Destiny 2: Destiny's Future Revealed, And It's Bleak

[@smoothgeorgeone8234]

Killed by the Architects.

[@agent00chimp]

That hasn't aged well. lol I always figured that since halo foreshadowed "guardians" using this text, that maybe Bungie's next game would have "architects" that you could play as. And yeah, I know about the Halo 5 343i "guardians" too.

[@EggEnjoyer]

@@agent00chimpWe don’t talk about the fan made halo games

[@MisterButterfingers]

Ooooooooff

[@Lightstation_]

Bungie is at pervading darkness x10 at this point

[@tylerfortier2666]

Light is fading

[@minhnguyen-fs2iv]

@@tylerfortier2666 there is no light in bungie HQ

[@RobbieB2606]

Good reference 😂

[@Mugiwara2k]

Holy shit 😂

[@jayker5246]

“Just wipe it guys” Bungie probably

[@dudeydude77_clips]

The really made Luke Smith say Destiny wasn’t ending just to fire him and end it lmao

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

I thought he left of his own accord

[@dudeydude77_clips]

I read he was laid off/let go but if he and Mark left because other people were laid off, either way he left for the same reason.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Yeah, they should’ve just kept dumping money into them. Would you keep something around? That was just draining money and not providing any positive feedback; not him personally the studio burning through money like crazy.

[@RemedyPlays]

He left

[@NiharsHyper]

@@dudeydude77_clips did you not watch the video lmao

[@b.o.4492]

I really worry most about Pete’s cars and how they are all doing.

[@cartho1103]

Hard times for Pete. Praying for him 🙏

[@zrpggamer]

Idiot take. He didn't use the company money for it. Move on

[@kodycooksey4483]

@@cartho1103 who gives a fuck what he spends his personal money on

[@reverseflashx7641]

@@kodycooksey4483apparently everyone does 🫨🫨🫨 its idiocracy

[@omensoffate]

Who cares it’s his money

[@lyserberg]

Fellow Guardians... it's been an honor.

[@Osiris02]

I knew Lance Reddick was holding this shit together.

[@qpsyche9115]

@@lyserberg has it been an honor tho?

[@yoshigottagun]

GG. Its been a blast, but this is my stop.

[@anonymous12301]

ALL ABORD, Anyone getting on The Train To The Great Unknown this is your final call. THIS IS THE FINAL STOP! 🚂💨

[@istevoevo]

GG, guardian!

[@joshuamartin1211]

I guess Destiny: Frontiers isn't us leaving Sol, it's leaving Destiny

[@dRac_XII]

bro don’t say that shit i’m so sad

[@atomic_wait]

The Second Collapse happened after all...

[@FildaTheOne]

​@@dRac_XIIit will be good for your health down the line

[@SixBladesKojiro]

It's JOEVER !

[@dRac_XII]

@@FildaTheOne yeah insert “touch grass” meme here. i’m just expressing my disappointment so stfu

[@connordurham6827]

“This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper”

[@Eight.OfClubs]

*whisper of the worm

[@6_Star_Neckphones_timelost]

It ends with a microtransaction for an Assassin Creed cross over.

[@agent00chimp]

Whisper of the limp Bungie CEO noodle

[@zeeochance]

Never thought I'd see someone quoting T.S. Eliot in the comments section of a Destiny video.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

I mean, how long has the community been SCREAMING AT THEM about the fact that their pricing model is confusing and stupid??? How long?! Maybe if they had cleaned it up the player base would have grown and we wouldn’t be here.

[@maxhocks2006]

Yeah bungie did paid expansions AND mircrotransations, AND cosmetics, AND battle passes. Not to mention at any given time they’re selling 2-4 different versions of the expansion. Some of which expire in weeks or even days. Destiny has felt like a scam for a long time. Plus destiny has a bad reputation in the larger gaming landscape so new players stay away.

[@marcosdheleno]

when i complained about that a couple of years ago, people came at me saying i was wrong, and destiny was its best that it had ever been. and then lightfall happened.

[@rokmare]

Things went downhill once Bungie decided to sunset content people paid for should have made Destiny 3 instead, say what you want about Activision but at least they were fair with the content of you paid for

[@theradioactiveplayer3461]

I don't think that would have helped too much. The way yearly finance models work, Destiny would have had to expand like a pyramid scheme - exponentially - for the execs to be truly satisfied. The money coming in from the wack-ass pricing model they have/had cannot have been insignificant, and it all smacks of trying to squeeze as much cash as possible out of people without, as you say, cleaning it up. But the player base wouldn't have grown much from anything other than ditching the season pass model

[@w1zz0k12]

I 100% agree I recently got my friend back into the game and working out what he had to buy was a genuine headache pricing aside

[@mrbthang]

Nobody wanted marathon nobody asked for it what we wanted is more Destiny

[@GeremyG]

All of these smaller updates being free makes me wonder what sort of new microtransaction Bungie is going to cook up. Raid keys? Strike keys?

[@qpsyche9115]

@@GeremyG consumable raid/dungeon keys you can play to earn (but also available for purchase).

[@knowingjake]

Login keys

[@dudebruh8534]

@@qpsyche9115 And those raid/dungeon keys take 2 weeks of grinding to earn 1, and if you don't consume them they expire 2 days after sitting in your inventory. (Ooooooor you could buy the premium keys that don't expire!)

[@Lazerfaced]

​@@qpsyche9115 the fact that this is actually plausible is depressing

[@nickshows1059]

A monthly subscription.

[@aulto]

Is it really Joever? We couldn’t even make it to Act 3 of Episode 1

[@properlydicedonyon3624]

As a longtime Warframe player I welcome yall to the community with open arms. Completely free content, earnable premium currency, and not a single layoff (at least outside of the publishing dept.) for over 11 years running!

[@HolySaintSlayer]

Warframes shit mate. Go pay for wins.

[@shaggy214]

Lance Reddick was the Destiny universe anchor being.

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I wish I were Commander Zavala.... where's my iconic blue man role?

[@KutluMizrak]

​@@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanot even levar Burton can save this.

[@trevofalltrades]

nah, this shit died back with amanda holliday. RIP to both though.. especially the legend that reddick was. HZD will never be the same.

[@GuacBCU]

We have entered Halo Infinite’s “Community Updates” stage.

[@Forcer69]

Y’know, I’m surprised that with everything going on we haven’t heard anything about the Destiny show that got canceled a while back. With all the payback details I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about with it would’ve been.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

It's probably because there were never any real ideas consolidated in the first place or actions made to make it happen.

[@lyserberg]

I'm gonna guess that it never went past the idea phase. If there were any screenplays for a pilot that got eventually canned, they'd have probably leaked by now.

[@tylerfortier2666]

Speaking of which, I wonder if Bungie still has their partnership with Viacom

[@yoshigottagun]

I suspect it never made it into any major point of production. Probably just some vague idea that got thrown around without much actually being invested in it.

[@dnighthawk204241]

I would imagine it's just because there was no actual plan or ideas. If it had hit production, we'd have heard about it.

[@PuddingWhispers]

There’s basically zero motivation to even play Destiny 2 anymore after this. 💀

[@destrocrimson]

yea i been struggling after getting my light level to max, now its not even worth it, even more so.

[@mattydazz]

Agree! After all this. I uninstalled. I am okay with that. We guardians did our time.

[@ianmclachlan8806]

Oddly enough, this might keep me playing. I was planning on stopping after the current episode, as I feel like I have to invest too much time to keep up with the game.Them scaling back content means I can keep up with less time invested

[@atomic_wait]

Yeah I'm really curious. I'm opened minded but this content plan doesn't sound like a very lively future. Destiny has gone through droughts and floods of content but it seemed like we'd left the old droughts mostly in the past. Guess not. Feels like Bungie keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@ItsGBZ]

Warframe 1999. Join us.

[@JoelRogue]

I really hope they aren’t relying on Marathon to be a smashing success. Because I really don’t see another hero shooter being a breakout success.

[@Wynorrific]

Since its inception, it's had to be a massive hit. Destiny is their only revenue, and focusing on an fps in an oversaturated genre just makes it a money pit unless it does fantastic

[@TheSmurf1973]

That's exactly what they are hoping and not only that if it isn't a roaring success, and there is nothing to suggest it will be, then Bungie's future as a company is in dire straits.

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

Even worse, an extraction shooter..idk about y'all but every time I see a cool ass trailer only to see "extraction shooter" I tune out immediately lmao.

[@169FLOZ]

It's going to be an absolute failure; you can't chase trends in business, especially not when the lead time is years to get on the trend. By the time you're "on trend" the trend is over. You need to create the next trend or go in a new direction. They're going to eat shit, and they deserve it.

[@jamesleach6265]

Extraction shooters are growing, not fast enough to be seen as the destiny replacement. Hunt showdown continues to do pretty well, gray zone warfare has launched pretty well, but it feels like the genre is waiting for someone to deliver the wider appeal... Marathon showed a cool aesthetic and with character creation I could see skins and kits selling, having different classes...but a hero shooter, I don't think anyone can see it working

[@Snipercapt09]

Paul getting 'animated' at the end was something to see. I think people appreciate that emotion, especially since it matters so much to you for both Destiny and Game Informer. Thanks for trying to keep it real

[@tylerfortier2666]

Sometimes I forget Paul is an accredited journalist with Forbes and not just a dude with a KZbin channel

[@SpottedHares]

Very easy to forget though

[@Senriam]

@@SpottedHaresprobably because he is only as reliable as any other video game KZbinr

[@heavensdemise]

Don't forget author.

[@FuLengLives]

​@@Senriamnot even that much.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Which means nothing

[@stevenbarcia8286]

I can fully understand the decline in sales from expansion to expansion. The prices went up each year but the volume of content was basically the same (or less when compared to Forsaken).

[@broderickfoster2107]

I’d assume the numbers probably went like this. Forsaken massive but still not enough as Taken King or D2. Shadowkeep nowhere near as many as Forsaken. Beyond Light even less than Shadowkeep. Witch Queen highest they’ve had in D2 (at least pre-order wise) but then people don’t stick around for seasons and so they lost more money on Witch Queen. Lightfall sales were amazing but then they literally had thousands refunding the game and nobody played through the seasons. Final Shape doesn’t even sell to the number of Lightfall pre-refunds… It’s a never ending cycle because the fans are jaded, there’s no new cycle for new players to come into the game with and they waste money on things fans didn’t even ask for (genuinely who wanted New Light and Cosmodrome back??). And I hate to say it but Raids and Dungeons are terrible investments, 90% of the playerbase never touches raids and they are easily some of the most intense and high spending areas of development. It just is a never ending death loop and it is painful to watch…

[@TheZROLimit]

@@broderickfoster2107that’s how I feel exactly. I moved on after lightfall personally. I considered briefly coming back for TFS but then I thought what’s the point. Two months after its release it’s going to be a drought again. I loved destiny but glad I didn’t waste my money this time.

[@maxhocks2006]

@@broderickfoster2107honestly they should have spent waaaay more time and money developing strikes, PvP, and other things that stick around and everyone can play. For every raid we should have had 4-6 strikes, 4-6 PvP maps, at least 2 new gambit maps, and refresh stuff like escalation protocol, or the menagerie. They should have streamlined the new player experience. And made sure free players had tons to do. Instead they were constantly blowing money of stuff only a tiny fraction of the player base interacts with. And blowing money on projects that never got off the ground.

[@Mrfrizzodo]

Lightfall was absolute dog shit of a release and people learned. Unfortunately, Bungie did not. It really is too bad.

[@marcosdheleno]

kept telling people that destiny design was not sustainable, as it was all about the core OG players, at the detriment of the new players. but then people like SkillUp came crying about how he couldnt care less about the new player because the content that was getting gutted was stuff he barely played anyways. and this is what happens when all you care about is your own plate.

[@PlinyTheWelder]

It's simply mind blowing that a group of people responsible for the health of the company had 3 games in development and not one of them was Destiny 3. Marathon was a disaster of an idea to begin with. Arrogant. Failing to even have D3 in pre-production is almost incomprehensible.

[@michaelshingledecker3184]

Thank you! I’ve been saying this forever. Why… the… hell would you not invest in the future of your golden goose IP?! They rested on their laurels and it’s all coming to a head. This isn’t even a difficult prediction. How could Bungie management not see this freight train coming? It’s baffling to me.

[@stephennelson4954]

@@michaelshingledecker3184apparently there were warnings given internally but they were ignored. Foolish hubris.

[@WaveForceful]

I’ve always said that bungie is arrogant. They don’t listen to community feedback or what we want. They just do whatever they want , expect us to like or tell us to leave if we don’t. Hence why Digital extremes will always be better devs because they actually listen to community feedback and do live podcast with the fans.

[@mirelinde5430]

Can you imagine blowing 2 billion dollars and hardly have anything to show for it? Parsons should get a government job next…

[@dovahfruit9503]

why was the original extraction idea for marathon a disaster? the new hero shooter direction is very much so

[@accessofallies1652]

No competitors could take Destiny down. Mismanagement is pulling off what no other rival could, and its depressing.

[@Screeno1993]

I hope something new unexpected comes from some other dev team that fills the vaccum

[@ikon8275]

Over the past 10 years we've always wondered what game would be the "destiny killer". It turns out upper management was the real Destiny killer. Destiny is such a one-of-a-kind game it's like out in the wild when you're an apex predator with no threat you get lazy. You get comfortable rest on your laurels and then die.

[@prstechnic1774]

I hope that in the next 5 years the amazing talent that bungie never realized forms their own studio and creates a hit game.

[@shadyrebob5999]

Status: CALAMITOUS

[@lorzon]

Maintenance Mode. It's been obvious and inevitable since they started vaulting things.

[@EliteRvZ]

Bro 100%, after Forsaken it was all downhill. Sometimes it was subtle like in witch queen but the decline was still there.

[@BroBomba]

It's wild that people actually thought Destiny was going to stick around in any meaningful way after the Final Shape concluded. I called this about a year ago. Bungie is ready to move on, and many players were just sticking around to see the game to it's conclusion. Let it go, folks. It's time to move on.

[@Lightstation_]

Payback was 100% a gacha/mobile game. So glad that didn't happen

[@6_Star_Neckphones_timelost]

You know damn well it was. Look at destiny, tell me it isn’t a glorified mobile game at this point.

[@ZakuZuko]

​@6_Star_Neckphones_timelost to be honest it's kinda worst at some gacha games shop wise. 😂

[@tosutaa]

People arent buying the final shape because no one wants to spend $100 for something that'll just be vaulted next year

[@Screeno1993]

That is what has stopped me wanting to play. No other game does this like this. Paying so much money for so little and then to have it all taken away.. We need a destiny 3. We need a game that doesn't even say 3. Destiny: frontiers.. eh? A new story arc. Better new player experience. Thwy fucked the new player experience when they removed red war and forsaken. Amd since then it jsut kept dropping off as it was harder and harder to get into as seasonal stories were vital to understand the next expansion or the expansion just looked like it's own self contained story. I personally want to see a new game. If sony does it, thank god.

[@liquidrufus]

This is the end my beautiful friend the end. Id say shadowkeep is when expansions started selling less due to it being so anemic compared to forsaken. Bummer about all this.

[@broderickfoster2107]

I don’t even think Forsaken sold as high as Taken King honestly… I remember part of the reason Bungie left activision was because they were disappointed in Forsaken’s sales. It was a great expansion but it didn’t bring everyone they’d lost back and not many new people either. Taken King was basically a reboot with how many people started playing at that point (myself included)

[@WaveForceful]

@@broderickfoster2107their mistake was making destiny 2, they should have just kept destiny 1 and added to it and upgraded the engine. And what they should have done is around beyond light came out is stop old console support. Notice that it was always down there when D2 came out. Making destiny 2 and moving to it felt like going backwards. Look at warframe, it’s over 10 years old Now and it’s still the same game.

[@shawnadams1965]

Being honest here, I loved final shape, and played the hell out of it... then I started echoes and thought it was OK... but with the pathfinder system forcing me to do things I wasn't interested in to progress I lost more and more interest in playing Destiny 2. I went from playing every day to only logging in once a week to check if there was anything cool I could spend my bright dust on. And now that I'm out of dust, I haven't been logging in at all.

[@Ziggler_Wiggler]

@@BigChungus-gz9vw..they said they aren’t playing..

[@shawnadams1965]

@@Ziggler_Wiggler I know right, I'm always amazed at the level of reading comprehension to be found in KZbin comments replies.

[@hollywoodzero2915]

Hi Paul. From experience with big corporate changes like this, Luke and Mark likely got to negotiate an automatic or at least partial vesting of their shares as they exit. Especially if they are not exiting on their own and the company wants to close projects. It’s usually only mid and low level employees who get ripped off with unvested shares. Execs almost always get taken care of. Personal experience (both sides of a case like this)

[@mdemarteau7693]

Question is do we need more Destiny 2? It was a ten year saga which came to an end. Some people rode it out until the end (invested too much to not see the end), some came back to see the end. For me it is fine, I still play a bit because I preordered the whole thing. However, they must come in my opinion with an entire new narrative - like 200 years after beating the Witness. A new story, new enemies, not like now. The Vex narrative is just filler content. We are going to the same locations and do the same repetitive stuff. It is just like tv shows at some point they also end. Sometimes there are spinoffs to milk the content. To me that’s what episodes are right now. Just milking D2 without any clear direction. In my opinion the drop in players is just simply because the saga is over. The narrative now that the Vex are threat doesn’t make any sense. If you are a seasoned player you have nothing to pursuit in terms of exotics or gear. We already have our good gear and weapons. We all dismantle our exotics, prime engrams because we are already to powerful. There is not really any incentive to grind other than perhaps get a title or complete a challenge - and no one cares about it. To me it is alright if the current D2 comes to an end.

[@mdemarteau7693]

@@spicy518maybe not the issue for you but for me it is. I don’t play a game just for the story. Story is an one time thing. To keep playing there must be something to chase. Now after reset you play the story and you are done in a hour. The story here is killing vex and doing repetitive thing on Nessus.

[@Noisemaker50]

i've got 3500 hours in it and 12 gildings on my dredgen title and i'm very much in the camp of, i'm okay with the idea that the story is now over and maybe it's time to move on to other games now. I'm not mad with Destiny or Bungie or dissatisfied with anything and i really don't understand people who are mad about this. Everything we're seeing here is "destiny 3 is not being made, TFS is the end of the journey and we're moving on to other projects" and I don't see how that's some kind of betrayal. Like, it's exactly the same thing that Bungie's been saying was going to happen for a long time.

[@edwardc4453]

god bless Paul

[@shadow12k]

This many people fired & the studio still has 850 for 2 games is dawning. They did not spend that money well

[@nicholascazmay2126]

Nope. Not even a little bit - it’s actually mind boggling when you think of how much financial irresponsibility had to have been exercised to reach this point.

[@annekristiina7503]

Yes, it's mindboggling how many they still have onboard, all the while Digital extremes is doing very well with 2 franchises (Warframe and Soulframe) and only 300 employees world wide.

[@chaoschaoforever]

Because management were idiots and okayed so many different projects.

[@Aftermaph31914]

Larian only has 300 as well...

[@forsakenbacon3208]

Exactly. I can’t see why they need that many people ESPECIALLY for a game that’s been developed for 7 years of launch.

[@p1g3onk1ng]

Oh Bungie, how far you have fallen

[@marcosdheleno]

did you see release destiny 2? or the sunsetting? i wouldnt say it didnt fall, it was always down there to begin with.

[@Goresmog]

@@marcosdheleno True, destiny 2 players have been the most long term slop eaters in video gaming history.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Add matchmaking to every activity, allow the other 60% of the community to get and grind exotic class items, allow the other 70% of the community to get the catalyst for the exotic sword, take a page out of the divisions playbook let everybody play everything; your player number skyrocket, then figure out how to monetize🤷🏾‍♂️ I hope Sony sees this so I can take Pete’s job and go get me a couple of new cars😂

[@Austin-sw3mf]

Didn't even think of this, but that's an excellent idea. I've been on and off The Division 2 since it launched after doing the same with the first one, and it's nice being able to hop in and grind in a meaningful way, especially now that the enemies don't feel as bullet spongey as they did at launch.

[@dudeman757]

Genuinely so bizarre the 12 man activity that everyone liked didn't get match making in the harder version

[@EchoDoctrine]

Bingo. Many solo players suggested this days after Dual Destiny came out.

[@MrGluto]

These sorts of solutions only help to churn the existing players who already play the game to complete their game goals faster and then leave the game faster. The issue is at the core of the Destiny franchise. Bungie burnt community faith and brand image too many times with very public terrible decisions and even worse, anti consumer and anti worker practices. Bungie is dead at this point, there's no leadership left with the heart of Bungie it's all corporate shills now. Let's hope the workers land on their feet in the future, as the rest of the studio will be trimmed away by Sony and repurposed as co dev studios for other Sony projects.

[@edward_fm]

How hard is it to LFG? you dont need to know how to do stuff or even have friends there are tons of very nice people who will sherpa if you take 15 minutes to look for a group on the discord servers

[@The_Makr_]

Bungie got bored of Halo and wanted to make Destiny. They got bored of Destiny and wanted to make a bunch of other things. They have a history of this behavior.

[@destrocrimson]

i think it wasnt making the money they wanted. They where forcing tie in skins and "support" this or that. People have had enough and arent buying. They went that route instead of content in the game.

[@Spike2276]

You see, the thing is that it took them 4 years to go from Halo to Destiny and both were successful. We are now on D2s 7th year of continued existance and Bungie apparently wasn't even making D3 and none of their other projects ever made it to public other than Marathon being announced last year only to be promptly delayed. Franchise hopping is fine if they were actually doing it, but they literally stagnated on D2 while expanding the studio to build other franchises, so of course D2 couldn't carry the weight forever.

[@kaly8329]

Idk if its boredom, a bungie dev did say content is hard 😂😂

[@TheSmurf1973]

Most stupid sh!t Ive heard today. You think all those at the studio that knocked The Final Shape out of the park are bored of Destiny?? How dumb can one person be.

[@chaoschaoforever]

Bungie didn't get bored of Halo, Bungie despised Halo when it was over. Minus a few key people who love it, Bungie as a whole wanted to move on.

[@HAWKER37]

Genuine question. What is the best thing that can happen going forward? Not with Bungie products but the company itself. Does Hulst taking over bode well with the Sony take over? I’m not an industry expert and I’m trying to wrap my head around this.

[@wolvesan]

Best case scenario, Sony absorbs Bungie and gets rid of Pete Parsons and other crappy upper management people.

[@Eight.OfClubs]

Change of management, it could mean good things.

[@dudebruh8534]

Best case scenario Sony walks into Bungie headquarters with an axe and beelines towards the higher up offices. It literally does not matter how many workers they fire, as long as the incompetent children calling the shots are still in charge this will continue to happen. Doesn't even matter if Sony gives them more money, it will go to waste.

[@stephennelson4954]

If Sony comes in they are cleaning house. Expect to see even more rearrangement of positions and a general reduction in Bungie’s overall staff headcount. My prediction in that case is that the Destiny 2 slowdown still happens but Marathon is given to a new studio within SIE made specifically for it with rearranged Bungie devs. (Bungie Seattle maybe idk) Then Sony will start marking D3 plans because while Bungie can’t see the amazing thing they have I know Sony does. Otherwise the acquisition would have never happened. In short I think D2 dies either way, with Sony in direct control there is a hope for a D3 in the future. Possibly one with less abundant monetization. With Sony in direct control a lot of the really *really* stupid decisions will have a harder time finding the light of day. But this may also decrease the overall creative output of Bungie staff. Just my two cents.

[@WhiteInk47]

Sony oversight might help. Can’t be any worse than the current management

[@insomniaddictesp]

Bungie has pissed off their customers so much that I am confident that a large amount of them will likely try to ensure Marathon has a poor release day

[@nicholascazmay2126]

I don’t think they need to try at this point - games worst enemy is people who just don’t care anymore.

[@dudebruh8534]

Hmm that was what I was thinking too. Destiny players are gonna hold a grudge and the rest of gamers are not asking for another generic extraction looter shooter FPS. Plus why would anybody play Marathon when the competition already has a massive head start and have more content?

[@cameronmorgan9622]

They pissed me off enough to uninstall!!!!

[@EchoDoctrine]

Agreed, many players asked for more destiny content and Bungie responded by making Marathon, most likely using many many devs that could have been making more destiny content. I hope Marathon crashes and burns and I played the OG Marathon and loved those games as a teen.

[@ThickRedPaste]

​@@EchoDoctrinestraight hubris from bungie execs

[@oZiiix]

The community is always looking for a scapegoat. Now it's Pete, before that it was Luke, before Luke it was Activision, and before Activision it was Microsoft.

[@underscore_5450]

Well its gotta be someone who's steering the ship. DMG in community management isn't the one in charge of spending the money. Joe Schmo the programmer making battlegrounds isn't pushing for another live service game to be made. Its almost certainly the fault of those making these big decisions like greenlighting Marathon for development, trying to make another spinoff game, buying $2.4 million worth of vintage cars, ect. I'm not sure how it couldn't be those people's fault.

[@nicholascazmay2126]

“Scapegoat” is a strong word for “the real culprit all along.” In all seriousness though - it’s Bungie upper leadership. Always has been. There was something evidently wrong as far back as D1 before it even came out, even further back apparently if one was paying attention during the Halo years. The greed has finally caught up.

[@oZiiix]

@@underscore_5450 what if the game is just finished, the player base is older. Every company with a long running title has to account for their player base getting older. You can only do the same thing so many times different ways. The community has this view of what Destiny could be since Destiny 1. Hoping that one day it'll get close to their vision. After 10 years it never got there. Doing the same song and dance of "games dead" expansion announced "take my money" rinse repeat. The issues with Bungie are Bungie's they were even independent at one point and needed to be acquired to survive. It's over and that's fine after 10 years of the franchise. It's an achievement one of the best franchises ever made it's run is just over. There really is no need for what could have been because it would still end up being expensive regardless.

[@nicholascazmay2126]

@@oZiiix It’s perfectly reasonable to argue it could have been managed far better than it was. Its death was not inevitable and it did not have to go this way. This is the result of repeatedly choosing to short change the game either to rip off players or allocate resources to doomed projects that would never see the light of day. This wasn’t inevitable - it was a choice. One Bungie leadership repeatedly kept making.

[@MaZeH2O]

"Payback" being a 3rd person game was not on my BINGO card

[@uniqueidentity1362]

Ikr they were just trying to make Destiny a Halo like game.

[@dRac_XII]

@@uniqueidentity1362destiny is already a halo like game

[@Osiris02]

​@@uniqueidentity1362Halo was FPS though. The only 3rd person Bungie game was Oni and it was pretty rough. The only reason to go 3rd person is to sell skins.

[@LadyDeutza]

I knew as soon as they said it's not Destiny 3... It's probably something different, capitalizing on other trends like 3rd person or open world etc. I see I was correct.

[@Aefweard]

@@Osiris02 ah yes, there can never be gameplay/design/other reasons. Not saying that many 3rd person don't do it for skins but....

[@BB-nm6oz]

Honestly, at this point, I've been around since beta d1 and have finally completed the se raid and excision grandmaster. While it is sad to see this news, if destiny is truly over due to this, im only sad for the workers who lost their jobs. As for the story itself, im ready to move on and play other games. If destiny continues, great, but if not, then im fine with it too

[@dominickjadon]

They fumbled SO hard with that Payback idea they could’ve dropped a gacha game and completely turned things around ☠️

[@GuzzyBaka]

Ikr, if they could have made a successful gacha they could have been making bank.

[@thegrouchization]

As a Warframe player, I wish to extend my sincere sympathies to the Destiny community. Though the rivalry between these two may have been bitter at times, it brings me no joy to see your game's future prospects be so... diminished.

[@darthkai3621]

I take your sympathy to heart brother. Though I feel this is actually a turning point, in that I hope it’ll just be Eververse stuff that you have to pay😁

[@Softnwet12]

Damn. You’re better than me then. I’m having a blast seeing this shitty company finally get what they deserve

[@alizayus]

3:12 It's true that there are more leaders than Pete Parsons, obviously. However, when a ship is sinking and all the crew members are dying, who is to blame? The Captain who made the decision to go in that perilous direction? Or the Helmsman? You can only avoid accountability for so long before your the only one to blame🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Vin_Venture896]

I feel pretty vindicated considering I always believed that one TFS was done that Bungie would just out tinier episodes and mini content until the game died off lmao.

[@TheSmurf1973]

Well, as long as you feel good.....

[@popcornfilms1]

In their desperate effort to avoid ‘over delivery’ they are SMOTHERING their company. Good RIDDANCE.

[@camelm3istr]

I hate that this is happening…but sometimes all good things must come to an end.

[@jamesreilly563]

Exactly my dude, game had a legendary run, sucks that it's ending because of the inaptness of leadership but still it blows away any other companies attempts

[@TargetSniper365]

It’s not ending lmao keep crying see you in a month when this blows over

[@AvengingN00b]

@@jamesreilly563 it's not only that, the more supportive and dedicated player base is bored of the game too. They only come to devour any new content then burp and then GTFO 'til next content drop, not blaming anybody for this, it's just too many good games out there to spend it on the same game loop

[@hamsterrwrld6767]

We should have expected this from the same people who threw away Halo like it was nothing and sold it to a studio that had no clue what to do with the ip. As a very recently returning player this is devastating because I was really starting to get back into Destiny.

[@scrawnyclownsnatch9656]

I guess the higher-ups really expected D2 to keep printing money without declining...despite the data showing it wasn't (if it ever did). And the fact they tried funding like 5 games and a show/movie, and god knows what else, with only ONE multi-year old game out blows my mind. It feels like they tried to speed run being as big as Activision/EA etc...

[@agent00chimp]

The Destiny franchise's entire soundtrack is good reminiscing/vibing out music. Puts me in a good mood even despite all the bad that's happened recently and in the past. Good ride, and an OST that'll last forever at least.

[@vita4657]

I feel all of this sprouted from the one slide that was leaked from the bungie employee briefing 'Beware of overdelivery, you're creating patterns'. This is all the result of constant under delivery... Edit: the slides weren't leaked, it was from an hour long presentation on GDC - Thanks @MishaLUL for the fact check.

[@nicholascazmay2126]

Constant under delivery because they were putting 75% of their resources into projects that weren’t making any returns.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@nicholascazmay2126 i would say 50%, with 25% into monetization bullshitery.

[@nicholascazmay2126]

@@marcosdheleno I mean it’s more complicated than I’m making it, but you don’t get massive financial insolvency like this without throwing some serious money into the garbage.

[@MishaLUL]

It wasn't leaked. It's an entire hour long presentation on GDC titled "From boxed products to Live Service: how 'destiny 2' transformed bungie". To say that it was leaked implies information was withheld.

[@vita4657]

@@MishaLUL Ah, I wasn't aware of this, thank you :)

[@justzack641]

I can't believe we're actually going back to Curse of Osiris levels of "it's joever" just right after arguably the best expansion the game's ever seen

[@Zornotfugen]

witch queen just came out?

[@killclip6449]

@@Zornotfugenwitch Queen is the second best dlc, still nowhere near the final shape tho

[@dmajorray6154]

Deserved lmao, everyone hyping up one expansion that while amazing doesn't mean the game will continue to be good. People should have held off on getting the dlc for a couple more months tbh. Whoever thought it was genuinely gonna get better is beyond me

[@WaveForceful]

@@killclip6449how was the final shape the best DLC. Its story was alright. Nothing special and it also had holes. Where was Eris morn, the one character that was as instrumental in getting us to this point and she didn’t even have a single line of dialogue. Where also is the end game? Overthrow? The raid is probably the best thing about it. Overall which queen was a better expansion. Neither witch queen nor final shape are a dent however on forsaken which is the biggest change and content drop we ever got.

[@dommccabe17]

Forsaken was just released?

[@TaviusPlays]

Your frustration and trying to keep your cool during a this video Paul. Such a crappy situation It really sucks. Thanks for the video. ❤

[@EastyyBlogspot]

The bungie cord has been severed

[@Eight.OfClubs]

Strand verb mentioned 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️

[@nathanflinchum1153]

Yeah it’s gonna be hard to bounce back from this one

[@ravenmathesen3776]

Thank you for this, Paul. It is completely gutting to hear what has happened to D2 and Bungie. I want you to know I appreciate all the content and excellence you have brought to the Destiny 2 experience. I am overwhelmed, honestly. Keep your chin up. You are not alone.

[@krysixx-5535]

Honestly I would say next week we need a state of the game more than anything to let us know what is exactly happening in the future

[@agent00chimp]

They need to add a D1 + D2 strike dlc with exotics and boss loot for every strike boss, and add new flashy ornaments & neon shaders galore. Everybody would buy it. Updated Archon Priest on Venus with champs? lol

[@zrpggamer]

They should have done destiny 3 years ago

[@AkagiRedSun]

Beyond light should’ve been the D3 but they couldn’t make enough contents to full fledge game so they ended up sticking with it. It’s crazy how loyal fans can be when we can clearly see how lazy and incompetent Bungie was making a game. Even Call of Duty was squeezing out +30 multiplayer maps every year when D2 in general made no changes

[@nicholascazmay2126]

I don’t think it was a case of “lazy” so much as spreading their resources far too thinly, based on what we’re seeing now.

[@mrbaglog]

If I was Sony I would be looking very hard at what would be the cheapest way to get a Destiny 3 officially announced for sure. They need to make something out of their investment.

[@skyhunterrhythe5674]

Idk why I keep working so hard at my working class job when I could just become a CEO and get paid to blow my nose into $100 bills

[@TheSmurf1973]

You don't have what it takes, that's why you're in a working class job.

[@skyhunterrhythe5674]

@@TheSmurf1973 Thank you!

[@TheSmurf1973]

@@skyhunterrhythe5674 🤣

[@aaron_ow]

Well we had a good run, 10 years of Destiny was more than we could ask for really. It sucks for it to end like this.

[@Astro-ck6mh]

all good things must come to an end... 10 years is already good longevity.

[@corujariousa]

There are so many locked areas in Destiny 2 destinations. Bungie could start opening those adding/copying already existent code (enemy hoards, public events, lost sectors) and slowly move to an Open World model.

[@Phillyutopia]

so glad i bounced after lightfall.

[@BigChungus-gz9vw]

Same bro I do enjoy the trash fire still tho

[@Softnwet12]

For real.

[@GuzzyBaka]

For real bro

[@leviackyman9626]

So payback was gonna be like TFD but with Destiny characters?! 😱😱😱 Shit that would’ve been awesome! My mains would be Shaxx, Drifter for the funny lines and Mara OBVIOUSLY. Maybe Luke can still carry the idea under a different studio. Ain’t no way in the frozen hells I’m coming back to Destiny after all this, but that game I would play

[@AvatarSnake]

big "is Butterbean okay?" moment for the community rn

[@lgd6619]

I haven't seen a Jackass reference in nearly a decade, you took me on a nostalgia trip and made my day with this 😂

[@AvatarSnake]

@@lgd6619 You're welcome! I mean, it really feels like it with the pounding they're taking.

[@lgd6619]

@AvatarSnake I think watching it happen in slow motion has been horrendous, I have very critical of Bungie and some of their decisions in the last few years but they definitely deserve better than this, feels like the soldiers are taking the fall for the genrals mistakes

[@V-vision]

I appreciate the emotional reaction at the end mixed in with the standard reporting; I didn't think it was too much at all. RIP Game Informer

[@ed61730]

Hopefully now we will see updates to Dares of Eternity. I love that mode but it could do with a lot of the new content added.

[@huddleaw]

That's a shame. They lost me at Sunsetting but I always thought I would be back at some point. Maybe not now 😔

[@JPitt1070]

I thought the end of Destiny would be when it got so bad that it flopped but I never thought Bungie would kill it slowly like this

[@Dryvlyne]

The idea that Bungie or Sony think they can onboard new players at this point into D2 while also saying no more expansions, large content drops or D3 is absolutely laughable. They are literally killing the franchise.

[@dinanga_revert]

Alternate universe: Witness succeeds the Final Shape Winnower proves Gardener wrong No more Destiny because the universe is in eternal stasis

[@ragnarokncc3137]

I saw that real frustration about GameInformer at the end there man, and I felt it.

[@Cloudz2021]

I love how all of us were saying "We're so glad Bungie got away from Activision!", but it's clear they, and the two studios that helped Bungie, really made a positive difference. Leadership has been the issue from day 1 it seems.

[@Krolinator]

Thanks for keeping it real Paul. Great recap. Sad to see this for Destiny but what a 10 year run it’s been.

[@koolwis9413]

I wont be pivoting to Marathon. Thanks for the update.

[@DeuceTreyz]

Welp, I've enjoy the Destiny content since discovering your channel Paul. Love the Forbes articles. Moving on from the game at this point.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Ladies and gentlemen, imagine a world log into destiny. Click on a dungeon hit play and it starts with you in two. Other guardians….. opposed to …I login go to LFG wait 45 minutes start the dungeon one person drops out and then I start the process all over again then say F it I’m going to bed. At the end of the day, I spent an hour plus on Destiny and people wonder why I stop playing🤷🏾‍♂️

[@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398]

Cry about it.

[@minhnguyen-fs2iv]

dont understand your complain 1 person drop out so what ? find another one ? is the dungeon cant join mid-progress ?

[@deniswith1n]

I can’t tell you the number of times this has happened. Or jump on to play a few comp matches and people start quitting on your team and it’s stomp after stomp. Then you log off after 1 hour and say, well that was fun.

[@EchoDoctrine]

game is not solo player friendly, hence why many solo players quit playing.

[@MrTmm97]

The smaller updates doesn’t make sense. Bungie was bought for almost 4 Billion dollars. The vast majority of their revenue is based on Destiny 2. So why would they reduce Destiny 2 content, when it’s the one thing keeping the studio afloat? Cost cutting and removing employees isn’t going to increase profit if they don’t continue to make a similar level of content to sell. They would be lowering revenue and costs and come out similar or worse to the situation they are currently in. It doesn’t make business sense to reduce the content Destiny 2 is pushing out…. So these leakers either got it wrong or I would be willing to bet Sony will step in and force Bungie to create decent levels of content so their investment isn’t a complete waste. Maybe the Sony integration is a good thing! Sony pushes out tons of Bangers. I had a Series X and bought a PS5 just to play all of the exclusives because they are so good. So maybe Sony stepping in and managing the company is a good thing. The points you made in this video point to the opposite of what the leakers or saying. It isn’t a smart business decision to slash away the only reliable revenue source. So until Bungie confirms expansions aren’t going to continue be released… I won’t get too upset over the idea. I love Destiny. I get burnt out and play other games for a bit between seasons/expansions. But I always come back to it and am willing to buy expansions if they are good. Despite what so many people say about leaving after Final Shape… if Bungie can continue to develop and market expansions around the level of quality of Witch Queen and Final Shape… the majority of us long time fans will keep coming back and spending and enjoying the game. For Bungie…. Or in the long run Sony to even allow or this minimal content pack plan is an insane business decision that is clear to anyone with a few brain cells doesn’t make sense. If it’s clear to us… it’s clear to Sony. So let’s hope they step in and make sure Bungie continues to invest into Destiny’s future. I’m sure they are willing to invest a bit more… while Bungie focuses solely on Destiny and Marathon… to continue to maintain to loyal customer base they currently have.

[@darthkai3621]

I honestly agree. They already cut off the activists in the team and Bungie is pushing out free content. If they go full Warframe, I’d be all for it.

[@frankcouper9377]

Payback started out as a FPS but was changed to a third person shooter.

[@e2rqey]

The fundamental issue Destiny 1 and 2 never got around was the fact that the tools and engine they used to make Destiny were never conducive to having anything close to economically efficient production. but due to it being a live game they never had the time or resources to fully overhaul their engine and tools and address the technical debt and inefficiencies in their production pipeline. They might have been able to make that choice at some point in the past. but if so its clear they chose to kick the can down the road until that was no longer a viable option and they were basically stuck with what they had in D2, more or less. Instead of making 3 other games, they probably should have put a lot of that money into making Destiny something that could be developed sustainably. Which basically meant these issues were terminal, without some massive cash injection

[@riskrunner4532]

Pete Parking Some cars will sacrifice everything and everyone to buy 1 million dollar classic cars for his vast collection. Think Thanos with the infinity stones just more pathetic and wasteful.

[@omensoffate]

You jealous or something? Who cares what he spends his money on

[@riskrunner4532]

@@omensoffate what do you want to go down on him or something? Why do you care about me making fun of a rich person.

[@omensoffate]

@@riskrunner4532 why do you care about a rich person? Does it make you feel better blaming one guy rather than bungie as a whole?

[@riskrunner4532]

@@omensoffate think I found his alt account. Think you'll get paid for their righteous white knighting. Also aren't you the person who does nothing but hate on bungie and disagree with people? Maybe you're nothing more than a contrarian.

[@grizzlybehr1902]

Yeah... This whole situation sucks... Hang in there Paul 🤙 you're not alone in how you're feeling. The whole situation is completely f***ed. We'll get through it

[@distantstorm1257]

Seems “Echoes” was the right name for this year’s remaining content: a thing growing fainter and fainter with every passing moment, slowly fading from existence 😢

[@fuego786]

The witness is really powerful, so much that it even started deconstructing the beliefs on the game itself

[@andrewb5024]

death by a thousand cuts (literally)

[@yankeyhotel]

Always appreciate your content, thanks again

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Payback may not have been interesting for people who just play Destiny, which is why it was a spinoff to Destiny. However, as someone who plays Destiny, Warframe, and Genshin... That concept sounds very appealing to me. I always thought the Guardian was the most boring character in the Destiny universe, but if you're telling me i could play as Elsie Bray or Ada-1 and fight monsters and do raids in an open world... That seems pretty cool to me. And judging how popular first descendent is, I bet the project would have been successful IF they could give proper resources to it... Which they obviously couldn't afford.

[@SpicyCheeseSpread]

Into the light only worked as a build up and preparation for the final shape, I don’t see packs like that working as a replacement for an annual expansion.

[@qpsyche9115]

The First Descendant and Warframe's future are looking brighter every day

[@SpottedHares]

We just found out our next Warframe is gonna be spider themed.

[@Captain058]

There's one point that I think is really obvious in relation to Destiny. The players have been saying for a long time that the new light experience is terrible. In a business sense the game has a tiny, difficult on-ramp and a huge, easy to use off-ramp. (The seasonal model grinds on you after a while, making that off-ramp more appealing each season) So, each expansion selling less than the last is not just predictable, it's INEVITABLE. I could've told them that for a lot less than their average executive makes. 🤔

[@Eymbr]

Marathon is going to hit with a thud, grow a small audience then be either put on life support or shut down in like 2 years while Bungie is fully absorbed into Sony and eventually shuttered. From the very moment they shipped Reach and moved onto Destiny it has been leadership failure after leadership failure. Taken King, Forsaken, Witch Queen and Final Shape are the only times that the leaders were able to get their heads out of their assess. It's sad really.

[@jaylowry4082]

For years they had said there was no D3 in the making. I don't know why people are shocked to find out the truth of it. I am deeply disappointed in Bungie management and the fact that they fired and moved over 350 people. If D2 is going into somewhat of a maintenance mode, looking on the brighter side, it could mean the ability for them to bring QoL to the game that everyone has been clamoring about for years. Especially features that have been in the game that have been needing a rework like weapon crafting, actual bad luck protection, knockout systems, the list goes on. What I'm getting at is don't get too discouraged, there is always a bright side to a dark situation.

[@RemedyPlays]

I think we will be fine

[@aaronwilliams7220]

Hey Paul. I really enjoyed all the Destiny articles you have wrote. It's kinda of hard for me as I have played Destiny and destiny only since day one. Hopefully this isn't the end. Seikosports

[@PerpetuallyTiredMusician]

Hey Paul you should mention your book projects more often, you seem to be the one that should take care, you do look a bit stressed out my man

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

I feel like you summed it up in the end with “Wasted Effort”. Destiny was a real deal new big IP. I’m glad I had my fun in D1 and didn’t continue on.

[@Mike_Viola]

Hey Siri, queue up Cilla Black "Surprise Surprise".

[@GuadalupeF.Arredondo]

Sounds like the perfect time for them to put a forge mode on the backburner

[@stuartbagley2586]

If Payback was The First Descendant but set in the Destiny universe, I would most certainly be interested!