Paver Edge Restraint | Why I Use Concrete

[@yadiratruyenque]

Que bien! Ojalá pueda encontrar un buen equipo de trabajo como el suyo acá en Miami.

[@josephrottina1901]

Always great information brother.👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

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[@jtadams783]

Have you ever tried or considered using geogrid under the pavers, and allowing it to extend out past the edge so that it could be embedded in the concrete restraint? This way it might help strengthen the concrete and also anchor it even better against the paver edge.

[@Ransetsu]

Great tip. I'm going to move all my edging over to concrete.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I would definitely recommend it! ✌

[@beardedcatguitarplus9485]

That turned out beautiful. I want to learn to do that so bad. Makes me wish I could buy the house I’m renting to practice that on. I have a large dirt and gravel driveway along side my entire house I’d love to do a fancy design just like that. Keep up the great work.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you, it is a very good skill to learn for sure. Maybe you will have the opportunity someday ✌

[@patrickdoherty723]

Nice video whole project looks brilliant

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you! ✌

[@joefowler9600]

here in the UK, concrete haunching against the edging pavers is standard practise. you would only see poly edging restraints used around lawns etc.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Nice, Thanks for the feedback. Glad to hear you guys are doing it the proper way LOL ✌

[@dylanspitz827]

I pulled off my own patio by binge watching your videos. I cannot thank you enough. Now I need to do brick edging around my house for a landscape bed. This isn’t a walkway but just a row of Holland paver bricks with grass on one side and rock on the other side. How do you secure the bricks in a case like this? Concrete? Or just dirt. Any suggestions would be amazing! God bless brother!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

That’s awesome man, I always appreciate the feedback! I hope you are enjoying your patio! As for the edging, I would probably dig a trench that is 2 inches deeper than where you want the pavers to be, fill it with concrete and set the pavers in concrete. That will make it easy to level them and also keep them secure for a long time ✌🏻

[@philippham1593]

Great quality and details as always. I have followed your videos preparing for my patio. Wish you can accept a job in Windham, NH and will definitely have your team worked on mine in a heartbeat.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you, I appreciate the support. I wish I could travel up there, I love New Hampshire... Good luck on the project, I would love to see the end result! ✌

[@ltai0001]

This is awesome. Could you also start with a concrete borders 10 to 12 inch deep 4 to 6 inch wide then work you pavers within the borders?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

You certainly could, but I think it is a bit overkill and it may take away from the look of the pavers. With this method, you can cover the concrete with soil / stone or mulch.... ✌

[@paulsalzarulo3997]

Nice. Praise the Lord

[@tonydalton6756]

Ignore the haters pal. Here in the UK concrete "haunching" is standard practice. If the fall to the edge is large they use Re-bar driven into the ground before applying the concrete. It's the best of both worlds.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thanks brother, I'm glad to hear you all are doing it like pros over there! The rebar driven into the ground is a very good idea.... I appreciate the feedback, God Bless! ✌

[@dinacaldwell7522]

Looks very nice

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you ✌

[@CliffordAllison]

Great Video ! What do you do on a job if you have concrete left over? How do you dispose of it?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you, We pretty much always have scrap concrete of some sort on our jobs. From cuts of pavers and wall block to extra concrete from pours or edging. We typically stock pile it on the site and take it to one of several dump facilities here locally. ✌

[@mikehixson7751]

Great video, I live in south western Canada, how does this perform with frost heave though?

[@stephaniebarlow6701]

Hello, Thank you for your video! I'm doing my own patio and was looking at the plastic edging vs concrete. A couple questions: 1) Can I do concrete edging if my paver is only 2" thick? ***If so, does it go all the way to the top? ***How thick should I make the edging? 2) It looks as though you press it to the apex-side of the paver, how do you cover that and have a clean edge so it doesn't show when finished? I appreciate your input and hope you have a happy new year!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Hi, glad the video was helpful! And yes, I would recommend using concrete even with slightly thinner pavers. You just need to dig a small trench along the edge about 1-2 inches below the pavers but at an angle so you do not undermine the pavers. Then when you install the concrete, trowel it at an angle (45 degrees) from the bottom of the trench to just below the top of the paver. Then whether you use top soil, mulch or stone, you just backfill right over the concrete to hide it. ✌

[@MrRamman04]

I did a concrete edge just like you but it only held up well for about 2 years, maybe because where I live frost beat it up pretty bad

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

There a lot of variables when it comes to the edging methods.... But this is the best method I have come buy, and I have tried a lot.... ✌

[@1365Lucy]

I have a concrete sidewalk I have been thinking about putting pavers on. I thought about using concrete sand on top of the concrete sidewalk for the base of the pavers. In doing so I wouldn't have the rock base you referred to for building the concrete edging on. Would putting the crushed rock on the outside perimeters of the pavers be sufficient for layering the concrete edging on?

[@mikesen2320]

Could you add a 3/8 line of rebar to the concrete edge for more stability ? Like take 1ft piecesvof rebar, and drive them into the ground, then connect a single line of rebar connecting all the 1 footers? Your thoughts on that....

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

You definitely can use rebar, it does nothing but help! I just don't feel that it is necessary, especially driving the strips into the ground, that just won't help much really. If anything it may hurt it... If they shift due to ground movement, it could pop the concrete of the edge of the pavers. Now just laying the rebar horizontally, that definitely helps. It makes all the concrete act as one piece. But again, helpful for sure, just not necessary in my opinion. ✌

[@lorenzomasonry9548]

👍🏼 i do a concrete footing for my pavers

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

May make it stronger, but that can get very expensive on bigger applications ✌🏻

[@lorenzomasonry9548]

yes it makes it stronger and no shifting, i have a concrete gas mixer and plus i buy broken Portland bags for $1 each😁

[@theOriginalRadar]

great information, as usual! I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison of plastic and concrete edging one year later. I'm guessing that with plastic edging the grass grows beside the pavers a bit better?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you. The grass does grow better up against the edge with plastic edging. However, it moves and shifts far more than concrete in my opinion. I see plastic edging failures everywhere I go..... So I always explain that to my customers, that to secure the pavers sufficiently, we use concrete. We install it in a way that will secure the pavers tight with allowing the best chance of grass growing next to it. But I tell them that there is always a chance the grass will not grow within the first few inches. If they don't like that, there is always the option to put a stone apron, small mulch bed with plants, etc.. But the strength of the edging is more important to me than the 3-4 inch gap of grass not growing along the pavers. ✌

[@farmerbond4210]

@@TheChristianHardscaper It might not be cost-effective for a business but if I am doing a DIY paver driveway pad could I use heavy wall steel angle iron for my edge and hammer in rebar spikes deep enough to go all the way through the base into the subgrade?

[@marks926]

@@farmerbond4210 The point of the plastic is to form around the imperfections of the pavers - i highly doubt you have a straight enough run to use angle

[@michaeljmctifue]

Would you feather in some thin set and add fiber mesh. I'm between the aluminum edging or conrete or even forming up a 4" edge slightly tapered. It's a pretty big drop off the edge so I'm not sure if the aluminum edge would work

[@makers721]

Great video. Here in ohio we have a lot of heavy clay under our soil. Would you still advise clean 57s over a mix of rock and dust?

[@jamescoleakaericunderwood2503]

Move

[@animatedstill4729]

I’m doing a paver patio here in Ohio right now and using clean 57. All my research has lead me to that decision. Hoping it works well!

[@makers721]

@@animatedstill4729 good luck!

[@makers721]

@@jamescoleakaericunderwood2503 to where? Ohio seems to be one of the few stable states left in the union

[@jamescoleakaericunderwood2503]

@@makers721 I was just being a smart Alek... I actually enjoyed Ohio when I visited... people are nice there...they used to be nice in California I don't know what the hell happened! LoL.. Took my Son to Canton in 2001 HOF... He moved out of here to Minnesota...

[@krehbein]

5:31 What do you do with the extra gravel, past the concrete edge. Does it stay or get removed. Must get removed, otherwise how would you put grass or plants there.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

So some of that gravel directly to the right is do to over excavation and plan change, that will get removed and replaced with top soil. But there is however a dry well in the back right which is actually designed to catch downspout drainage and excess water from the base of the walkway / steps. Check out the full playlist of this project to see how we built it from beginning to end right here 👉kzbin.info/aero/PLo6xdtKoDxWZyzW5anqFOqwSYNdAxLX6N

[@krehbein]

@@TheChristianHardscaper makes sense, thanks

[@jbonegw]

Did you do the final set with the compactor prior to adding the edge restraint or does that come when adding the joint sand? If it comes when doing the sand does the compactor effect the edging or are there technics you use when compacting near the borders?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

We do our final compact of the pavers after the 1st sweep through of the polymeric sand. Then we sweep through 1 more time to fill in what settled. The best way to do the concrete is to do it when you are polymeric sanding so that the concrete is still wet when you compact the pavers so that you don’t break the bond. With that being said, there are plenty of times where you just have to concrete before poly. At that point, you just be a little easier around the edges when compacting. Even if the bond breaks, the concrete will still hold the pavers back better than plastic edging. ✌🏻

[@jbonegw]

@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks for the info. Love the work you all do. 👍

[@cubul32]

@@TheChristianHardscaper What does it mean to be gentle around the edges? You turn down the force of the machine, by how much? How close to the edge? Btw do you add mdf or a piece of ply over the stones when you compact the poly?

[@neverrestboxinggym]

Perma edge is a great option. 700% more flexible then ready mix concrete, and also 40% more permeable. It is pretty expensive, but I trust it.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

That stuff is definitely very good ✌

[@joe-mar]

Thanks for this video! How long do you typically let concrete edge restraint dry before applying poly sand/tamping? Any thought on reinforced concrete?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

You either do the poly and concrete simultaneously, or do it a day or more after it is hardened. The best way is to do the poly just after you set the concrete. But if that’s not possible, just let it harden up and then poly. Just go a little easier around the edges with your tamper… The reinforced concrete is definitely better, but not necessary. For me, the cost far outweighs the worth. Way to expensive…. If done right, regular concrete will hold just fine✌🏻

[@ericpurcell9984]

@@TheChristianHardscaper now what about using fiber bought off Amazon or a local concrete supply store that sells 1lb bags of 3/4” and then buying the bags of ready mix (do you like the sandier mix or the 1/2” gravel mix… 4,000 psi or 5?) from the box stores for $8 a bag

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

@@ericpurcell9984 Adding fiber will do nothing but help. I haven't found it necessary but if you are willing to do it, im sure it will help. As for the concrete, I just use the regular 80lb "concrete mix" some bags have more gravel than others, but generally pretty consistent. usually $5 - $8 a bag, yes 👍✌

[@imanahmad771]

Hi I am doing my patio, I have two steps. When I am laying the pavers should I start with the steps first and than lay the pavers around it or do the steps at the end.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

It depends on where the steps lay out. If it is right on the edge of the patio, you can do it before or after. In situations like this job, we had to install all of our steps first to establish the heights of the walkways / landings. I would recommend installing the steps before pavers 9 times out of 10, but there is sometimes where installing the pavers before the steps is necessary.... so use your best judgment for your project ✌

[@maverickdoe6984]

Nice work! One question...Do you need that extra couple of feet of bedding stone outside the concrete? Or can that be removed up to the bottom of the concrete so you can put soil all the way up to and covering the concrete? Basically, I want it to look like the paver stones meet the lawn.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

we typically leave about 6 inches of gravel from the edge of the pavers, this particular job was over excavated to include a dry well for the downspouts to drain into. We ended up removing most of the stone to the right down approx. 6 inches and replaced with soil. So yes, you certainly can! ✌

[@maverickdoe6984]

@@TheChristianHardscaper Terrific! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. Helps me a ton!

[@charliecalzadilla6028]

Great teaching. What do you use as joint sant sand when the joint width is less 1/8”? My pavers have nubs and the joint width is more like 1/16”. Ez sand polymeric says minimum width is 1/8th. What do you recommend? Thank you.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

With 1/8 inch joints, I would absolutely use regular polymeric sand. The Easy Joint will not work for joints that tight. Polymeric sand has very fine sand particles in it. ✌

[@charliecalzadilla6028]

Thank you. My joints are more like 1/16 th of an inch. Is there a product you recommend that works well? Thanks.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Still polymeric sand is the best option, a little work getting it in there, but still the best option

[@romniou]

Can i use concrete edging with a Panel Base? I'm planning to use Panel base panel for the patio and concrete seems more cost effective. Also, do you pour the polymeric sand before or after to lay the concrete? When would you wet the sand, before or after the concrete? thanks!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

You can use concrete with the panels but you would need to cut the panels right along the edge of the pavers so the concrete can go past the panels and into the base. That will lock everything in. But with the panels, you can screw or nail edging right into it which will hold pretty well. You would want to do the concrete 1st and let it set before poly sand. Good luck! ✌

[@romniou]

How long after i lay the concrete edging can i lay the polymeric sand. 24 hours? thanks!@@TheChristianHardscaper

[@BoneYardLawnService]

New subscriber nice vid🔥🔥🔥✂️💯

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thank you ✌

[@whymedude88]

Hey good morning, always appreciating your videos very informative and I like the way you take the time to go over everything with everyone on the channel. With this being said I live in Ontario Canada and I’m doing 1200 ft.² at my house in a couple of days. As a matter of fact, the stone will be here tomorrow. I’m a Lone Ranger at my house and this is a fairly big job. Question, Unilock pitch their own fibre mix which is $28 for a 50 pound bag here, vs Lowe’s or Home Depots for $11 for a 60 pound bag . Wondering what your thoughts are regarding which fibre mix to choose. Cheers!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Thanks for the feedback! Sounds like you have a good project on your hands. As far as the concrete edging, if you are ok with spending the extra money, the fiber mix / reinforced concrete will hold better than regular concrete. With that being said, I completely stand by regular concrete. If done right, it will last a very long time. I personally will not spend that much money on a small bag of concrete unless they put gold flakes in it that I can take out... 😂 Just like every other industry, they have very high cost "solutions" that they push you to buy. Just like plastic edging and spikes. Somethings are not worth the money, and I refuse to pay outrageous prices for such basic materials. I have used "extreme-edge" which is a fiber reinforced concrete before on a small patio, costed me 10x what it would cost for regular concrete.... That's why they want you to use it. screw that....

[@whymedude88]

@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks for the info 😃 I will stay with the finer mix from Home Depot much cheaper than Unilocks $28 a bag 😂 I agree screw that!!

[@KGSHEAMASONRY]

I’ve always used concrete as a edging restraint had arguments with many landscapers over this but usually when I go look at a job that has used plastic edging or even steel edging everything has moved

[@bonanzatime]

I've been doing this shit since 1985 and I don't know what world you've been living in.😅 Because that just ain't so.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Totally agree brother, Most are nervous that the concrete will crack or shift but I just have not dealt with that issue. The edging with spikes seem to always be visible and lifted, or sunken and spread open with the border pavers sunken as well. At least with cracked concrete, it still holds the pavers in place good. Once plastic edging looses even a little pressure up against the pavers, it is fail city from there on out... ✌

[@bonanzatime]

@@TheChristianHardscaper I have seen plenty of concrete pavers with concrete edging with the very same issues as plastic and steel edging. It's not the material (most of the time), it's how it's installed that causes the problems. .. You didn't invent using concrete for an edge; believe me. Concrete edge is not the be all to end all. You said you've only been doing that for 4 years now😂 See what it looks like in 10 years!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

@@bonanzatime You hit the nail on the head, It depends on how it is installed. I stand by my work and the edging technique. And again, Plastic / steel edging is not an option with open grade base. And I have been installing pavers on open grade base for 4 years, but been laying pavers for 10. I have used all sorts of edge restraints and in my opinion, concrete is the way to go. If you agree or not, that does not matter. This video was to show how I do it and why I recommend doing it this way. ✌

[@rhewes03]

You should raise your first step so top of paver is right at the bottom of your step. Your losing 2 3/8" on your fist step rise. It's probably 3 5/8'" and the rest are 6". Not trying to be a know-it-all just passing on idea. Looks great, you do nice work!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I know it is tough to tell on camera but that 1st step is set only 1" below the top of paver. So that 1st step is about 5" and the rest are 6". I know what you mean though. Thanks for the feedback! ✌

[@nelsonchavez2211]

What you think of perms edge ?

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I think it is a great product but way to expensive to use on every project. Regular concrete works fine when applied correctly✌

[@murillo16]

How do I reach you for a quote. I live in central mass.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I have an email address linked to my KZbin channel, just follow that and send me an email. I’d be happy to give you a quote ✌🏻

[@l.c.6321]

would like a video on how much to charge?

[@jamescoleakaericunderwood2503]

Materials and labor times 3 Is basic contractor bid... You can come down some for competition purposes... get it

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I will do that someday, I really want to make sure I have everything I want to say about that in order before I do. This particular trade (hardscaping) has a lot to take into consideration and every job varies in different ways. ✌

[@RandomDudeOne]

Not only does concrete work better for an edge restraint it probably is cheaper than using plastic with spikes.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Waayyyy cheaper. They make crazy money of plastic edging and spikes. It has a ridiculous profit margin and that's why they push it so much.... Concrete is the way to go for sure! ✌

[@joemccabe3250]

You shoukd go over the tamping pavers into the open grade and cementing edges in a video. Everyones just shows the finish

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I have quite a few videos on my channel about all my base prep and what i do in every step of the projects. Check out my channel and search around a little, you might find what you are looking for. ✌

[@joemccabe3250]

I didnt see anything about the concrete edging and tamping. One part i see where you tamp a big patio by hand but that is hard to believe you do that for all of them. My main question is do you use a compactor to seat all your blocks into the stone AFTER you concrete your edge. Didnt know if it had to be the same day or would concrete brake off that day. I woukd think you always needs a plate compctor to make sure there is no movement in long run. I did 6” of 57 and 1-1 1/2 inch of #8 and there is a little play in the stones so i woukd think you really need a pkate compactor to properly seat them in. I coukdnt find any info of this in your videos

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I do hand tamp for poly sand pretty often but also use plate compactors / vibratory roller compactors here and there. All those methods however, I stay away from the border pavers because I concrete before poly and I don't want to break the bond. With that being said, when we install the border pavers, we add chip stone and set them slightly lower than the main pavers and lay them with a 1/8 slope so that when we compact the pavers during poly, we can stay away from the border while not worrying that they will be higher than the main pavers. It also allows you to prevent the concrete from separating from the border. If you compact before the edge restraint and go over them, they will all shift way to much and you will end up having to fix the entire border....✌

[@joemccabe3250]

Thats exactly what i was looking for. Thanks man!

[@romasrimas2191]

We hope u will show us for all viewers someday how u using plate compactor for your careful edging work 🤭 Thanks for your time which u spending for us... 🤙

[@bonanzatime]

Concrete edging does not turn under the paver edge, therefore it is not integral. It will move separately and independently to the pavers. Therefore over time the pavers and concrete edge will separate and shift apart. .. The best edging is plastic and has a lip that slides under the sand bedding and on top of the compacted 21A compacted base nailed in with spikes. That way the edging is tied in with the paving and will move together keeping it held tight together. ... Been doing this since before you were born, and done it every way imaginable. Except I will say I never used that #57.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

I know exactly what type of edging you are talking about. While it is better than your typical plastic edge restraint, I still don't agree that it is better than concrete. And like I mentioned in this video, You cant use regular steel spikes in open grade base, they will not hold. To go even further, I will never use dense grade and sand as my paver base again. This open grade base technique is far superior in my opinion, and I used the traditional dense grade / sand and plastic edging for years before I switched. This Open grade base technique is just better in so many ways. The concrete does not separate from the pavers like you are saying it does with this technique. The reason it does when you use the dense grade / sand method is because both of those materials hold onto water like a sponge, cause movement, shifting and heaving throughout the regular season and even more throughout the winter. With the clean stone under the pavers, there is significantly less water in your base material, preventing the pavers from moving. Final thought, even with the plastic edging with a lip, there is no material in this world that migrates and shifts more than sand does, there is no plastic edging out there that can prevent the bedding sand from migrating under / through it. You may have been doing this for a very long time, that does not change the fact that this is a better technique. I have a little over 4 years now using this technique on more than 75 installs and no call backs or repairs yet, I will never go back to the old traditional method of laying pavers like the majority still are......✌

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Here is a link to a video I made which explains the base technique I use in more detail if you are interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHXIZKeDj7aMa9E

[@bonanzatime]

@@TheChristianHardscaper Ok, you may be right about using that #57 stone with that smaller clean stone bedding will drain everything better, and that reduces overall movement by keeping it generally drier, but unless the base goes down to the frost line, which I seriously doubt that it does and shouldn't, then there will still be movement. 4 years so far, means everything you've done that way is still 'new'. After 10 years, then I would be completely sold on it.. I wish you good luck on your experiment. Nothing better than proving the experts wrong.😉

[@bonanzatime]

@@TheChristianHardscaper ......Also, that PaveEdge restraint does not sit on top of the bedding sand. You scrape the bedding sand away and spike/nail the edging directly onto the compacted 21A base. After you slide the lip beneath the paver edge AND bedding sand. Then plate compact the pavers down into the bedding sand. It is Very Strong.. Any sand bedding migration is negligible. It can't go anywhere.

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

This method is being used by a lot more contractors than you think. It certainly is not an experiment, most paver manufacturers here in new england are recommending open grade base more and more because of all the advantages. Water drains better, quicker prep time and you can get poured on overnight and the job site will be fine to work on in the morning. We will just have to agree to disagree man.✌

[@jamescoleakaericunderwood2503]

Use a flat head shovel in a wheelbarrow... DUH....

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

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[@harryfandakis2339]

Amateur stuff ! The concrete WILL certainly break and crack , and also it looks terrible because the edge is NOT uniform... take it from a project manager who will never approve such installation... this is good only for those who simply DONT Know how to properly install edging properly!!!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

🤣 I never did like project managers… full of hot air, I would tell you to get of my job site

[@harryfandakis2339]

@@TheChristianHardscaper Response of an amateur ... learn my friend...learn...

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

Project managers are suckers for sales pitches. That’s why you think plastic / metal edging is better. Those companies make a lot of money based on people like you falling for their sales strategies. My methods come from experience, have you ever actually built a project like this or have you always just showed up, walked around and made silly speculations on other peoples work? My guess is you have not ever built a project like this…

[@harryfandakis2339]

@@TheChristianHardscaper My friend ;1) You spoke too soon ; I am a civil Engineer by Profession moving to project Management in the last 15 years ; currently working for the biggest construction company down under - I am working in the commercial arm of the company - High rise buildings... Also when I was studying I worked every summer as a brickie's labourer so rest assured I understand the trades very well indeed, and can lay a few bricks and pavers ...enough said 2) I never encouraged the use of any plastic edging - This is your deduction ... what I said was that concrete edging without any metal reinforcement will crack with time (which is true) and it will look quite ugly... if you understood otherwise, not my fault.. For your information the best , and the ONLY method that will stand the test of time is the installation of edge pavers laid properly with the appropriate substrate ... (if you want to know what is the best substrate I can gladly tell you if you ask me !!!) Have a lovely week and good luck with your jobs !!!

[@TheChristianHardscaper]

@@harryfandakis2339 I think you need to re look at your initial comment because that is not what you said at all. Don't expect people to respond politely when you approach them with hostility. That is a silly expectation. I give no respect when none is given to me, regardless of your "credentials". I have no need for your opinion on my projects, you can keep them for the company that is paying you for them. Have a nice week as well ✌