Guarantors of the Resurrection - Habermas & Licona vs Paulogia & Dillahunty

[@sairassiili]

Seems like paulogia is getting more and more frequent shots coming his way. Paulogia raising to the big leagues

[@johngleeman8347]

He's a credible threat to the apologists now. XD

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

He's ruffling all the right feathers. 🦊

[@donchon7580]

He does good research. Which puts the apologists research into question.

[@sairassiili]

@@donchon7580 Apologists "research"

[@donchon7580]

@@sairassiili indeed research must mean summarize the books that already agree with my position.

[@ShannonQ]

Always proud of you 💗

[@Slum0vsky]

And you are always FIRST!, Shannon ;)

[@roberthermens904]

And we are always proud of you too, Shannon. You rock!

[@fred_derf]

@@Slum0vsky She has insider info…

[@harrypothead42024]

Such a sweetie

[@Wildcard120]

Awww.

[@AbnormalWrench]

When the highly educated scholar's argument comes down to "We should assume the voices they are hearing in their head are real", it is hard to take them seriously.

[@bellezavudd]

Real schizophrenia or real drugs = "real" voices.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

and here we are one year later with lane craig saying "lower the bar" lol.

[@snooganslestat2030]

I believe that is special pleading in a sense at least. Interesting seeing the contradictions & mental gymnastics it requires to proving & explaining the perfect book.

[@MrDanAng1]

Interesting with the "WILLING to die" argument... By the same standards, Muhammeds visions and Joseph Smiths visions are on equal footing, both of them suffered persecution, but still come back for more! Yet they are not convinced of Islam nor Mormonism. 🤔

[@philarmstrong3765]

Let us not forget Applewhite and Heaven's Gate.

[@elephant_888]

@Daniel H - BINGO!!! We could grant them the “willingness” claim and it would still be an AWFUL argument for truth and authenticity with many modern examples to make that case. 🤦🏽‍♂️😂

[@MrDanAng1]

Guess it's only an argument that works if you know nothing about any other religion... or even nationalism.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@J. Lo Embarassment is another great subject... as they seriously claim that allegedly some aspects like the women finding the empty grave would be too "embarrassing" if they were not the truth.

[@agusstiinbt]

Except that Mohammed and Joseph Smith got plenty of wifes and fame, money and sex

[@denverheck4544]

Speaking as an Oilers fan, it takes more faith to be an Oilers fan than a Christian. I’m with you, Paul.

[@elephant_888]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffk3352]

The Sabres made me an atheist.

[@davidtaylor-it9pw]

Warren Moon and Buddy Ryan would be proud

[@donsample1002]

Oilers fans have got nothing on Leafs fans.

[@bskec2177]

@@jeffk3352 The Leafs made me a Satanist. But he gave my soul back, said nobody could make them win, and that I was already in hell.

[@JayMaverick]

I love it when these major charlatans get all huffy and puffy because Paul calmly challenges their silly arguments.

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

imagen setting up a triple debate of first Ra coming in like a Bull and just 'head butting' charlatans like these ...then matt following it up ripping ther platitudes to shreds....and finishing it with paul calmly dissecting ther historic claims XD

[@EdwardHowton]

They've got nothing else on their side, to they play the _I'm Offended(tm)!_ card. Good for you, Cletus, you're offended, here's a cookie, you're still full of shit though, that hasn't changed and no amount of bitching will alter reality to suit your insecurities. But if they or their intended audience of sheep were capable of understanding that, they'd be out of a con job.

[@n0ccca]

Note to self: say "huffy and puffy" more often

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

@@EdwardHowton true ,its after all why religion hates education and critical thinking..or just common sense so much.

[@SanjeevSharma-vk1yo]

Habermas totally reminded me of the Lee J. Cobb character in "twelve angry men", I bet he'd vote to hang Paulogia for the "crime" of MAYBE disagreeing with Habermas. Habermas could not even specify where Paul was supposedly wrong much of the time. Maybe Habermas was painfully constipated & taking it out on Paul?

[@jr_1742]

I started watching you after the drama with Loke and CC. All I want to say is that I’m a big fan of your surprisingly long and detailed content, especially since you are always ready to unequivocally correct your mistakes. Keep it up my friend.

[@Paulogia]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@Luubelaar]

Agreed. Even when I don't agree with someone's argument, I will always respect honesty and integrity. Paulogia regularly displays both.

[@GameDay516]

Seriously, when I think of Honesty and Integrity... I think of Paulogia.

[@johnstrong3029]

I'm a theist who watches lots of atheist content. Paulogia stands out as being someone who can stick to a topic and evaluate it until a reasonable conclusion arises. His personal perspectives don't taint his logic. I appreciate his channel.

[@ronaldharris6569]

You have to be super precise with these guys, they have decades of experience pushing their narrative. Matt has the experience hosting the show so they can't find flaws in his arguments. You are doing good Paul they are taking you seriously now.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

And yet they themselves are sloppy and careless with facts all the time. Bending the truth whenever it's in the way of their desired interpretation. Almost as if they know they will need to talk "the truth" into being as they do not have any reliable evidence.

[@resurrectionnerd]

People dying for what they believe is equally expected under the hypothesis that the people are simply mistaken. Apologists always phrase it as "they wouldn't die for a lie." No one is saying they were lying. They may have sincerely believed it but were just mistaken.

[@lebojay]

9/11

[@nathanjora7627]

« No one is saying they were lying » Right, all I’d do (in addition to reasserting that someone being « truthful » doesn’t equal « having the truth ») would be to point out that it is actually possible to die for a lie, even if you’re the author of said lie, for many reasons ranging from having convinced yourself of the truth of that lie to being so bogged down by all you’d have to admit and renounce if you were to tell the truth that you simply can’t get yourself to admit it, especially if sais lie brought you fame, status, respect, and perhaps even an easier living than the one you had previously.

[@nathanjora7627]

@Gerald McKencie Therefore they were probably honestly convinced. Wether or not they were right. Probably, even if not necessarily.

[@pansepot1490]

Apologists explain away the 9/11 example by saying that those were not eye witnesses of what is written in the Quran. They admit that people can die for sincerely believing in mistaken ideas but their point is that the originators of the resurrection story must have known if it was true or false. That’s why Paulogia insists in asking: “who were the eye witnesses saying ON RECORD that they saw the risen Jesus with their own eyes?” Only Paul of Tarsus wrote down his experience. For the rest we only have second hand accounts, the large majority of which are late and unreliable.

[@lebojay]

@@pansepot1490 So they think eyewitnesses can’t be mistaken? They should familiarize themselves with our criminal justice system. Joseph Smith was an eyewitness... do they believe him? It’s a lame excuse, even by apologist standards.

[@edwardamo]

Nicely done. Anybody who can have a conversation with Gary Habermas and still refrain from calling him a pompous a--hole is an *incredibly* patient human being, in my opinion.

[@maynardmckillen9228]

Habermas exemplifies a life that has been wasted and misdirected. Instead of aspiring to be a fifth-rate "scholar", his energy would have been better spent developing into a first-rate human being. His failure to seek the worthy goal leaves us with the spectre of a lazy apologist, who deflects attention away from his flimsy assertions by resorting to projection, bluster and sophistry.

[@malirk]

*Dear Dr. Mike Licona* (at 12:20), Flavius Josephus was so convinced of the claims he wrote of, that he remained Jewish.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Brocephus.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The "praise Jesus" ad inserted into Josephus' "Jewish Antiquities" was the work of a zealous Christian fabricating evidence for the cause.

[@jonfromtheuk467]

@@JamesRichardWiley He wrote an autobiography near his death after antiquities ......he never mentioned his conversion to Christianity, despite claiming Jesus was the promised Messiah in it ........ Think about that for second.....

[@Platter_heads]

What’s interesting is that Christianity in the first century is a fulfillment of Jewish prophecy not detractor from Judaism. So people didn’t stop being Jewish when believing Christ. They probably didn’t see it as a “conversion” at first.

[@jonfromtheuk467]

@@Platter_heads well to be accurate it is Christians saying that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies in order to show Jews he was the promised Messiah. But if you already know what the prophecies are how difficult is it for the Christian gospel authors to simply insert them into the narrative? Jesus riding into town on an ass, the census that never happened to crassly get Jesus born there to fulfil prophecy etc I mean it even says in places Jesus did X so as to fulfil prophecy. How much more evidence do you need?

[@scienceexplains302]

Paulogia is playing in the big leagues now. Looks like it is time for a Paulogia Wikipedia page

[@jbi4955]

Paul’s really coming up in the world. Now a higher brow of “scholarly” apologist are trying to take him down. And looking a little foolish in the attempt

[@DeconvertedMan]

all apologists look foolish.

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@DamBlairFam dont hold your breath XD

[@charlidog2]

It's hard to beat an atheist in general. There's no chance with a learned atheist. The simple fact is, theists have nothing.

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@charlidog2 they have faith. ;)

[@ooloncoluphid1942]

A scholarly apologist is, to my mind, not too different from a serious student of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Both have pointless fields of study, yet find endless ways to be dicks about it.

[@maxuno8524]

3 things I love about Paulogia: 1. He is self deprecating and admits to his own mistakes, quite regularly and openly. 2. He fact-checks and researches everything and the presentation and articulation of his work is impeccable. 3. He thinks the word 'piss' is a naughty word 🤭 You are amazing, Paul. Thank you❤️

[@johnpro2847]

yes ..live examination is as bad as a job interview..they catch of gaude or just can't recall the answer until you realize you are unlikely to get the job anyway.

[@jacoblee5796]

Gary is an expert at exaggerating "evidence", that's about it. Gary is one of those apologists that like to talk about all this "evidence" and then never give any. Listening to him is incredibly frustrating!

[@jasonsabbath6996]

Sounds like a certain former president. I have a ton of evidence, yet will never show you. Believe me. Ugh!

[@KD-hi6hh]

@@jasonsabbath6996 Oh stop with that BS !!! Politics don't belong here.....Besides, the evidence is out there, the MSM just won't allow it to be presented. Even so, we're trying to move forward so let it go already...

[@markhackett2302]

@@KD-hi6hh Oh stop with the pearl clutching to protect your ideology. The evidence is not being allowed because there is no evidence, as proven by over 50 court cases.

[@KD-hi6hh]

@@markhackett2302 No No and No !!!! The evidence has not been presented - Check your facts. The cases are being turned down due to "standing" and similar and I understand that - SCOTUS and lower Courts don't want a repeat of the controversy of 2000 when SCOTUS decided Bush over Gore. "Pearl Clutching" ??? What is that? If it's a personal insult then prepare yourself; I can do the same - You wanna go down that road? Btw, my "Ideology" is; Smaller Government, lower taxes, strong military and fair trade etc....Also, term limits of Congress. What's yours?

[@nicholaslewis8594]

K, you’re proving his point😂

[@maninalift]

We know that cult leaders will martyr themselves. We have seen it happen within our lifetimes. For some reason we weren't all compelled to convert to the beliefs they espoused. For the most part we didn't even care whether they were lying or deluded or have any sense that we had an urgent duty to explain their behaviour.

[@RickReasonnz]

Heaven's Gate was real, according to these apologists! :P

[@plattbagarn]

The idea that no one would be willing to die for a lie has to be one of the dumbest things ever. People have ***ALWAYS*** died for stupid causes.

[@hossmcgregor3853]

The whole idea that because someone is willing to die for their faith makes it true can be destroyed with one reference "Heaven's Gate".

[@JamesRichardWiley]

People die by the millions every day for no good reason.

[@jonfromtheuk467]

ummm well technically, theist have a more nuanced take, no-one would die for what they KNEW for a lie. Still bollox but thats their stance usually

[@mmorphy4258]

People die all the time for beliefs. There is a big difference in dying for something you claimed to have SEEN

[@gustavlarsson7494]

Just you wait, Paul! Gary has that "5000 page slam dunk of a book" that he'll release some day! Oh, bewaaare... Hahah 😂👌

[@gustavlarsson7494]

PS, some machocistic part of me kinda loves Mr Habermass' utter ballsiness and disregard for academic honor in reffering to himself as a source. And in keeping true to his religion - he even then refuses to show any evidence 😅 Haha

[@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm]

When I saw that video, I knew Paul was going to tackle it. It felt like promo material for Paul's response.

[@Paulogia]

ha!

[@Greg-il8by]

I want to know what real historians say about Gary Habermas behind closed doors, if they even know who he is.

[@michaelsommers2356]

Except for those who study the history of early Christianity, I doubt that many have ever heard of him. I would guess that most historians don't think that there is enough reliable evidence to say much at all about the life of Jesus, much less the disciples, at least when acting as historians and not as believers.

[@ramigilneas9274]

Only a few Historians will know who he is and those who do will make fun of his outlandish conclusions. Just like most Philosophers have never heard of William Lane Craig, especially outside of Murica.

[@andreaferrara1969]

I suspect he is a guy that apologists cite more than historians. I'd be curious to see what he's published in journals and how his articles are received.

[@vanessadesire7]

Why?

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@ramigilneas9274 Oui, I'd like to see him go up against today's French philosophers. Débâcle!

[@brandonfly6464]

One of my favorite combos. Paulogia & Dillahunty All I'm missing now is some popcorn. 🍿

[@mrmaat]

Gary Habermas just replaced Frank Turek on the top of my “dishonest clown” list. I just can’t stand his smug, condescending, bad faith rhetoric.

[@davidwilliams3397]

They are all the same. I have stopped distinguishing them because they all use the same arguments. It is as if they have learnt it all parrot fashion.

[@AndJusticeForMe]

The smugness comes from insecurity...and they have a lot to be insecure about.

[@denysbeecher5629]

Have the Hovinds just been removed from the running entirely at this point?

[@andreaferrara1969]

I'm not even sure it is dishonesty, it just seems like they're committed to the position. They also reason like this: Most unlikely scenario + most unlikely scenario + most unlikely scenario = more likely than not answer. It's frustrating.

[@mrmaat]

@@denysbeecher5629 #3 Ken Hamm #4 Kent Hovind #5 Cliff Knechtle

[@michaelmeszaros6982]

I think that the theists are merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and not noticing that their feet are soaked. RockOn, Paul.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

The Internet. Where ALL religions go to die.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Every religious person begins their core belief with "God did it" with god being invisible and unknowable. What is the difference between invisible and unknowable and imaginary?

[@HybridRTele]

Verified Demonic Possession at 6:50 Love your Work

[@lyubovs]

"Put the lotion in the basket!"

[@ColinTimmins]

I heard that too and I was like, “What the heck?”, and had to watch that part again. lol

[@__Andrew]

I sort of had a "post bereavement hallucination" when i was a kid. My grandfather had passed and i was too young to go to his funeral so i never had closure to him passing. He was just gone. I was really sad at missing him and one day when i got out of the shower i was combing my hair and i imagined my grandfather appeared next to me and was talking to me and telling me i looked handsome. It made me feel better. As a kid i didn't really understand what was going on like, its hard to explain but i knew i sort of "willed" him into being there, but in my mind it was both real and not real at the same time. And i was so happy to see him and talk to him that i ran outside to tell my mother that pop-pop just came and talked to me (it was her father that passed).

[@resurrectionnerd]

Mike Licona likes to appeal to the earliest evidence in favor of the Resurrection. Well, I have a challenge. The word used in 1 Cor 15:5-8 for "appeared" is ὤφθη which is the aorist passive form of horao. Note how this word doesn't _necessarily_ mean "to see with the eyes." ὁράω 1. to see with the eyes 2. *to see with the mind, to perceive, know* 3. to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience "horáō - properly, see, *often with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception)."* Here is how Paul describes his conversion experience. Gal. 1:16 _"God revealed His Son in me."_ 1 Cor 15:8 _"Last of all, he appeared (ὤφθη) to me"_ Now, without appealing to the gospels or Acts, and given the fact that the word ὤφθη didn't necessarily indicate a physical appearance, how exactly are the descriptions Paul gives evidence that he really saw Jesus? The point of this question demonstrates that one must beg the question and assume the appearances were veridical when what Paul actually says, provides no evidence for this (due to the equal likelihood that these were imaginary/mistaken experiences that had nothing to do with reality). Paul uses the same verb ὤφθη for every "appearance" in the list and makes no distinction in regards to their nature. In order to assume the appearances were veridical/physical then one must appeal to the later gospels and Acts but that is supposed to be excluded due to Licona sticking with the earliest Pauline evidence.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Never use the words "my brain" when discussing visions, dreams and mysticism. Always use the words "supernatural" or "spiritual".

[@aspektx]

@@JamesRichardWiley I'm curious as to why you suggest this.

[@evidencebeforefaith5304]

Wow! This video is sending me straight to Patreon to support this channel. This is such a good breakdown of all the claims and assertions these apologists are making. It’s nice to see the actual source material presented to know what the evidence actually says. Paul, I love how calm and gracious you stay in your replies. It’s such a stark contrast from the way some of your critics speak such as Gary Habermas and Bill Craig. They might not act this way if they had a solid foundation for their morality.

[@philarmstrong3765]

Paul does great work, and he's the Velveteen Rabbit of You Tube atheists.

[@michaelsommers2356]

One day Caesar was in Gallia Cis Alpina (what we consider---but the Romans didn't---northern Italy), and the next day he was in Italy. Since the Rubicon forms the border between those two regions, he must have crossed it. The significance is that by entering Italy under arms, he effectively declared war on Rome.

[@williambecker5811]

I don't think Gary Habermas should get to talk about "the data" until he actually makes his data available. You know, like any actual academic institution or journal would require of someone. It's pretty telling that his brand of dishonesty or at best obfuscation is allowed in Christian circles without being called out on it.

[@jacoblee5796]

Exactly! Gary is a clown, i will never understand why people like him or take him seriously!

[@Paulogia]

Excellent point

[@mrmaat]

How many years has it been?

[@williambecker5811]

@@mrmaat I'm not sure. Maybe in 2,000 there will be another theologian who can put together the minimal facts argument for the existence of Gary Habermas's data.

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

@@williambecker5811 That comment deserves more than a mere thumbs up. I give you a “lol” as we’ll!

[@jennifer97363]

Paul, you are as honest as the day is long. You obviously meticulously research your subject. When you honestly make a mistake, you admit it. These apologist heavyweights are paying attention because what you present is solid, your mind is like an information steeltrap and therefore a real threat. Love the channel, fellow Canadian 😊

[@Paulogia]

I don't know that I can live up to any of that, but thank you Jennifer.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

"Distinguished" and "Liberty University" is the most lol thing I've heard all week.

[@headnsand9353]

Who said that?

[@andreaferrara1969]

It's amazing to me how willing they are to accept these late stories, and simultaneously ignore the same evidence for any other religion. Almost like arguing the evidence isn't their real goal.

[@Slum0vsky]

The lifestream guy that imitates Paulogia is such a bad impersonator, his face moves and his hair isn't tussled! ;) Seriously, Paul, props for making efforts even if they make you feel uncomfortable!

[@Paulogia]

heh

[@AzukaTheGoat]

Watch out Paul! They might accuse you of lying and have to apologise.

[@ronaldharris6569]

They never apologize because they will never admit a mistake

[@eggs8021]

@@ronaldharris6569 and you'd think APOLOGISTS would be good at apologising lol

[@jangohemmes352]

I really applaud the stepping up to their arena where to fight them with their own scripture. But damn this is really hard to keep focus on, I'll continue to struggle through this

[@ronaldharris6569]

Yup dealing with grownups babbling about fairytales takes patience

[@pansepot1490]

It’s nerdy stuff. Either you like this sort of things or not. It’s like grownups babbling about the Force in Star Wars. Only difference Star Wars is fiction, Christianity exists in the real world and heavily influences it.

[@pollypockets508]

Paulogia getting the James's wrong is like saying that I called Professor Umbridge Agatha instead of Dolores and therefore Harry Potter us true. Smh

[@zombierobbie-me1je]

lol

[@bodricthered]

Nah... It's more like just spelling her name wrong.... You're giving them too much credit...🙂

[@pollypockets508]

@@bodricthered lol

[@johngleeman8347]

Crossing the Rubicon river and seeing someone that was brutally killed rise from the dead. Eh pretty much equally improbable I'd say. :p

[@Luubelaar]

Right? I mean, how many armies have ever crossed rivers?? Pffft. Like that ever happened. Oh wait...

[@Thundawich]

​@@Luubelaar Not to mention that we know caesar was north of the rubicon, then shortly after was south of the rubicon, and the only other way into italy proper was a multiple months long march that wouldn't fit into the timeframe. Even if there was no references to caesar crossing the rubicon in the entirety of historical writings we could still very confidently assert that he did it anyway.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The walking dead, earthquakes, vicarious redemption, and a famous, recently crucified preacher walking around Jerusalem showing off his wounds to satisfy the unbelievers. Sounds like religion.

[@c.guydubois8270]

Paul your calm demeanor, valid and sound arguments defeat the OLD claims without evidence. Your extensive biblical knowledge make this look easy. Thank you.

[@smickos]

Fantastic video, Paul! Well researched and not afraid call out your mistakes. Brilliant rebuttal.

[@DaviniaHill]

"Associate professor of theology at a Christian university" could be an argument from authority but having credits in imaginary nonsense at a joke university is not really an authority.

[@tetsujin_144]

I shudder to think that there was a brief time in my childhood that I thought a Christian university might be the right choice...

[@SanjeevSharma-vk1yo]

Professor of what? Are there professorships on how to get red in the face with people who have a different view of evidence?

[@jhill4874]

Not just a Christian university, but LIBERTY University. A quack school, the nicest I can refer to it.

[@howdoyouknow1218]

They are no different than anyone studying the Greeks or romans and their mythology, for example. They just still think it’s real.

[@ApocryphalDude]

Authority on Nonsense....

[@veganatheistandmore]

Oh baby! I'd been waiting for this video!! Saw part of the original one and you can see that they are but hurt because you point out their nonsense, as you beautifully did so today! Thanks for your work, Paul!!

[@Paulogia]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@lvangirardi]

Love your work, Paulogia. Always so precise and honest.

[@drlegendre]

LOOK WHO'S ABOUT TO BREAK 70K SUBS! Almost six months ago, I predicted that Paul would reach 100K by summertime, and by the look of things, that's still completely do-able. Çongratulations, Paul!

[@Paulogia]

I'll need you to spread the word.

[@drlegendre]

@@Paulogia As of this writing, May 2nd, 72.3K. Progress is steady, but it's currently too slow to break 100K by summer's end. What's it going to take, to bring in a rush of 25K? The channel is worth all of that and more.

[@SiganQ]

Much love to you, sir. Thank you for the upload. This is important, and I appreciate you deconstructing these arguments

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Thanks to Godless Engineer covering a (different) section of this Habermas/Licona performance, I got to see them beat down twice this evening!

[@Paulogia]

He did a great job.

[@mathgod]

This channel is so well done I would have guess Paulogia had 670,000 followers.

[@Paulogia]

Would be nice... but I'm glad you're here!

[@MrGrumblier]

There are thousands of people alive today who believe that they saw Nelson Mandela's state funeral on TV in the 80s. Belief isn't the same as knowledge.

[@taylorlibby7642]

You are so much more graceful with those that bear false witness against you than I'm able to be. It's a very good example to emulate.

[@robsquared2]

I know we all like zombies, but jesus didn't quite manage it.

[@Slanghappy]

Awwww :( It would've been so coooo'..

[@bellezavudd]

Wanna be, tryna be ... Still, christ be clutching for fresh undiseased brains to infect.

[@JayMaverick]

My knowledge of this book of myths is better than yours! Therefore god. Pay me now kthxbye

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The Bible quotations that Christians offer in response to serious questions about reality sound ridiculous to me.

[@Marniwheeler]

Great video. You are knocking it out of the park lately. Thank you.

[@Paulogia]

I appreciate that!

[@CommieApe]

A tag team debate with you and Matt would be so great!!!

[@pvthitch]

When I was a Catholic boy, we learned that St. Peter was crucified upside down so as to not shame Jesus.

[@bdf2718]

I was taught he was crucified by Australians.

[@headnsand9353]

@@bdf2718 I was told he was crucified by carpenders.He was making them look bad.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

Me too! Except I was a girl.

[@omaralyafai2368]

Paul, whatever you do, never lose that intro. I love it, so charming. Whats the name of the Irish song in the intro if you don't mind me asking?

[@Paulogia]

It's an old hymn, "In Christ Alone"

[@omaralyafai2368]

@@Paulogia the irony 😭😭😭, thanks

[@DonQuixote03]

@@Paulogia Ha! I knew it was a hymn, just couldn't quite put my finger on it. Now tell us who sings the "Ham and eggs" theme.

[@ericpierce3660]

@@DonQuixote03 Oh no. Now 'ham & eggs' is gonna run through my head all afternoon. Thanks a lot.

[@DonQuixote03]

@@ericpierce3660 😂😂

[@aspektx]

Habermas is really touchy. The comment "little ideas" was really unnecessary and shows a level of frustration that is not equivalent to the threar.

[@laurameszaros9547]

Great piece again Paulogia, I'm learning a good deal from you.

[@KD-hi6hh]

Thank you so much for responding to this ! My blood boiled when I watched Licona and Habermas slamming you (us) , lol ...I actually like Licona but that Habermas is full of it and himself ....

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

I like Licona too. I was impressed with his comments on Paulogia. Which came as a surprise to me. The only other time I’d come across him was a debate with Matt Dillahunty where (from memory) he believed at face value stories of garbage can lids levitating and used that to support the idea of the supernatural existing and therefore concluding it’s reasonable to think other unevidenced supernatural claims are believable. It was such a weird debate. It’s like trying to justify the idea that Superman is real, and arguing that you heard that the Hulk and Harry Potter are real and you believed those things because it was a rumour you heard, therefore its fair to assume Superman is also real. Anyway, I had an incredibly low opinion of him after that debate. But I’ve seen him in a couple of things since. I could hardly be further from him regarding what I consider to be good evidence and justified beliefs, but he seems to be consistently fair. This seems to be true in his comments here about Paulogia. I have extremely low expectations of apologists so when one acts reasonably I’m impressed.

[@KD-hi6hh]

@@JohnSmith-fz1ih Well said! I saw that debate too, the one with the garbage can lids etc... lol

[@curtis1905]

I have a hard time not internally applying intention when they choose to pick apart your live performance as opposed to your thoughtful scripted videos. I always appreciate that you point out your own flaws or mistakes after the fact.

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

To be fair, this is a human instinct. Paul made a couple of errors in his live stream, and I think a couple of other spots where he could have worded things more clearly. These slips don’t happen nearly as much in Paulogias usual videos because he appears to be very careful in what he says and how he says it, and he can double check his facts before publishing. I am somewhat sympathetic to the theists hearing what they consider to be unfair portrayals of the facts and wanting to correct those. I am far less sympathetic when that initial reaction is passed. By the time their response video was made there was plenty of time for the theists to have calmed down, thought more rationally, and to research Paul’s other videos to see if he is just a loose canon putting inaccurate information into the public sphere, or if he is a genuine and honest actor that misspoke in the course of a live call. My feeling is Mike Licona had a fair assessment of what Paul said. But Gary Haberdash (yes I know that’s not how his name is spelt, but if he couldn't be bother learning how to pronounce Paulogia I can’t be bothered looking up how to spell his name) - what a douche that guy is. Bad faith actor. Dishonest. Petty. The list goes on.

[@curtis1905]

@@JohnSmith-fz1ih Agreed.

[@timbrubaker1787]

@@JohnSmith-fz1ih Ok, I usually get kind of annoyed at the make-up-silly-names-for-your-opponent thing that happens on both sides but, you're right, Gary Haberdash totally deserved that for being so petty.

[@sannakji]

You’re great live. Don’t doubt your presence!

[@Paulogia]

I appreciate that

[@josephpatterson2513]

What is great about all these critiques of Paul is that these apologists are directing Christians to Paulogia to be informed about counter arguments to the standard apologetic propaganda. Many Christians will not see the poor apologetic arguments, but some will see your videos, begin to doubt, and free themselves from false beliefs. Keep up the good work.

[@Uhdksurvhunter]

Love your videos Paul! Very informative!

[@erisculpepper8867]

For 80% of my life, I would have argued the same as they did. Now, like yourself, I need proof, evidence... and I don't find/see it. Have learnt so much from your videos: answers to certain questions and ideas of how to research better. Thanks, mate. PS: You point out your mistakes (which makes you even more credible). If I were in a debate (about anything)..... I would be absolute rubbish. You did a brilliant job.

[@spacedoohicky]

You're popular with theists Paulogia. It's a sign you should continue on as usual.

[@Ryansghost]

Even these renowned Bibble scholars are just frightened kids. Well illustrated, Paul.

[@ericconard7718]

You just keep accurately pointing out the exceptionally flawed foundations of their positions. This, in turn, seems to be resulting in increasingly subjective, overly emotional, personal attacks. When confronted with overwhelming, logical critiques to their logic, emotion and wounded pride overwhelm.

[@dhawk4480]

Thoughtful, entertaining, and enjoyable 👍

[@FrenchyMcFrys]

Best and most true liars are the ones willing to become martyrs... that’s truly going the distance if you think about it...

[@taylorlibby7642]

Self delusion is a helluva drug

[@markvonwisco7369]

Two words: Joseph Smith.

[@markhackett2302]

@@markvonwisco7369 Or one day: Sept 11th, 2001. Did it prove Allah is the One True God?

[@kayb9979]

@Blue Heron The "sense of honour" is a huge motivation for death in several societies. it would be interesting to find out what form it took in the ancient Middle East.

[@Nocturnalux]

@Blue Heron Yes. This is very often the case in shame societies where death is preferable to facing social ostracism.

[@moknbyrd]

I enjoy how calm and precise Paul is in his rebuttal. No name calling. No accusations. Just facts.

[@greyback4718]

Great work, pleasure to watch!

[@ithrynluin2637]

Well done. Great post 📫

[@strzyga83]

Imagine scenario: We have spiderman comics and Peter Parker in them. We might have had in 70's journalist in NY USA named Peter who was doing some photo coverage and died (say natural causes). Now we have a comic books covering a hero, rescuing tons of people and doing great deeds. Comic books gain cult status in some fringe teenager groups. They quote it, prove how story there its better than filthy and scary times they live in (judea was under roman occupation, there were number of failed uprisings/revolts). Some of them finds this Peter from old photos and start to claim this was real Peter Parker, which is ridiculed, but part of the group accepts it as they find the group compelling/strong/giving shelter. Some of them break in to houses or stores to steal less obtainable comics for group as a signature of deep faith. One of them is arrested and put to jail. Dies in jail stabbed for unrelated reason. Followers say he died for his beliefs. BOOM a martyr.

[@peterriverajr6899]

My great great grandfather was named Peter Parker

[@cystictostrong1215]

You should do more live discussions to get better at it. Do a live Q&A, that would be awesome.

[@richunixunix3313]

Paulogia, your going to find it HARD keeping up with the number of James's. As Josephus had no less that 30+ named in his work....such a daunting task. quick reference: The name (from Ancient Greek Ἰάκωβος (Iákōbos); Hebrew יַעֲקֹב‎ (Yaʿăqōḇ)) appears 38 times in the New Testament. the plot thickens

[@john-uk9dj]

I am Jacob from the UK and i can say Paul and matt treated with the upmost respect thank you Paul!

[@jeffsole8653]

another well done vid. congrats!

[@bugsby4663]

The Rubicon was the border into Italy and once Caesar had crossed it with an army, he was breaking the law. For him to get to Rome he would have had to crossed the Rubicon.

[@MrCyclist]

Paul, you have made the Big Leagues. It is time for your book to be written and published. Pleaseeeeeee!

[@Paulogia]

Interesting

[@myopenmind527]

Seems like it’s bash Paulogia month. Sadly for the second time this month we have discovered that Paulogia is human and as Mike Licona said himself we all make mistakes during live conversations. This is true of Gary Habermas even though he has less insight in to his own shortcomings in this regard. On deeper analysis Paulogia is again shown to be truthful, intellectually honest and didn’t misrepresent anyone. Academic integrity intact. 👍👏🏻

[@jeremymacklem2510]

Btw.....Paul....it would appear from the last month or so....you are officially "on the radar" of the big boys of apologetics. You must be making sense and waves in the ranks. 😎👍

[@Paulogia]

so it would seem

[@headnsand9353]

It's like parents in the 50's getting worried about their children being taken away by that evil rock n roll music.Just replace the word"parents"with apologists.And instead of "rock n roll"-atheists.

[@sbushido5547]

I think the most tiring thing about this sort of discussion is when they reference some other historical event/text that we generally accept and proclaim that we're treating the bible unfairly in comparison. They always seem to forget that no one thinks the fate (or existence) of their eternal soul is based on whether or not Caesar crossed the Rubicon. If people were attending Universities of Truthology and getting degrees pertaining to the divinity of Caesar, maybe the historicity of the events of his life would be treated with added scrutiny, given that they would, in that case, presumably share the page with fantastical and uncorroborated stories about the man.

[@EverettVinzant]

Watching this Monday morning, I get that same feeling I get after brushing my teeth and using mouthwash... it’s like the whole world is clean and minty fresh... 9 out of 10 dentists recommend Paulogia ;)

[@tonydarcy1606]

Removes all plaque from the soul.

[@PhullyNo1]

Well stated Paul, this clears things up nicely.

[@tetsujin_144]

You know this reminds me of a story I heard (actually, just made up just now) about a man whose wife was wanted by the mafia for stealing money. The mafia caught the man but couldn't find his wife. They were convinced that the wife stole the money and that the husband knew where she was and where she'd hidden the money. So they tortured him for hours, demanding that he tell them where she was, where the money was, and he just kept saying over and over that she never stole anything from them, and that, hearing the mafia was after her, that she'd fled the country and gone to South America. The mafia were unconvinced, so they went right on torturing him and demanding the information. Finally, he got the ultimatum - give up the info, or die. The man continued to claim his wife was innocent, and far away and out of reach, so they killed him. Immediately afterward, the mafia recognized their mistake. This man so believed that what he said was true that he was willing to die for it. The only sensible conclusion under the circumstances was that he'd been telling the truth, so they stopped looking for his wife.

[@jordansean18]

Whenever we talk about Thomas and Andrew I get thinking we're talking about the Opening Arguments podcast 😅

[@MicheleGardini]

"In none of those ancient accounts does anyone come out and say they saw Ceasar cross the Rubicon" Well, armies sometimes have to cross rivers, and Caesar coming back to Rome had to cross the Rubicon, cause was on his path. Nobody asserted he did flying or teleporting, and Rubicon was and still is a small river. The importance of the passage of Rubicon for history is Senate extablished no roman general could pass the Rubicon with his troops in the way to Rome, so Caesar started the civil war with that passage. So there is no special or supernatural implication about crossing the Rubicon. Resurrection, well, how can I explain...

[@kevinqwen221]

You're awesome. I'm learning from you.

[@thomasdoubting]

Good on Paulogia to have these professional lobbyist in a sweat! ☺👍

[@Paulogia]

Never let them see you sweat.

[@dacritter8397]

Brother Paul, when in those live interactions - just slow down, take pauses, and breathe so you may speak deliberately and confidently as you do in your videos. That was a trick which assisted me in public speaking more than anything else. It may help you as well.

[@link064]

The witness martyr apologetic is even weaker since any proof used to claim its efficacy could equally be applied to Jospeh Smith and any counter-apologetic could also just as easily be used to counter any apologetic about the resurrection. In fact, we have significantly better evidence that Joseph Smith died for his beliefs, that he claimed to have seen things, and that he was given a plethora of opportunities to recant his beliefs. Either these men should be Mormons or they are applying their own standards unequally.

[@suziwolf4830]

The latter is sort'a their stock in trade, so...

[@MrWaz888]

Keep up the good work Paul. Really enjoy your work. If you ever need beer I owe ya one for all the content you make.

[@Paulogia]

cheers!

[@bullwinkle5445]

I know Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Because the 13th Legion showed up in Rome followed Shortly by the arrival of Caesar. I cant say the date or time he crossed but I have positive knowledge he crossed because well there he was in Rome.

[@elainejohnson6955]

I have trouble "keeping up with the James's" too! Good thing it isn't about "keeping up with the Jones's".

[@ramigilneas9274]

Omg... this will never end.😅

[@KLanio-lr8yv]

So... Immortality. Unlocked

[@jerrydoyle5622]

Awesome work Paul!!

[@Paulogia]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Paul, it bothers Gary, good job, your doing good work, 👍

[@carlwheezer1030]

Loved this episode of axp and glad to see this followup, that call was crazy lol!

[@FredHarvey779]

When they have to lie about you, it means they're scared of you.

[@robinpage2730]

The Paul and Matthew collab we really needed 😂

[@grapeshot]

Yeah I read the diary of perpetua. And talk about somebody that was basically begging and pleading for martyrdom. We're talkin cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[@richardstrong3609]

Good stuff Paul. Well done.