Pax Dei Was Not Ready For Early Access

[@Narc]

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[@dallasmohler9021]

The game is more than ready for EA and you are clearly an amateur streamer trying to get a hold of the disgruntled basement dwellers that expected a near fully fleshed out game. You also clearly never followed the website or discord or any development information regarding this game. They (the Devs) have been more than upfront with their expectations, roadmap, notifications and communication. You Narc, are the epitome of KZbinrs and Streamers that incite the negative aspect of an EA launch in an attempt to build subs and followers at the expense of a potentially good game.

[@larrya3342]

Love the video, they are following Nova and their Dual Universe to oblivion. With bad dev choices, it was great in alpha, dog shit at release and getting worse every patch. but at least I don't think they have plans to add a Cash Shop lol.

[@Hat_Uncle]

Not only undercooked, but missing many ingredients AND the DEVs thought a microwave was good enough to cook it. 😕

[@TinyGremolin]

Hey, you can *technically* cook an entire brisket in the microwave. It will just taste awful and be impossible to chew, lol.

[@dennse3965]

They threw that frozen brisket into the microwave, set it on high, and probably walk away and forget about it. When the timer beeps, they'll serve it with instant mashed potatoes still in powder form and a side of canned peas that will probably never leave the can. The gravy? Just a packet of sauce mix stirred into cold water. They will expect us to savor this half-baked disaster as if it were a five-star dining experience. But instead, we're left chewing on rubbery meat, choking on dry potato dust, and wondering how they ever thought this would pass as a meal. It's a culinary catastrophe that, like all the other junk food, leaves you hungry, frustrated, and craving something-anything-better.

[@gabrielripw0lf293]

how do you call that an mmo when nothing seems like an mmo in that game + 0 content besides farming and building.

[@emikochan13]

@@TinyGremolin if it tastes bad it's because you've not used the microwave correctly. People think they work like a normal oven for some reason.

[@b-l1969]

What are you talking about? Of course it’s not done, it’s early access. The steak is barely warm and the potatoes aren’t even started yet. Don’t be a dunce.

[@davidp2391]

They got a little bit of popularity from asmongold. Streaming the game and went full on cash grab mode.

[@demoral3030]

Ah yes Asmongold, the mouth piece of Molok who just tells people what to consume. People need to stop listening streamers and internet celebrities and make their own analysis about things.

[@Raviis]

@@demoral3030 yeah, but companies don't care. Its free advertisement for them when people hivemind what a streamer does.

[@Jimmy-wf6vy]

Not at all lol, anyone actually following the development knows that what they are doing atm needs constant live servers so they can collect data and have people break stuff. Early access is for games in the middle of devlopment, if people decided to purchase then thye should know what they getting into.

[@Birgeyful]

Just rewatched the Everquest Next announcement from 10 years ago, it still has features that look better than modern MMOs destructive landscape that heal back, fast interesting combat skills, player designed castles from Landmark, quests with longterm influence on a city etc Dave Georgeson from Everquest Next new team, Playable Worlds, has a countdown on to his next game announcement, 7 days left

[@hightierplayers2454]

Its very possible Ashes of Creation is currently in a more complete and playable form than Pax Dei is. Guess we'll find out soon enough in alpha.

[@pvprangergod4024]

ashes is terrible, they have stat loss for pvpers and say they will ban for "griefing".

[@Battz]

@@pvprangergod4024 Ashes is terrible? lol just shut up man

[@Luca-yq5ux]

​@@pvprangergod4024oh little pve Andy crying

[@Valvad0ss]

@@Luca-yq5ux it’s the opposite clown. He is talking about being penalized for camping lowbies . Y’all are clowns

[@wisdomandy9361]

Neglecting the solo player purposely is death.

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

The problem with a game depends on player content, is how to reward players that create content, more than the players that consume it. Ashes of Creation is seeking to do this by making a players strength dependent on the level of the node, in which they are a citizen. In order to be strong, you need to build/defend your node or node kingdom, you can't just destroy and attack other nodes, and expect to succeed. The PvEers are incentivised to build a node, as that allows them to access better PvE content. In theory then both PvEers and PvPers have an incentive to build and defend content, as well as attack it. The sandbox of Pax Dei, inevitably fails because there is no incentive for PvPers to defend anything. In a game designed for wolves, who wants to be a sheep?

[@relhaz4326]

lmao I was so surprised when I saw this on steam. There was no way they made enough changes since the last alpha to have a proper game to release

[@Foogle..]

Appreciate the honest review, I was on the fence about this one because of some of the things you've expanded on here. Keep up the good work. 😛

[@VNZ-Games]

Hi Narc! I love your videos! I’ve had high expectations for Pax Dei, especially since we are developing a very similar game (Tales of Shadowland on Steam). As a CEO, my opinion is that it was a mistake to go into Early Access so early, and it has been an important lesson for our small studio. Our current plan is to have the game (or at least the early and mid-game) 70-80% complete before launching in Early Access. If we can manage with a fraction of their investment, I'm sure they could also wait for a more polished game. Hopefully, someday you will honor us with a video about our game as well. Keep up the great work, and thanks for this excellent video!

[@VNZ-Games]

@@PherPhur EA is very tempting for a studio like us, that don't have external funding. But charging your audience for over 50% incomplete experience is basically asking for failure. Rather starve 6 more months with my team and have something solid to present to the market.

[@everlonggaming1966]

Why not wait until you are 100% finished then release your game?

[@victorb5]

@@everlonggaming1966 Well one reason is that a soft release with EA helps with funding to smaller studios while finishing the project, but also getting lot's of player feedback to work with as well. Being able to adjust and polish things with an actively invested player base is super helpful. But it's tricky because if you have a bad experience ppl will rate it badly and not come back. So VNZ-Games has a better perspective on making sure there's something substantial and fun before releasing EA and hope they're prepared to quickly adjust and respond to player feedback to build the game up to full release with players still wanting to be on board.

[@everlonggaming1966]

@@victorb5 i can see your points however, testing should be done by testers not a "pay to test" environment. Early access is just a legal loophole so some, not all mind you, developers can get away with stealing your money and giving you a "product". While I can understand the budget concerns for a developer it does not help the consumer to have a better experience in many cases. I have been a gamer for 30+ years, a tester for 20+ and a consumer advocate for all of that and the early access system needs more regulation to hold developers accountable for false promises and bad products. IMO.

[@pvprangergod4024]

you are also developing a scam game? okay will make sure to warn everybody.

[@issamelarmi]

Devs living in their own echo chamber is a recipe for disaster

[@ErielleClary]

Amen! I played alpha2 and saw the writing on the wall. This game is nowhere near ready for any kind of EA, much less one that costs what they're charging. You hit the nail on the head! It'll be dead within a month or two.

[@EarlHare]

Forgot about this game, wishlisted it months ago. Got an email saying the game came out in early access, was so excited I rushed to steam to jump in only to see that the reviews were mostly negative. Upon further reading i've decided not to buy and I don't think this game deserves to get a second chance with me. I'm just out.

[@derkobold8214]

yep, wishlisted it last year at some point and now before buying it checked the reviews, watched couple of videos.. nah, im out as well. sorry, got sick of buying unfinished crap.

[@swiftbear]

It's not just Pax Dei, so many game releasing with mixed and lower reviews. Gaming as a whole is just getting terrible. Seems like gaming hit its peak around 2015 and its just been shareholders and corporate boards pushing out "games".

[@skyrimnolife6509]

Its always negative reviews, ppl expect a full game. Guess some ppl dont know what early access is... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BarbarisII]

​@swiftbear the gaming community is terrible, has no patience, and causes premature failure. The market should understand this and stop releasing early access

[@b-l1969]

What a rational take. Back to Roblox then for you?

[@user-kg8id]

9:12 why don't we have caves where we can build mines? My friends and I found an iron mine and started building trolleys and hiring NPC workers. but after a while we are attacked by waves of monsters from the cave or outside the cave. if we cannot fight back, all or part of our resources will be lost. That's what I love about group content. It turns out that this is a game with multiplayer but without group game mechanics.

[@teck1756]

The Devs are too busy trying to insult or ban anyone from the Steam discussion group for it to actually go forward with any corrections.

[@user-kg8id]

New World - one of the main features of the game there were various sets of armor, but there was no ui-tool for managing these sets. In Pax Day, construction is one of the main features of the game, but we cannot manage the clan's resources. for example, there are 100 players in a clan and 5 of them decided to become lumberjacks. they collected a lot of resources, and one of the 100 players in the clan simply took these resources and we cannot find out who it was and we also cannot give access by name or special role in the clan. Question - is this on the roadmap?

[@MrImmortal709]

game has not a roadmap, a roadmap would tell you what has priority, what gets implemented for which patch, the "game" only has a list of things they want to do, not can, not will "want"

[@everlonggaming1966]

Yea but they got swimming so still better then NW

[@pvprangergod4024]

@@MrImmortal709 a single powerpoint slide made by a 10 year old = roadmap LOL

[@jaked9596]

New world, tbh worked better than this

[@donetoldyaso.99]

Maybe you should find a real hobby.

[@Sleeptastic]

I don't understand how this game doesn't even have a dismantling or some other kind of recycling system when it expects you to grind craft dozens of the same item to level your crafting

[@pvprangergod4024]

its just an asset flip, the game doesn't have ANYTHING

[@fredrikjohansson7854]

Been playing it since EarlyAccess launch and me and my friends are all having a blast, the most enjoyable, most polished EA game i have ever played, BUT! this is the type of game i enjoy, no handholding, sandbox, MASSIVE world, beautiful, have barely seen any bugs soo far apart from the wierd spawn bug that they have solved. My biggest gripe with the game is not the game or gameplay loop it self but the subscription model they have suggested, sounds totally idiotic and will drive the core players (builders) away.

[@Ballox]

What are the PC requirements? I've heard like 4 different things. My PC can handle it but some of my Guild I'm not sure, if we come over we all play to come together

[@AlexanderAhjolinna]

What do you think they should do instead of a subscription model? Servers cost money, and if we want new, frequent content, that also needs funding. A F2P model would make the game toxic, and the studio would need to focus on creating items they can sell, which takes away from the game's core loop, particularly the crafting and building aspects. at least with basic sub model the studio gets its funding for server and content and we dont need to worry about some pay2win other toxic bs, it makes the game healthy keep in mind this is a indie studio it doesn't have a huge publisher that can back them and eat some server cost or fund content until next time they get paid

[@fredrikjohansson7854]

@@AlexanderAhjolinna I dont mind a subscription model, that part is fine and make sense, what doesnt make sense is tying number of plots to a subscription, thats just plain PTW, any advantage IN game should be achieved IN game, NOT via your credit card. I would prefer if you could "craft" new plots IN game. As for making the money needed for all those servers running all those extra plots, i would argue that selling cosmetic is the obvious way. I could also MAYBE see plots as a one-time payment per plot increase, kind of like other games do for character slots, but considering how impactful extra plots is we are dabbling in PTW. I know thers hardware limitations to take into account, but thats equally true if plotnumbers are tied to an increase in subfee. Maybe a progressivly higher crafting cost per new plot to keep the number of plot to a manageble level?

[@peellfields]

Helped me save money, thanks lol.

[@Beretta980]

As soon as I heard they were charging $40 for "early access" in this current abysmal state I dropped the game completely from my radar. This feels like the devs realized they have no clue what they are doing and decided to cash in before the project collapses.

[@Hoto74]

You realize that paying MMO servers cost a lot of money? At lot more as a Valheim server cost. They plan with a sub after release for a reason and in that EA price are the server costs included.

[@JohnAPrescott]

I watched FantamX's stream of this for about..well, as long as I could stand which was about 15 minutes..and jeebous...it's bad....this game needs a minimum of about another 2 years before anyone else plays it. Great vid! Keep em coming!

[@Hat_Uncle]

My second thought on this is; Who the heck do they think they are? "You'll not be able to play solo, we like overly complicated, our way or the highway!" Fun Pimps? LOL

[@pvprangergod4024]

its just their excuse for not knowing how to make the game fun, so just make everything super grindy and then pretend that "solos should join 100 man clans!"

[@Hat_Uncle]

@@pvprangergod4024 heh, that was my point... Fun Pimps pulled the same crap with 7DtD MULTIPLE times over years.

[@ikeaira8701]

DO NOT TAKE THIS COMMENT AS FACT, ONLY EXPRESSING A THOUGHT: I have patience, but I will say on one thing that came across my mind last night. If the subscription model on release will be tied to number of plots you own.....and if you have a huge clan then for some reason they all quit I heard that clan inherits the plot as their own. I'm going to assume it will be the Leader of said clan that will receive these. Won't that increase your sub cost by default? Will there be a day, where Pax Dei will just start "Auctioning" off Villages/Towns/Kingdoms for that total Sub cost because players can't afford to pay their sub anymore with the plots attached? If that's the case, I want absolutely nothing to do with this game as a MMORPG and would rather they just go down the classic Survival games route. Via custom server's players can host, etc. We shall see where this game ends up. I only paid the $40 to just check out the game for myself, and explore what people are making/doing in the EA.

[@TheHadMatters]

Are those curtains real? I'm leaning 60% in the direction of yes. And if not, I'd suggest they should be. What a time to be alive.

[@brocstrecker4134]

lmao could be his steven shirt hung up in the background. Or maybe he had curtains made with the same shariff pattern 🤣

[@CoreChamber]

Solid opinion. Town mechanics, why am I building? I love a good grind game, but it needs a purpose other than looking at my virtual house. Combat has to be deeper than a 3-swing animation. A social UI needs to be put in place. So far, it's your primary if you don't keep paying. If you want recurring revenue, have a sub and call it a day.

[@kiofea]

Solo players could easily have a place in Pax Dei as mercenaries and guides, but the developers hate anyone who doesn't want to be held hostage by other players' progression...

[@Hoto74]

I play it solo since a week now, also in alpha 2. I don't see the problem? If you make it too solo friendly the horde of single player players would rush into the game and think this is Minecraft. No thanks. It is good as it is. At least in that part.

[@dekkar]

Thanks for this video, saved me $40 and the time.

[@delindsay]

Literally all of us that had access to Alpha 1 or 2 said it wasn't remotely ready for launch and it's laughable that they actually decided to push forward without fixing most of the bugs ARE STILL IN THE GAME.

[@Bellthorian]

Ultima Online used this model and it was quite successful.

[@andrewheavenridge7955]

true we need something different, im confused by the narrative here that it should have more survival mechanics

[@pvprangergod4024]

@@andrewheavenridge7955 pax dei is a survival game with zero content

[@TheTatekei]

"Everquest levels of difficulty" - actually I'm playing Everquest right now and I like that difficulty. WOW doesn't have enough difficulty for me. And Pax dei I really enjoyed Wilderness Alpha. I wish they'd remove the stamina system for gathering tho

[@TheMalmut]

It sounds alot like Everquest, Star Wars Galaxies, Eve Online, DayZ, and Haven & Hearth levels of commitment/difficulty, which I love. Newer gamers are so used to a constant dopamine drip of instant gratification that few will appreciate Pax Dei's approach. Even though I won't be able to play it, I'm excited to finally see a game getting back to some of the things left behind in modern games, that gave older games more soul.

[@Ballox]

MO1/MO2, UO, Everquest. I love the Grind

[@DLMyth2]

I’m going to give it time before I may/may not get it. I don’t feel like paying for another subscription.

[@brianc8840]

Early access is neccessary to test it all out, the fact that you find issues is why its open to understand before full release, i am having fun playing with the clan and helping each other its really great and tbh is going to be a game i enjoy for many years.

[@milkdudjuice]

i've had this game in my wish list since march of last year. seeing that it finally came out for early access excited me to no end. and then the start of the fall happened just hours after i began my gameplay. i currently have around 30 hours of playtime, solo. and the more videos i see like this, the more i can sense that it's just me trying to give the game the benefit of the doubt. i wasn't expecting the gradual disappointment after being excited for the release for over a year, and it's truly saddening. i understand that this game isn't supposed to be easy. but i've never had to spam craft 100+ box chairs and still not get enough xp to level up one singular time. i'm afraid that if things don't change, i'll burn myself out very quickly and never touch this game again. unfortunate reality.

[@pipz420]

Thank you for covering pax dei. People need to hear the truth.

[@BigSkilletGaming]

I've been watching your content for almost 2yrs now and really enjoy your incite and analysis breaking down new games and such. I was very excited for this game being an old EO player but after seeing some of the review videos, I'm staying far away. I would add your Twitch streams are kinda toxic shit storms and wish they were more like your YT videos. It's like Jeckle/Hyde

[@ashesofcreachawn]

Saaaaay whaaaaat! The game they claimed was ready for “early access” when fighting alone was dog crap!? Thank you Narc. Was looking forward to this video.

[@gabrielripw0lf293]

literally "pax dai before" vibes. Everyone this days wants to make a quick and easy buck but without putting effort.

[@deamigo9286]

the combat feels exactly like the tutorial series from Gorka Games on KZbin.

[@miravlix]

Ultima Online: I stood in town selling tamed creatures, I made a library of books and better people made amazing decoration in the homes. We had a n00b training guild, so when new players joined the game, they joined the n00b guild and we taught them to be good at the game and they moved on. Or we created a town control system, 100% based on player creativity, as the game didn't have any mechanics for it. I thought WoW was great when it released, except I quickly found out it was a box game, there was no room for any out of the box thinking, all the features I loved, even the simple one as taming and selling stuff to other players was not even remotely an option... It did have it's time, but I'm not sure that anyone but us children of boomers, will ever be rich enough to spend every day of the week raiding. (Designing things based on basement subhumans, is not a winning long term strategy, people has to work for a living in 2020+) Pax Dei is most likely a dodo game, but at least it tried to bring some of the GREAT features of the past back. Seems like they made the dodo and then they also added in that it only eat stuff it can't catch, so horrible implementation.

[@AZodiacCancer]

Is the subscription going to be optional because from everything I've heard it won't be?

[@Wildsmasher]

bit like eve online you can earn it ingame

[@clarkmeyer7211]

Player based design is not a 100% fail rate actually. In fact this concept comes from the highly successful game of Albion online. The problem is that developers don't seem to understand that there needs to be elements of benefit for coexistence. I think they have a thing where work benches are sharable which in my opinion could work considering players cannot make all the work benches in the game from the start. I'd go even further by saying there could be limitations to which work benches you can use from other players based on how far your base location is from the work bench which would make players want to build close to one another. Maybe even have the quality of what can be made dependant on the level of the work benches so that if I have specialized in something on a work bench my neighbour's will rely on me for that content and I'll rely on whatever it is that they have. This would also open up niches for new settlers by adding in work benches that are not currently in the town or are not at an advanced level. Anyways. I digress. The devs at pax dei have failed at this because they cannot offer a reliable coexistence system especially if it's subscription based meaning your neighbour's entire home could be a hole in the village next month if he doesn't subscribe again

[@pvprangergod4024]

specialisation in this game doesn't exist, its literally all just a grind. being a "weaponsmith" is literally just a matter of being funnelled materials to craft weapons, there is literally nothing else to it. its junk, garbage,

[@Bellthorian]

I was going to buy this game, but after seeing multiple videos on it I decided to wait for six months at least to see if they make the game better.

[@ikdeikke]

Its funny i wanted to get in on the test like a few months back and didnt get in even tho i signed up to test very quickly. so idk now im not interested anymore especially with this kind of news.. had more hope for it tbh. lets hope ashes of creation will actually be the MMO that we have been waiting for.. although we do need to remember its early access to both games.

[@Ballox]

It think the biggest crying over this game is that it's Hardcore and not handholding

[@bravexheart7]

thats the problem with people these days .. they believe everything they here from shit you tubers that think they know everything about gaming.. if you actually tried it you would see its a beautiful game with lots of potential but no you are one of the shills who just listens to idiots on the internet

[@Ballox]

@@bravexheart7 Are you talking to Me? I think you need to go talk to someone else lol, I support Pax Dei, I'm playing the game. I said people are just crying because it's a Hardcore MMO and they are weak asf. Check who you're messaging buddy lol.

[@Eso_lags]

You cant even give intrepid 250 dollars for fomo cosmetic vaporware that we still cant play. Because apparantly theyre so well off they dont need money from keys anymore. So thats good at least

[@dieaking6475]

I dont know m having a pretty good time in two servers. one where i am building my own home and the other where i joined a clan in a nice valley

[@rtyzxc]

By their definition, a public Minecraft server is an MMORPG. A real MMO needs social systems and at least some structure.

[@lodunost]

I was told it was a sand box. I went to play in it only to find that a CAT beat me to it. Not the metal kind the one with hair and claws. For real though the combat was rough as hell. They call it place holder. The crafting is overly complicated which will turn a lot of people off. You make a game you need to make it fun. I feel like it's tedious not fun at this point. I hope they continue and can't wait to see the future of PAX DEI.

[@AlexanderAhjolinna]

I wouldnt say crafting is overly complicated ..well maybe for some....the UI/UX just needs some work to simplify workflow.

[@cizmar1972]

Yet I am still having a lot of fun in the game, playing solo 95% of the time (which everyone says you can't) slowly building my plots and helping my neighbors with bears. I guess I am easily entertained.

[@Ben_From_Marketing]

I've been looking forward to this game for a number of years and now its here I don't want to touch it at all simply because of the material grind for building and crafting, its insanity that they thought they could increase the average playtime of each player in a game lacking content by making the material grind larger.

[@DBuilds]

I entered and tried the closed beta from your feedback of the game. And found it to be miserable dog shit. Anything that insaw that was cool was streamers with 100 people doing all the grinding for them. I like survival games but this one needs a lot of work.

[@robdor5]

This version of early access is not "Come play the game before everyone else." It's more, "Come live in the game while we build it." They needed to be more clear about that. It's not ready, but it isn't meant to be. They probably should have added more features for early access even if they immediately threw them out. The next 3 months will make or break this one. I don't think they are out of the fight yet.

[@samwieck6238]

I think the game is pretty cool. I like it yeah it still needs work but they said it was going to be finished up along side the players. I think we just need to be patient. I think we will get a lot of cool updates . Don’t buy the special edition of these games you all should know better. I think it’s a lot of fun .

[@everlonggaming1966]

Everyone complains that MMOs are to focused on the singleplayer game play till the try Eve On... i mean PaxDei

[@jamesstewart8663]

On their previous Beta/Alpha I logged in and couldn't even get the game to look good on my ultrawide, and it kept defaulting to 1440p resolution and no 4k choice looking terrible. I quit out and said to myself they need a year or more to get this game in a proper playable state... 2 months later and here we are.

[@arcanummortis440]

I am as looking forward to this release for the last 2 years. I bought it, startet it and refunded it After 5 minutes…. I Hope it gets better.

[@aidynoconnor582]

a game like Pax really needs a solid resource/crafting system, and it does look like they're making some poor choices with the design. If they don't sort that out during early access, then that issue alone will be a huge problem for them, let alone the other problems

[@pvprangergod4024]

there is no design, its just a basic survival game asset flip...

[@emikochan13]

I thought they already said the combat hasn't had any work on it yet ?

[@boanergese2466]

Eve Online was a player driven economy and it lasted 10 years. They are the same devs from Eve Online

[@pvprangergod4024]

wow guys we better buy their terrible pay2win game then, because they maybe worked on some other game 10 years ago. LMAO

[@uvveshlurvvesh6515]

Saw the alpha and the "houses" everywhere - it was like New World 😂

[@Nate-tf5ws]

What if they just do what dayz does where you can build whatever you want but there are mods and if your base is illegal, people can report it. You could risk it being deleted or hopefully have a chance to fix it first. In general i like the idea but its obviously not a finished game. I'll give it a year or 5 before i get into it.

[@FortMarkGaming]

Anytime a game tries to "incentivize" people playing together, they fk everyone playing solo.

[@EdgePitSwing]

MMOs aren't for solo play. Go play an RPG.

[@FortMarkGaming]

@@EdgePitSwing dumbest thing I've heard in some time lol

[@EdgePitSwing]

@@FortMarkGaming Dumb is when people play a game defined as "massively multiplayer" and don't do anything multiplayer. That's like getting mad that you can't walk down the middle of the highway.

[@EdgePitSwing]

@@PherPhur Because highways are designed for cars going 70 mph. Wtf do you mean? 😂

[@Ballox]

@@EdgePitSwing Preach it Brother 🤣

[@Cptraktorn]

I got flack for saying this was 4-5 years out from full release last year. now it's clear that the plan was never to release it in a viable state.

[@Taiylim]

They should have just gone the Ark/Conan route. You have to pay for character slots, plots of land, locked building asses to game edition, and a monthly sub. DOA.

[@vereor_nox]

Heard that guilds are walling off resources from other players so they can’t get access to them unless you join their guild. This what happens when you let players have control lol.

[@feflechi]

The passive-agressive is terrible in Ark with max pop of 70, i can’t imagine thousands of players competing over the same stuff, it can’t go right.

[@Behague]

Considersd the €99 kit, but waited to hear about any pay-to-win. What a shame.

[@pvprangergod4024]

more plots / more characters is already pay2win. and they will be adding more pay2win to let you buy gold too. its a scam.

[@Kazaanh]

If they want me to play it , they need to beat Valheim tree harvesting and allow me to build grand&freely like Conan Exiles, ARK or Wurm Online.

[@FrostyThundertrod]

I bit but it seems the early accesses was because the game was out of money for development I think its likly the game never goes into full release and shuts down in a few months

[@Z-MACx]

TLDR: Shameless Ashes of Creation Plug

[@pvprangergod4024]

ashes is garbage just like pax dei

[@solastorm7]

idk i am having a good time. it's a very relaxing game atm

[@feflechi]

Good ideas but poorly implemented or just not there yet. Player built infrastructure and economy are fine as long as groups have the means to organize themselves otherwise it’s gonna fall apart fast. Also the competition over land/resources might turn out to be toxic 😓(thinking of PvE Ark).

[@Jim1Dean]

cant wait to play AoC on early dec!!!

[@uvveshlurvvesh6515]

Dont give me hope ... 😢

[@Lycrius]

Skip EA, check back when it launches, probably wait year to 1.5 and test it when it goes f2p with wild cash shop.

[@KroDuK-oo7]

The discord comment, gg!

[@CurtTheRed]

Lmao 😂 pax dei early access works great. A bad lag issue hiccups on the first day but they are doing a phenomenal job since clearing that up bad take.

[@danielsolorzano8623]

I played during the most recent test and as a mostly solo player it got boring pretty quick and not only that but their really wasn't even a game their.

[@Wholesome_Fries]

Only New World can step to Ashes

[@highcommander2007]

The fact they are asking WOW prices for The Day Before game delivery should be a red flag for ANYONE. A game which actually plans on finishing some day, should never put more effort in monetization than its own combat gameplay. Their discord is in shambles with waves of mutes and waves of bans for anyone who talks bad about the game. The very small (and shrinking) core fans of this game are slowly starting to realize they are screwed. I hope Pax Dei makes a 180 turn and fixes what needs to be fixed; but at this point I don't have any faith they will actually listen. Mounted wings of wax they are flying close to the sun and their fall is fast approaching.

[@highcommander2007]

Oh btw with games like Once Human, and Dune Awakening going live in the coming weeks... who could justify spending a dollar bill on Pax Dei's alpha?

[@fromnothingtosomething8334]

Fuck KZbin commercials. Can't watch a single video without their disgusting ads.

[@RoyalRhymes]

Pax Dei reminds me of Mortal Online 2. Idea maybe cool but lacking so much stuff its not even game.

[@MichaelBrooks-s1b]

Ive put so many hours into the game now. My friends and I love it, and in the games defense I haven't seen another game like this push so many fixes and updates in the first day of launch and consecutive days after. If lag, missing recipe, building placement etc... turned you away id urge you to try it again with some friends.

[@Hoto74]

Yeah, I also like it, but I also know its state. We must see how their first bigger patch will look like and what it improves. But it is clear, as soon we crafted us to the top and got finished with our buildings, there is not much what we could do then. But I see it actually more that way, that this game is, because of its early development, no full MMO yet. That is Ok for me. It means that I will stop playing it at some point regularly and wait for the next big patch to come back and the full start is anyway on full release. They have a lot of time to fix the weak points in the game. But not everything is a weak point, drawing resources out of chests would ruin the fun for me instead to improving it. Managing your chests and get the mats out you need for what you want to craft it also a part of the game for me.

[@bobthor9647]

Collecting rocks ain't no game

[@sarevokanchev9996]

I did not care for the mining and lumberjacking simulator. I'll be watching tho.

[@clarkmeyer7211]

"Not ready" is a generous description. The game has a massively amazing concept but it's corrupted by greed and deadlines. The early access is expensive as all hell with reviews already saying you need at least 4 properties to do anything meaningful in the game which means you would need their most expensive package in the game just to do this. And if that's not bad enough that's only to pay for the early access extremely bugged version of the game as they plan on making it subscription based in a year's time. At that point each property you own will be an additional cost to the subscription you'll already have to pay for the base game. You want to have a socially constructed village built up with your peers? You better hope everyone is willing to keep paying the subscription or get ready to just have massive holes in your village. Never mind the super grind that everyone is complaining about, a crafting system that is chance based meaning that even after taking hours to find the resources you need but then finding out that when you try to craft something there is a chance it just falls flat and fails. I had been looking forward to this game and I have to say it is a profound disappointment.

[@pvprangergod4024]

what concept? name a single feature in pax dei that isn't found in 100 other survival games

[@clarkmeyer7211]

@@pvprangergod4024 you're comparing to survival games. I commented on its concept. I don't think its particularly unique feature for feature. but I liked the cohabitation and fellow player dependency idea. The game was basically supposed to be a society based MMO which is something that I liked as a concept

[@arch3376]

"A model that failed 100% of the time" - meanwhile EVE Online with that same model stays strong for over 20 years. And these are some of the same folks who made EVE The game is great. They opted for an open development model and it's going to satisfy it's niche

[@matthewwilhelm6628]

Don’t really give a shit what you all think , I’m enjoying the game TONS. 🤷🏼‍♂️❤

[@edu5250]

wow what a surprise

[@TheFlintStryker]

I certainly have no intention of wasting my time or money with Pax Dei. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@swbftor403]

There’s a steam review which breaks down the “game” extremely well, but basically it’s empty because the players are supposed to do all the devs work for them. Why do you think they have city building contests and the like? 😂

[@BuriedInInsanity]

The fact that they want to add a sub soon that costs more the more plots you own is quite sick, especially when they wipe all your progress if you not pay the sub. Forcing you to pay or get wiped is really greedy, and the game itself right now is a glorified ue5 tech demo... the game has a lot of potential in the overall idea and design but the game we have rn is nothing more than vapor war or even a scam especially with the monetization plans in mind

[@Wildsmasher]

they did not 100% say this out right they said they thinking of ways and that might be one way

[@saltybulldog3241]

So many red flags. Asking AAAA money for something super undercooked. Not only that but soon as they need more $$ they'll leave early access which forces everyone to put more money in with a recurring subscription. It's dead on arrival.

[@pvprangergod4024]

not only expensive but also Pay2Win, have to be pretty dumb to play it

[@Twin-Nick]

what game is this? @8:00

[@MRMichyBio]

Ashe's of creation

[@veil1792]

*Should have asked him how many players they needed to "be successful" long term.* *Because just player driven content will only get you about 4,000 players.*

[@casfe82]

I was silently interested in this game as the graphics looked good....then after hearing more about it and seeing your feed back i have lost most of my interest on it. To many negative reviews that seem to reflex what you are saying and why spend money on something i will play once... Although i did drop the 250usd on AOC 18 months ago and yet to play that lol.....

[@vrdynasty3896]

10:00 is so savage

[@shix13]

this game heavily leans on the idea of large guilds taking territory and locking other players out of basic resources just by walling it off. seriously , i cant climb a simple wall?!?

[@ferrows5773]

I played baldurs gate alpha which was a portion of act one for 300 hours... why do people expect some super polished game in alpha... the game has a nice foundation and it's a nice time killer especially if you see the wider scope they going to attempt

[@Hoto74]

The problem are also that players compare it way too much with other games.

[@Bigsolrac]

Shitting on sigle players could be this game's downfall, same thing happened with Crowfall, limiting how much you could progress solo by limiting professions, and not giving solo players enough tools to survive solo besides stealth, making it the only way for solo play.

[@Langharig_Tuig]

I do hope AoC looks at this closely, because there is some overlap. Some things that Pax Dei does are fundamentally flawed and AoC aims to do exactly the same. They really need to look at this failure and admit defeat on some points.

[@pvprangergod4024]

AoC is garbage, they are going to give stat loss to pvpers. and they will ban pvpers for "griefing" (e.g. if you kill the same person repeatedly = ban). terrible scam game just like pax dei, avoid at all costs.

[@aaronbutler5969]

It is not early access of release it is early access alpha just like alpha 2 of ashes but ashes a2 will probably be more like a beta

[@krystaldavis5238]

an Unreal Engine game where there is nothing? what do they think they are Fallout 76 on release??

[@themalmana]

People liked alpha because it was alpha, free and stremers were there. Not because the game was anything special