A Historian Explains the Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus? (Dr. Gary Habermas Response)

[@MrShigura]

Yeah well, I’m writing a book debunking Gary’s book, the title page alone of which is 6.3 billion pages. It’s not done though, should be out some time in late December, 2309.

[@normandybeach9230]

Just in time for Chistmas! 🤪

[@fecxorfecxor768]

Oh my god this made me lol 😂

[@SamPendleton]

I memorized the exact page count during an out-of-body experience.

[@plasmaballin]

That's nothing compared to my infinity-page refutation of your book. It contains every possible sequence of English characters, so the refutation to all of your arguments is in there somewhere!

[@anikmonette2140]

Well, we have a neverending pandemic so I have plenty of time (if you release it chapter by chapter of course)!

[@KneedleKnees]

This morning I found myself thinking "a new Paulogia video should be coming out today". Love the channel and look forward to new content every week. You rock Paul!

[@davidfrisken1617]

Prophecy!

[@tompaine4044]

@@davidfrisken1617 I saw it, too! Quick, let's both write this down. How many people do you think saw this post and can be namelessly given for corroboration? About 500, do you think?

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Right off the bat Dr. Gary unwittingly nails it: If only god would provide "new material".

[@dabebaby87]

You literally are the greatest! I get so happy when you publish a video! Thank you so much Paul!! ♥️

[@Paulogia]

Thanks, LHM! You made me feel warm.

[@wheels5894]

I wonder what Habermas means by 'research'... There has not been anything new in the story in the last 100 years. Nothing has been dug up that affects the story of the resurrection. So what is the research he has been doing? So far as I can see from watching this interview it involves taking each point and wording it as carefully as possible and coming up with reason why it must be true. In the end it all comes down to whether anyone accepts the bible story since that is all there is. Repetitions do not help. The comparison with Elvis is a case in point. Even in or own day, people think that Elvis did not die or if he did they still see him. To most of us that sounds crazy... but somehow something just the same 2,000 years ago seems somehow different? I also thought of Area 51 which within a very short time had people believing that aliens had landed - and they still think so today. In either case, 20 years after the events is still a long time! In the end it all comes down to who can make the events look most believable. It is not so much research as polishing since there is nothing new to make any difference. This is not academic work but the work of the preacher. Likely, to, it is just as bad.

[@davidfrisken1617]

He is a bit of an idiot. idiots are not meant to make sense.

[@Wistful77]

"... most believable." Good one. Because truth is just belief.

[@shriggs55]

Yeah,right?

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

"I wonder what Habermas means by 'research'... There has not been anything new in the story in the last 100 years." He's been searching for the one convincing argument for Jesus historicity in the bible and searched again and again and again... he re-searched so often he needed multiple bibles to do so...

[@chrispitchforth621]

5,000-page book, let's hope it doesn't take as long as the second coming.

[@tompaine4044]

"I believe with a full heart in the coming of the [research], and even though he may tarry I will still wait for him" - Maimonides

[@Noproblemos]

Think of the poor Trees :'(

[@kevinshort3943]

Would that be the second coming that was to happen within the life times of some of the disciples?

[@chrispitchforth621]

@@kevinshort3943 that's the one. I'm totally holding my breath for that.

[@Scyllax]

Or “Answered Prayers”.

[@helenaconstantine]

I just searched the entire content of the Harvard Theological Review for Habermas, it returned 11 results, mostly related to preaching style. At The Journal of Biblical Literature, Habermas had ten hits (in comparison, my own Doktorvater, a rather obscure figure, had 977 hits), in even more miscellaneous articles (in fact several were notices of book publications and not proper citations). In neither journal did he have his own article. Habermas is not an important scholar. It would be better to ignore him.

[@markdichter]

He teaches at Liberty University, the one Jerry Falwell started.

[@BigHeretic]

*Helena Constantine* That came across loud and clear in the video.

[@shriggs55]

In my experience,it doesn't take much in Christian circles to be considered and "important scholar".They want so desperately for their fantasies and magical thinking to be confirmed that they often will except anybody that looks authoritative.Anybody that can provide "evidence"that Santa Clause is real.

[@jacoblee5796]

@Jospeph Riggs I agree, they seem willing to take anybody that can formulate a sentence. Its a joke.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

'It's a true story. It happened to a friend of a friend of mine...'

[@MrGreensweightHist]

George Washington died in 1799 A minister/bookseller, started the Cherry Tree story in 1800 and published it by 1806. That is just an example of how fast false information can pop up.

[@JohnnyDrivebye]

Awesome work as always Paul! I don’t know about you or anyone else for that matter. But when I see the bias in other people leading them to bad conclusions it makes me look even harder at my bias. I just don’t feel like I’m any different than any other human. So I must becoming to some bad conclusions. Right? Cheers mate.

[@pansepot1490]

Me too. 😁

[@TheRealShrike]

@@pansepot1490 Me Three. I strive hard to eliminate bias or at least recognize it in my own thinking.

[@darthgorthaur258]

Oh my days I just got a "one for Israel" advert on your channel...

[@timhallas4275]

The most interesting stories is the one where one of the disciples didn't recognize Jesus, when he saw him. I don't recall which one that was, but it suggests that Jesus had a different body after he died??

[@yadabub]

Almost as though it wasn't actually Jesus at all....

[@timhallas4275]

@@yadabub an imposter? or maybe this whole story is just fiction...hmmm.

[@Doublebasist]

Great video, very clear and understandable. Great work.

[@willbyrob6582]

Neil deGrasse Tyson has a video on NDEs. I would recommend that you check that out Paul.

[@jamesdondo2689]

excellent presentation! thank you!

[@Relayer1974]

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[@thehumanistisin9924]

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[@stylis666]

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[@tompaine4044]

I support Pureflix giving money to Paul. It makes me smile inside to think of Ken Ham's funds making their way circuitously into Paul's pockets. You know what? Now that I think about it, it makes me smile on the outside, too. 😈

[@thehumanistisin9924]

@@tompaine4044 is that you, the writer of Common Sense?

[@tompaine4044]

@@thehumanistisin9924 I figured around here the name would be more easily connected with The Age of Reason: My intention is to show that those books are spurious, and that Moses is not the author of them; and still further, that they were not written in the time of Moses, nor till several hundred years afterward; that they are no other than an attempted history of the life of Moses, and of the times in which he is said to have lived, and also of the times prior thereto, written by some very ignorant and stupid pretenders to authorship, several hundred years after the death of Moses. [...] The books called the Evangelists, and ascribed to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; ...they have been manufactured, as the books of the Old Testament have been by other persons than those whose names they bear. [...] Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man. No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it. 😋 www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/

[@txvoltaire]

When I was in the hospital, I had an out-of-mind experience!

[@flexydex8754]

we should form a religion around that

[@Amateur0Visionary]

I had a similar experience. Though my body was shutting down at a much slower pace. I was completely psychotic for about 3 days (by "psychotic", i mean the medical definition of losing grasp of reality). Time absolutely was gone. I lived through hundreds of thousands of years. I watched humanity destroy itself and rebuild. I went through multiple intertwined "storylines". The sights and sounds of the real world merged with my hallucinations and delusions. It was amazing and terrifying. I was tortured as a POW in SE Asia. I was forcibly used as a drug mule. I was a dead body on a bed being cleaned. I was an AI that was frustrated because my interface with the real world was so slow. I still have VERY mild PTSD from that.

[@Lady8D]

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[@harrypothead42024]

The book is never ever ever going to happen, he cannot figure out the linguistic acrobatics required to hide the fact that, the evidence he has already claimed to possess does not exist, could not exist, has never existed.

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

I once had codeine and saw a play from the ceiling. I don't think I had an out of body experience; I think codeine does strange things to the brain which alters perceptions.

[@areyoujelton]

The real question we need to be asking is why an all-knowing, all-powerful god would create a problem that would then require said god to self-sacrifice itself in human form to learn how to forgive.

[@azmahaneejohari7255]

Thank you Paulogia for great videos.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

2:47 "And I'm almost never asked how do you know this facts are true" I've 150 pages of people doing just that.

[@stephentoons]

blessed are the ones who believe without seeing

[@kenbee1957]

Dr. Habermas: *Embarks on author career Paulogia: "I'm about to wait until this man embarks on his career so I can end the whole of it"

[@billmelaterplease]

Has it been published yet?

[@rickelmonoggin]

Habermass on Near Death Experiences: "I'm making up what they might have said.." Yah don't say, Garry!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

"Habermas is a Distinguished Research Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy and chairman of the department of philosophy at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. He holds a Doctor of Philosophy degree (1976) from Michigan State University in history and philosophy of religion and a master's degree (1973) from the University of Detroit in philosophical theology. He has specialized in cataloging and communicating trends among scholars in the field of historical Jesus and New Testament studies." Wikipedia My comment: I read the Biblical account same as Dr. Gary of a dead Jesus' reanimating his body and I wondered what difference it made in my life. No difference.

[@andrewstoddard6717]

You could have read a different book in that time.

[@facted4243]

You know what, fuck it, I will grant that jesus rose from the dead. How does that prove gods exists? Does anyone coming back from the dead equal gods, or just this one?

[@AccidentalNinja]

How about a middle point: Jesus was dumped in a mass grave & it was empty when people next looked in it. Now debate whether it was a new mass grave & Jesus's was the only body that had been put in there or whether God resurrected everyone who had been dumped there.

[@bodan1196]

Twenty years ago, Facebook didn't exist... KZbin didn't exist... MILLIONS of people were not alive twenty years ago, millions were. How many books have George R.R. Martin written in twenty years? How long did it take to write the Bible? A LOT can happen in twenty years, even more will not.

[@ksbrst2010]

Well in the greek world the Resurrection was the main Identification of a half god. You mainly needed a vanished Corps.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

So from the argument made by Gary Habermas, and extrapolating the same logic..... We can assert, with a degree of certainty, that Elvis, The King, will be worshiped as a deity or the son of a deity in 300-1000 years from now. People have claimed to see him alive - after he was found dead, and people that know people that claimed to have seen him alive - believe them. So therefore - it _must_ be true! because, why would they lie???

[@spectrepar2458]

On the NDEs and personal experiences at best these argue some form of polytheism because it’s not just Christians that get them. And i can find biblical scholars that would say you have no immaterial soul to float away but rather are your brain and are simply resurrected at a later time and this consciousness goes down with the brain

[@Diggnuts]

I suspect that the research gone into finding numbers being uttered in movie scripts takes more effort than dreaming up convoluted arguments supporting the unoriginal miracles of some non-existent Jewish hippy.

[@wbalvanz]

Kinda sounds like the Chris Langen thing for the past few years

[@BernicePanders]

It's quite simple, these religious people fixate on an afterlife because they're terrified of death! I'm as experienced in this as it gets, being born & indoctrinated by religious obsessed, bible-literalist family, homeschooled & sheltered from the real world & facts until I was an adult. I experienced my first of 2 NDEs at 27, with total renal failure & massive heart failure, where I was medically dead for over an hour, before anyone even found me to start CPR, after which time I was put in a medical coma for 6 weeks. What I experienced not only put me well on my way to deconversion, but that once I described what I went through, nobody in my family or the church I had attended occasionally prior to the heart failure, wanted to discuss it, hear about it, or answer any questions. Setting aside how stressful & mentally harmful it is to go through being clinically dead twice, and experiencing nowhere near what my christian family had brainwashed me to believe, it's just as maddening & degrading to be trapped in a conservative, whitewashed, religious small town, a huge religious family who now ignores my existence, and have nobody to talk to or lean on for support. I feel like I'm losing my mind, that maybe somewhere along the line, I ended up in a bizarre version of hell or purgatory, where I know I'm correct in what I believe now & I know more about reality & the rest of the world than most of my family all together, I am still constantly scoffed & laughed at. They treat me like a crazy lost cause, not supported in any way (physically, emotionally, financially, etc) by my own healthy, middle class parents, siblings, grandparents, with everything getting worse & worse for a decade now, no end in sight & not a damn thing left that I can do about it... And I love it when all these medically ignorant idiots make up these stories of people (like that kid who made up the story of dying in a simple appendix removal) somehow seeing something above their bodies while STILL ALIVE & just being in a surgical procedure!! Since when do you DIE in a simple surgery & stay dead long enough, with no artificial heart or breathing control by all the medical staff, to actually go to heaven??

[@DutchJoan]

Every now and then I vere up and hope that someone actually has credible evidence that could validate faith. But I always feel underwhelmed when I hear what they have to say. I find it harder and harder to stay open for the next one who comes along. It's like apologetics are to keep the sheep in the flock but not to bring new ones in.

[@Paulogia]

Crying wolf, so to speak.

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

Now it's up to 8, or 10, or 22, evidences and 5,000 pages of hot steamy apologetic shit. And they say a child could understand! Reminds me of WLC's 300+ page book explaining his two premises in the KCA. Ha!

[@Limited_Light]

My resurrection belief led to worshipping Vishnu.

[@stevenfeduk4833]

17:00 Hard to nail that evidence for Jesus.

[@Lauren_P_]

“There’s not another world from which Jesus was a strange visitor to this planet.” 11:01 Jesus was an alien?

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

The notion that crucifixion victims were bodily buried is pretty far fetched. The most common scenario would be for the body to be left on the cross until it had been picked clean by scavengers and whatever was left may or may not have been buried in mass graves. They were not taken down from their crosses as soon as they were dead, the humiliation of being bodily desecrated was an important part of the crucifixion ritual, as was just the lack of a timely burial or even a burial at all. The empty tomb stories are entirely dependent on the unevidenced claim that there ever was a body in a tomb in the first place. Allowing a crucifixion victim's body to be taken down as soon as death occurred and properly buried would negate the whole purpose of the crucifixion. Jesus wouldn't have been anyone special to the Romans to be afforded such contradictory treatment. By the time the canonical gospels were written the view of Paul and others that the resurrection had been into a divinely created ethereal body had morphed into a more earthly notion of bodily resurrection so stories that preserved the body of the Jesus character had to be concocted.

[@kevindavis5966]

BS on the hospital ventilator number. Having spent my career in hospitals, they don't put their inventory numbers on the top where they need a ladder to get to them, they put them on the side so they can easily access them for inventories. If the woman had OCD, she memorized the number at eye-level in her bed. Easy to do with most inventory plate placements on equipment.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Considering it all came from someone's arse, who knows if there is any basis at all, to any of it.

[@BigHeretic]

*Kevin Davis* Indeed, this anecdote doesn't pass GO - another hole is the nurse who "saw the number as the machine was being removed" ....was she on a ladder at the time. It's all ridiculous, just another shaggy dog story.

[@tompaine4044]

If NDEs are real, that's big news because it means quantum field theory is at best incomplete. Nobel Prize in physics incoming! Or, ya know, they're mistaken.

[@Zeupater]

This sounds like a variation on a relatively common story of a patient during surgery rising up above the operating table and seeing a piece of paper on top of a cabinet.

[@bitcores]

This is absolutely true for any business. Numbers are put where you can read them, because when you're doing inventory you want to be able to easily locate and read them. But a question to Kevin Davis, if you read the article Paul had on screen it says the technician had to clean a layer of dust off to read the number clearly. How likely is it that a hospital ventilator would have that much dust on top of it?

[@nobs4898]

It's always funny when apologists claim James "was a skeptic" when the Bible literally says his brother was born of a virgin and that he performed miracles in front of him. Did James just somehow miss all of this stuff when growing up with his miraculously conceived brother?

[@filipmaly6603]

It would be good old brother rivalry: "Mom, I painted you at school! Look!" "Not now James. I am helping Jessus, your brother, to walk on water. Go show it to your father."

[@kenbee1957]

@@filipmaly6603 😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@kenbee1957]

"Jesus! How many times have I told you to PLEASE quit turning your brother's milk into alcohol!?"

[@norwegiancatholicism9106]

If James witnessed what Jesus did, and if he was really Jesus' real brother (child of Mary), is uncertain.

[@nathanjora7627]

I mean, James should’ve at least missed the moment when his brother was conceived, otherwise it would’ve been hard for Jesus to be born of a Virgin ^^

[@DoctaOsiris]

Oh dear, this is staring to sound like just another version of "high IQ research" 🤣 except without the 5,000 open tabs he's used actual pages instead! 🤣

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

I'd been having similar thoughts about him over the last few weeks.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

I would be quite wealthy if I had a dollar for every time someone said they had seen me somewhere I have never been. Or tried to get me to say I had seen someone somewhere when I had no idea. Eyewitnesses are notoriously untrustworthy.

[@vernonzehr]

As a type 1 diabetic I have had some sort of "near death" low glucose episodes. I was never quite that bad off as the body has the ability to save itself in emergancies. However in those bad moments I can't move, barely crawl on the floor, barely see. Every single time I've experienced this over the years I always have very extreme and completely "real" feeling "visions" and "real" experiences that involve religion, aliens or some sort of tinfoil hat government spying. Sometimes a vision feels like I've died and I am experiencing a formless eternity. Those were the worst. I actually can see and feel what eternity would feel like. Other times I hallucinate that aliens have abducted me and are performing tests. Once after I fell on the floor I believed the lamps and lights over my head in the room were government controlled drones sent to spy on me. In almost every case I have visions of pure intellectual understanding of the entire universe... that of course... fades away once I wake up and recover. Because of this I ABSOLUTELY do not believe in near death experiences period. I know from first hand experience that the brain can create amazing hallucinations when deprived of needed elements or is close to death. I also believe that medical conditions not known back in the day, could easily have caused incredible visions of the afterlife and supernatural. If I didn't know better my experiences could have pushed me to believe in Jesus sitting in my kitchen or Aliens or government spy drones in my house.

[@RickReasonnz]

Amazing what a brain starving of oxygen will manifest, isn't it! I mean, it's almost as bad as people who say taking hallucinogens bring you a religious experience - no, your brain simply trying to figure out what the fuck are all these strange sensory inputs and how to deal with them. Sorry to hear about your 'close calls', that must get terrifying at times.

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@RickReasonnz He isn't describing symptoms caused by a lack of oxygen. He is describing symptoms caused by a lack of glucose. I myself have been a type I diabetic for over 32 years. I have had similar episodes to what Vernon has described, although I don't think I can recall them in as great detail. And yeah, it can be quite frightening.

[@RickReasonnz]

@@rembrandt972ify My apologies, I was being too broad there. I should have just said 'starving.' The brain, when on the verge, tends to invent a lot, which makes those NDE's extremely suspect to trust. I suppose the only way to verify anything they experience is to hook up a dying person's brain to combat subjectivity, but that is a grotesque form of experimentation.

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@RickReasonnz No need to apologize. The OP implied that one form of 'starvation' could cause similar effects as another.

[@BlackEpyon]

@@rembrandt972ify I don't think it matters whether it was a shortage of oxygen or glucose. The symptoms he described are more or less typical of "near death" experiences, as far as I know. The brain begins to shut down when it's deprived of it's resources because cellular metabolic activity can no longer continue. You can choke an engine (block the airflow), or shut off the fuel line, and it will stall the exact same way, because BOTH components are required to keep it going, just as the cells in your brain require both oxygen AND glucose to function, or they shut down.

[@lower_case_t]

His testified NDE is pure gold: "This woman, at some time, somewhere in a hospital, she remembered a number. Other people we won't name anywhere are also convinced." I guess 500 people have seen it, then. And later is was revealed to 12 doctors. And to her sister Jamie.

[@kendrajade6688]

And last it was revealed to me, as one abnormally born.

[@unnefer001]

As a nurse, those NDE claims make me laugh. They show a serious lack of understanding of how hospitals and operating theaters work. There is almost no way the mundane aspects of those stories could happen, let alone the supernatural.

[@BlackEpyon]

Yeah. The nurse was wearing a pale green "uniform"... Okay, aren't scrubs USUALLY pale green?

[@osmosis321]

@@BlackEpyon Actually, probably not. But that's how it's portrayed in pop fiction, and so most people *think* they are.

[@jacob416]

@@BlackEpyon Yeah idk if it varies with specialty but my mom administers Chemo(shes a nurse but has a special certification that lets her do so) and the dress code for her office is black scrubs

[@c.guydubois8270]

Pale blue?

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

Oh I love the believers that can provide evidence for their Gods, better than their omnipotent Gods ever could. That is so sensible... Wait a minute!

[@vgrof2315]

Great statement!

[@timandmonica]

In any man-made religion it is always up to its believers to do ALL the work: convert people, build buildings, help the sick, give money where needed, explain why their god doesn't make sense to unbelievers, and as you say, even prove that their gods exist at all. They are also the one to take all the blame for so many things. Is because of sin that ____________. If it wasn't for you and me, this world would be literally perfect. Having to defend and explain the actions and inactions of their gods, and THEN having to bear the weight of everything being wrong on earth because they aren't perfect is a cruel, cruel model to live by.

[@maniac4239]

No matter how many anecdotes are asserted as facts and evidence, they’ll never amount to data.

[@franktherealist481]

Well, it is data... just not reasonable, factual or logical. 🤣

[@nathanjora7627]

MaNIaC they will : Once they’ll be taken in statistically significant numbers from properly made groups. Funny thing is : once we do that, it’s never at the advantage of any religion.

[@tompaine4044]

Which is more likely: That yesterday I saw my friend die and today see him walking around? Or that I'm mistaken?

[@franktherealist481]

@@tompaine4044 mistaken.

[@lower_case_t]

@@tompaine4044 Suuuuure... But your friend did not happen to be god's own kid. God children are far more likely to resurrect, actually more likely than witnesses to their resurrection being mistaken. So we can safely assume the resurrection claims are true. And if the resurrection is true, that means the bible is correct and we can trust everything else in it. That's how we know there really was an empty tomb, disciples dying for their belief etc. And an empty tomb elevates the assumption that the resurrection happened to secured knowledge. Gotcha!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Historians can only ever say what MOST LIKELY happened in the past. A resurrection is considered a miracle, Miracles are the LEAST LIKELY explanation, so historians can never say it's the most likely explanation

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

Hi Bart, how you doing?

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@CaseAgainstFaith1 👍😉

[@bennyredpilled5455]

250K+ Arabic people "hallucinated" the same apparition of Virgin Mary in 1968. The level of "a hallucination" became so intense that it materialized into bunch of photos. And somehow this also affected doctors' official reports about diseases being inexplicably cured. www.divinemysteries.info/our-lady-of-light-zeitoun-egypt-1968-1971/ www.stmaryztn.org/saintmary/en/apparition-story/apparition-photos/real-photos

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@bennyredpilled5455 BULLSHIT. Those photos look nothing like a person, least of all Mary. Pareidolia much, lol. That other miracle is *substanceless* aswell. This is alien ufo footage level fail through and through. Here's two images of pareidolia for comparison: images.app.goo.gl/AmTPg6T7ZZ2iUYtC6 ^Are you know going to claim god has six fingers lol. images.app.goo.gl/pE3HRbRvig16bL7L9 ^An Eye or a sink. You tell me dumb ass.

[@markhackett2302]

@@bennyredpilled5455 "that it materialized into bunch of photos" Nope.

[@1970Phoenix]

We have an error ridden, old book that contains edited (both intentionally and due to copying errors) records of oral traditions in which anonymous people claim that other anonymous people believed something. Therefore god. QED.

[@lennysmith8851]

“whY wOnT yoU jUst BELIEVE?”

[@parkjammer]

"These are solid arguments from future page counts..." giggle.

[@KubilayErtuna]

Christians seem to be fond of this numbers argument. They claim that there are 25,000 handwritten copies of the New Testament as an argument for its veracity but do not point out the oldest of these dates already at least 150 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus.

[@parkjammer]

@@KubilayErtuna Of the more than 100 billion modern hominids estimated to lived in the last 200,000 years, the vast majority believed the sun moved over and/or around the earth if they had time to think of it at all... so... given the popularity of that viewpoint, it must be true! This type of logic works great!

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@KubilayErtuna an 90% of these manuscripts were generated later than 1000 CE, not really eyewitness material.

[@bodricpriest8816]

Beautiful burn there, couldn't help but smile when he said it.

[@monsterinhead214]

How about ten? It's a nice, round number.

[@nobs4898]

How is this guy even considered a "scholar"? Oh, I see. Liberty University....

[@Paulogia]

Indeed.

[@Raydensheraj]

Haha hey at least it's not the Discovery Institute lol

[@Raydensheraj]

NormandyFoxtrot I study at Indiana University Astrophysics ( wished through I would have pursued Biology, the Biology classes/group are phenomenal ) so I often talk to other individuals from broad fields of expertise. Liberty University isn't just a highly Religious University ( you aren't allowed to leave your rooms after 12:30 when under 20, Pro life propaganda, Prayer groups that literally discriminate you when no show and obviously non critical in areas that include faith - example they disregard David Hume but spend weeks on Leibnitz , no Spinoza etc ) - so Haberman would NEVER critically look at anything concerning scripture because he was obviously never taught to do so. Mixed with the typical Religious confirmation bias that hardly NEVER leads to scepticism in scripture or "miracles". Plus he obviously won't make any cash since he appeals only too Christians wanting confirmation for their fairy tales and pseudo ethics & morals...

[@johnwalker1058]

at least it's not Kent Hovind's trailer "university"

[@Terra_Incognita115]

So I'm guessing Paul's workload on these videos is 30% animation, scripting, recording, etc. And 70% finding relevent movie clips to play

[@Paulogia]

not wrong on this particular one

[@weslewis8748]

They really makes the videos fun to watch! Good job, Paul. ​@@Paulogia

[@alflyle9955]

14 minutes into the video, Dr. H calls out eight numbers and claims he's said 12 numbers - probably indicative of how reliable his imaginary page count is.

[@oscargr_]

You must be OCD 😄

[@mikecarter5631]

Before he goes about “proving” a resurrection, he should prove there’s a god, that there was a virgin birth, and that the resultant child was the son of said god, that this person was Jesus, that he had a mission to die for humanity from god, and that the gospels are anything more than fanciful stories and fairytales.

[@bibleburner8426]

@Ad Lockhorst Great deduction! But if Jesus were a girl, I bet Christians would try to use the Y chromosome fact as some kind of proof!

[@kayb9979]

@Ad Lockhorst Some lizards can reproduce through parthenogenesis. Perhaps Mary was a reptilian alien?

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Basically, he just needs to present the ample contemporary evidence that would exist if even half of what the gospels claim about Jesus are true. I'm not holding my breath.

[@markhackett2302]

@Ad Lockhorst "Ergo; Jesus would have been a girl" HOWEVER, since jesus identified as a man, they would therefore be a trans.

[@markhackett2302]

​@Ad Lockhorst Clearly male ribs contain all the Y chromosomes.

[@montagdp]

If a minimal facts argument takes 5000 pages to make, I'd hate to see what a maximal facts argument would take.

[@dahitmann]

All these "evidences". And all of us know where he'll get 99% of them: The Bible. Shock, I know.

[@kmasonsos]

dahitmann surprise he doesn’t. He knows that the Bible isn’t evidence.

[@PaDutchRunner]

So where did the Bible come from? Was it secretly concocted in the early 1900’s and then put off as legitimately ancient? Was it a golden plate dug up by a guy named Joe? Did it fall from the sky?

[@lreadlResurrected]

I'll wait to read Richard Carrier's review before investing in the book. ;-)

[@swolejeezy2603]

I’m not an expert, but Carrier is fringe when it comes to Jesus scholarship. He’s not even as entertaining as Robert M. Price, who I read often for fun

[@lreadlResurrected]

@Lord Cobra, @FightPeople, @Swole Jeezy Godless Engineer is doing some call-in shows on the topic of Jesus's historicity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGeXamqIp7V4Zqs&lc=z22fgxbxkv31ybarj04t1aokgrinhz2gyubwo5basxnsrk0h00410 When he announces the next one, I will come back here and post a link. Hopefully, you will be able to join and have a real conversation about this.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@swolejeezy2603 I only know 3 historians who can be described as mythicists. But I only ever heard of 2 historians who think that those minimal historical facts lead to the conclusion that the resurrection most likely happened. So I am not that sure if Carriers claims are more or less fringe than those of Habermas.😂

[@swolejeezy2603]

@@ramigilneas9274 That’s fair

[@thenorseman8964]

@@swolejeezy2603 (Yes, I know this is about a year old.) Carrier is only "fringe" because he did what everyone else does not -- he got his books peer-reviewed and applied Bayes theorem to ALL of the currently existing evidence regarding Jesus. (There is now one other peer-reviewed book out on the historicity of Jesus, so two peer-reviewed authors, experts in the field, in the past 100 years.) When Habermas does this, then we can talk. And, agree or disagree, at least Carrier laid out exactly why he concludes what he does -- that there is a one in three chance that Jesus actually existed AT BEST and one in around twelve thousand for the other boundary -- and therefore IMHO has set the bar for further Jesus debates. And I can't emphasize enough the fact that Carrier laid out everything, pro and con, and was very explicit about it so it is very straightforward for any other scholar to put forth their arguments and evidence. Unlike literally everyone else who just wants to pump out yet another "OMG Jezzus is REALz and all!!!" book. Yawn.

[@JWhitneyInc]

Thank you for this video. I actually came across the Habermas interview as a recommended video. Thought I'd give it a shot and checked out when they started down the NDE path. Thought to myself, "Gee, I'd really like to see Paulogia tear this one apart." It did not disappoint.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Wow. I just commented on another video about this yesterday, describing how as a person raised in Judaism it’s still just really hard for me to wrap my head around why it’s SO vitally important for so many devout Christians to somehow prove that their scripture is historically accurate “truth.” My religious instruction always stressed how it didn’t necessarily matter if a story was historically accurate or “true,” but rather that almost ANY story could be engaging, morally or intellectually instructive, and/or profoundly meaningful and powerful. That Aesop’s Fables are still remarkably timeless and morally relevant, despite not being “true.” But then...I always end up having to remind myself that my religious instruction also lacked any concept of an afterlife- Jewish doctrine contains neither the threat of eternal torment nor the promise of eternal paradise, and it also lacks any real concept of individual salvation. So, in the absence of those concepts, there’s not really any reason to be tied to the historical accuracy of Hebrew scripture; Jewish exegesis focuses on exploring the layers of potential interpretation and meaning in scripture, as well as using the text as a means of exploring the cultural context in which the text was originally written and comparing/contrasting that original intent with both historic and current cultural contexts. For Jews, basically no way to be “wrong” in any given scriptural interpretation or personal belief, since the focus is entirely on actions rather than faith or personal belief. Now, don’t get me wrong- this doesn’t mean AT ALL that there isn’t a history of vigorous, and at times acrimonious, debate in Jewish theology...it’s just that, in Judaism, the only real potential consequences of being “wrong” in one’s interpretation or belief are social. And, if that does happen, one is always free to switch to a different, more agreeable congregation or community. And, even if someone disagrees to the point of causing a schism, none of the sides involved will claim that the opposing parties are going to hell; the worst possible consequence is social ostracism, and even that’s only ever the case with the tiny, +/-2% minority of ultra-orthodox Jews...and at times not even with them. For example, my grandparents left an ultra-Orthodox chasidic sect and switched to the most progressive form of Judaism, but my family and I still have friendships with members of chasidic sects, as well as friendships and family relationships with people spanning the spectrum from fundamentalist orthodoxy to secular atheism to the “Bund”/“Der Arbeter Ring,” (a secular denomination that believes Judaism is best expressed through humanism and social justice.) to Reconstructionism, which basically involves practicing whatever feels right to the individual.

[@montagdp]

It's because for conservative Christianity, Jesus having been raised from the dead is the foundation of all other doctrines. As Paul says, "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile." That said, not all Christians who believe Jesus rose from the dead require all the scriptures to be completely historically accurate, just this and other facts they believe to be foundational.

[@leeshackelford7517]

No closer to seeing his book than we are to seeing a cure to the common cold

[@PaddySnuffles]

I've had an NDE & it was like waking up from a deep sleep. There. The NDE thing is now unreliable on that alone.

[@stevedancy6413]

7:05 I had to laugh when Dr. Habermas said " ... consensus position is that you can track the resurrection preaching back to immediately after the cross. " while literally shaking his head "no". I'm sure it's just a coincidence and not him subconsciously betraying he doesn't believe what he's saying ....

[@harrypothead42024]

I used to think a lot of really wacko stuff might be true when I was younger. Near death experiences never got past the idea in my brain that, when a person's brain is dying it's probably not working very well. Therefore it might not be perceiving as things actually are. I will never understand why this simple thought has never walked across the mind of a believer in NDE

[@autobotstarscream765]

"I went to Heaven, and Jesus turned out to be Rama...now I know NDEs are crap because mine didn't agree with the Bible!"

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

"Minimum facts approach" Are you convinced by this technique? Let's see: 1- Mohammed claimed to have revelations from Archangel Gabriel. 2- His companions believed they were in the presence of a Prophet. 3-Because of this belief, the believers turned the world upside-down, religiously. 4- By their own writings, those claims can be traced back immediately to the time when the revelations took place. 5 and 6- Abd al-Rahman bin Awf and Uthman ibn Affan both believed he was a prophet BEFORE the successful military campaigns. Christians: Is "Minimum facts approach" enough to base a supernatural belief also in this prophet of God or do you prefer the "special pleading approach"?

[@autobotstarscream765]

And another thing, why is Islam not accepted as a form of Christianity when stuff like the Latter-Day Saints (additional prophets and testaments) and Jehovah's Witnesses (denial of the Trinity and Christ's divinity) make it in?

[@elcarpe9186]

Paulogia... this was a great video... "like a Roman Centurion kneeling next to Jesus... You Nailed It !"

[@timothymulholland7905]

How did you find all the movie clips citing numbers! Wow!

[@tom_curtis]

Regarding Greyson (not Grayson) and Near Death Experiences, his most important paper for understanding the religious significance of NDEs appears to be: "Dissociation in people who have near-death experiences: out of their bodies or out of their minds?" The paper's results are that "People who reported NDEs also reported significantly more dissociative symptoms than did the comparison group. Among those who reported NDEs, the depth of the experience was positively correlated with dissociative symptoms, although the level of symptoms was substantially lower than that of patients with pathological dissociative disorders." www.newdualism.org/nde-papers/Greyson/Greyson-The%20Lancet_2000-355-460-463.pdf In short, the evidence is that Near Death Experiences are a dissociative response to the stress of near death; not a supernatural experience. In Near Death Experience and Spirituality, Greyson reports that Near Death Experience most commonly results in an increase in spirituality, but a significant decrease in the acceptance of conventional religious doctrines. That is, people who have a NDE who were Christian before the experience have a significant probability of ceasing to be Christians afterwards. med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/01/NDE46_spirituality-Zygon.pdf These are not facts Christian apologists would want to refer to; and indeed, Habermas does not refer to them. That suggests he is playing a shell game with regard to NDEs.

[@Actuary1776]

Tom Curtis Of course he is. There are studies that show the NDEs are cultural specific as well. Western folks see the light at the end of the tunnel, people from the East may see a river with a boat and their task is to cross it. Habermas conveniently leaves those types of facts out. At a minimum NDEs don’t support the Christian construct as “the only way”.

[@coffeemachtspass]

Hi, Paul. At around minute 6:10 you implied that Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Empire. Not so. He made it a favored religion, but did not disavow traditional paganism. Official and exclusive status for Christianity was not accorded until forty years later by Theodosius I in 380 CE.

[@XarXXon]

Dr. Gary Habermas has just demonstrated to be a terrible historian, at least when it comes to Jesus. Peace

[@howiegardner9673]

Oh really? Please elaborate.

[@XarXXon]

@@howiegardner9673 He presupposes the bible is reliable, even when shown the unlikelihood of most of it's claims. Going so far as to state: even if there was no tomb, that doesn't imply Jesus didn't resurrect. Completely missing the point. If there was no tomb, then the claim about the tomb is false, therefore the bible is not reliable.

[@dracobuilder6707]

@@XarXXon When you make a claim that maybe Jesus was thrown in a mass grave, you need to provide evidence to support this claim, and does it match with the rest of the facts.

[@XarXXon]

@@dracobuilder6707 I'm not claiming anything, I'm pointing out it was common practice for those crucified by Romans to be thrown into a mass grave. The bible claiming otherwise is no reason for anyone to assume Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Sanhedrin ( the very group who condemned Jesus to death) would give up his own grave he had build in his own back yard. What facts would that be? That Census of Quirinius, never happened and is ridiculous on it's face? That king Herod's slaughter of the innocents was just slander made up by christians? That Matthew 27:50-53: And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people. Should I build you a time machine or will you defend Matthew 27:50-53? Peace

[@dracobuilder6707]

@@XarXXon common practice does not mean it was done. what needs to be defended about those verses?

[@Scruffers2011]

The whole empty tomb story is an invention. Luke’s account in Luke 24 shows the women returning to the tomb to anoint Jesus’ body with spices. The purpose of wrapping a body in coverings loaded with spices and to “anoint the body” was to cover up the smell of the body before it went into a tomb, not after. Nobody goes to a sealed tomb to unwrap a decomposing body that would have had an awful stench by that time. The time to put spices on a dead body is right after death, not three days later. John saw the problem and made sure that his gospel had Nicodemus anointing the body with 75lbs (Jn 19:39) of spices before it went into the tomb and didn’t mention the women returning to anoint the body. Thus, John corrects the error the Synoptics make, but that leaves the question “why would the women in John’s gospel return to a tomb that was sealed? There is no good reason. The whole story stinks (pun intended) of being contrived. Gospel writers needed a plot device to explain why someone would go to a sealed tomb (Mat 27:30) so they invented the story of the women retuning to anoint the body with spices.

[@jonathantyson8744]

You need to read Luke 23 54-56. Clear explanation of why things were done the way they were done. It seems also you are not understanding the timing of different things mentioned across the gospels.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

The tomb story falls already apart when there is no evidence romans EVER allowed crucified criminals to be buried in honorable graves. All records we know of see them leaving the corpses up as long as the public safety or the lack of need for new crucifixes allowed them, then the rest that hadn't been eaten by carrioneaters or rotted away was thrown in big holes as massgrave. Romans did NOT coddle insurgents and they used crucifixion only for that kind of rebels. I was close to laughing tears that Mr Habermas even KNEW about that but waved it away as if historical precedence is completely irrelevant as long as THE BIBLE says something else. I guess the Israelites being definitely a canaanite tribe and thereby in bible logic stemming from Ham, not Shem isn't already enough to prove the fantasy nature of the stories about the mythical origins of their "nation"...

[@jonathantyson8744]

Actually there is historical written record that romans did allow people to be buried after being crucified, so guess you didn’t read enough

[@autobotstarscream765]

Stuff like this makes want to ask, forget about whether the Bible is history for a moment, is it truly The Greatest Story Ever Told?

[@ScorpioHR]

The "mistakes" are there for a reason: they are little cracks on the surface making you want to scratch some more - remember, Gospels were written in Greek, as telltales, by anonimus people, not actual eye witnesses. The cracks are there to make you sceptical and dig deeper into the meaning of the story, more than meets the eye. The problem is, you must be the one asking questions and seek for answers, it can't be "forced" into you. You just can't cherish the plane model if someone puts it together for you and paints it - it sucks out all the fun and it's not actually a "model plane" but a simple toy. The journey is more important than the goal - every Hollywood movie talks about it - transformation is a process, not something you can snap your fingers and Presto - done. Only thing I could promise you is that at the end, all the "magic" is lost and you don't need "blind faith" to see it all makes sense from the different perspective, too. It's reverse piano scene from WandaVision (drunk Vision using superpowers, Wanda covers it up by creating explanation, like turning piano in a 2D cardboard picture so people don't realize Vision has super strength, but to think it was just a magic trick when he lifted it) - where "superpowers" of the book character actually have a sane, reasonable meaning but still can deliver "apocalypse", and "end of the world as we know it", as promised. And the first step to it is to become sceptical, which "inconsistencies" help with. Sorry, I know it's hard to wrap the head around it, but that's how any boy that has never seen plane model pieces would feel if only toys he had were preassembled. It would be, simply: a mess and "pile of hot garbage".

[@Forest_Fifer]

"You're going to be hard put to nail historical references".. well they managed it with Jesus.

[@pansepot1490]

According to the “Life of Brian” crucified bodies were left to rot on the cross... I have always found that a very compelling evidence for the inaccuracy of the gospels.

[@condorboss3339]

That was actually what happened to the slaves captured at the end of Spartacus' revolt. M Licinius Crassus had them crucified along the Appian Way and the bodies left to rot on the cross as a warning to disobedient slaves.

[@franktherealist481]

@Michael all I can say is woooow. That's ignorance on a whole different spectrum. LMAO!!! Becuase she saw it in a movie... smh.

[@franktherealist481]

@Michael what's funny about your story being true is that they, in the case of the woman you mentioned, would wonder why we atheists see them as ignorant. It's baffling. Seriously comical and baffling.

[@condorboss3339]

@Michael Pegasus is real!!

[@franktherealist481]

@Michael I would have to agree with you on that. Delusional is a better adjective.

[@jamierichardson7683]

That this video is 4 years old and this book is only just being released makes watching this again amusing as hell

[@oscargr_]

I'm almost finished writing a 5001 page book about Dr. Gary Habermas. Looking for publishing opportunities.

[@alanthompson8515]

Oscar Gr There's a branch of the Penguin Group called Ladybird Books.

[@stuartmcconnachie]

Would finding another shroud count as new Jesus material?

[@danielf.7151]

Does that guy sound like Kent Hovind at times or do I have issues?

[@davidfrisken1617]

It is a related mental condition.

[@shetheyandkindagay]

He’s Kent Hovind in disguise

[@rembrandt972ify]

Both. Sorry, I couldn't resist. :P

[@mjolnir9855]

They all sound the same eventually - childish and woefully naive. More boring jibber jabber from religious Mumbo Jumbo.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@mjolnir9855 Mumbo Jumbo sounds nothing like these guys! Mumbo doesn't commit tax fraud or preach antivaxerism! 💀

[@cmk1964]

Gary - the disciples HAD experiences. Paulogia - the disciples BELIEVED that that had experiences. Me - the writers of the New Testament WROTE that the disciples had experiences. That doesn’t mean they really had experiences, or that they really believed they had experiences. It just means that someone wrote this propaganda to substantiate their claims and to promote their agenda.

[@stephentaylor6726]

Is it just me...or does he sound like someone who doesn't actually believe anymore but is just so invested in not being proven wrong that he's just goalposts shifting and strawmaning arguments??? To the point that he's writing a book that he never intends to publish that just offer one sided arguments to everyone who ever said he was wrong about anything. I know some of those are common tactics among apologists, but it feels different with this guy.

[@annieoakley2925]

I had the same thought. He's can't get out of his "profession" because it would be embarrassing and he'd have nothing to do. I imagine though that he's got plenty of money to live comfortable for the rest of his life.

[@davidfrisken1617]

It is either what he is doing, or selling used cars.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

The other problem for us guys, is that a lot of us think our dicks will fall off if we admit error.

[@WillTellU]

He's waiting for all his would-be critics to die of old age

[@Eibarwoman]

Gary will die first

[@bdf2718]

He'll be out of luck if they're resurrected.

[@0nlyThis]

There is no "resurrection" in the Gospels. Mark has it reported to three women by a total stranger in an empty tomb. Matthew reports an angel rolling away the stone and sitting on it - but no resurrection. These have to be inferred from reported apparitions. John has his Jesus claim to BE the resurrection but, like Matthew and Luke, reports only apparitions - no resurrection. Even the apparitions themselves never claim to be Jesus risen from the dead. Mark's having his three women running off, telling no one, renders the entire episode at the empty tomb not even so much as hearsay - much less history.

[@ShannonQ]

First

[@timediverx]

Lies!

[@thehumanistisin9924]

Hi Shannon!

[@dienekes4364]

It's interesting that, during NDEs, if the person attributes the experience to a religion, it's *_ALWAYS_* the religion that they were indoctrinated into. If an NDE were evidence that any particular religion were true, wouldn't ALL NDEs result in the person believing in that one particular religion?

[@lancetschirhart7676]

How TF does he get all of these movie clips with numbers??

[@elainejohnson6955]

Clip of "Weekend at Bernie's" made me crack up, thanks!

[@gupdoo3]

"like a vaccine" Lines that hit harder during covid

[@GSP-76]

From the moment Gary starts talking, all I can think of is a used car salesman.

[@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature]

At this point, I think Habermas is lying. I hung on his every word when I completed the MA Apologetics at Biola way back in 2009-2011 and he promised this giant book...still to see any whiff or whim of it. I reckon we have a better chance of Martin finishing Game of Thrones.

[@quinn0517]

Also, delerium happens in ICUs all the time. Even more, there are studies on ICU/CCU survivors showing PTSD-like symptoms, which can include hallucinations, is notable. I even witnessed my mom dealing with that kind of hallucination...i was right there watching her, talking to her..she was convinced she was out-of-body. When she got better, she fairly quickly reasoned out it was a hallucination & definitely believed us. This circumstance with other people, it's definitely plausible they'd believe it real.

[@grapeshot]

All the people I know that have died there still very dead. I had a dear friend who was killed in the Ghost Ship fire in Oakland California. I know she's dead and she's never coming back. She lives on in my memories and the memories of others who loved her and that is the closest to inmortality she will ever get.

[@kdub5882]

Why don't you just ask Jesus himself. If He did rise from death and is alive now then He is more than able to answer you.

[@joanbarbano4244]

Always thought the same: why did he leave? Having Jesus running around for 2 millennia would be convincing.

[@Zen0NoMind1]

Dr.Gary (as I call him, obviously) well, there are a number of youtube videos with his in depth lectures full of strong premises to support the resurrection of Christ, so why take a weak interview of him and then make weak assertions that are not covincing or even convicting...I digress. If you really wanna cast doubt, boy...I said, I said...if you really wanna cast doubt, boy, grab life by the horns and dive deep in. (An homage to Foghorn Leghorn there.) I know you are biased, but still...I've seen you do better. You're better than this.👀🧠🤔😪...😁 God bless. 😇

[@Zen0NoMind1]

Paulogia's refutation, (excuse me... "examination") of the resurrection of Christ is unsurprisingly weak. I have 3 questions to ponder. #1 How close does any other ancient document(s), in number, come to the sheer # (thousands) of New Testament ancient manuscripts stll in existence today? #2 Could it reasonably be true that the reason nearly all the New Testament ancient manuscripts are identical in their information (with exceptions to minor spelling and grammatical errors, ofcourse.) is because the manuscripts where faithfully preserved by a world wide society of God honoring Christians who took it so seriously, that they dared not change any information from what was in the orignals? #3 Finally, considering that one eye witness testimony in a modern court of law can be enough to damn an individual to criminal punish, why not accept the New Testament as factual eyewitness testimony from the many, many witnesses it contains therein? CAUTION: If you do take the New Testament at face value truth and then decide to follow the directions it recommends, you just might end up in Heaven...forever. Yikes!🦴👀🧠👣❤💤😇

[@wagsman9999]

I don't think theists appreciate how weak their arguments are. If you want to believe Jesus was raised from the dead... fine... but these are faith claims, not historical claims. The resurrection of Jesus cannot be demonstrated true using historical methods in the same ways the miracles of Islam cannot be demonstrated true. Stories in old books are evidence of one and only one thing - people can write stories, and miracles are the least likely thing to occur in the face of very plausible naturalistic explanations for the stories in the Bible (stories were made up, memories were exaggerated, etc.). All skeptics ask is we get the same level of respect as a Christian might give to a Hindu, even though the Hindu does not believe any of the miracle claims of Christianity.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

NDEs are based on selection bias..what about people who saw Hell or never came back at all or returned with no experiences...so Habermass,like all self deluded Apologists,are clutching at Straws! I don't think Gary has met James Randi

[@tyler-qr5jn]

Regarding NDE, you can most definitely find experiences regarding most religions like Islam etc... Doesn't prove anything besides the person hallucinating what they believe would happen after death.