PAXTON SUPERCHARGED 351 CLEVELAND-THE OTHER SBF!

[@Kevin_Drone]

351 Cleveland is my favorite engine of all time!! From racing in Nascar to Ford Powered Street cars, Cleveland’s ROCK!!!

[@deanstevenson6527]

Yep. Right there!

[@chadkent1241]

Bob Glidden had a 32-0 season with his 78 Fairmont with the Cleve. Never lost a single round and i believe is the only undefeated record for a season in NHRA.

[@BobbyOfEarth]

Glidden's Pro Stock win record was only surpassed by big corp. interests, while Glidden developed his own race engines, making him the Gate Keeper of big Ford power. His BBF Thunderbird and 1985 Pro Stock Championship solidified Glidden's spot in the NHRA Hall of Fame.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

@@BobbyOfEarth ☑️ Yeah, and I think Bob Glidden used Boss 429 engines in his 1980's big block Pro Stock T-bird for at least 1 or more seasons. That just adds a whole other level of coolness to his racing history!

[@deeremeyer1749]

@@chadkent1241 Bullshit.

[@Hydrogenblonde]

The 351 Cleveland. America's best kept secret. No one knows anything about it except the Australians....

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

I do, I've own a couple of them myself and I also have built a few for friends and or customers over the years. The 351C is my favorite small block Ford v8.

[@SOM-inc.]

Haha so true.

[@jesco6830]

@@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930 can you give me some advice for building a 351 Cleveland?

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

@@jesco6830 Stick with 2v heads for street/daily driver use, use clevite inserts for mains and rods, MSD for ignition, I like Badger or Mahle pistons, and you need to use a good high volumn oil pump, Chrome moly rings, brass head gaskets if you can get them. Felpro for all gaskets and seals. Find a good reputable machine shop to do your block and head work. You can't go wrong with a Cleveland !!!

[@jesco6830]

@@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930 I plan on stroking it to a 393 or 408 and using 195 or 225 trickflow heads.

[@kevind3185]

I had a old school engine builder tell me the best thing about a Cleveland 4V is the Port is so big that they could fill the floor of the intake port with epoxy and then work on the Port roof ending up with a funnel shape intake port with a almost straight shot at the valve. That engine builder was Carl Holbrook.

[@danielwilson6665]

Kevin, the biggest problem with the factory iron 4-V heads is the exhaust ports. To fit between the narrow confines between Mustang and Cougar shock towers, the exhaust ports were designed with a restrictive ridge on the floor and a sharp downward turn at the exit. The Pro Stock builders fixed it by removing a large section of the exhaust port and installing an aluminum exhaust port plate. The exhaust flow has a straight shot out instead of being slowed down by the sharp downward turn. They also did as you suggested by filling the intake port floors with epoxy or an aluminum insert and raising the port roof. I have a set of them. They are called high port iron Cleveland heads. You can google it or check out DragBoss Garage on KZbin.

[@stevenboyle6924]

Always like to see the Cleveland stuff! I just had another 2V one given to me last week.

[@davidgreenfield1476]

Jealous!

[@joefell7845]

351 Cleveland, Giant slayer.

[@chrisrye9128]

Mild boost, belt slipping. Still flirts with 700 hp. Gotta luv a Cleveland 👍

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

With factory heads and block! Ford built that engine to run!

[@kyholm]

Man I'm so pleased you still make videos on these old SBF's, so many people still have em!

[@todsimpkins8908]

no such thing as a small block or big block ford. Those are terms chevy used. FE Series. 385 Series. 335 series. The 351c is a Ford 335 series engine. It feels icky using chevy terms on a great Ford engine.

[@danielwilson6665]

@@todsimpkins8908 … You’re absolutely correct about the small and big block terminology but this far along in the game there’s really no point in trying to change things. The general public can more easily relate to the engines using the GM nomenclature. Now if they would just stop referring to INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES, (ICE), as MOTORS, it would send a massive wave of understanding across the planet with WORLD PEACE ☮️ left in its wake. Well … maybe not that dramatic 😳but one is electric powered and the other uses gasoline for fuel and nothing in common. It just sounds odd when a professional, educated builder calls an ICE….MOTOR 🤷‍♂️

[@CoyoteFTW]

@@danielwilson6665when you’re talking about a particular engine yes use the correct terminology because that’s the name of the engine we’re talking about not going to call it what it’s not

[@danielwilson6665]

@@CoyoteFTW … 100% Agree. Just trying to get it right 🏁.

[@pjmccoy4216]

Wow! Now that's a huge! I like that torque curve. Look how flat it is on the top end. That would make a super duper fun motor.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

Yeah. He talked about how he installed a new cam, and he showed a picture of that cam install at 6:10. But imagine how much more power it would make if he actually pushed the cam in more, and installed it all the way into the engine! 😁

[@davescbradiorepair8195]

i have had quite a few Clevelands as well as quite a few chevy combos and the Cleveland would run off from any of the others even my LS in my truck will not keep up with my Cleveland

[@constantinosratatsidis7438]

Would love to see the charger on the the 400 you built.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

🚫🤔 Hmmm....... After watching ^this video, you wanted to see a Charger!? This is strange.... Normally, when people start seeing Ford history and performance related stuff, they lose interest in ALL other car brands. That's the normal, healthy response. It's very concerning that after watching a Ford engine video, you STILL had a desire to see a Mopar product! Granted, it would be even more "troubling", if you'd expressed a desire to see Chevy stuff! I'm just going to recommend that you look at more Ford/Mercury related stuff. That should permanently wipe out any of these "errant desires" to see Mopar products! Watch some videos on 1964 and 1965 A/FX & B/FX Mercury Comets, some historical, mid 60s Ford GT40 LeMans videos, some Cobra stuff, and maybe some 1964 Thunderbolt Fairlane videos. That should cure you! 😁👍

[@HighlanderNorth1]

@Hunter Limbach It was! Although I'm mainly a Ford guy, I'm driving my Dodge Ram pickup right now! 😁

[@mikehaslett3738]

That 400 build was bad! One of my favorite he has done

[@g44sarge]

@@HighlanderNorth1 I'm pretty sure he meant that he would like to see his 400 Ford build with the addition of the "super"charger he used on the 351C. Being that both engines are in the 335 series it should bolt right up. I would honestly like to see that too, even though I'm more partial to a turbocharger.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

@@g44sarge Is the 400M block strong from the standpoint of a performance build?

[@pnr9730]

Yes we are us Aussies love the clevo😍

[@johnhenry1395]

Thank you, Richard! I’m a 351 Cleveland fanatic, so loved this. How about trying a low-budget, junkyard, salvageable Turbo on the Boss 351? Btw, I’ve got a 4v, 351CLEVELAND, w ‘70 quench heads, ‘71 4bolt , .030 bored block that I’ll eventually put in my ‘64 Mercury Cyclone...one of these days.😃

[@richardholdener1727]

VERY HARD TO FIND ANY MORE

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Yes! Cleveland are awesome! Needs a tunnel ram!

[@rocketmann8333]

My dad brought home a 1971 Boss Mustang on a hot summer's' evening when my 6 siblings and friends next door were playing football on the front lawn. We heard it ripping up the road and blasting past like a bullet. It was dusk so the running lights were on and it looked like a damn spaceship! It went out of sight over the next hill and as we all just stood there talking amongst ourselves as to what that was, we heard tires screaming and an engine roaring 1st, 2nd, 3rd CRAP! then up over the hill blistering towards us. Then the gearing down it went sideways into our side yard and stopped on the driveway. As the dust was clearing my dad steps out, I swear he looked like a NASA astronaut at that moment stepping out of that black beauty! OMG!! I was in love with that machine instantly! That car was crazy fast and that motor took some massive punishment from my dads lead foot. it was Truly a MUSTANG Stallion! I washed and waxed it every weekend. My dad gave it to me when I got my 1st job at Red & White Grocery Store when I was in the 10th grade. I was a car junky from then on and have had some nice rides since that day in my life. Unfortunately some (EVIL) dude, lol.. Came to our house and offered my dad some serious cash and my black beauty streaked away into my memories. I still have a lot of feelings about those days and that car, I wish I had her today... When I turned 18 I left Georgia for the San Fernando Valley, wow what an amazing time to be young and a car guy. I saw a 1969 Mach 1 at a street race that had been on the cover of Hot Rod magazine. It was Red, Lowered, big fat tires awesomely trimmed out interior that looked like a cockpit of a fighter jet packing a 351 C with a (PAXTON SUPERCHARGER)!!! 1st time I ever heard that beautiful sound! He raced a 1970 chevelle that had a 454 with a blower sticking out of the hood. The mustang blew out of the hole like a rocket and the chevelle front end went in the air... Mustang GONE!!! Great days!

[@69JANKS]

Awesome!! Would love to have lend you my rare 4V Bud Moore “NASCAR” intake for a N/A test with some big rpm’s 💪🏼🏁

[@danielwilson6665]

69JANKS… With a suitable long block with components worthy of that Bud Moore intake, that would be totally badass 🏁.

[@69JANKS]

@@danielwilson6665 👍🏼🏁

[@here_for_the]

Usin History. Clevelands carried more lbs per cube than any other eng. in ProStock thru '70s. NHRA Wrld Chmpships Glidden 3* Nicholson 1* Gapp/Roush 1* U carried 300lbs more w/351C unless u ran the big cars & got a wt# break that still put U 150lbs over SBC's. Hence 4 door Mavericks & Fairmonts to battle the wt# penalty of a Cleveland. No Windsor head ever won a Championship using production heads. Gliddens '79 championship was the 340" Arrow when Mopar gave him a 1 mil.$$ contract for 3 yrs but went bankrupt after 1st yr.

[@RyTrapp0]

I think the 426 Hemis were about the only thing were about as penalized as the Clevelands. Then they blew the dust off of the 385 series Boss 429, and it came in for cleanup duty after the Clevelands dominated the SB Pro Stock formula. Can't say the Windsor comment is all that relevant though; the Cleveland existed so that the Windsor could be a more street oriented engine(the Boss 302 was the first Clevor after all, it's not like Ford didn't know how to make power, even with the Windsor architecture), not to mention all the success the Windsor found in motorsports outside of professional level drag racing(numerous road racing championships throughout the world, a LOT of success in off-road racing, just to name a few). Both Clevelands and Windsors have their place.

[@here_for_the]

@@RyTrapp0 426 hemi's are a disaster naturally aspirated. The straight cross flow design w/massively deep Combustion chambers are archaic by any head designs today. Im well versed in the Boss 429 history of NHRA Pro Stock. In IHRA W/unlimited cubic inches the .990" deep chambers were tolerable with Rickies 707"'s & later bigger engines. Only Glidden had any real success in NHRA 500" stuff. Yes. Frank Iaconio did win 1 race w/Boss 429 under the Kenny Bernstein Budwieser 'Super teams' program which got cancelled when Van Cleeve ran into the bk of Lori Johns while she was still on the track when they sent tge next pair down. Resulting in muti million dollar lawsuit & Kenny pulled all Bud money except his own in NHRA. If you want to know how and why Bob Glidden was successful w/the Boss 429. Look no further than 2 articles in Hot Rod magazine. July 1985. & follow up in Feb. '86. Having been apart of a Boss 429 ProStk program, which there were less than a handful, cuz the amt of wrk it took us to stand up the valves & tske the Combustion chambers from .990" deep to .665" deep, along with Widmers Swirl pad design he sold Bob Glidden in the winter of 1984 is why the Glidden boss 429 program was successful from 85-89. I also was 1 of 3 guys who built the Ford Probe Mad Dog won his last ever world championship. That car won its 1st 7 of the 1st 11 events that season. I could cover this era for days cuz I lived in it. Only guys like Roy Hill, Larry Huff, & a few others in early/mid '70s even tried w/the mopar stuff. It was horribly non competitive. They even got fantastic long wheelbase wt# breaks using Dusters w/108" whl base. U got wt# breaks for big cars & engines that didnt run. SBC's & BBCs got excellent wt# breaks, especially in the 108" whlbase- 2nd gen Camaro's. If we could have raced at equal wt# the Cleveland crowd would hav dominated nearly every yr. Our point to the Windsor is that its production head is junk. As so many guys today try to tout how great the Windsor stuff is. Just a slightly different valve angle SBC head design is all it is. Yes tge aftermarketheads are vastly improved. But only Dick Maskins had a custom head for Pro Stk. Well. Besides Bill Jenkins who had the 292 angle plug head nearly a yr before any other chevy racer had access. Wasnt until Bills car was stolen in East St.Louis and they took the engine/tranny from his car. I knew the guy who paid to hav it stolen. When he tk the heads to the best sbc porter in St. Charles.. Winterhoffs answer to these never before seen head castings is WTF are these? GM felt forced to release the proprietary head casting within 6 months. The guy who had the stolen Bill Jenkins eng blew it up, coming out of the waterbox at Gainsville the following Spring. The real irony was that Bills eng was nothing fancy. TRW pistons w/teflon buttons on skirts to take up wear/piston slap. The real secret was Bills Lenco in his car was good for a solid 1/10 of a second over a typical Leonard Abbott unit. Bill was very frugal and soent more time finding pwr in areas that were easy. Like reciprocating mass. We know this cause the guy who stole the eng shared what he had learned w/all the local racers to help quiet down the FBIs investigation. Bill convinced him he believed it was an interstate theft ring which is 1 criteria to get the black suits to chase down an eng thief. If U plan to school us on Pro stk racing or 351C & Boss 429 history U may wanna hav ur ducks in a row. We lived it. Didnt just read about it. Well versed in the Nick Arias Alan Roote saga of how tge Holman & Moody tooling went from there big auction to Ventura California where they made new versions of tooling as the original Boss 9 stuff was wore the phuck out when Alan bought it w/his dads money. Then Nick got tired of Alans ways & cut ties. So the "AR heads" that stood for 'Arias Roote' then became the 'AR heads' & blocks & magnesium intake manifolds of Alan Roote. All designed by Tom Roberts who wrked fir Nick till he hung out his own shingle. A Very convenient logo repurposing for Alan. Tom went on to do the patterns for the Line Of Site Gen 2 Boss 9 that dominated IHRA for yrs. Then they asked Kaase to share the technology with Sonny Leonard so the GM guys could actually compete. Nobody wanted to see only Fords win IHRA mountain motor racing. So Jon cooperated for the sake of the sport not dying. 1st race of the Sonny head.. IHRA tech bounced Sonnys head. Said look. U gotta at least make something look different than the Ford head Roberts designed. So they put that wavy edge on the exhaust side of the heads valve cover rail between the long exh rocker gear. Again. Days. Weeks of the facts of this era. Lost to all those who didnt actually live it. Nicholson gone. BG is gone. Frankie is still around. He remembers. Widmer who designed the heads both Bill Elliot became Million Dollars Bill with & the heads Mad Dog used the relocation of valve geometry to make the Boss 9 competitive. If U ran a stk Boss head. U couldnt crack 1000hp w/500" mtr.

[@c4transguy]

I love Clevelands. Thanks for the content.

[@olemansailor6519]

My 79 F150 has a mildly built 9:1 351C-2V. Edelbrock Intake, Barry Grant Carb, Crane Cam, Headman Headers, 2 1/2 duals with X pipe and 40 series Flowmasters. The X-Pipe really mellows the 40 series Flowmasters. C-4 upgraded internals and shift kit, 3:55 gears with 30 inch rubber. 15 mpg around town, 18 mpg on highway running steady 70 mph. Smokes the tires when wanted and stone dead reliable. Estimated 325hp/380 torque Net readings with Water pump, power steering and Alternator according to my dyno software on my PC. Love my Cleveland.

[@wesleycook3181]

The 351 Cleveland was the most powerful small block.

[@rock1320]

not all cleveland fans are in OZ,welcome from the UK,have a 351 4V in a 66 fairlane,boss pistons,unknown comp cam,edelbrock inlet and 850 double pumper and headers,this is food for thought.

[@randomdude4669]

I can't imagine many brits having clevelands besides enthusiasts, clevelands were just an engine back in Australia and your mom would have one in her falcon since fuel was cheap back in the day in aus

[@chucksgarage7165]

They say 4V 351C don't make streetable torque. . .this one made 391 ft-lb at 4,000 rpm in stock form. AND the curve is flat as a board!!!

[@richardholdener1727]

look at the Boss 302 video-even the little motor had plenty of torque

[@deanstevenson6527]

There were key biard warriors in 1971 as well.

[@kevinjohnson9372]

Bench racers and the way I see it cam carb and intake and u got a 450 horse animal on your hands and that bump in comp helped that alot stock comp intake and cam it would of been a turd

[@daleostrom3613]

@@kevinjohnson9372; A 351 cubic inch engine, that bone stock, makes 380 hp is the opposite of a "turd".

[@bunter6]

"Danger Rich Holdener - DANGER!" (arms flailing & lights a flashin)

[@richardholdener1727]

yes

[@brianbenson5769]

Hi, Rich..... Thanks. God LOVES a Cleveland.... I am sure your fannage love the idea of a blown ( BOOM! ) 4 JUGGER.. And yes, M owners EVERYWHERE are clamoring for the BIG M with the blower... Is it possible, turbo wise, to put the ultime in free horse, to duplicate the cad-zilla syndrome on the BIG M? Also, 'round here, fresh air will soon be restricted... In tribute to fresh air everywhere ( unlike Sir HOLDENER, we live in a dead Sea zone...And not in the cali-4 knee hills, there's no rarefied air up there.... Yes, the loco politico's heads tend to be in disfunctional mode due to low oxygen about... You lucky dog... In altitude.there is absence. NO STEVE ABOUT..! GOD BLESS.

[@rodirby5952]

My brother N law had a 70 Torino GT with a 351 Cleveland 4 speed that ran the quarter mile in the low 13s and I still have a 71 Ranchero with a 351 Cleveland

[@northfloridacowboy8728]

Now you gotta boost a clevor. And then Cleveland with boss heads

[@CJ-ib2jy]

My first car was a '71 Mach 1 with a 351C-4V. That motor came alive with a hot cam, headers and an 850 Holley carb, even with the original intake.

[@lruss14]

Thank You Richard. Love to see Cleveland builds.

[@starbattles1]

I have a built cleveland I'm about to put some boost to. About 7-8 lbs, what ever waste gate pressure is. I have a different build but the HP is about the same. This gives me a good idea of what to expect. My 600 hp goal looks easy.Still be a good daily and also a sleeper.

[@SouthernCrossMotors]

Would love to see some tests of a 302 Cleveland build. And no, they are nothing like a Boss 302. Small port, 2V heads closed chamber and 9.2:1 compression. I don't think anyone has ever done a 302 Cleveland engine dyno video and modify the 302 to see where it could go.

[@besearchingforwisdom6267]

Mine was in a 71 Pantera...it was fun

[@fachu2]

My dream car.

[@hoost3056]

My neighbor had a yellow 74. They had to redo the heads on it and ran it with open headers for a test. Pure music👍

[@SuspenseESCAPEremastered]

My '70 Mach 1 was damn fast with the 351C4V - I never lost a race against a 350 Camaro.

[@andrewinsinga2993]

I would like to the same test but with a 351c 2v !

[@ldnwholesale8552]

351 2V with 302 2Vs. Then you have some compression. Though for blower maybe the open chamber 2Vs would be ok.

[@michaelgiglio1571]

Yep 2V closed cahmbers might make a big comebake yet

[@bloodmoon1410]

Thanks Richard I'm from Tamworth Aust and I have been really enjoying your work with the cleveland 351. Awesome engine. Really would love to see a comparison 4v vs 2v Aussi heads to dispell the myth that 4v is no good for street. Also with this engine with single plane. I have 4v single plane 750dp that pulls solid from 2k and is an animal from 3.5k to 6.5k . I think having the right combo is more important with 4v over 2v. Don't dispell a single plane on one of these for street use either. I have tried 3 different carb combinations, 750vs = Ok. 650dp = better. 750dp = best. And to my surprise the 750dp gave best low end in comparison to older Holley 4150 carb. To add this is with a single pattern high lift flat tappet hydraulic cam. An old crane 280h energiser 228 @ .50 . I think where I am going is that some things that may be intuitive may not necessarily be correct with the clevo 4v when comparing with other engines.

[@danielwilson6665]

Blood Moon, your comments about how critical having the right combination for the 4-V heads setup for street use are right on the money. The single plane intake,750 DP along with a carefully selected cam is a monster on the street with the correct supporting parts. The correct differential gear ratio is equally important too. 👍

[@fgchotline3964]

There’s a good reason we’re clevo fans, great engines!! Check out TM Meyer, they’re making their own Cleveland bock

[@rotorr22]

A Scott Cook dual plane looks factory stock, but flows somewhat better. Might have been interesting.

[@dirtymuleracing5321]

Cleveland’s are great, have a CHI headed 393, 608@6950

[@mw4992]

I owned a 71 Boss 351 Mustang for many years, Torker intake, Holley carb, Crane F246 cam, and headers...was a beast. The 2.78 first gear in the Toploader with the 3.91 rear was perfect. Currently have a ‘62 Chevy II with a clone of a 71 LT-1 (flat top pistons), Muncie M-20 (2.54 first gear) and 3.73 rear, it is light and quick but there will ALWAYS be a place in my heart and garage for the 351C!!! The only boosted car in the garage is my son’s Civic hatch with a turbo B20 (total blast to drive!) but Richard, your videos REALLY have me thinking 🤔!!!!!

[@danielwilson6665]

MW…The ‘71 Boss 351 was actually a beast in factory stock trim. I read all of the magazine test articles back then and it was one of the quickest quarter mile performers of all the Mustangs. In showroom stock trim it put the Boss 429 to shame with mid 13 second performance. With the upgrades you listed, it would be a TERROR ! I regret not buying one but I was into my ‘69 Mach 1, 428 CJ with ram air during that time.

[@rocketmann8333]

My dad brought home a 1971 Boss Mustang on a hot summer's' evening when my 6 siblings and friends next door were playing football on the front lawn. We heard it ripping up the road and blasting past like a bullet. It was dusk so the running lights were on and it looked like a damn spaceship! It went out of sight over the next hill and as we all just stood there talking amongst ourselves as to what that was, we heard tires screaming and an engine roaring 1st, 2nd, 3rd CRAP! then up over the hill blistering towards us. Then the gearing down it went sideways into our side yard and stopped on the driveway. As the dust was clearing my dad steps out, I swear he looked like a NASA astronaut at that moment stepping out of that black beauty! OMG!! I was in love with that machine instantly! That car was crazy fast and that motor took some massive punishment from my dads lead foot. it was Truly a MUSTANG Stallion! I washed and waxed it every weekend. My dad gave it to me when I got my 1st job at Red & White Grocery Store when I was in the 10th grade. I was a car junky from then on and have had some nice rides since that day in my life. Unfortunately some (EVIL) dude, lol.. Came to our house and offered my dad some serious cash and my black beauty streaked away into my memories. I still have a lot of feelings about those days and that car, I wish I had her today... When I turned 18 I left Georgia for the San Fernando Valley, wow what an amazing time to be young and a car guy. I saw a 1969 Mach 1 at a street race that had been on the cover of Hot Rod magazine. It was Red, Lowered, big fat tires awesomely trimmed out interior that looked like a cockpit of a fighter jet packing a 351 C with a (PAXTON SUPERCHARGER)!!! 1st time I ever heard that beautiful sound! He raced a 1970 chevelle that had a 454 with a blower sticking out of the hood. The mustang blew out of the hole like a rocket and the chevelle front end went in the air... Mustang GONE!!! Great days!

[@oscaroscar5336]

Any interest in looking at the European v8 the Audi 4.2 - (the de facto European hot rod engine), jaguar xj8 4.0 or 4.2, bmw 4.4.would be interesting to see how they compare to the domesticv8’S

[@saulmoreno3252]

I came a 351C 4v... previous owner set it in a 1967 F100 but never hooked anything up We have it running and on the streets but mow wanting to pull and rebuild, beef it up and dress it up... I wish i knew what parts and brands to use

[@hugieflhr03]

That’s an impressive toque curve!

[@danielwilson6665]

You opened your segment by asking where are all of your 351 Cleveland fans ? If you’re planning a long overdue visit, I will gladly provide exact directions for you but I seriously doubt that is the plan. I’m in the Metro Atlanta area just like I have been for 68 years. I keep the red carpet ready for your arrival, just in case 🤔.

[@williamhardes8081]

i have Cleveland which i hope to rebuild soon, budget willing. i built it in 1990 and it was a VERY healthy motor. only had the butt dyno back then but the engine builder who did the machining for drove it after the build and said he was impressed. i will use exact same cam, love a bit of lump. i'm almost sure you said you were making those figures on standard rods? i have been told the Cleveland's rods are the weakest link? love to know your thoughts? i ways "mostly" aware of the tacho but as i'm sure as your aware, you can bet a bit excited from time to time. BTW i am so ford blue i named my dog Cleveland!

[@Stucifer]

Did you ever revisit the experiment doing things the way you should have? The Supercharger probably would have pared better with the low compression/open chambered heads. The Cleveland is my favorite engine. I hate that it has been forgotten as a performance engine

[@richardholdener1727]

why would lower compression and a less-efficient open-chamber head be better with boost

[@Stucifer]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm by no means comparing my knowledge to yours. I'm not a mechanic at all. I thought I heard comment in the video suggesting the high compression ratio was a problem. A problem that made the engine require race gas to run. Didn't you say you needed an intercooler? That's why I commented about the low compression heads. I just wondered if you had considered using them for your situation.

[@Lagrange1186]

Love me some Cleveland power! Thanks for sharing and please tell me you have turbocharged one of these before!? Would love to see the results!!!!

[@jamiebowles4588]

The intake to head port mismatch may have even helped! Kinda like anti-reversion header flanges. (Cyclone?)

[@wayneireland4802]

When was a teenager in 80s in Australia 351 where insane the smoked all other v8.been in heaps 351 got plenty memories they snap head back real quick.my mate had one in a xd station wagon it was insane to say they least.had to turn it off in drive thru in KFC just to order man that thing went.peace

[@beecj0]

Good show. S480 on the next boss?

[@thabiznizz]

I’m a Chevy fan but this motor impressed me.

[@thabiznizz]

@Brock Main3 I totally agree. It’s nice to see a variety and the innovations of each manufacturer.

[@HioSSilver1999]

The problem with these engines beyond the bottom ends weren't very good is that they're the size and weight of a bbc while not having as good performance. Hell some bbc might be lighter with the factory aluminum heads and intake.

[@vernonknight9455]

@@HioSSilver1999 no they are a small block you're confusing it with a 351M

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@vernonknight9455 no...I'm looking at the size, weight and deck height. With that i come to the conclusion it's big block size.

[@vernonknight9455]

@@HioSSilver1999 9.2 deck height 351W 9.5 BBC 9.8ish 351M 400 10.3

[@mpeugeot]

The 351C-4v was far and away the best small block offered during the muscle car era. I really loved this engine and had one in a 1967 notchback Mustang.

[@besearchingforwisdom6267]

It's my turn today...I love this one.

[@brentgrimes5353]

Great video. I would love to see it with the inner cooler, bigger cam, ported cast iron heads, proper belt, aftermarket intake. Just wondering what the numbers would be.

[@artmosley3337]

750+ at least… wrap a Pantera around it 😂😂😂🤙🏻🇺🇸

[@mistythebest]

Hell Yeah!!! 351C all day !!!! Not modern not big hp but I love it! From Aus.

[@blucheer8743]

The Cleveland is a very under appreciated engine love to see this test with a whipple twin screw and intercooler the hp potential on a stockish Cleveland is ridiculous… thx for work Richard best pure engine/horse power channel on youtube! Keep up the great work!

[@DillonAuto]

It seems John Kaase agrees with your finding on the strongest family. I know he used it to make his Engine Masters winners.

[@baddonkey6876]

I'd love to see how much hp those 4V heads can support on a boss 351 maxed out

[@vernonknight9455]

794 hp

[@rossgirdeen3247]

351 Cleveland is the most interesting engine i really wanna to build one has to settle for a 289 mild build Cleveland is the one you want.

[@donellmuniz590]

Perfect for any Fox body! A lot less weight than a 460, although a 460 can be bored and stroked all the way to 557cid. But it's a lot heavier. That gives me an idea though: build another 557 and boost that! Roots, centrifugal, and turbo! Should be an 1100hp monster!

[@mangomcpoo475]

Clevo!! Yes!!!! Hi from Tamworth Australia :D

[@richardholdener1727]

do you have King Browns in your area?

[@bloodmoon1410]

Also from Tamworth Aust. Yes they are all over most of Aust but not a problem for most people.

[@reevinriggin3570]

Present, Sir! I'm a Cleveland guy. Because boost makes everything better.

[@stevenchavez2003]

Please please please do some European and Japanese v8s

[@boogle785]

Yes a yamaha v8 used in the Volvo

[@boostedperformance4529]

Big Bang 351 Cleveland with twin turbo how much power will the block handle?

[@raginroadrunner]

The other small block??? that6 you cant find..anywhere..

[@watsisbuttndo829]

1980,s ,Clevelands. Top loader. Nine inch. Goodbye bf goodrich radial TA!

[@tevetanders9729]

We want to see More of this.🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@cambec]

Excellent walk through. What are the options if you did not want to use Carb. Could you used a 4150 efi full setup? Paxton states the unit needs a blow-thru carb. However, I called them and they didn't have much of an answer for me about efi, other than "we didn't try it." Is there any reason why a smart EFI wouldn't work with a Paxton? Thanks

[@70_Torino_Guy]

Awesome. Would love to see you revisit this one.... especially correcting for the issues that you had with it.. Would love to hear this thing sing on the dyno... video maybe? 😁 just sayin..

[@jeffschwartz5199]

I had a Q-code 73 351 Mach 1 Mustang in the late 70's . I wish a lot of things , but I really would wish that I had known about blow through boost back then , since that year the Q-code only had 7.9 comp ratio (I think) , and would have been a good candidate . It would rev pretty freely and it had 4-bolt mains straight across the crank . I know , because I put a hole in the oil pan (going too fast on a hilly road) , and had to remove it 😑 . I sure miss those days ! Love your channel !!

[@facciomotors4110]

You should try some first gen AMC v8s, they come stock with forged crankshaft and rods and not a lot of people know about them. The 327 can be brored and stroked to over 400ci too

[@kevinjohnson9372]

Didn't amc make a 401

[@robertfandel9442]

360 390 401 304 and I don't know what else I had a 69 390 javelin.

[@troyblanchard-cilia8820]

I've been dieing to see this. I picked up a 351c with 4v heads and a c4 trans from a 71 stang. For $250cad. The old man was 92 years old and still building cars. I was impressed 👌

[@danielwilson6665]

Troy, even if those heads are the less desirable 4V open chamber design, you got an excellent deal for sure 👍

[@vanawesome]

are the 4V heads a straight swap if i have a 2V motor? Would be interesting to see a 2V vs 4V video.

[@dalecollison791]

Just one last thing too Richard they make an aftermarket 3V head down here which is supposed to be the ducks guts when it comes to clevos. Maybe you wanna try and find a set of those to do a run on? www.chiheads.com.au/product-category/heads/ford-cylinder-heads/3v/

[@richardholdener1727]

I've run those

[@johnkraft7461]

Don't forget Nathan Higgins' clevo head/intake packages - pushed past 1000hp na this week @ 465 ci and 8500 rpm. Aussies and clevos? Fkn aye

[@SteffsGarage]

I just assembled my 351C. Boss inspired build.

[@jpsullivan4845]

Clevelands Rock, not just the power but the sound they make around 5500 rpms. Wish we could hear that Paxton!

[@royheisenberg4306]

Here is a Tall Deck Cleveland with Trick Flow heads and a Brawler…. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGrYgmqboJ6KhqM

[@kevincharles112]

I have this in my 72 Mustang convertible - an M code and even found a D1ZX aluminum intake. Got the motor out of a wrecked Cougar Eliminator several decades ago. Love this motor. I beat my friends 396 SS Chevelle, which made me pretty happy. I've since added a toploader and a 9" rear ... such a fun drive. Thanks for spotlighting this...made me smile.

[@StainlessTIG2]

I used to watch Lost in Space series every Sunday morning before church!

[@jeffschwartz5199]

Do you remember the other one ? I think it was called "It's About Space or Time and Space . I watched "Lost" too . "I'm too young to die" , that guy was pretty queen , even for those days! 🪐

[@duradim1]

The 340 6 pack, while sweet, is not a competitor.

[@waynebreedlove9738]

U opened a 1971 machine 1 with Cleveland 351 aluminum intake with a valve job and a sig erson cam 296 dur. 5.....lift don't remember solid lift. Was the fastest thing on the road ,

[@rono3045]

It would be very smart if Ford was to bring back a 351 Cleveland to compete against Chevy LS push rod motor make this new Cleveland a 3v aluminum head aluminum block supercharged Cleveland. And advertise it with that name on a TV commercial in a 2022 mustang sales would go through the roof

[@johnzuggster6718]

Your the best, much love for all you do for us! And a big thank you Richard!

[@bobcrutchfield4416]

Try building a 408 windsor with cleveland heads without a stroker kit and using all factory parts. It realy dose exist.

[@richardholdener1727]

a 400M does that

[@jameswaits5441]

Not a "Paxton" supercharger but, rather a Turbo-Charger set up. The Paxton unit is diret drive off the crankshaft!

[@richardholdener1727]

This is a Paxton centrifugal supercharger Novi 2000 or 2200-it is NOT a turbo.

[@gregmeredith8753]

They are an awesome engine problem is hard to find parts for them 😊

[@jaybroach980]

I am from the US and I love cleveland engines. I have a 2v from a 74 Fairlane I believe according to the code on it and I'm gonna do a sequential turbo setup and stuff it in my 2000 sonoma 🤪. Oh I'm planning on a modern fuel injection system as well with a racing setup dual fuel rails one set of smaller injectors for street and a bigger set for strip just cause I think it'd be cool.

[@dongeorge4037]

Annoying. I came to see how your Paxton installation was accomplished, ended up seeing a lot of talking head interspersed with way too many boring "techie" charts. IMHO if you're going to be doing a "hot rod engine" show, spend most of the time with the camera focused on the engine.

[@richardholdener1727]

this was not an install video-it was a dyno result video

[@kevinsellsit5584]

No Cleveland build should finish without a set DeTomaso finned aluminum valve covers. (HUGE power) ;)

[@Project-gr6zy]

Would love to see a turboed Boss 300 with the Cleveland head

[@cavscout62]

Just The Most Outlawed engine ever that’s all…

[@331Grabber]

I still have a set of 351 Cleveland 4 barrel heads from 1971 with quench chambers and stud mount rockers. No engine to put them on :(

[@shaynechild2517]

You can still buy short block clevelends get a short block and slap thise heads on it or slap them on a 351w and make a Clevor!

[@timmyhudson8643]

Do ya wanna sell them?

[@pieseasmyseas]

This video is crap we don't hear it run once...

[@Nunya_Beezwax]

Can you PLEASE tell me what you used for brackets to mount the supercharger!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 i have a 1971 Torino GT with the Cleveland, and just bought a Novi 1000, and I can't find ANYONE to help me!!

[@richardholdener1727]

redrilled windsor brackets

[@Nunya_Beezwax]

Thanks!!

[@mgn5667]

order the belt with high cost quick shipping ...?

[@paulcoote3094]

A crank driven direct supercharger has no belts.

[@rustywater3219]

You should do a cleveland specced out by dragboss.

[@Wilson-cp4gx]

Always been a Chevy guy, but have a lot respect for the Cleveland. The 2v head with an aftermarket 4v intake to match the heads made an amazing combo..

[@rocketmann8333]

Defiantly had some great low end torque and was still very potent on the top...

[@johndodd8160]

My favorite v8!! Tough as a Bullitt

[@danonoveh8114]

No matter what u do with these engines they make good power, thats what they were designed for, its so nice to see gus like you showing some of what these great engines really are capable of, thank for these awesome videos👍👍👍

[@danielwilson6665]

Dano, big power is exactly what the design engineers had in mind. Unfortunately a combination of OPEC countries creating a false oil shortage to jack up gasoline prices, government regulations for reduced emissions, insurance companies penalizing high output vehicles and more all hit about the same time the Cleveland was released. It was a huge shit storm that put an end to all muscle car production by 1973. According to the few documents I could find, Ford had big plans for the Cleveland as the FE series was being phased out and they also knew that NASCAR Would soon be requiring mid-sized engines for competition. The Cleveland was going to be the engine of choice for virtually all forms of Motorsport competition. What factory engineer in his right mind would design an engine with such massive ports and valves if serious competition wasn’t on the agenda ? Although it was an available option for the family truckster grocery getter station wagon for a minute, that certainly wasn’t what the long term goal was.

[@lilboss82]

What pulley ratio or sizes were you running on the novi and crank? Was the novi maxed out?

[@richardholdener1727]

Novi was nowhere near maxed out-it will support 1000+ hp

[@paulmbylbie6065]

Future fixed episodes coming........woo hoo

[@jk_navyko9006]

That was great! I have a 351 C in my 67 Mustang much better then the old 289! I would love to see you do more with the 351 C:)

[@edwardgaines9119]

Love it send me brackets I’m down to try it . Love your channel.