Pax Dei MMO is Better Than We Expected

[@Crazy_Neopolitan]

If this has an MMO concept, I see it having the same problem as a lot of the "survival mmos do". New player joins, gets chased out and griefed by other toxic players. Playerbase dies within 3 months.

[@Hamurator]

Like EVE Online Pax Dei is divided in different security areas and in the high sec it's not possible for players to attack other players or destroying their buildings. Well, as a lot of devs were working on EVE Online in the past, expect Pax Dei a fantasy approach of EVE Online.

[@angelodistefano6068]

This will be decided once they show PvP. I definitely have this worry at the top of my list, especially because the devs are planning on making PvP and PvE players need each other, and if PvP players get chased out, that would probably make the world for PvE players seem too empty. I actually think most forms of griefing can be solved by adding systems that prevent it, except for teaming, since the game can’t monitor people from different clans going into discord calls to coordinate traveling in larger groups than intended. There’s a part of me that would prefer having one PvP zone in the world that acts as if you’re queuing up like a match in a looter shooter game to prevent most forms of griefing, This would most likely solve teaming at the very least, but it would take away the feeling of “open-world PvP”, but is it honestly worth keeping that open-world immersion if you can just get rid of griefing entirely?

[@angelodistefano6068]

@@HamuratorI still think that it is possible to grief in PvP zones, even if both players consent to PvP by entering the zone. If PvP zones are full of gigantic groups camping POIs and escape routes, ganking smaller groups/solo players, or just the classic “level 80 player mauling the level 40 player because they have better gear”, the PvP player base could still die, which in turn will make the PvE content feel less meaningful, because what’s the point of having a crafting profession to craft gear if nobody’s gonna buy my gear?

[@Dangerous1939]

@@Hamurator I never played EVE but this is basically the same concept that Albion online has, right? (With green, yellow, red and black zones for different levels of danger and pvp regulations)

[@Athasin]

PVP is relegated to specific zones, so players cant be chased out or griefed.

[@TheCaptn]

I think there's a risk to the concept. Survival games take a solo character or small group out of their own civilized society and let them start over. But if your Survival MMO feels busier than a civilized Social MMO that could be a hard vibe to sustain.... Like shipwrecking on a desert island with all 2000 passengers on a cruise liner.

[@wobblysauce]

When everyone has a role things proceed

[@Azazel-uv3sx]

This could be alleviated with multiple servers, no?

[@daruthebeast]

I mean, you can base it on conan exile, people can get to build big castels anyway

[@mezmerizer0266]

Why would it need to be an mmo?

[@zxcv97]

He needs to play Tarisland the WoW killer instead of this Ark clone MMO

[@DeaXi69]

Picking up rocks adds to immersion? You know what else adds to that? Running out of stamina :D

[@byteresistor]

And taking a dump.

[@weed1329]

You wouldn’t run out of stamina to the point where you can’t move, by swinging a relatively small axe about 30 times, unless you’re really unfit.

[@everlonggaming1966]

​@@weed1329i feel attacked :)

[@weed1329]

@@everlonggaming1966 Dw, most of us aren’t fit even though we should be. Went woodcutting recently and it is tough, no doubt about it. But not ”swing it 5 times, paralyzed, wait 5 seconds, repeat” tough

[@rhawkas2637]

I was thinking the same thing when I heard him say that. XD

[@raptorthefirst]

I don’t know, kinda feels like I’ve already seen this concept multiple times before. Like it’s a medieval survival game with ability to team up with other players.

[@Kenshiken]

I agree. Nothing inspiring or original about this "game".

[@rcane6842]

I can't think of any new features this game brings to the table compared to like, say, Conan Exiles

[@jaleshere]

Yep kind of bored before I even hit an hour in, but maybe it'll work out?

[@Fighting_Gravity]

this game is literally just the survival kit you can buy in the UE5 store to make your own rpg.

[@bits360wastaken]

Yep. Assetflip graphics meet template mechanics.

[@Hyperi0nn]

You still have to put it together correctly for it to be good.

[@OMGclueless]

@@Hyperi0nn Maybe so, but it's a giant red flag for me because it provides zero evidence at all they can execute their own gameplay ideas or artistic vision. Just that they can pay a skeleton crew to throw together enough gameplay for a marketing push.

[@unityman3133]

@@OMGclueless its an alpha and they have there building mechanics already in place. How about you do some research

[@dwightk.schrute8696]

@@OMGclueless one more red flag and I'm calling the game Comrade Pax Dei.

[@MarioThemesong]

I dunno if this has been mentioned or not, but the way they could implement groups being needed for mass farming is to have something like multi-person carts that take 2-4 people to haul (4-16x) amount of material. As you upgrade the cart, or as a part of cumulative strength stats between players, you can carry more. Just an idea I randomly got while thinking about "more people required" - incentive to farm as groups...

[@Aly-l-Axy]

On top of this, to fix the stamina on gathering if the devs dont want to completely remove the concept is simply make sweetspots (like those in fortnite) that if accurately hit, doesnt drain stamina

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

People gotta stop falling for the UE5 graphics porn. Ooooh a field of grass. Oooh a bunch of trees with sunshafts. The rock cracking thing isn't a dynamic destructible asset, it's just changing out the art as you hit it, followed by an animation. This is just a Valheim clone. Just play that.

[@cubiss1273]

The video didn't show anything exciting really, yeah. But if they manage to make a Valheim clone work at scale, it's gonna be a banger

[@krixtorei]

Quite sure Asmon confused grass being drawn/rendered in the distance as the player gets closer with grass dancing in the wind. People loved to trash talk previous UE versions and even Unity but there are plenty of great looking games out there made in those... alongside many horrible looking ones too. The limitation has long shifted from tech to human design/effort. UE5 by itself, without experienced hands in charge, isn't special.

[@cimerea]

Looks like this is gonna be the economy centered MMO rather than leveling to raid type MMO.

[@fffx2]

Based

[@markandrewclearwater]

It's not an MMO

[@sarafiter]

but it is@@markandrewclearwater

[@Cool-123]

I’d say it’s definitely more raid like, as a player raiding NPC bases is far better resource wise than going out and mining. Though definitely will have a strong econ

[@Thunderfist44]

​@markandrewclearwater it's not an mmorpg, it is, however, an mmo

[@fella11814]

I can say that in Valheim the one reason they allow stamina to deplete outside of combat is because if you get caught off guard sprinting/gathering etc. by an enemy, you're somewhat likely to get fucking face rolled as you'll be unable to dodge or block. That doesn't mean it's a fun mechanic, but it kind of makes sense in that pseudo-"realistic" mode of play that you have to be aware of it all the time at least.

[@ArborusVitae]

Stamina management in Valheim always had a Dark Souls-ish feel to me where you need to very aware of your stamina if you're in a dangerous area so you can sprint/roll/parry if you need to.

[@TheTwober]

The reason why there is usually no terraforming in such games is that all that data needs to be transferred to every client that visits the area. And that is a source of lag that can be easily removed.

[@AllanRamires1988]

if you move your character from point A to point B it's also data being transferred to every client, isn't it? Is it any different when it comes to environmental changes?

[@TheTwober]

@@AllanRamires1988 It is not different from an amount of requests, and since that scales exponentially it is one of the reasons many games either limit the amount of players in one location or begin to stutter. The difference is the volume of data that has to be transferred though, which is obviously much lower for singular vectors.

[@Kytharion]

Would be cool to see how big of a city can be built tomorrow. Having other players as guards or dungeon raiders while the rest make the armor and over time naturally a society grows and people find thier niche.

[@pvpminer9007]

I got access to the alpha and our clan already build a small city withing the last 2 days

[@Enryo_tv]

ok now, dont be shy, send the picturesss !!!! @@pvpminer9007

[@majorxxr6753]

@@pvpminer9007 nice, is building the only thing to do? I was interested in the game but since it said it didnt have a combat system I never signed up for alpha.

[@dragongrandmaster]

player controlled buildings in a mmo have seen those enoughmost of them failed

[@Dangerous1939]

@@dragongrandmaster I wouldn't say that player driven economy was the reason why a lot of them failed though. Also there is Albion online, very popular and has a completely player driven economy. Another example is Archeage, where the open world housing was amazing but it failed for various other reasons.

[@Xandranxanda]

Literally looks like every survival game that's come out in the last 10 years with a shinier coat of paint

[@uhhhpvp4691]

facts

[@tree4104]

True, but honestly this tells me more about the quality of the game overall than how fun its going to be to play. If the devs cant make an original looking world, what are the chances they can make a fun world out of a risky concept? Ill play the game if it has these graphics (i dont really care), but only if it is actually successful in the long term past launch, which I highly doubt it will be.

[@flankman9385]

So not literally?

[@kvnbckmn3637]

i know what you mean but there is one major difference in comparison to the other Survival Games coming out. You have static Servers in this game and not self created worlds like in Valheim. This means you go in to a game thats got already a story, Whole Citys build by players and Events or even Quests that are created by players already. You will start like every other survival game alone half naked in the wilderness but the progress of the server and players on this server is no where else like this. Now they havent even mentiont what will added in the future to the combat system or environment storytelling, they only showed us building , gathering and a bit of the map. Its just a Sandbox MMO which ist build completely by players, i think its hard to achieve but if they do it could be a really nice game ! :)

[@perlundgren7797]

@@flankman9385 If KZbin comments have taught me anything, it's that literally everything is literally everything.

[@gogroxandurrac]

15:15 as a baseline, that's fine. As an MMO, whatever that means, again that's a good thing. If there is a means of having ssf or if they're going the usual route survival games take and making it server based, then you should be able to adjust all of that to fit the size you're expecting your server to reach.

[@Accocu]

all players will have role...logistic, farmer, hunter, miner and so on and you get better by doing it and thats so cool because roleplay in this game will be insane...im on test and already clans have roles and are building villages and it looks so nice. ( and huge plus is that render in distance damn it looks too good)

[@elinisguy]

Cool, Can you tell how many people are in your clan (and if there is a limit)? and one thing I was interested is the progression (Now) leaning more towards "New World" or "Rune Scape" difficulty.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Realistic role gatherings and logistics sounds fun on paper and is initially fun to play, until it eventually become easy and then repetitive. So be careful in turning it into chores.

[@Accocu]

@@elinisguy i have seen clans with almost 100 ppl so idk if there is limit, progression is very grindy but its jus starting zone and you grind basic things, it is very grindy and all resurses are important. It is like sandbox medieval survival mmo. So i cnat tell since i am very early in to the grind and this alpha is just for basic grind and building so its hard to tell...overall cool game *Sry for bad English

[@Merivio]

9:00 I mean, you could make it so you can click anywhere in the vicinity of the rocks to pick them all up so that it's not a hassle. One of the most annoying parts of subnautica is how the resources roll downhill and the hitbox to pick them up is so small. So I think auto-collect vs picking them up is more down to how it's executed.

[@8bit_pineapple]

"...buildings limited only by your imagination" me: And Clay.

[@That_Squatch]

Im waiting for an mmo that actually has career routes like an alchemist not just being something everyone can do and so on so its unique to everyone like you could be a pure alchemist and have a skill set based on that with your quests being to find different materials and same could be said with blacksmithing and so on

[@Dangerous1939]

It'd be fine to be able to use every profession but only be able to master one or two of them. (Like you can brew potions but if you are a master alchemist you are faster and more resource efficient, and learn better potions with higher levels. And eventually you can unlock profession related quests

[@Shocknfunk]

There was a game like that. It was Star Wars Galaxies. The 30 professions all had their own part in contributing to maintaining an actual community and infrastructure. Before they inevitably destroyed their whole design after WoW launched.

[@Dangerous1939]

@@Shocknfunk I never played it myself but i've heard a lot of positives about that game when it comes to player driven economy

[@scollins1396]

Sounds like EverQuest 2 back in 2006 or so. Crafting was actually difficult and took a lot of skill and was very specialized.

[@Bitstacker]

Yes dude when runescape and skyrim combines

[@RamArt9091]

With the advent of game engines like Unreal 5 and all what is next to come, I really hope game devs start to lean more towards more stylized visuals. Realistic graphics soon won't be a sales point since everybody will be able to achieve them.

[@JustFeral]

It's ineveitable.

[@ArborusVitae]

Graphics don't need to be a sales point.

[@ratedmark4704]

Ultima Online let you build structures out in the real world - i remember it ran out of real estate and to buy a castle on ebay costed like $1200+ in the late 90s early 2000s.

[@KanedaSyndrome]

For your info, Pax Dei is the medieval crafting survival edition of EVE Online. Also made by the same developers. For people that like Classic WoW and survival crafing games, this game is for you.

[@Silent_Precision]

:O

[@berryvr7184]

6:06 I thought one if the key things in one of the unreal 5 updates was showing off a setting to make trees, bushes, rocks, etc be randomly generated to different shapes, sizes, colour, etc. It even uses AI (don't quote me on that) to know what terrain type you are looking for and place everything in a non-generic way. I'm guessing this game/ game devs didn't take advantage of this? or this setting wasn't out yet.

[@NewYears1978]

UO did housing/structures out in the world first. Still the best MMO ever created.

[@1PNZR]

This could be like a mmo rp type of game. Ppl get roles that actually is shown in the world, like a smith, farmer, builders, hunters, armies, leaders. Could be really fun and in content side for streamers, a fresh type of air instead of linear gta rp.

[@Apelgrandeur]

“I really hope you can break big rocks into smaller ones. It’s more realistic” - Asmongold “I wish companies would stop trying to make games realistic!” Asmongold (in reference to stamina bars and inventory space) This is literally why no developers will ever take you seriously.

[@sett1187]

You're an oddball 😂

[@rallyrobx7604]

You do not get invited to parties much, do you?

[@visoth7791]

You misquoted him. He didn't say it was realistic. He said it could be "cool" and "badass" and "awesome".

[@sett1187]

@@ratecyan you're an oddball xD

[@jaleshere]

@@ratecyannah you're right as on simps are weird as hell

[@Jabagenia]

The game looks great ! The stamina gating isn't that bad and adds a lot to the sense of progression. It is suppose to feel annoying, that way when you upgrade your equipment and can now collect twice as much resource with the same amount of stamina you feel that progress and your hard work improving your efficiency, that way when you get ''God tier'' equipment you can run around and not care about your stamina. This also gives more utility to food, because it rewards you for your understanding of the game. I find most games struggle with decent ''cooking rewards'' and the stamina makes it more interesting and worth investing time in on top of the other usual benefits of buffs. Overall it is annoying, but it adds depth and deeper progression to the game.

[@junofall]

I feel like I've seen this kind of MMO dozens of times over the years.

[@jaleshere]

Yep same

[@Kolljak]

For those complaining about the UI and HUD/Hotbar. all that is just art, art can be replaced moved and even altered. mechanics and things functioning is what maters most. what good is having the perfect UI if your game runs at 10fps and crashes every 5 seconds.

[@GhostManCutlery]

If PvP involves the buildings somehow in terms of siege or destruction, architecture and building in this game will devolve into the ugly Rust/Conan Exiles honeycomb bases, etc. They need to tread a fine line on building freedom so that the world remains immersive and interesting.

[@tersse]

Yep, you can test the group play see how things are with loads of people in the same place, test out combat, farming building crafting as a group, would be great for the developers.

[@fixer187]

An idea is having a builder mode withe tiers unlocking. So you can start building with no resources and it will make plans and inventory what resources is need for example make the foundation, walls, roof, furniture...

[@skywalker00700]

my first impressions is its a placeholder alpha, if i could give away my alpha key, i would

[@Ninjamilk_]

Icarus lets you dig holes into big rocks. But not all rocks. I think its a cool mechanic where it is allowed

[@emerald0129]

I've done that heaps to hide from a storm lol

[@snazzydrew]

I think "Survival MMO" might be the future of MMO. ArcheAge had dope player housing (and bad bad monetization). I just keep seeing so many games in dev right now with a focus on survival mechanics like building and stuff inside of an MMO.

[@Shaojackify]

The Archage beta was soooo good, it really could have been much bigger if they didnt lean so hard into P2W progression mechanics.

[@idontusegmail5342]

yea archage was such a great mmo in the early days sad how they fucked it so hard

[@snazzydrew]

@@idontusegmail5342 if had such good tab targeting combat as well, like it was so crisp and reactive for tab targeting. ArcheAge will go down as the most poorly managed MMO in history because we all know it has crazy potential but decided to go down very weird boring grinding p2w route.

[@Syger]

The Arche Age alpha (and a lesser extent beta) was like peak MMO potential. I’m still butthurt at how brutally that game got fucked basically immediately upon release. :(

[@Dangerous1939]

Archeage was amazing and i loved the housing and economy part. Endgame progression was lackluster as it eventually all came down to "farm massive amounts of gold and get better gear, repeat". It needed proper instanced dungeons and raids that work in combination with professions (Like endbosses dropping soulbound materials you can use to craft a Best in Slot item). I am sad that Ashes of Creation isn't going this way but rather rely on open world dungeons which i think are gonna be a massive gank and grief fest

[@NekuKodoku]

i like how sons of the forest handles stamina while gathering. if you run out, you just get a attack speed debuff. but you are never stopped.

[@shmentz]

07:47 "there's no reason for a person to run out of stamina when cutting down a tree" - a man who never had to cut down a tree before.

[@janniesneed4511]

Pssh, didn't you see him clear his backyard a few years back? Exactly

[@awacry]

He cut one with a sword my man

[@shmentz]

@@awacry Firstly, it was cut down already. Secondly, he was out of breath (stamina ;D) about 3 swings into it. and thirdly and most important, it's a joke, all's good my man

[@ajdhjsnsj6017]

You missed the point it's annoying to deal with in a game

[@S1rSlippy]

guys pizza box room reminds me of my former roommate. upon moving out i ventured into that dungeon and it was like trying to get to the grass after a blizzard you keep swiping away the snow but theres just more. you could not get to the floor. it smelled bad but not as bad as i expected.

[@williamlaprarie3007]

I love building, i wish i got the opportunity test that out. Im trying out ark with the naniye meshing to see how huge structures affect fps and gameplay.

[@patrickmurray3846]

stam not being effected by gathering and other out of combat actions would remove the "survival" from the survival game type.

[@mr_oger]

Having the game revolve around guilds is ok, however i feel that it actually requires more work than solo-friendly approach because now devs need to create a type of content where solo and guild players could meet and work on the same goal so that a player could naturally flow into joining the guild. Otherwise you'll end up with a (exaggerating, obv) "You need to be in a guild to create a character" type of situation, which pretty quickly means ded game.

[@Mickofalltrades]

Persistent world housing is something Ultima online fans have wanted in a new MMO forever. The problem is it's just not viable. UO had maybe 1000 players per server. For modern MMO's that's a drop in the bucket. The world would have to be insanely huge for just 10% of a player base to have a house. Most players would never get to experience a core part of the game.

[@Oxenia01]

Asmongold: you should not have stamina, stamina while gathering is annoying. 10 sec later: I think you should pick up each rock individually after the rock breaks, yeah cuz thats not annoying LOL.

[@jaleshere]

Asmons a little brain dead but it is what it is

[@TobiCreates]

Its like Moral Online 2 but looks like more polished and refined.

[@Deathstar0wannabe]

i think stamina for non-combat should have a use other than just doing stuff. or rather, instead of baseline, it does something extra. like mine something faster or chop wood faster using stamina, or dont and just go lazy mode. and then stamina/effectiveness raises based on a skill or something.

[@Maverrick2140]

rocks falling apart asnd having to pick stuff up definitely is the better version .. also i just hate all the mining that consists out of dinging your pickaxe on a rock and after three hits you magically have the ore in your pocket .. and if its inefficient is determined by how much the result at the end is .. also if you can add some skill to see what to pick up and only take the good rocks and leave the bad ones behind the entire thing also makes a much more sense.

[@Redkoolaid402]

I wish asmon would have gotten into Life is Feudal and created his own city/army.

[@GrisSouris]

Hey mr Asmon, you should take a look at a mod of the game Mount & Blade bannerlord that made a online RP mode. It's called "Permanent Empire" you could love it as a medieval RP game, lot's of fun and vibes that feel lots like pax dei

[@GrisSouris]

( Mount & blade bannerlord 2 )

[@knoblauchscharfkeinmaiskei4834]

5€ if the game dies.😂

[@69moron69]

😢

[@chupasaurus]

A reminder that according to players EVE Online is dying since open beta, they even put the very first forum post with this phrase into 20th anniversary collector's edition.

[@psycho479]

Double it it will die for sure

[@ppokll8524]

All games die. your family died. all living being die. universe died

[@happy_camper]

@@ppokll8524damn bro…

[@Dr_Hoops_McCann]

These new MMO's are like lottery tickets. The chance that it happens is very slim but it's fun to hope and dream .

[@D4niel_EU]

True and with most of their people being former EVE Online devs even more so.

[@richj551]

Showed him running, hitting 1 rock and chopping 1 tree :/

[@ght405]

Id like to see a hybrid gathering system where you can just do the press the interact key and you gather the node or you can toggle to an action gathering mode like games like Fortnite have where you can hit the sweet spots to gather faster for more effort invested

[@sedeslav]

In "Conan Exiles" you don't run out of stamina when you gathering resources. Only in running fast, climbing and combat

[@hishamtakita440]

i think a better stamina managements would be in a form, of reduced consumption rate added to all types of activities' and like woodcutting rather than taking 10 point per a swing it take .0001, this add to all type of action, but reduce the stamina regeneration rate forcing the player to sit rest or do an activates that doesn't require heavy consumption of stamina like in real life

[@huntz3215]

Could have been an option in WoW to develop your own home when the game was stagnant between patches.

[@SkillzthatKillz2011]

​@kennethflaming8606 yea hopefully this game sticks to that and doest try to go into combat tok much, games with this art work never look good in combat scenarios tbh

[@eugenesis8188]

If ive learned anything, survival gameplay does not work in a multiplayer setting unless youre willing to treat the game like a job and you start playing early on. Clans will form. Entire servers will be run by them. Everyone who starts the game after a couple days will be griefed into quitting, or made an indentured servant by the griefers. Now, a survival mmo with seasons might be fun. As long as everyone starts over fairly regularly, it might be less hostile to new players.

[@katshuma]

0:58 for Copa Cola

[@eltarii]

I was wondering where your key went! Glad they found it and I look forward to seeing you play the game! I think you are going to love it!

[@cartermckinney3146]

Crossing my fingers I get invited in the second wave of alpha invites

[@bloodangelz]

Looks so cool! Love building in games like The Forest… to have that in a mmo is awesome. My two fave things

[@Snowman7.Z]

I cant help but to notice its missing two very important sliders for the character creation, they need to fix that before launch.

[@damace3838]

Conan Exiles and Rend(If anyone played that) had the group/clan amounts of mass-gathering-to-get-anything-done type of gameplay with mixed results. Conan eventually added sliders to accommodate single players with resource gathering because it was too tedious. Rend just went under.

[@Anthony-ng5pq]

If this can build on what Archeage tried to do and give a well rounded do anything sandbox with some real RPG elements that starts from a survival base then it is very exciting. So many have tried (like Everquest Next), hopefully someone will eventually succeed.

[@FoxBatinaHat]

The building reminds me of Conan. 8:00 (it could be stamina is tied to the size or type of tree which can be cut as a ressource progression). Ex. If you have 10 stamina, and a specifix tree requires 12. You cannot cut the tree. If you segregated the styles of gathering types and fighting-types. (Similar to ff14, with a sneaking aura). Then this could work. Otherwise I agree with Asmon. Loosing stamina, if it is to be tied to the fighting as well. Would make being attacked, quite annoying.

[@michealewk]

looks amazing i notice alot of assets but as you say its how its all pakaged together

[@Joeythedasher]

That valhiem music was a vibe

[@guillaumehuardhughes]

The sad side of these king of mmo is that will be very server limited. Like 120 person per server..

[@jlfilip]

1st he complains for losing stamina while gathering/choping/mining but then he wants for rocks to fall around when mining just so he can collect it from ground!!!

[@alissaholt1916]

The kind of thing where they magnetized to you and all you got to do is walk near them.

[@jlfilip]

@@alissaholt1916 but like, at the end its same...or u waste some time on stamina or u take that same time just to collect rocks

[@Shoelid]

@@jlfilippick up rocks fun. Run out of stamina not fun. Not same 🤪

[@Voice55555]

waiting for stamina = you do nothing..... vs collect little rocks from the big rocks = you do something. There is a big difference. but I prefer none of them 😂 but i dont mind the collecting. Waiting stamina is just useless lol

[@__-gf3zn]

I kind of agree with asmon on this. It makes mining and chopping wood feel more frustrating and tedious in valheim. People argue that valheim "removes" the tedium, but honestly, it's just a step down on certain departments (this being the example). Like... sure... whatever, you removed the repair costs (which aren't usually that big of a deal in the first place). It's the level of waiting I constantly have to do before I can build/mine/chop again. It feels bad honestly

[@Traveman]

the pizza boxes and hoodie comment had me 🤣🤣🤣

[@EricCheVe]

If gathering consumes stamina, I want it to give me stamina progresion as (endurance) or strengh points tbh If you want to make it real and time consuming give me a reward as if you're trainning something otherwise is just lame

[@hayleymahaney]

Yessss I've been waiting for this! I signed up for the alpha in June but never got an email other than the newsletter.

[@MWBalls]

As a conan exiles pve enjoyer this game intrigues me.

[@zergidrom4572]

So its like....... 3rd person RUST on minimals?

[@milo20060]

NGL that city building stuff is the BEST looking we have ever seen from the modern hardware. This has potential. Abitious, but potential.

[@Fourside__]

that feels like such a shill video ngl. how he hyped up the gathering when in reality its pretty mid to bad with no actual animation hitting a thing and feeling the impact. Graphics are ok i guess the bitrate doesnt do it any favor, looks better in the original video but hyping up UE5 graphics is pointless anyway, all the other stuff matters

[@stephencorwin9776]

"elves are people too" 4:30

[@Bobby-Dingers]

Asmon wants to be able to dig a hole in the side of a mountain so he can have his MM's (many minions) dig it for him. He'll have his mm's out there breaking boulders, cutting down trees, digging mines and wells for him. He will then be collecting all the resources for himself.

[@paradoxical247]

This is a good concept, especially because I enjoyed my time spent in Valheim. The problem, and I don't know how they would even combat this, is at a certain point in Valheim, I was just done. I had all the loot, I had my literal fucking citadel, outside of going AGANE, what was my option? I moved on. The end game is going to be an interesting focal point, whether or not they can make it all work is intriguing at the least.

[@rcane6842]

8:54 wants to pick up items (rocks) one-by-one (that's x1 each, cuz immersion), thereby spending a lot of time doing it, for the immersion, but doesn't like stamina bar to be used while doing gathering? What's lacking here is some sort of animation when the character's out of stamina. Waiting to fill up the stamina bar sure makes things boring but a mechanic should be introduced there while waiting. Of course, one can instead do inventory mgmt while waiting, or just appreciate the environment like what a normal person does irl. Also, as said in the video, the stamina thing adds to that character progression, that "immersion" (subjective).

[@SoukenIDK]

Seems very much like Myth of Empires just with less of an PVP focus. Gonna be intresting to find out in 7 years how they wanna do a core gameplay loop and how exactly they wanna manage the MMO part in those types of games wihout killing the whole eco within 5 seconds after launch.

[@PokyHoles]

I think using stamina while resource gathering is only useless if there is no risk/reward involved in the process. In a game like New World for example I would agree that using stamina while harvesting is a complete waste of time. But if you're playing a game where open world pvp exists, I think using stamina to harvest brings in an additional level of not only risk/reward but also game immersion. For example, if there is a rare resource your trying to harvest in a known harvastavle wild area, this would force you to pay attention to what's happening around you before you spend your valuable stamina harvesting it

[@displayunit4776]

Camelot "Never coming out" Unchained has the CUBE system for building.

[@auca3473]

Don't know if Asmon has watched Narc before but it's honestly a match made in heaven.

[@conradpierce8994]

the immediate ban at the beginning lol

[@tersse]

i prefer to be able to toggle on and off the auto collect, some times you want to just pick up ore etc,

[@shmootube5000]

stamina is ok, cuz then you have more stamina and feel better/stronger at gathering

[@Xhotic]

I agree with the chatter in the start of the video saying he got paid for this, sounds just like it, The fact that the guy called this "polished" is actually kinda sad. I remember seeing 10 scam MMOs that look just like this over the last few years, why is this any different at all? Wtf are we playing today as MMOers? This shit is a survival ARPG game at best, and in its MOST EARLY STAGES at most. Triple AAA games have us DOWNBAD for the next game to fill that void I see.

[@Afura33]

This looks like minecraft but with awesome graphics, the house and castle building just looks sick, I am definitely going to get this game when it comes out.

[@ExiledDelver]

Housing in pretty much every game since I have EVERY played archeage has sucked. I fking love archeage housing THE ONLY THING that would make it better would be sharding or instances of housing areas... since AA RAN out of space OR you could make houses ANYWHERE and just limit houses to 1 or 2 maybe?

[@Zarosian_Ice]

Don't lean too much on the engine when you talk about game aesthetics tho, thats all art design. You can make a game look completly the same in both UE and unity, it just depends on the artist and direction the designer wants to take it into.

[@rykehuss3435]

Not completely the same, unless you write a custom lighting engine for both engines or you dont use lighting at all

[@Zarosian_Ice]

@@rykehuss3435 If you use basic lighting you'll get the same outcome, most of the differences are under the hood where UE5 renders more polygons more effectively than Unity does, otherwise graphics are just graphics. If you are about to tell me UE5s water looks better than Unity's we're going to have to disagree. That also proves my point, if you don't use lights at all or you use simplified lighting it'll look identical, if you write a script you'll still be identical. Keep in mind that you will have to script regardless to get certain outcomes. The hard truth is, if you make a scene look stunning in Blender and port it into Unity it will look as good in UE5.

[@Zarosian_Ice]

@@rykehuss3435 I do want to add however that there is one thing graphically that sets UE5 off from Unity, being UDIMs. You can get UDIMs to work in Unity but it's more difficult to do. and UDIMs make quite a dfference in general if you're not using your UV map perfectly.

[@justinleonard-vu2pn]

life is feudal had my favorite gear progression in any of these survival mmos

[@rhomptv4447]

looks like a polished life is feudal

[@bloodcards3084]

yooo you and narc would be sick

[@naping]

I will be honest, this is not what i was expecting. This is a survival game, yet you don't see them list it as such, while it is listed as an MMORPG on steam. I think their marketing is really dishonest.

[@stillnotchill2560]

Nah, it's survival mmo. The only thing that makes it MMO is large player count, which most if not all survival games like this seem to lack. You never see more than around 10 players or so. Valheim for example can only run about 10 and that becomes a lag nightmare. This game should see multi-order of magnitude higher player counts.

[@ggNotSuree]

I think their goal is a medieval eve online. Especially with the player economy and such. And goal of 7-10k player servers. I’d say that meets the mmo criteria

[@PlayCrestfallen]

Crestfallen Medieval Survival is looking Waaayyyy better!!!!

[@catbert7]

What do I think of the UI? I think white text on a white background is so obviously stupid that I'm tempted to give up on the game immediately, because how could they get anything right if they can't manage that... But the graphics are good (though pretty dull; bump up the saturation) and the building system looks quite good. "My dream is to turn big rocks into little rocks." - Asmon

[@fffx2]

You can pick up mined rocks in Star Citizen

[@BLKwyvern]

Definitely think it will be interesting since it’s a mmo with a rust like feel, because I have played both mmo and rust I think it will be an experience.

[@CaptainPuppyGaming]

For sure will go for this game when it comes out 🙂

[@Natzawa]

Asmongold hits Tarisland with the shade lol. I don’t blame him though. You’d think they would invite him to play.

[@XionicAihara]

Looks interesting and i want to play it, but im also concerned that it will fall short, or steer people away if it has as an example, Ark style survival mmo. Griefing etc. Hopefully it has a storyline or somthing to do other then build and survive.

[@Galliao]

I don't share the optimism. But we'll see where they are in a year.

[@aeoteroa818]

this might be my first mmo