was Baptised by John the Baptist...!!! Hence Trinity is 100 % True...

[@luis7961]

You are correct. Jesus was a Jew. A Jew under the law. For the Jews there was only one God. And that God is the Father. Even Jesus himself said so.

[@thetrinitybusters]

God revealed His Son at Johns baptism. You trinitarians are confused like the Muslims.

[@Cato1006]

Jesus kneeled to God. God kneels to NOONE!

[@Biblehasaleftsidealso]

​@@thetrinitybusters Trinitarians Mormons and Muslims hijacked the definition of the Bible🙄

[@aspreedacore]

jesus is god but he is not the same god as the father, he was exalted above all creation except the father himself whereas the father always was above creation and owes no one for his divinity

[@aspreedacore]

@Witchfinder48 true but no one exalted the father cause he always was, the son had to be exalted even preexisters can't deny this cause they believe jesus is the literal wisdom of god and had to be acquired and or created by YHWH(depending on the translation) then learn how to create the world(proverbs 8:22-30)

[@aspreedacore]

@Witchfinder48 Is jesus from realms above or realms below?

[@aspreedacore]

@Witchfinder48 do men literally or figuratively exist in realms above before they are born of a woman or only jesus?

[@aspreedacore]

@Witchfinder48 so when jesus said I am from realms above he didnt mean himself as a person but his foreknowledge?