Pay and Play: Luck & Rice On the Changing Landscape of College Sports | Uncommon Knowledge

[@leisurelane1]

Wow! Two very impressive people with interesting viewpoints and a fun topic. Great job everyone on a great interview.

[@danielhall3105]

Great interview Peter. Terrific interaction and insight from Andrew and Condi.

[@davec5233]

excellent interview and I agree with much of what Dr.Rice says....

[@diannhall7564]

Fascinating hour of information.

[@rustynails68]

Education needs to be first. Make these athletes good people who can do hard things.

[@jongrant1215]

This is my take. About 40 years ago I attended the University of Nebraska and studied Philosophy in grad college. One of my side hustles (as we now call it) I tutoring student athletes in philosophy. Some were football, some were swimming. One young man I tutored just could not understand certain concepts as it was so abstract. The issue was the mind-body problem. He just couldn't get it. I used the "ghost in the machine" concept by Ryle and others. We talked about it and he had an a-ha moment. It was like a ghost haunting a house. He ended up getting an A on his final exam using this. My point? College education is about college education, not athletics. Nebraska at that time emphasized tutoring and assisting student-athletes. With NIL and Transfer Portal, college education has been reduced and prostituted to mere money and how to get my share. I guess I am too old school but an education will get you much further than a roll of the dice in NIL and pro sports. I use my education in so many ways day to day! As Pink Floyd says in the song "Money": It's a crime Share it fairly, but don't take a slice of my pie Money So they say Is the root of all evil today

[@kakaocorporation]

We have fond memories of watching football games with USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Cal.

[@palmer0006]

Colts fandom and watching Uncommon Knowledge. DIdn't see those interests intersecting but should have given Luck being Luck

[@HippoSquatch]

I have worked in Higher Education for the past two decades. I was very interested in the perspectives within the discussion and the comments I have read here. However, I think there is one very important element missing from the discussion. Universities are not schools. Yes, Universities provide an education to paying customers (students), but if universities did not need a constant supply of revenue or new members, they would not be in the "school" business. As such, universities are not concerned about student athletes, NIL deals, transfer portals, etc... These things do not directly impact a University's goal or foundational mission. Athletics is, as it always has been, peripheral to a university.

[@billhollis4781]

Wish you could have had Dabo Sweeney join this discussion, maybe a revisit in February.

[@supermoneyball420]

3 months feels like a long break I’m sure he’ll enjoy spending the holidays at home this time around though 💀

[@BitcoinMeister]

Luck may have a future in politics....

[@natyong]

Why would he do that to himself? Sports and education is the way forward for him, is my guess.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

I would just like to say, as a Utah alumni, I strongly oppose what that NIL team did in giving away those trucks to the entire team.

[@danimaltheanimal570]

Free market for me not for thee - good thing you are in charge of nothing

[@mdquaglia]

A potential answer for "conferences" is for different sports to have different conference members.

[@filicefilice]

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[@michaeljoenks4633]

I watch "short track" racing. As Ms Rice said all sports are dangerous.

[@bill2292]

I think Ms. Rice should work for free, look how her job landed her a slot on this talk show!

[@cole141000]

Exactly, we don’t apply these nonsense ideas on any other business opportunity except with college athletics

[@mdquaglia]

At the very least, the athletes in "revenue generating" sports should be beneficiaries of insurance policies against injury for future earnings.

[@anDonnchadha]

An out side the box prediction: Cross country travel by big time programs like Stanford et al, will accelerate the arrival of supersonic air travel.

[@happiness8535]

During the pandemic, I was watching a college football game and I had an awakening. I realized I was wasting my life. Very few students athletes were going to get a college degree. I think this is going to be a paradigm shift, but I propose to ban interscholastic sports in all public high schools. Make them academic institutions. This would fundamentally change America for the better. Look at the UK. They have Oxford and Cambridge. They don’t have football or the other football. If we banned interscholastic sports in high schools, the math scores of Americans would go up within ten years. FYI, this is Oxford’s sport scholarship: “The Richard and Eliza Blackwell Sports Scholarship is an annual award of £500 to one individual. The award must be spent on kit, travel, competition and training. This award is open to all students, from any sport, who are continuing to study at Oxford in the next academic year.”

[@cole141000]

…sport or not, production of value deserves its wages - people are paying to watch these kids play, they deserve their wages proportionally It’s not complicated at all. The money has to go somewhere, why would a proportion of the money that would typically go to the athlete go somewhere else? To me, as a business owner, its nonsense.

[@guypotvin6943]

One very important thing was not discussed. What of the majority of college football all and basketball players that fail to get a degree? That don’t get drafted. What of, the recruits that are not really suited educationally attain a degree, and don’t end up turning pro, or even play much in college? Why should it be confined to college education? Why couldn’t it be for the trades, sponsored by the universities?

[@Carlos72797]

I was concerned for the Colorado athletes that Coach Sanders pushed out. But in his defense, the university is paying him a huge amount of money. Do we think the chancellor, trustees, AD, students and fans would say after Year 1, “2W-10L, but let’s wait 4 years and see Coach Prime’s team”. I don’t think so. Coach Sanders did not make the portal rules, he followed them and used them to his maximum benefit. If you don’t like that, change the rules. In reality, this video is about a tiny fraction of NCAA athletes. My daughter was a D1 athlete: no scholarship, no NIL. She used her talent to be admitted to an elite university. D2 & D3 elite (academic) universities often have elite sports because scholar-athletes use their athletic talents to gain admission. John’s Hopkins, Colorado School of Mines, etc.

[@billallen3696]

Andrew should have not waffled on the initial question and I don't want to hear about funding of minor sports dependent on football. Last time I checked, there are many colleges and universities with substantial endowments which should be tapped (and taxed) for these expenses as well as for student loan forgiveness if there is to be forgiveness. And NIL earnings should offset scholarship money. And an app developer student is not necessarily on scholarship. Did I say ENDOWMENT.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Don't really care. Cal football has been so consistently disappointing for so long, that I don't care about college sports.

[@peteyb12]

How does a life time politician become an owner of an NFL team?? What a weird, waste of time and resources this interview is…

[@cole141000]

Man 10:26 😅 it doesn’t matter how she feels about it’s impact - is the individual free to choose or not? And then make rules but being more like the current NFL than the old collegiate system is the correct direction. And isn’t the university free to reject them or negotiate a contract/details? These are all business arrangements and no one should be making these decisions for them. They are adults, this isn’t government funded public education anymore with some mandatory attendance or parameters set up by those who think they know best for other individuals.. . No one is better situated to make personal choices than those in their particular circumstance and ambitions or those familiar with said person - and in general, we should allow the market more freedom

[@thirdrockjul2224]

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[@cole141000]

7:01 “what am I gonna do?” Is the university a business or a non-profit organization? Good grief. They clearly capitalize financially in offering these opportunities otherwise they wouldn’t have them. That’s business 101. Whether they attract more people to attend and pay tuition or whether they actually generate enough revenue to have a net income from it. Either way, they are charging money, capitalizing on the football athletes value production and why shouldn’t the athlete do the same? In fact, if we were really preparing them for the real world with a good education - we’d train them to think with a business mindset from the start! They need to know how to calculate and measure the value they add to society so they can aim to maximize the value they offer to make a living and function accordingly. What else is college meant to do if it is not to prepare students to add value/to generate an income? Later she goes on to say “do you really wanna sacrifice all these other sports!?” I hate to break it to her, but it is not her or any university director’s question to answer. It is the athlete’s decision. Just like we don’t go to the store when the prices for an item are outside of our budget and say “do you really want me to sacrifice not having this item?” It is the athletes rightful wages, not anyone else’s. It’s their production and value. We don’t get to decide what the company we buy from does with their income, neither should we with college athletes.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Interesting and disappointing. No directions.

[@kylepatterson3555]

It’s very frustrating watching this. The interviewer is so over his head. He can’t keep up.

[@five_degreesoff8985]

The transfer portal is the problem.

[@Georgesbarsukov]

I'm not a fan of these episodes with Condoleezza Rice. They seem like they're more about opinions than thoughts.

[@TheChinaPlay]

Let the kids make money but raise the gpa to be eligible to play.

[@gturcott1]

Luck was burned out on football and the injuries

[@mhtinla]

Professional sports, as a whole, is a net negative to the society.

[@Georgesbarsukov]

That's so weird how a college degree is equated to 1 million dollars across a lifetime. That's kind of &#!T.

[@jabberjaw1067]

Seriously, C. Rice's opinion matters to anyone?

[@ewangent]

Well she's an NFL owner so even if you disagree with her politics that's significant.

[@mattthompson8329]

Actually, yes... as a senior leader with a strong connection to Stanford and a long history in sports (now as a part owner), so... why does your opinion matter here?

[@loloholmes2793]

​@ewangent She is? I mean, maybe she is, but I quit watching Pro football during the taking a knee for the anthem bullshit.

[@goldengaming177]

Seriously, Jabberjaw1067's opinion matters to anyone?

[@thewealthofnations4827]

She was the first to expose to me the great tragedy of many many many college athletes NOT graduating with a degree. Listen to her and her organisation and you will learn something.