Christian YouTubers vs SATAN (feat. Satan)

[@Paulogia]

A few captions errors -- 3:15 and 3:30 "inherency" instead of "inerrancy" 20:48 "Arabic" instead of "Aramaic" 22:02 "text collector" instead of "tax collector"

[@adarkerstormishere]

Who writes your captions, Paul? They do a pretty good job, but if you ever want to hire someone who's so pedantic about grammar and spelling as to be (rightfully) disliked, I'm looking to change career paths and I love animation.

[@magicrectangleEnt]

At about 22 minutes there’s also “text collector” instead of “tax collector” I also second the other person’s statement and am willing to proofread copy if you need someone for it.

[@Cathowl]

I appreciate the detailed captions but the bouncing highlight is really visually distracting.

[@WordAte]

Acknowledging textual errors, albeit errors that do not impact Paulogia's arguments, in a video about errors in the Bible's text is very meta. Love it.

[@NewNecro]

Thankfully the captions don't claim to be inerrant!

[@DC_Prox]

One of the most popular activities in apologetics is proving that the Bible is inerrant by teaching you how to ignore all the errors.

[@acebailey2478]

Very well said

[@brianhurd3355]

Truly an inerrant observation.

[@Rikastin]

Shouldn't be. The early Christians had a more healthy view. They openly debated on serious issues and contradictions.

[@DC_Prox]

@@Rikastin exactly, modern apologetics is in conflict with healthy discourse.

[@rolandledesma-de7qd]

Concerning the exodus, didn’t archeologists find chariot parts and wheels under the Red Sea?

[@jamesmackey1238]

This is what turned me against pastors. They aren’t in the business of finding the truth-they are in the church business.

[@chriswest8389]

Church of divine Profits.Not all of them though maybe.

[@geneshifter]

Yup, they are lying for their Jesus. Very dishonest imo.

[@theol64]

​@@geneshifter And you are so pristine in all your efforts, huh? No guile or error in you? Just full of ROT!

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

Huh, is that why they spend their budget on feeding the poor?

[@neodimium]

@@theol64 From pristine to full of ROT? Wow, how christian of you. And all because you feel personally attacked by someone else opinion.

[@Flockmeister]

You actually got Satan ! What a get ! That’s what makes your content so great: the amazing guests that appear in your videos.

[@EnergyCenterTV]

In Judaism, there is no war between God vs Satan. This is totally made up

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Not even Lex Friedman can get Satan.

[@quotedotes]

Paul's content is more than sufficient on its own, that's part of why he can pull the guests that he can. Because he is one of the greats!

[@theol64]

@@quotedotes One of the great @$$#0|ez

[@EnergyCenterTV]

@@MarcosElMalo2 There is no war between God vs Satan both are myths to obscure the true identities of the gods of the bible which according to Sumerian cuneiform tablet translations is Enlil and Enki.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

SATAN! Paul, you officially have my undivided attention this morning. 😊

[@msskaggs3911]

I love knowing that Derek is a fan of Daddy Morning Star. 🤣

[@Vinnymanvinny1]

​@@msskaggs3911 damn, daddy morning star ⭐😂😂😂😂

[@SATANSGUIDE]

Full praise for the Man, the Mythvision.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

s8n as on Twixter would have been better ;)

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

​@@SATANSGUIDE "There are some of you standing here who will not taste death... next week." Color me unimpressed. Hail Satan!

[@Venaloid]

3:57 - Ah yes, the nuance of "I said X would happen but then it didn't happen but I'm still right."

[@JimmyTuxTv]

The b-roll is perfect of contortionists

[@axeman3d]

“What the all knowing creator of the universe ACTUALLY meant was…” KZbin apologists denying their theology while desperately defending it.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

the all-knowing creator of the universe sure made it hard on his defenders...

[@PolyphonicSpr33]

Olympic Gold-level mental gymnastics

[@melissahocking8831]

Gotta love how Christians will claim inerrancy when they’re on the up, but call it ‘nuanced’ when pressed on hard questions

[@timeshark8727]

They don't seem to realize that when you need to change the story beyond recognition in order to support it, you aren't actually supporting it.

[@goldenalt3166]

But... but that's what Jesus would do.

[@acebailey2478]

This is golden

[@dohpam1ne]

Exactly. When they're forced to constantly readjust the claims with "well this part is allegory, this part is poetry, this part is hyperbole", we have to stop and ask exactly what evidence would ever count as being inconsistent with the story.

[@MaxDoll]

@@dohpam1ne I just had someone do this with Psalm 22. The piercing of hands and feet was literal crucifixion and Christ prophecy, but the dogs and lions were metaphorical. I thanked him for the example of picking and choosing to fit your chosen narrative. 🤷‍♀

[@Colddirector]

Also assuming there really was a god who inspired this book and it was key to our salvation - it's hard to avoid the conclusion that he did a really bad job. I mean, in what other context is making your book of lifesaving instructions so convoluted and easy to misunderstand a good idea? I mean if he's all-powerful and all-knowing, he should know exactly how to convey his message in a clear and unambiguous tone, right?

[@MrMattSax]

One of the most popular apologetics is “this is what the Bible says but that is not what it means”

[@estebanaguirre965]

Oh gods I'm so tired of that conversation... I love pointing out 1 Timothy 2:11-15, out of pure pettiness. Watch them twirl and jump and run around the point, like it's so hard for them to just... say they don't believe it... It's so tiring

[@MrMattSax]

@@estebanaguirre965yeah I actually brought that verse up to my evangelical brother and his response was literally “the culture around the early Christians was misogynistic so the Christians had to act as if they were to but they were actually weren’t” 🙄

[@supasf]

Noooo the bible assigns to women the role every other society in human history has except for the past 80 years... truly devastating

[@billdecompsa4705]

@@estebanaguirre965 (Gal. 3:28), (1 Cor. 11:5), (Titus 2:3-4).

[@Maurus200]

The reason I became an atheist is because I was faltering and looked to apologists. They would make arguments that sounded intuitive as a Christian but I realized that they didn't seem intuitive to others. Ultimately I decided to try and take a clean slate approach. Learn what I can, see all the arguments and then see if it leads to the conclusion that Christianity is correct. What I found is that Christianity is built on sand rather than rock. Apologetic excuses reign in people from straying but they don't adequately explain anything that can convince someone of truth. There is a reason why most people that prosthelytize for religion tend to lean on emotional arguments rather than actual facts. Once people are in the religion they now have a conclusion that apologists can now exploit.

[@ElusiveEel]

likewise for me, Kent Hovind helped me become an atheist when I considered the evidence that his seminars were lies, in particular Paulogia's lecture on 3 pieces of evidence for evolution he addressed Hovind in.

[@cheeseman417]

I love the animation of the devil character, the way he's drawn, the periodic blinking, the voice, he's like one of those 1970's saturday morning cartoons!😂😂

[@catelynh1020]

I showed my mother the original video (satan's guide to the bible) and she immediately clocked it as nostalgic to the church cartoons she watched as a child. Said it brought back all sorts of memories of watching stuff like it at church that she hadn't thought of in decades. She did admit that it felt very compelling as a child because of the way it was animated and acted, and to see it in a different light knowing what she knows now, she much prefer's satan's version

[@usernamenotfound80]

*Satan

[@cheeseman417]

@@catelynh1020 You want to watch a good one, that classic cheesy 70's style cartoons, check out children's stories of the bible series from 1978 ,which is still on youtube, the oversized eyebrows on the characters, the dialogue, oh, it's great!🤣 i used to watch it on VHS

[@dirtywaterfab1695]

Ruh-roh!

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

Filmation would have had a field day with this character-design.

[@anewhero1216]

Paulogia with that “feat. Satan” clout lol

[@Merrick]

Apologists have given a LOT of ground over the last few years

[@Gareth7]

They've also whinged endlessley about it.

[@mattakudesu]

They haven't had a choice. The internet makes it a LOT harder for them to hide archeological scholarship about the bible, which basically blows the entire the wide open. Christianity, and religion as a whole, is getting exposed as just a ritualistic tradition passed down from people who were so ignorant of the world that they had to make stuff up about it.

[@13shadowwolf]

The only reason ancient religions survived was due to being more violent than other groups. Their entire belief systems were based in Might Make Right, they declared anyone who was a "non-believer" to be "evil" and used violence to enforce their views about "good/evil" over massive areas. They claim to be worshipping a "good" god, and that justifies any action taken as "good"; how many modern Christians simply re-write history to justify their beliefs? How many ancient Christians would have flat out lied to support their beliefs? Their lives were on the line on a daily basis, and it would get worse if they claimed to "not believe"; so joining the religion and promoting the power of the religion would be extremely beneficial to them. In ancient times, Fanatical Cultists generally outlived Critical Thinkers that questioned the claims of Fanatical Cultists.

[@andydonnelly8677]

@Merrick Mr Deity has started calling them 'excusegists', i kinda like it.😂

[@apimpnamedslickback5936]

They’ve been pushed and squeezed so much and you can tell

[@jacklabloom635]

Those Christian apologists are like defense attorneys, who are required to represent guilty defendants. They are compelled to avoid admitting any inconsistencies in their defense, while claiming the truth is the opposite of what the evidence shows.

[@EnergyCenterTV]

How so? In the Garden of Eden, i am learning the serpent opposed Satan not God.

[@exvangelicarol5336]

😅💯🎯 That is the best description of a christian apologist I have ever heard! Trying to make sense of the buybull is futile. 😖 I'm gonna save this video just for ur comment!! thx. lol. defense attorneys!!! 😂🤣

[@Venaloid]

I do kind of feel bad for Christians. They basically inadvertently scrolled to the bottom of the terms of service, signed their name, and now they're stuck defending things they didn't critically consider. I'm quite happy with my own worldview where, if something doesn't make sense, I don't have to believe it or defend it.

[@EnergyCenterTV]

@@exvangelicarol5336 Have you ever heard the saying Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. That's what you are doin....

[@mattakudesu]

They're called apologists because they have to keep apologizing for how confusing and nonsensical the bible is.

[@OrenArieli]

The Exodus story was the thread that unraveled my cloak of theism. It was the impetus for further exploration of religions and myths.

[@bignoob1790]

Good lessons to learn in the exodus

[@OrenArieli]

@@bignoob1790 There are good lessons in Aesop's Fables. Doesn't mean we need to turn it into a religion.

[@ellyam991]

Love how they poison the well by saying the documentary cherry picks scholars followed by "Yes what that scholar said is true but the bible didn't mean it that way". If only some sort of god could've helped these ancient peoples write coherent sentences that didn't need reinterpretation, amiright?

[@Dr_Wrong]

God told me He doesn't exist. I believe Him.

[@l4dfanatic11]

"but god DID make it clear! its obvious to anyone! you're just not looking at the evidence! or you're biased in your atheist worldview! or you're not consistant with your worldview!" some theist probably

[@acebailey2478]

Lol or if he would come down and help out his floundering apologists.

[@yadabub]

@@acebailey2478 He can't, he's timeless. That means he has no time for anything.

[@randomname4726]

​@@l4dfanatic11 Yip. My Christian friend, "You just have to read the bible". So I read it and found out just how ludicrous and evil it is. Christian friend, "It's because you don't believe in God so the real meaning isn't revealed to you"

[@dohpam1ne]

"There wasn't a LARGE-SCALE exodus, but there were a few semitic people who left Egypt at some point" is the new "Okay, there's MICROEVOLUTION, but there's no large-scale MACROEVOLUTION"

[@pauljimerson8218]

I believe in centimeters, but not meters 😂

[@frank_calvert]

i also like that theyre scrutinising any poor wording on his part, but will explain every poor wording in the bible

[@paulschuckman6604]

the funny thing is there was a mass migration of Semitic people during the time of Akhenaten, but nobody wants to admit that the biblical Moses was likely Akhenaten.

[@pug9431]

​@@paulschuckman6604My man. Billy Carson is doing wonders to break down Abrahamic belief regardless of how accurate he may be

[@11nith]

⁠​⁠@@paulschuckman6604Ok but why the hell do people and names have to be so retrofitted? What if Moses was actually Akhenaten? Ok what if Samson was Hercules and He Man was Arthur? You can draw whatever parallels you want and come to some kinda Frankenstein conclusion. Like the Bible clearly mentions that the name of the person leading the Israelites was Moses. It doesn’t say something like “Ekatan” and if it did then sure it’s plausible. And the Bible sure as hell does not mention that it’s a Pharaoh leading the Israelites outta Egypt.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Satans guide is what got me started down the road of deconstruction

[@jimmythompson1979]

Welcome!

[@Daniel-wr7yh]

Glad to see this. Whatever happens during this period in your life, do not be ashamed. Do not be ashamed of once believing, and do not be ashamed of having unburdened yourself of that belief. Keep being curious - it is the antidote to fear.

[@andyferari6478]

The road of Destruction more like

[@andyferari6478]

@@Daniel-wr7yh and if you feel like you’re burning and exploding just say it’s a hallucination

[@dereknoto6555]

@@andyferari6478 "My sky daddy's going to beat you up!"

[@greaterthan5054]

2000 years of retconning. That’s a heavy lift for modern apologists.

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

Longer if you count early Jewish and late Hebrew claims about the past, since they were part of the same traditions.

[@aukemebel4263]

The reason why I am kinda done with debates on the truth of christianity, is because everything is build on interpretation. All of it. If a book can be subjectively read to mean whatever you want it to be, then it fails as the medium to bring an objective message. If there is a god and this god wants us to know it exists, it would have never send such a book, where it's contents can be debated over for 2000+ years. Christian apologists seem to know that their approach is failing to convince anyone and it seems more like the last clinging methods to stay in their religion. The last struggle of a an indoctrinated mind against the logic framework in their mind.

[@ElusiveEel]

That's also one of the things that had me considering whether it was all nonsense - every church insists that they have the one true interpretation and has feuds with each other, and even those that agree on certain fundamentals will eventually disagree on some minutia, while in my own study the Bible was not clear on these matters, even on something as important as baptism. That's not what you would expect if Christianity were true, but it's exactly what you'd expect to result from naturalistic processes.

[@rogercroft3218]

Ah, but you forget that it’s vital to test your faith and you couldn’t do this with clear, easily falsified claims.

[@MrMattSax]

I had a rather long discussion with a person who genuinely believed there was one, single, true interpretation of the Bible and that they had it.

[@aukemebel4263]

@@MrMattSax You mean evert single christian from a denomination? This is also why I am completely convinced that no god would ever use a book to convey its message in any way. As this god would know beforehand how easily construed its message would be. We see it today as well, christians, jews and muslims are so completely convinced that their book is correct. Yet all groups can't be correct, which is why a lot of special pleading is employed.

[@ElusiveEel]

@@aukemebel4263 They also claim that god is with you helping you understand his book. If that were true it'd be impressive, but it's obviously not true at all.

[@chrisd6287]

Imagine spending your whole life having to defend and "apologize" for your religion. Any belief that requires apologists isnt a belief worth having.

[@charleswajda-gotwals3690]

You mean like literally every field of science in all of history? Also, apologetics means defence of the faith, not asking for forgiveness for the faith, you're intentionally misrepresenting the word.

[@chrisd6287]

@@charleswajda-gotwals3690 that's why I put it in quotations and Im pretty sure the word defend was in that sentence as well. Im well aware of the definition of apologetics. And yes, there's many things science has been wrong about through history but when found to be at fault it is admitted and we move forward. That's the scientific method and how we make progress. The technological world we live in with an abundance of luxury is bc of Science.

[@Petticca]

@charleswajda-gotwals3690 "You mean like literally every field of science in all of history?" What is that question in relation to within the comment you're responding to? @chrisd6287 made two statements and neither of them appear to be the logical precursor to that question. Apologetics is engaging in formally defending a position, or an opinion, or some action; it does not mean "defence of the faith". To be fair, it has now come to most commonly be associated with defense of Christian claims, and more specifically, the attempts to defend the untenable position(s) that all the stories and events in the Bible actually happened, and as described, and/or the Bible is wholly inerrant in every sense of the word. Which is exactly why you got upset with @chrisd6287's comment, because in its most commonly encountered usage, today, apologetics is largely just engaging in the act of using sophistry to dodge and sidestep evidence that precludes Biblical inerrancy and it having accurate depictions of actual history. To echo chrisd's sentiment, if your position is so indefensible and conflicts with reality so much that you can only respond to challenges by becoming defensive and resorting to what aboutisms and semantic sophistry, it's not reality that's the problem.

[@Paul-n3c]

Same here, aware that apologetics is defined as a defence, but I always hear it as “i’m sorry, these are really bad arguments, but it’s the best we’ve got…”

[@NightmareRex6]

@@charleswajda-gotwals3690 yea if watch crion last golden web videos you will learn words ofton words have more than 1 meaning, or evenmore then 2 or 3 eta. appologistics means to defend the faith, to be an appoloship appologist, but you could also say, they are also appalagist, phoneticaly.

[@TC-ht9gl]

I wonder what Paul from 10 years ago would say if someone told him one day he'd collaborate with Satan to make a counter-apologetic KZbin video... 😅

[@Dr_Wrong]

"Get thee behind me"?

[@9891904317589]

@@Dr_Wrong "Well, the idea is to support you, yes..."

[@shadowwynd6641]

@@Dr_Wrongtechnically, in this video, Satan is behind Paul, so yes.

[@purplepedantry]

@@Dr_Wrong 'Oh, after you~' I see Mr Fell is still as polite as ever.

[@pesilaratnayake162]

I love this move towards the gospel being written by scribes, dictated by eyewitnesses (I guess with the exception of Luke). "Let me tell you a story about the saviour of humanity..." Several hours later... "Now translate that into Greek using various major elements of classic Greek literature and read it back to me." Of course, with Matthew there's also: "Here's one that's been prepared earlier (referring to Mark). Just add these stories, get rid of these ones, and make these changes for literary purposes." Awesome work, everyone! Very thorough and well researched.

[@morgaelyn]

The gospel was written using ChatGPT, you see.

[@happytofu5]

I imagine this being a google doc 😂

[@Mosz]

Famous contemporary preacher Todd Howard has clearly defined this philosophy as "it just works."

[@BrghtScorpio]

It's the Man, the Myth, the Venus Morning Star. 🤝🏽Satan

[@1AnimeChannel]

Morning Star was Lucifer, not Satan

[@BrghtScorpio]

@@1AnimeChannel I know I know, but it sounds cool though

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

😆😁😁

[@timbertome2443]

69th like. Nice 👌

[@1AnimeChannel]

@WS-dd8ow True

[@TomMSTie1138]

Using Star Wars to critique the Bible is both hilarious and accurate. The Disney+ series OBI-WAN KENOBI explaining how Vader "Killed" Anakin Skywalker is exactly like later biblical authors fixing the messianic prophecies.

[@NA-vz9ko]

It’s an especially fitting analogy because George Lucas changed his mind about Vader’s origin between films. In the original Star Wars, Obi Wan was being 100% truthful until Vader’s origin was retconned in the sequels to make things more dramatic and impactful. Just like how the original statements of Jesus in earlier stories were retconned and reinterpreted by Paul later.

[@TomMSTie1138]

@@NA-vz9ko indubitably.

[@John-Paris]

Thank you Paul for inviting the adversary to your channel and for your great work and teaching of the reality of religion

[@brandonwhitney7964]

I watched SGTTB when it first came out; I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t hoping this crossover would happen. Awesome job everyone involved!

[@Julian0101]

19:10 It is only me or is laughable how the only response apologists can present to how the experts dont agree with their personal interpretation is "who cares?"

[@Dr_Wrong]

Apologists : _"Fkk my eternal soul! I'll believe myself!"_

[@jbill190]

"Darn you Satan! Ignoring my specifically contrived subjective opinion and focusing on facts!"

[@jbill190]

7:41 "It's about a cumulative case; pieces of chain-mail working together." The thing about chain-mail is that each individual ring is made of strong metal and a lot of them can protect a larger area than an individual one ring, but the protection is still reliant on the strength of the steel. If you made chainmail out of rings that were made of something that wasn't as strong, like doughnuts for example, it wouldn't be strong and protective just because you had used lots and lots of doughnuts. In the same way, a lot of bad arguments don't magically Voltron themselves into a good argument.

[@Qlmmb2086]

@@jbill190 I'm going to start using "Many bad arguments don't Voltron into a good argument" when I encounter gish gallops in the future.

[@jbill190]

@@Qlmmb2086 I'm glad I could say something halfway intelligent today :D A good argument may be made of many individual pieces, but each piece needs to stand on it's own merit. From Innuendo Studios: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHyXg3uwg62Njrssi=aCqrhdFtzulMo3Ns "Understand that a dishonest argument is Lego; you haven't dismantled it until every single brick is separated. But an honest rebuttal? An honest rebuttal is Jenga."

[@l4dfanatic11]

@@Qlmmb2086 one i've borrowed from....shit it's either Matt Dillahunty or Aron Ra... "the plural of anecdote is not evidence"

[@Qlmmb2086]

@@l4dfanatic11 Nor is the plural of evidence evidences, and yet in appologetics circles...

[@RyanC232]

Satan's guide to the Bible was the easiest 2 hours I've ever spent. Better than most movies made these days

[@drlegendre]

I fully agree. But to be fair, that's a pretty low bar.

[@Benelicious27]

So true!

[@chet666]

Imagine being Inspiring Philosophy and constantly getting your back blown out like this in front of thousands of people and still not being able to recognize that you've wasted so much of your life on lies and nonsense.

[@savestheday6648]

^-Says the internet troll-^ As opposed to what you're doing with your life?

[@EclecticPerson]

@@savestheday6648 Well, whatever chet666 is doing, it isn't basing his life on the lies and nonsense of religion (i.e., ancient myths). So, Chet has got that going for him.

[@chet666]

@@savestheday6648 What am I doing with my life? Or are you pretending to know something you don't know?

[@melissalittle4369]

@@savestheday6648- Wouldn’t you be the troll? Did you not see the subject matter - why not just stop watching? Did you pay attention to the video? You didn’t say what you disagree with, why you disagree, and the evidence you rely on to form your opinion, just made an insulting remark to someone who hadn’t attacked you at all. If you don’t have any evidence beyond the discredited collection of books (in its many versions and with contradictory commentary from one version to the next) to support your argument, then don’t even start. What else do you have? I’m open to evidence as a former fully-indoctrinated Christian who stopped being one after reading the Bible cover-to-cover as an adolescent. Actually, it was clear it was the word of no god based on geological, paleontology, and archaeological evidence that contradicts Genesis. I kept reading and was dumbfounded and a little angry about what I’d been told about it and made to believe with misleading, “age-appropriate,” cherry-picked verses, like the pretty rainbow after the flood and god’s nice promise instead of the millions of plants, animals and insects killed by drowning, the desperation of all creatures to survive. No discussion of Noah’s drunkenness, how 8 people could repopulate the entire earth, or the dubiousness of taking the story literally. No discussion of Lot’s combo sons/grandsons conceived during drunken romps with his daughters or gathering penis parts of the enemy in order to win a bride. The New Testament is equally ridiculous, and Aesop’s fables are better guides for living. So, what besides the bible has you convinced that the information and claims in it are true?

[@ZRBx4]

@@melissalittle4369I’m pretty sure he was talking about “Inspiring Philosophy”. That is the channel that Satan and Paul…. Excuse me uh hum.. PAUL and Satan are reacting to.

[@utubepunk]

I love it how the apologists are forced to downplay events as depicted in the bible while simultaneously pretending it's no big deal, it just happened at a smaller scale. Their cognitive dissonance is palpable!

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

And by the exact same logic, "omnipotent" becomes "regional spirit with some power and a lot of ego".

[@hatuletoh]

"There's a lot of things we're not going to try to defend, like inerrancy." Good move.

[@seekingsomethingshamanic]

Ooo this video started sonething i swear, satans guide ive rewatched a milliom times. It deeply draws from the well of trauma the church did to me as a young boy. i also find it fascinating as most , in my opinion, have a childish sunday school versiion of the story. Diving deeper and deeper into this, i eventually hope someone also talks about the similiarities betweem paul( and other new testiment authors after pauls death) and the greater greek mythology of characters like dionysus. He even says the same quote "why do you kick against the goads" i can already till i will love this video, paul you truly bring the coolest guests on ever. And if you see this, thank you satan for one of the most cathartic videos ive ever witnessed in my deconversion journey. mush love yall

[@magepunk2376]

Trent calling Satan “The Devil” and mentioning “they use (gasp) *Bart Ehrman!*” I think is a subtle attempt at poisoning the well for his religious audience.

[@cwallcw]

Small point: “Aramaic” got written on screen as “Arabic” at 20:48

[@ps.2]

Yeah - clearly it's automatic transcription via speech recognition. A pretty impressive technology, IMO, but _not_ perfect, and I wish people who use this technology would do at least a bit of copyediting on it before rendering. Maybe that's just me. A few other errors: - 20:18 "Tepsius" → "Tertius" (Τέρτιος) - and no, the _p_ in the transcription isn't just a Greek _ρ._ (: - 22:02 "text collector" → "tax collector" …and tons of minor signs of automated captions, e.g.: - 20:04 "2nd century Christian author" → hyphenate "2nd-century" since it's used as a compound adjective. (In fairness, not all humans get that one right either.) - 20:30 "Greco Roman" → hyphenate "Greco-Roman." Humans do tend to get this one right, as "Greco" is not a word in its own right. - 20:32 "world were short, between a / hundred and a thousand words" → a human would have moved the line break before "between," and probably used the numerals 100 and 1,000: "world were short, / between 100 and 1,000 words." - 20:46 "lower class" → "lowest class" - 22:11 "Jesus death" → "Jesus's death" Individually these don't matter, but, at least to me, a little copyediting goes a long way!

[@AironExTv]

Thanks for pointing out this video. I checked it out right away, since I had time. That's quite a bunch of contradictions and weird stuff there. Regular church goers have a lot to chew through. We only have a one person in the family who is a believer. Passing it on when the dust from a recent passing has settled a bit more.

[@polaris_draws]

This video is an absolute treasure because we get to hear more of Satan's lovely voice. Also you know good arguments and critical thinking and all that, but his voice is very very nice on the ears.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Just so we know what we are talking about: Yahweh created all things, including the good angels, who later became bad angels led by Lucifer who became Satan. Yahweh ALLOWS Satan to roam freely doing things that go against God until God finally crushes Satan and finds out who the good people are at the Last Judgement. Rebuttal: There is no God. There are no good and bad angels. There is no Satan. There is only humans who don't want to be responsible, making up stories to escape reality.

[@catelynh1020]

Rebuttal to rebuttal (as devil's advocate): God is real. God created things knowing they'd go bad. Bible says that a tree bearing even a single bad fruit is not a good tree. Therefore god is evil and cannot be good. Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[@PeteOtton]

I'd say that about sums it up, yes.

[@jalenpadilla7744]

When raising a child, maybe one of the best questions to ask them often is: “are you sure?” Or “how do you know that?” Take the earliest opportunity to plant in their mind a seed of healthy skepticism and the desire to find out whether they should believe something they are told. When I was young I asked my pastor how he knows that heaven is a beautiful place and he said “because the Bible said so.” That answer always bothered me but I couldn’t decide WHY until I got older.

[@amateuroverlord8007]

It’s crazy how excited I was to click on this.

[@SouthernMenace]

The thinly-veiled desperation and condescension in the theist commentary in that video is just so delicious. There's no "there" there, folks, but they will try to handwave things away.

[@chadb9270]

The statement I have 1 million things to do today is literally true. My body is currently and willfully carrying out hundreds of trillions of chemical reactions that are currently keeping me alive. In every single one of my 37 trillion cells this is happening.

[@riseofdarkleela]

Only a million things to do would be so relaxing!

[@dolfuny]

I was literally thinking this. You can have a million things to do in a day depending how you define things

[@frank_calvert]

youd be a good apologist lol

[@supasf]

Couldn't think of a more reddit tier remark

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

My favorite *thing about Satan is how christians just straight up made him up; which is to say that the Satan of the Hebrews was nothing like the fallen angel/devil character that christians see wherever they choose to look for it

[@Muhluri]

I have to admit: creating a common enemy to fight against is pretty smart

[@Merrick]

Satan often gets conflated with the snake in genesis, and the dragon in revelation. Even though they are three different characters.

[@incantrix1337]

(it's all made up)

[@soarel325]

I think it's more the same word being used for different characters. "Satan" just means "adversary", it's a title not a name. Both the servant of God appearing in Job and the ultimate-evil figure in the New Testament are simply titled "the adversary"

[@AnyProofOfTheseClaims]

Had to scare the common riff raff enough to keep them coming back and giving you their money.

[@lexarthestrongest1]

Great video Paul, keep it up!

[@hailsagan8886]

Oh Christians. The only thing worse than having an imaginary friend is having an imaginary enemy

[@gibbobux1033]

​@Nonexistent5789 i think you came to the wrong place, only christians will fall for the "trust me", "there were 300 eye witnesses", etc.

[@bignoob1790]

A bout every ideology creates a villian made from straw

[@giantmastersword]

I mean... politicians make false enemies professionally. ... which is ironic since the Old Testament lucifer is literally god's defense attourney- his politician

[@theboombody]

What about imaginary numbers?

[@ramigilneas9274]

Apologists are professional cherrypicker. Even an above average Apologist like IP peddles so much fringe nonsense based on tiny cherrypicked parts of studies that disagree with his conclusions.

[@martin2289]

IP's unearned smugness is almost as insufferable as his tortured excusology.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@martin2289 He is hiding behind a wall of studies, papers and books of scholars and scientists that he read. None of those sources agree with his outlandish conclusions… but to demonstrate that you would have to get access to those sources and read them yourself. Not really something that I would do as a hobby… but other people did… and his audience simply didn’t care that he misrepresents the studies.

[@bignoob1790]

A lot of you guys have it in for Michael Jones, he seems like a nice guy to me, he would probably make fun of some of my views too

[@the-outsider8458]

This perfectly exemplifies one of my biggest hurdles with listening to apologists. They ignore honest criticisms and rely heavily on acceptance as the foundation for belief. I can't accept something that doesn't make sense. As their special pleading throws logic and consistency out the window, that basically says I'm screwed. That's just not how my mind works. According to their religions I'm destined for an eternity of torture due to that personal inability. Please thank your omni-benevolent god for me

[@bignoob1790]

I'm a Christian, I Don't believe that atheists are being boiled in a lake of fire or are being physically tortured Neither do most non fundamentalists

[@EclecticPerson]

Fortunately for you, it's all nonsense.

[@the-outsider8458]

@@EclecticPerson To date, that continues to be my conclusion. But I come from a large family, 6 siblings, 15 blood aunts and uncles, dozens of cousins and a dozen nieces and nephews. Aside from one brother who's come to the same conclusion, they're all, to a name, uber religious. I keep trying to see things from their side, but I can't get myself to disregard logic in favor of wishes hopes and fantasy. Which appears to be a prerequisite.

[@bignoob1790]

@the-outsider8458 I would say that there is a logical reason that the majority of humanity believes in a higher power, that goes beyond just tradition or fear of death. I would recommend maybe examining the more mystical side of things Maybe even challenge some of the modern myths you hold sacred

[@the-outsider8458]

@@bignoob1790 do I hold myths sacred? I may accept some myths that I'm not conscious I do, but I don't hold anything sacred. And I think you missed the part where I mentioned being unable to "disregard logic in favor of wishes, hopes, and fantasies"

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

Fundamentalists arbitrarily decide what’s literal or figurative in the Bible when it’s inconvenient for them.

[@goldenalt3166]

Just like Jesus did.

[@Dr_Wrong]

Yeah, my Eternal Soul isn't worth having to study _that_ hard..

[@goldenalt3166]

@@Dr_Wrong i don't really have 2000 years to come to a conclusion that half the christians think isn't even valid.

[@ElusiveEel]

Oh it's not arbitrary - if it's been falsified it's figurative, it it's not falsified it's literal. Simple and objective!

[@goldenalt3166]

@@ElusiveEel except those that think falsified means a conspiracy to deny God.

[@progmetalkd]

I love that Paul put muscles on Satan, knowing that apologists hate that

[@martin2289]

Do they though? Seems to be more than a little ambivalence when it comes to their relationship with the Prince of Darkness, et. al.

[@randallbesch2424]

You mean Shaitan the archangel Sama-el.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@martin2289 Prince of Light Bringer.

[@jimjarnagin5344]

Thanks for the link to the movie! I've been following Ehrman for years but only recently discovered your channel. Good work, I love it!!! ❤🤣

[@bigmax4564]

I was converted from the pulpit, coming to believe that the bible was the perfect word of god. Then I read the book and gradually lost my faith as the inconsistencies and issues with historical timelines stacked up. These were not taught from the pulpit, just as Satan's video suggests. I have always wondered why Jesus didn't come and write the flawless word of god for us humans. That would have led to absolutely no need for apologetics .....

[@estebanaguirre965]

Reading the bible is the number 1 cause for atheism

[@bignoob1790]

Maybe Jesus wanted disciples who would dive deep into his teachings He who has ears let him hear

[@bigmax4564]

@@bignoob1790 maybe, but then again, if he had done that, Paul wouldn't have been able to change Christianity away from the purely Jewish version that JC had in mind. God the almighty relies in infallible humans to right down his message 2,000 years ago ...? Was hidden then just as he is now.

[@Wasteofenlightment104]

All angels knew God existed but still 1/3 rebelled a human's will to find God is a sign of good

[@bignoob1790]

@paulsparks4564 I would say that it was the plan from the beginning Ie through Abraham, all nations will be blessed, so from Abraham's seed came the messiah to save the world Not to mention John 3:16 which isn't paul

[@captainnewbi2410]

today I learned that Matthew was not a tax collector but a text collector

[@bt5029]

Apologists are like Trump attorneys. They know he is guilty but have to do the best job they can while their client never shows up

[@justice8718]

You have never disproven a single biblical story and its awareness of the future. And instead end up with more evidence that it’s right and you are wrong. But that eats you up inside.

[@greglogan7706]

​@@justice8718 Desperation detected...😢

[@justice8718]

@@greglogan7706 Look at the world right now. It’s becoming and working like how Christ describes it over 2000 years ago.

[@rodomolina7995]

​@@justice8718 Did you at least watch the video? Disproving a biblical story is literally the first thing they made

[@njhoepner]

@@justice8718 Yes, all that ultra-specific "there will be wars and rumors of wars...nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom...there will be famines and earthquakes in various places..." blah blah blah...a "prophecy" that would fit perfectly in any time and any place in the past ten thousand years. Not impressed.

[@gentle_yoga]

Sending love to Paulogia and Satan's Guide! Fascinating and satisfying to see this discussion grow, expand and draw in more participants.

[@theisticatheist2983]

Enjoying this! I mentally deconverted from religion well over a decade ago. But, sometimes educating kids in the truth can have an opposite effect. In the early 1970s, my mainline Protestant minister taught that the early chapters of Genesis were mythology and exposed the JEDP theory (aka Documentary Hypothesis) to a class of us 11-12 year olds. I absolutely (if not vocally) rebelled against it. This just couldn't be true, grownup scholarship be damned! I may have been the outlier in that class (most didn't care, I suspect), but I remained fixed in a kind of non-fundamentalist but very conservative Christian mindset well into early middle age. I suspect a few Bible scholars at accredited Evangelical Institutions fit this category as well. Education helps. It's important. But it isn't everything. Emotion is just as big a component, maybe bigger. There is a strong emotional incentive to believe in some kids -- just as there is a strong emotional motivation in other kids to be convinced it's all hogwash. Not sure what the solution is but to allow for the gradual devolution of religion over generations. Probably what's going on in parts of Western Europe. Channels like this certainly help. Thanks, Paul!

[@Kevin_Williamson]

I once had a long discussion with an Episcopalian priest who told me he couldn't teach what he learned in seminary from the pulpit. He said that if he did that, the parishioners would get up and leave. They didn't so much want to hear what was true as much as they wanted to hear what was comforting and familiar. Something which, at least in part, is why many clergy end up leaving the church (and many more stay and play the game because that job is all they know how to do).

[@letefte]

I like it when counter-apologetics people like Paul or the Prince of Darkness expose liars, formerly known as apologists, like Michael “Short-round” Jones and Mike “Giggle” Winger. I like it even more when said liars also appear to be very butt-hurt because they were exposed.

[@bignoob1790]

@@letefte Calling them liars is kinda bad faith,

[@letefte]

@@bignoob1790 It might seem that way and yet I haven’t encountered a single apologist who did not lie at one point or another.

[@shassett79]

I'm always baffled when someone asks something like, "why didn't this account of the most important event in Christianity contain what seems like one of the most important details?" and apologists just shout _aRgUmEnt fRoM sIlEncE!!1!_ like they've made a compelling point.

[@tiltingwindmill]

This is one of ~my favorite~ responses to the original Satan's Guide from the very 'Too-Long/Don't-Watch' {TL/DW} during those three apologists' stream.

[@LegendOfKitty]

Paul, this made my day. Thank you, Satan, for joining. You guys make a fantastic team. I saw that original documentary and loved it and I'm so glad the both of you talked about it here!! The world needs more content with you two working as a team!!

[@LegendofMatt]

This channel is so underrated!

[@tbstoller]

One of the apologists referenced my Bible prof from more than 40 years ago, James Hoffmeier! Apparently he’s a Biblical archaeologist.

[@PeteOtton]

I wonder how much he has actually set the field of archaeology back with his forcing his view on things?

[@billdecompsa4705]

I mean, the man is an archaeologist and an Old Testament scholar.

[@alwayslearningtech]

I actually used to have respect for inspiring philosophy because I thought he was actually taking the topics seriously and thinking about them. I didn't agree with him, but I thought he was honest. From the videos I've seen of him lately, I no longer hold that view of him. He might be genuine, but he's definitely not thinking critically or taking them seriously.

[@robynsnest8668]

My one complaint about your guest is him not asking where did the "Father of lies" ever actually lie? He didn't. Ever.

[@Ninishiningleaf]

The real lyer was yayweh saying he's giving the whole land to the isrealites. 2000 plus years later and it still has not happened.

[@JGM0JGM]

I'm shocked! Bible apologists would make pretzels with their brain so as to keep their faith "rational"? Who would've thunk!

[@bignoob1790]

@@JGM0JGM I wish I could do that I could use a soft pretzel right now

[@josephsager9425]

I loved the video so much that I sent it to my mom, who has been attending Bible study lately. However, she kinda refused to watch it "because Satan."

[@dkylekelly]

One of the breaking points for my faith was the realization that if the bible is truly inerrant but can only be understood through the machinations of the apologists, that makes it incomprehensible, at least for me. And what use is it to have a perfect book that is also inscrutable?

[@bignoob1790]

@dkylekelly Please scrutinize it, Read it trying to understand the underlying lessons in the stories Try to find the ancient wisdom

[@dkylekelly]

@@bignoob1790 If you are saying that the Bible has some wisdom in it, I agree. But it is not a perfect book. And much of what it teaches is wrong factually and morally.

[@spitfire184]

I've been waiting years for you to get Satan on the channel. Nice work!

[@acebailey2478]

The Kingdom of Heaven coming, being interpreted as a some folks talking about Jesus, is the lamest Kingdom ever.

[@estebanaguirre965]

like i have made some Jesus guys come before, it's nowhere near a kingdom i would say

[@bignoob1790]

The kingdom of heaven is here my friend There is some hidden wisdom to find

[@estebanaguirre965]

@@bignoob1790 maybe the kingdom of heaven is the friends we make along the way

[@bignoob1790]

@estebanaguirre965 I would say that is partially true The spirit of the Law is to love God and Love your neighbor

[@estebanaguirre965]

@@bignoob1790 which god tho? Zeus? I'm not super sure I want that dude loving me anytime soon :/

[@VideoMatoran]

Satan's guide to the bible is essentially my new comfort movie. I always had fun watching not only the depictions of biblical myths, but also the interactions of characters as well. Oh and the pointing out of major, skipped parts of bible lore that's just so darn damning. One thing I have notices is how little role (actually, basically none) the devil has. According to some jewish sources, the devil is in fact a christian incention, with angels being unable to turn against Mr. Yahweh himself. Satan was used in two ways. One denotes a title held by certain angel(s) in a court setting, as the prosecution of Y-man's court. While the book of Job inhabits the third section of the hebrew bible, the Ketuvim, not considered by its authors and judaic believers to be history, hence Ketuvim meaning "writings", as in literature, it displays the job the Satan has as Job is put on trial by the assumption that Job's faith is nothing more than a result of a rich, prosperous life. The other is one man calling another by the name in conflict. I am yet to get past exodus, but i am surprised just how easy it is to disprove the religious dogmas of the most widespread abrahamic religion, by dissecting its devil.

[@estebanaguirre965]

I'm so sad I can't find a documentary I saw years ago that explained the origin of the devil, alongside the figure of Satan, the inception of Lucifer into the Vulgate by st Jerome... that documentary crushed all my lingering fears I was left when deconverting... The little comfort of knowing I have just been lied to by nothing but fanfiction. There are many videos on the youtube channel ReligionForBreakfast that talks about the origin of the devil figure if you're interested btw

[@DonnieHanby]

Man, the sheer amount of mental gymnastics that some of the apologetics have to do makes ME tired.

[@seriphim84]

Love this video. Almost as much as the guide itself

[@duncanidaho8234]

I always enjoy the “they dictated” response to the illiteracy problem. So dirt poor fishermen who had given away their few possessions to follow a wandering preacher suddenly have the resources to hire scribes who can translate peasant Aramaic into clerical Greek. Changing from one highly unlikely story to another highly unlikely story is not helping in the way they think it is.

[@jaskitstepkit7153]

They had rich friends .

[@duncanidaho8234]

@@jaskitstepkit7153 Provide a single piece of evidence that makes that make sense. Postulating that rich people with access to Greek scribes spent time with illiterate fishermen and gifted them the equivalent of tens of thousands of dollars in expert time without demanding to be credited in the book produced as a result is just as unlikely as the “learned Greek myself” story.

[@jaskitstepkit7153]

@@duncanidaho8234 Paul mentioned how the movement had rich Greek and Jewish patrons. The letter to Philemon is directed to such a patron. The gospel narratives show a lot of rich people revered Jesus and his ministry. The names Luke and Mark appear in Paul's letters as his co-workers.

[@duncanidaho8234]

@@jaskitstepkit7153 See how you are proving my point? The patrons are mentioned in your explanation. Are they mentioned in the gospels? How many of the 12 did Paul meet? How many of the 12 are claimed as joining Paul’s church? Thanks for supporting my argument.

[@bignoob1790]

@duncanidaho8234 That actually makes sense, why Paul wrote most of the new testament Peter had Mark probably write for him Luke was a doctor And Matthew was literate being a tax collector

[@dethspud]

Was so hoping for this! My athiest prayers have been answered! 😊

[@meghaffer]

"It paid my felt heart" brought me back to all those felt board lessons i had forgotten about

[@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00]

Oh sure, that bit in Exodus is just a bit of hyperbole, but a magical resurrection? That TOTALLY happened! Gimme a break

[@missamyw3806]

Best collaboration I've see in a long time. I can't believe you got to do a video with Satan. Keep spreading the inaccuracies of the bible.

[@UnKnown-xs7jt]

Love this & your content!!

[@acerx203]

I love how panicked the christian apologists are. It's almost like they have been lying for decades and it is coming back on them.

[@skywise001]

Saitan sounds so smooth and rich. Perfect. More crossovers! Inerrant. Without Error.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

"A teeny tiny exodus is no exodus. It's an escape". Lol.

[@randallbesch2424]

Jews were not captives in Egypt.

[@ferragusslackwyrm]

This is awesome I'm so glad got Satan to actually appear in your video. Thanks Paul you're the best. I loved "Satan's" video when I saw it.

[@1chuck23]

As a Bible college drop/kickout (weed!) I honestly never looked back. Ironically, put weed on hold for 5 years as I honorably served my country as a paratrooper and receiving an AARCOM for military intelligence amongst other things and when being an Army lifer got cut short because of being med-boarded, I was forced to retire at 24. Living in the Philippines on a tropical Island with a PS5, gorgeous wife, and zero responsibility (until I get her pregnant), I have no regrets. Religion did literally nothing for me.

[@physnoct]

At 4:25, "When errant words need fixing, interpretations got to do the fixing" That needs its own gingle!

[@infinite_array]

Exploring Reality really needs to see someone about his shoulders and neck.

[@NotTooStraight]

I’ve always found the idea that you can’t read the Bible at face value kind of self defeating. Like a holy book that really if it was true shouldn’t require you to second guess it’s teaching, “requires” you to look deeper than what it says? Now you don’t know what’s true and what’s “nuanced.” And that’s not even considering the problem that it only _becomes_ nuanced when someone questions it, otherwise it’s truth.

[@DC_Prox]

Yet another collection of stunning examples of the apologist tendency to start with your conclusions and work your way backwards. They started with two main conclusions: 1) the Bible is inerrant, 2) the video they're responding to is from an Outsider/Enemy, and is therefore wrong by default. Then they engaged in their usual motivated reasoning and stock fallacies to dodge all the legitimate problems and land at the conclusions they already laid out. The reason I find it so annoying is that they think they're engaging in scholarly criticism, when it's essentially a massive circle jerk.

[@bignoob1790]

@@DC_Prox I would focus on the message of Jesus first, then work out the other stuff later

[@DC_Prox]

@@bignoob1790 first of all, that's basically a non sequitur, you completely ignored the point and spewed a cliche from a sermon. second, you don't know what Jesus said. you have a number of second-hand and third-hand accounts of some things Jesus may have said, some of which contradict each other when comparing the accounts, and nearly all of which can be molded and interpreted in just about any way you want to, so what you've said here is essentially meaningless.

[@davidhoffman6980]

@0:41 onward you lay out a big reason for your deconversion. That didn't happen to me exactly, but something similar did. When I was struggling with doubt after first discovering biblical contradictions I mentioned it to my father. He got angry and told me that people had always been alledging the Bible had contradictions in it. I was 26 and despite my parents raising me as an evangelical, young earth creationist, and being taught some apologetics (my parents had books and tapes by Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsay, C.S. Lewis, etc.) this was the first I'd ever heard that. And my Dad taught us from an early age that it's not enough to do no wrong; we must also avoid even the appearance of wrong (1st Thessalonians 5:22). And yet he knew the whole time that the Bible had alledged contradictions in it but never let me know. I felt betrayed and it bothered me for many years.

[@mastermachetier5594]

You really do have a special channel man . Love the content .

[@robertdullnig3625]

It seems like these apologists missed the point: Cartoon Satan isn't saying no Christian has thought about these things and come up with responses to them ever, just that they are often not taught or discussed in actual evangelical, fundamentalist congregations.

[@EclecticPerson]

Not just that, by theological leaders' not raising these issues at all, to their congregations, the congregations can't see for themselves how weak the responses to these points are, from the apologists (now and in the past). Undoubtedly, many people, if they knew everything that, say, Paulogia knows now (based on Paul's in-depth study, analysis, and thought about the issues, as an adult, in recent years), they would come to the same conclusion that Paul has now arrived at. That is, that it's all just made-up stories.....

[@Acidfunkish]

I just found this! Satan's Guide is one of my top favourite vids to exist on KZbin, and especially of the past few years. ❤️

[@BobPearson-zr1mi]

Yes sir. Inspired by God to confuse the hell out of everyone.

[@Zombie_Apocalypse]

The mental gymnastics are absolutely hilarious. Thank you!

[@swolejeezy2603]

It seems elitist the way these KZbinrs seem to have no issue with billions of believers thinking the Bible story of the Exodus, etc. really happened, while they get to have a more nuanced enlightened view

[@RoninTF2011]

Your point is?

[@axelignite9916]

19:30 I feel like there's a monty python and the holy grail joke here somewhere but i don't quite have that scene memorized.

[@johnnehrich9601]

Suffering under a heat wave right now but all their spinning is helping to cool things down. Thanks.

[@JuanMoreOnce]

We need the panelists to publish a set of criteria for determining which parts of the Bible should be taken literally and which shouldn't be. How are we to know what is baby and what is bath water?

[@bignoob1790]

@@JuanMoreOnce When Jesus says he is the door, don't take that literally

[@RCGamex]

Why is it that most apologetics ultimately come to a point of ‘trust me bro’

[@EclecticPerson]

Apologists are ultimately left with "I believe because I want to believe [despite the problems]." That's assuming they actually address the problems with Christianity honestly and with decent critical thinking skills.

[@eacalvert]

The cross over I didn't know I needed!