PAYLOAD PROBLEMS: HOW MUCH CAN I (REALLY) TOW? RV Truck & Trailer

[@KeepYourDaydream]

If you would like the spreadsheet I used in this video, you can download it on the blog here. By downloading, you agree to take responsibility to check the formulas and data. If you have corrections or suggestions, let me know. www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/

[@vengeance268]

Keep Your Daydream I’m curious of how your numbers were when Ginger was being towed by your previous truck!

[@TomTerleski]

Bravo! Great for understanding the terms! I do have a question though. Your hitch weight assumes not having a distribution hitch. If you are using one, some of the hitch weight is transferred to the front TV wheels and some to the trailer wheels. Your spreadsheet does not account for that. It could bring the available TV payload up. Is that right? Great video!

[@TheMsolomon4]

Hey guys, I have been watching a few of your videos and they are very well done. On your most recent video there is a very easy fix to your rig. It appears you are calculating for a 15% tongue weight. If you were to continue using your weight distribution hitch, your tongue weight will easily drop closer to 10% (where it should be). This will allow you to pull your rig within the limits. At times when you are going through areas of high wind and or snow you can simply move more weight to the front of the rig in order to allow for more tongue weight which in turn should minimize sway. Thus inabling more control.

[@timbo5433]

I've got to say bravo on your drive to learn and share what you've learned with your subscribers. Very well done on the details and your spreadsheet. It definitely opened my eyes enough to recalculate the size travel trailer I should be looking for. I'm doing what you did to start out which is looking for something that will be towable with my F150 for now. Thanks Marc

[@hyperducky]

Ray Romero I would guess the 150 had a payload of at most~1800 so probably over by ~600 lbs might explain the air bags to level even after the weight distribution hitch. I guess I'd look at a 1 ton truck just for the extra payload when we upgrade

[@jeffkruljac]

I’m that guy that is thinking about getting into rv’ing for vacations etc. I have neither the truck nor the RV, so videos like this are invaluable and exactly what i need. Thanks so much for the information.

[@EricBodenstab]

Just saw this video. May I ask what you ended up going with?

[@Hidingfrompeople]

Don't do it. There's enough morons like this guy out there already unable to drive their stupid oversized trailers with their tiny trucks.

[@jeffkruljac]

@@EricBodenstab Nothing yet. I still have a year to go on a lease I am in. But I am enamored with the Rockwood mini lite 2507s for the trailer. As for the truck....... I like the ram 1500 eco diesel since the truck will be my primary commute truck. If that doesn't work then I will be looking at 3/4 ton diesels. I am sticking with the used market because I don't want a car payment anymore. Since I'm still a year out im taking the time to do a lot of research and saving.

[@andrewmoe1192]

I agree. I bought a truck for other purposes and NOW im starting to think about towing.

[@mambisquickRob]

@@jeffkruljac Check out the Silverado RST with the 3.0 Diesel if you are into eco diesels. I have a 2020 and average 28/30 mpg highway (not towing) and 18/19 around town.

[@dankellar8346]

If there were a "Golden Globe" for useful You Tube content, you'd be a sure winner! I almost made the same mistake purchasing a rig that would have been over my tow vehicle's capacity. I was using the truck's sales literature's towing capacity along with the Travel Trailer's GVWR. Everything looked to line up: I have a 12000 tow capacity, and I was buying a 10,000 GVWR trailer. However, a deeper dive into my specific truck and its payload capacity caused me to put the brakes on my trailer purchase. I'm retiring and going full-time within the next month. I cannot afford to travel with a truck/trailer combo that's too close to the limits. Thanks again for this video. I know there are others out there that will tow safer/ live longer as they use the info you provided. AND the spreadsheet was killer!

[@davidkoeppen3121]

@ are you being funny? He said that the truck he was interested in had too low of a payload so he put the brakes on going ahead with buying it not putting actual trailer brakes on it.

[@thegingersnaps8075]

I had a salesman say “we would never sell you something your vehicle can’t tow” ya, sure buddy! Thanks for the video.

[@azyavapairangers6453]

Absolutely the most comprehensive video primer on "towing capacity" I have seen. Thank you, I learned a considerable amount.

[@ONWorldTravel]

We can't tell you how helpful this was for when we purchased our first trailer this year. We recreated your spreadsheet and learned we'd be okay. It's been 3 months and it's towed like a champ. Thanks Mark and Tricia! :)

[@Mr.frag-out]

Make sure your GCWR is always under 26001 lbs unless you have a class A CdL license. If not you're rig can be deadlined, and major fines commence. Have fun be safe

[@LeisureTimeLarry]

Finally, somebody got it right! Good job! This is such a misunderstood subject, and it is often ignored. The only addition that I would suggest is checking the hitch rating itself. Example, I was recently going to help a guy haul a Kubota utility tractor on a flatbed trailer. He showed up with a F-350, dually, crew cab, long bed, and a 10,000 GVWR trailer. All of the numbers looked good until I looked at the sticker on the hitch/receiver mounted on the truck... the carrying capacities on the sticker were 6,000 lb towing and 600 lb of tongue weight, making it a Class III hitch. We would've been over on both. So, just because you have a big boy truck doesn't mean that it has a hitch mounted to it that will meet the need. Always check the ratings on the hitch, ball mount, ball, etc.

[@KeepYourDaydream]

Good point. I'm going to get into hitch weight when we upgraded hitches. I just wanted to stay on the payload issue because it seems that is the biggest limitation and most misunderstood.

[@MikeNaples]

Larry you might have been looking at only the "WC" specs on that hitch. On my '16 F-150 (with standard tow package-Class IV receiver) carrying capacity on the hitch-receiver is 500# tongue and 5000# towing. The "WD" (weight distribution) specs are 1100# tongue and 11,000# towing. Even though it might have required a WD hitch I'd bet that F350 could have safely towed that trailer. What I don't understand is how a WD hitch can more than double the towing capacity. I understand (I think) the increase in tongue weight capacity.

[@keithbyerly2979]

Keep Your Daydream we ripped off the original hitch on our Motorhome, on our move to AZ from PA. Had a 10,000 lb installed in Wheeling WV, not sorry I did that. Because we used to pull a 10,000 lb box trailer( well a 9999 lb). Better to have over kill 😎

[@LeisureTimeLarry]

Yeah Mike, it was WC I was looking at because that was the way we were going to pull it. The WD numbers were higher, but we didn't have a WD set up. I'm sure the F-350 would've handled it, I'm just making the point that the hitch system has its own ratings and people need to look at those numbers and factor them into the equation. Thanks for the reply. Safe travels.

[@dominick253]

@@MikeNaples also it is know that these things are rated at half of their breaking strength if not more.

[@sisterdynastytsf2692]

Just bought our first travel trailer. We pick it up on Saturday. Been watching tons of your videos every night since. We are absolute noobs but ready to learn. My husband had a nervous breakdown when he watched this video and realized his Ram 1500 was not going to get us up the mountains of Colorado and through the deserts of Arizona safely. So, yesterday we went and got him a Ram 2500 Cummins Deisel. We are so excited to start this adventure!! Thanks to you and Tricia for the great information every week. "Get busy living. Or get busy dying" - Andy Dufrasne

[@andrewmoe1192]

Best wife ever

[@karenrobertson890]

The better question is what didn't I learn. You are never boring, this was a very comprehensive explanation of very important information. Dare I say I think you have just made the roads a safer place and saved lives with this video. Fantastic job as always, your a natural. Keep up the great work. and Thank-you Everyone towing an RV or thinking about it needs to watch this video!

[@DeepOwl1073]

I've been a heavy haul lowbed driver for 27 years. I have to deal with load weights daily. I am permitted to haul 126,425 lbs., and I drag that up 9% grades at 15 mph regularly. This week we bought our first travel trailer. My Nissan Frontier has a tow capacity of 6200# so we bought a Rockwood GeoPro 20bhs that is 3,513 dry with a gvwr of 4,445. You want to get the lightest trailer that will fit your needs. You don't have to bump up to a bigger unit just because the numbers say you can pull it. Constant towing at maximum capacity puts a lot of wear and tear on your vehicle. Excellent channel. Y'all are very entertaining, and the information is very clear and well presented.

[@DeepOwl1073]

@@Hidingfrompeople I'm not tracking. Which enemy did I join? Nissan? Geo Pro? Because I'm pulling a tiny trailer instead of a huge one??? If you're going to shame me, perhaps you should be more clear.

[@DeepOwl1073]

@@Hidingfrompeople sorry bro, I'm just not getting your joke

[@BustinBill]

Dude...... Great video. I know this is a few years old but, after the 30 videos I've watched trying to explain trailering and weight....... This is by far the best video and explanation ON THE INTERNET!!!!! Great job!

[@ridevirginia862]

You're a good teacher. I learned that I need to weigh my truck and trailer right away.

[@Sh1nrin_Yoku]

Hey there, coming from someone who has no experience in towing...this was really well made. You were well spoken, and your calculations were very clear. Thanks for making this video. It is appreciated!

[@deborahbrown2614]

I never found you boring. I learned I need a dully for the RV rig I have in mind. Better to be safe, and better to treat my equipment right, that is why there are all those numbers. They MEAN something. Thank you so much.

[@kingjames1308]

Fantastic video and info man. Most people don't understand Payload is really your most important number. Start there and if your within payload 99% of the time you will be within the GVWR and GCWR.

[@mikesheahan6906]

This is the most comprehensive explanation of this topic I have seen on KZbin. Thanks for taking the time to put it together in such an easy to understand format.

[@daveswaisgood7995]

We bought a Chevy 4x4 diesel crew cab full bed dually so we could pull most larger fifth wheels and not worry much about it. We have a 37 ft toy hauler.... I did all the numbers once but I need to redo them and write them in my book to keep in the truck. Good video Marc!

[@tatedottech]

You had me at "i have a spreadsheet". I NEED IT IN MY LIFE

[@mikeurquhart6405]

Best explanation of towing capacity I've found to date! As a result (and a couple of verification visits to the local CAT scales), I found I was typically over my max payload (and Truck GVWR). Thankfully, I was able to upgrade from my 3/4 to a 1 ton truck with more than enough capacity to safely pull my half-ton rated 5th wheel. Safety and peace of mind is everything! Thank you for the lesson...I was pretty much cluless about this aspect of towing.

[@edwardbaebler243]

We have been watching you for a few years, and enjoy EVERY video. we are in the market for a new camper, without changing our TV. this video saved us from buying a rig that would have made us illegal. THANKS so much for the spreadsheet.

[@Fozzy325]

Massive massive thank you for the excel sheet you have made.... After doing my math and not understanding the Trailer GVWR and trailer payload i had a shock that i was 1300lb over loaded. After using your tool and understanding your explanation I now have a Available Payload of 224lbs As my vehicle 2016 Land Rover LR4 HSE they do not use the GCVWR name but Gross Train Weight (GTW) , it's the same.. They also do not use Hitch weight but Tongue Weight Unbraked trailers 1 653 (750) Trailers with overrun brakes 7 716 (3 500) Tongue weight 551 (250) Gross Train Weight (GTW) 14 903 (6 760) Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) 7 187 (3 260) Maximum front axle load 3 197 (1 450) Maximum rear axle load 4 090 (1 855) Maximum roof rack load 165 (75) I have a starcraft 26BHW UVW 4,300.00 GVWR 6,500.00 Hitch Weight 551.00 Many thanks

[@gvc56100]

good job Marc....you hit all the important numbers,,,most folks rely on salespeople for their info and that's their first mistake....

[@mikebrown3603]

Bought my F-350 6.7L PS SRW first then a GD Reflection. Went to CAT scale, weighed it and thankfully all checked well within Ford limits. Totally agree that Salesmen, both truck and 5er, paint a rosey picture, and don’t come close to working the numbers as you’ve done. Excellent video! Kudos to you! I keep a copy of my CAT scale certificate inside the truck, in case I get pulled over.

[@leighsheppard8614]

Sorry, I need some clarification. What is a CAT scale? Are we talking about the commercial vehicle weigh stations?

[@officer103]

yes he is.

[@mikebrown3603]

I apologize for not saying. We found CAT scales along the major interstate highways truck fueling stops. Not always, but frequently. Big yellow sign CAT Scales. Drive on the scale and speakerphone to the scale person inside a booth far away! I said I wanted a weight ticket for the RV and truck. $11 pay inside. You stay in the vehicle when being weighed. Then drive off scale, go to the scale office, pay the fee and get your certificate. For first timers, a little complicated, but really easy. Good luck!

[@steve6631]

The CAT scales now have an app for your smart phone. I love it - just drive on the scale and open your app, the app uses gps to know what CAT scale you are on. Tap accept and tap pay on the app ($11) and you get an email with your weights. Don't have to push the button, don't have to talk to anyone, don't have to go inside to pay -- just pull up, open app, activate weighing, get email. Love it!

[@etepstudios]

This is by FAR the best video on this topic. Hands down. There are a number of other videos out there that do a good job (some that do a terrible job) but this one uses real numbers and shows the process of figuring it all out. But what pushes this one over the top is that EXCEL SHEET. Thank you so much for that @Keep Your Daydream!!! With that excel sheet we were quickly able to sort our our weights and pull me back from the edge of cancelling the order on our trailer. This showed we were good and if I then factor in a weight distribution hitch, we are very good in terms of payload. Thank you again! One thing I did go through before this is that I weighed our vehicle with all of us in it with a full tank of gas. I thought the full tank factored into the payload. But it in fact does not as it factors into the Curb Weight. I also was getting Curb Weight and the dry weight of the vehicle (no fuel) which I thought was the GVW. I was wrong again there. Therefore after watching this video I was able to weigh the vehicle again without anyone in it and all the cargo out of it to compare to the manufacturer's posted curb weight and was within 100 lbs of that number. That makes sense to me as we have all the options on the truck so that would account for the extra weight. Key to this, was the difference in that number (manufacturer's posted number and our number at the weigh scale) DOES count against our payload. Curb weight is standard options only. But I now had a good number to go with for what our typical (and then some because we have a sand bag in the truck for winter) payload in the truck would be without the trailer on it. Then add the tongue weight to that to get our final payload needs (again subtract a little if using a weight distribution hitch but that's another topic). Anyway, long paragraph and comment just to say THANK YOU!

[@NXS07WesternStar]

As a C.D.L.. or in Canada a Class 1 driver, you are dead on with this vid. Especially about the Accident and being over your weight limits...if you are over, as you said you are screwed... excellent info well done.....

[@flippyfeet2]

Holy cow! My hubby and I were just having this very conversation today! The vid could not have come at a better time. Lots of info. Thank you so much.

[@gy56]

My wife & I are getting back into rv camping. We stopped after my daughter got in college. This video helps me remember important items to review. I got pulled over in Oregon for speeding in my old ford/trailer combination, not only speeding but overload fine. Ugh was expensive day. Great information provided. Going shopping for trailers this weekend. Seattle tundra guy.

[@daw764]

Absolutely needed discussion. Thank You! There are way to many rigs out there that are over the limits, or at a minimum, pushing the limits. You are So Right - Do not listen to RV salesman. Do your own calculation based on you Truck and Rig’s stated limits. Safety First !! Remember these are massive projectiles traveling down the interstate.

[@bdsummers4]

Can’t thank you enough for this video. We are huge fans and watch every Sunday night. We have bought a boat and were looking to tow with our Range Rover Sport. I added the hitch myself. I called my insurance company today and they told me it would compromise my insurance if I were in an accident and it likely would not be covered. Your comment at the end of the video prompted me to make that call. Thank you

[@cbro777]

For those of us who are details crazy this was a very important video. I really hope people pay attention to the details and all the work you put into putting this together. It's so important to have the right Towing specs on the vehicles you're going to utilize. I've seen so many RVs and pickup truck combinations that have ended up rolling over flipping over skidding off the road due to bad weather. And that whole liability issue is real my friends. Do it right and Never take shortcuts trust me it's not worth it.

[@ken12269]

This is such important information, thanks for doing this. I've learned a lot of this the hard way as I ratcheted up through various trailers and tow vehicles. So much better to know this stuff up front before making any decisions. Published "tow ratings" mean very little in the real world, and people need to remember they are based on a vehicle and driver only - no other payload or passengers. Nobody travels like that. Salesmen are more focused on sales than safety. The most eye opening moment of my RVing life was the first time I actually went to a cat scale and weighed our setup...not the place to learn. With our truck, trailer, all our stuff, etc, we were within 800 lbs of our gross combined weight rating. Too close for comfort for me, and our tanks were empty and my wife wasn't even in the car. We upgraded the tow vehicle shortly thereafter. Being "undertrucked" as they say is not only no fun but it is potentially unsafe for any RVer and everyone around them. A unique, individual calculation/breakdown like you do here is not only smart, it should actually be REQUIRED before hitting the road.

[@lanceballew2304]

I would say that really out of all of the many videos that I have watched on this channel this is the most interesting and important info for anyone thinking about RVing part or full time also Mark did a great job making sense of what in my view is a really complicated subject easier to understand great job Mark

[@LoreleiBlue75]

I was just pointed to your spreadsheet! That is so awesome! As a future newbie who is just wading into the water, this is super useful information. Thank you for creating and sharing it!!!

[@mikeramsay5964]

I reread my comment from 20 hours ago. It didn't sound right. Your video IS really useful to RVers. There aren't many posts to help with weight issues for RVers, yours is the best I've seen. Thanks.

[@asystolik]

A lot of numbers here, but I think this is the best explanation of them that I've seen! Many people told me that a one ton was too much truck, but you've confirmed for me that's exactly what we'll need!

[@as179mike]

I had the same realization as you when I went to a cat scale and saw that I was closer to my GCWR on my f350 DRW and 40’ triple axel 5er than I thought. You mentioned GAWR is going to be included in a later video. I’d argue that depending on load distribution in the trailer that could be the most critical WR. Remember the blown tire in season 1? Thanks for the video. This is an important topic. I see a lot of large trailers going down the road and I hope those drivers run the numbers like you did.

[@Phunkdewbiest]

Excellent video. This is such a crazy topic that lots of people don't fully understand. Great job getting this info to everyone.

[@jeanninekoski1699]

My husband just researched the fire out of trucks once again. Came to the same conclusion: dullies, one ton long box for pulling our fifth wheel. Great video guys, thank you for this. If folks don’t understand it, I hope they watch it over and over til they do.

[@curtegerer7151]

In addition to easily handling the payload, a dually is so much more stable going down the road. It's the proper tool for the job when it comes to 5th wheels.

[@jeanninekoski1699]

Curt Egerer: we just moved from Florida to Texas. I was following my husband as he was pulling our Hitchhiker fifth wheel down the highway. A guy went by us pulling a comparable fifth wheel on probably a three-quarter ton without dual lies and that thing swayed really badly. It was interesting to actually be able to compare them side by side and see the stability our truck brought. When my husband bought the truck he actually bought it for me because he knew I would be out on the highway pulling this rig and he wanted me safe.

[@curtegerer7151]

No doubt. I'm at a park now and there's a couple with a new Mobile Suites (very heavy trailers) and pulling it with a SRW 1-ton. They also have the added weight of a 80-gallon auxiliary fuel tank in the bed! They've got to be at least 1000-1500 lbs over payload.

[@brandonsyanez]

This is by far the most comprehensive and responsible video out there for any one who has a camper, is considering a camper, or who finds themselves needing to tow really anything. Thank you!

[@robbaxter6146]

New to RVing and I wish I had found this earlier. Made sense out of all the specs. Thank you. We found a trailer we love, but now I’m shopping for a bigger tow vehicle.Forewarned is forearmed.

[@kathygregory9755]

This was the absolute best and most informative video I have seen so far on the subject of RV's!! Thank you so much!!

[@TimHPop776]

Wow! Finally! Someone actually gets the information and details of these details exactly right!! It is refreshing and a fantastic video!! Well done 👍

[@elricm13]

Spreadsheet is great! Thank you. Awesome summary, even scarier on the road watching what people drive......

[@CheryleTeresi]

Where did you find the spreadsheet to dowload?

[@jamesdixon4601]

I can't just say one thing I learned from your video all I can say is I appreciate every step you took to explain things to people watching this video. Thank you very much you have helped me make some important decisions

[@brianblatt9528]

Great info! That spreadsheet is wonderful. We found the used 5th wheel of our dreams (DRV Mobile Suites - 39 ft) and then had to find the right truck to pull it. We currently had a Ford F-250 and knew that wasn't going to pull it. Found an F-350, which isn't easy right now. We pick up the camper on Wednesday and are excited to hit the road! We will send pictures of ginger!

[@searchingfor6thgear44]

Thanks for this and the spreadsheet on your page. I've been going around in circles trying to figure everything out. It's nice to see that with our "ideal" travel trailer set at its max GVWR and calculating a new hitch weight based on the trailer's GVWR, we have plenty of capability left in our F 250.

[@djmj12714]

@2:06 Curb weight @2:23 GVW (gross vehicle weight) @3:08 GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) @3:25 GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating) @4:21 GAWR (gross axle weight rating) @4:46 Payload/cargo @5:06 Unloaded vehicle weight

[@swgerow]

Man this is awesome! Been guessing for years. Really puts it all together...and keeps people safe! Thanks for the vid and spreadsheet!!!

[@profile428]

Where can I find it? Thanks

[@seanhenriques808]

I keep coming back to this video again and again as well as referring people to this video. The RV GURU breaks it all down for us. Excellent tutorial.

[@dwoodygura]

Thanks. This is exactly what we needed as we are looking for a truck to tow a 22ft lightweoght camper. The sales people tell you all kinds of things and only look at towing capacity. Your work sheet is very useful. I feel like many folks I see towing are likely doing so in an unsafe manner.

[@mattjohnson3140]

Mark your right on looking at the numbers. But if you or any of the KYD followers are considering a F-350 or 1 tone truck, please look at the F-450. It's close in price, holds more weight ( think safety and stability) bigger running gear, hubs and breaks. And belive it or not turns sharper and runs over bumpy roads smother. We have had 3/4 and 1 tons. And our F-450 out performs them all Keep up the good info Matt Johnson

[@vengeance268]

matt johnson you need to make sure it is equipped with the wide track front axle in order to get the better turning.

[@mattjohnson3140]

Ray Romero I be live all F-450's come with the wider front end. Ford had to do that to accommodate the larger drive gear and axels that handles the extra weight.

[@laurenhansman3447]

You are correct Matt - all F450 and F550 trucks come with the wider front axle which significantly improves the turning radius. For the model year 2015 and 2016 F350 dually trucks with the max tow option Ford added the F450 wide track front axle. I have a 2015 F350 dually with this option and love the significantly reduced turning radius which is very useful when moving a trailer in tight quarters too. Unfortunately Ford no longer offers the wide track front axle on F350 dually trucks starting with the 2017 model year so one has to purchase an F450 to get the wide track front axle now. Note that although the F450 has a higher towing capacity than an F350 dually, the payload capacity of the F450 truck is actually less than that of an F350 dually. This is because the F350 and F450 dually's both have a GVWR of 14,000 pounds but the larger brakes, running gear, front axle etc. increase the weight of an F450 approximately 1,200 pounds over the of an F350 dually. As a result, the F450 can't carry as much as the F350 dually. Having driven F350's for a number of years, I can say that if I were to purchase a dually again I would definitely go the F450 route as I really like the better turning radius and maneuverability with the wide track front axle. Another great video KYD and please keep them coming. Lauren Hansman

[@laurenhansman3447]

matt johnson I just pulled up the specs from the Ford website for crew cab duallys: F350 4x2 3,153kg vs F450 4x2 2,540kg F350 4x4 2,967kg vs F450 4x4 2,395kg As I stated the cargo carrying capacity of an F450 crew cab dually pickup truck is around 600kg (1,200lbs) less than that of an F350 dually. Lauren

[@d.pollard5962]

matt johnson you and Lauren really brought it home. I will have to reevaluate my next truck purchase. Thanks for the info

[@TheKonabear123]

Love this! My buddy was asking us a ton of questions about this literally a few days ago and then you upload this video! Perfect timing! And very well put together! Great job!

[@edwardmoulaison1359]

Dude, you went all geeky, nerdy, RV techy and I LOVE it!! Good job...

[@KeepYourDaydream]

Lol.

[@THETOPGLOCK]

Between this video and BTBRVs channel you can’t go wrong choosing the correct combination. Love the video.

[@Prabagosatx]

Wow, this is a lifesaver! Thank you so much. I downloaded your sheet, chrome wouldn't open it so I used safari, entered all of my numbers and wouldn't you know it, my 2017 Navigator is able to tow the RV, GVWR 7995, I was looking at! I was hesitant to trust what the dealer was telling me and knowing now how much weight I can add and or remove is perfect. Much appreciated.

[@vthorseshoe]

extremely interesting. I will be looking for a new truck in the next 2 years. I am in a campground outside Tampa . I have been rving since 1980 and am now full time. The most poignant point you make is, if in an accident and your weight is over proper limit your insurance company could leave you to the wolves. i have a 4 x 4 1/2 ton and ill be going to a 3/4 ton. Thank you for providing this info in a manner even I could understand. Bruce Matthews

[@harleydavidson521]

WOW!!!! Wish i seen this video earlier, i have now learned that my NEW 2018 Ram 1500 5,7 Hemi quad cab truck wont tow anything except an under 30 ultra ultra light, almost zero of what i want in a 5th wheel, So now im going to trade to a diesel 1 ton and get a 5th wheel so i can tow in safety with all the goodies on the rig want, Cheers and happy trails,😀

[@RiverWoods111]

Look at the numbers that that truck can tow, cause a diesel engine weighs more than a gas engine, so you might not be able to tow a 5th wheel with that 1 ton dually even, if the extras on it weigh too much.

[@rogerespinoza9367]

Great video. A lot of people dont realize the difference between "tow capacity" and payload. Just like you said "the sales person doesnt even know" they would rather up sale you than ensure you and your families safety.

[@robertploss8715]

The effort made to post information on this topic is very commendable. Any effort to shed light on this subject is noteworthy because too many folks are unable to give it the attention it deserves, as mentioned in the3 video. With credit given, these items need to be mentioned as well: 1. Given there are always factors that will not be accounted for, The goal should be to stay under 80 to 85% of these limits. 2. As touched on Gasoline, propane, batteries and other fluids are not included in the UVW or "dry weight". Neither is the fifth wheel hitch. 3. Payload is the most common overload.

[@thats_mr_b_]

Glad I found this as me and my GF prepare to do travel work and live in a 5th wheel

[@EkalbGnilrad]

Great video. Your commentary regarding the consequences of operating over gross are definitely worth contemplating. Some more food for thought; while it does appear that you are operating over gross, I feel like you’re compounding safety factors by running your calcs at full GVWR for both the truck and trailer. The likelihood of the truck and trailer being at GVWR at the same time seems low...but I acknowledge that your family might actually achieve this. If I were in your situation, I would go to the scales and run your loadout calcs based on actual weights (including tongue weight), and keep these calcs available in the event of an accident or inspection. Love your channel, keep up the fun content!

[@KeepYourDaydream]

We hit the scales about 6 times totals. You'll see a bit more on that in the regular episode. Thanks for the comment.

[@jameseahughes]

I learned: 1. I know nothing 2. I need to rewatch video

[@manictiger]

He's basically talking about how the tachyonic expression at the median of the normal curve will vary when the gluons cross the mean threshold, where mu crosses sigma. At 4 standard deviations forward of the gravimetric positron relationship curve, there should be a probability of x over y cubed, divided by the sum of all the population means, which is the dark matter constant across the universe, divided by the higgs field mass variance squared times the expansion of polarons divided by matter times change squared.

[@lisay5450]

manictiger you forgot pi...thats key to your equation 🤣🤣🤣

Obviously!

[@Zeppelinlv2007]

@@manictiger forgot to carry the one!

[@georgedoolittle9015]

just buy an F-450 and you're fine. That simple.

[@terryhaley7781]

The sheets are incredibly helpful. Not only does it provide peace of mind, but by understanding more about the truck and its specs, you can see when it's possible to upgrade the components (such as gear ratio) vs upgrading the truck. Right now we have enough truck for what we're pulling by a few hundred pounds. If we wanted more trailer, we have the option to upgrade the axles before looking at a new truck. Good stuff.

[@gregorypecaut7164]

You would also have to look at your tires, and brakes.

[@M_morin-08]

wow finally someone who explained it correctly... i was police officer during 27 years and i saw all kinds of them (xtra big RV with small p-up truck) on the road... dangerous for all users. thankyou and have i nice day

[@fhuber7507]

Remember... if you have a camper shell, that is part of your CARGO (payload) You can put it somewhere else in that spreadsheet, but it needs to be counted effectively as payload in the bed.

[@cookiepups2]

Great video especially when it comes to safety. I’m currently looking at a 2018 forest river heritage glen 356QB. And I’m not worried about the weight I got a ram 3500 Laramie longhorn mega cab dually but I definitely considered it when I was buying my truck. But I love to see someone very educated explain how to properly and safely go out and have fun with the family.

[@miketeefey9049]

Love it! We're looking to buy a fifth wheel AND a truck. I'll definitely use this video to determine the correct match.

[@judb2566]

Great job! Best explanation I've seen. When I've gotten into discussions on this topic my experience is that most are either unaware, or don't care about this issue of overweight towing. I believe there is a government sponsored study that suggests over half of the trucks pulling a trailer are technically overloaded. And, I believe many believe that adding air bags to level the truck mitigates this problem. IT DOES NOT. My experience is that the weight rating for the rear axle (and the resulting payload capacity) is the most limiting statistic to consider and the one most often ignored or misunderstood. There wold be more duallys out there if more people followed your analysis and stayed within the capacity guidelines of their tow vehicle. I would only add that I think the weight of a full tank of fuel must also be included in the payload total.

[@chichijima4257]

Is about time someone explained loud and clear how our weight capacity work…thank you and keep up the good job …

[@gizmopilot]

I had just done these numbers before I ordered my 2018 platinum f150 w Max Tow and decided to stay conventional trailer with my hensley. I didn’t have the heart to bring it up to you just after you got your beautiful new f250 - you may want to look into redistribution of the trailer payload to reduce your tongue weight it seems heavy for your trailer weight - also when you are using the weight distribution and weigh your completely loaded rig you may be surprised how much weight gets moved back to the trailer and off the tongue. Good Luck on your decision 😐

[@KeepYourDaydream]

We're looking into the Hensley too. Nice.

[@DanKuhn]

Right? 280 pounds over, 300 pounds of cargo... Why did you get a 28' travel trailer only to throw 300 pounds of cargo in the truck? The point of having a massive TT is so you can put ALL your stuff in it.

[@tombrennan6312]

Weight distribution hitches take load off the rear axle but reduce tongue weight. An overloaded receiver will still be overload using a WD hitch even though an overloaded rear axle may no longer be.

[@glenf4115]

@@tombrennan6312 Correct, the spring bars of a WD hitch ADD tongue weight to the hitch. They simply apply torque to the tow vehicle to push the front of the tow vehicle down if your headlights are pointed up into the sky.

[@ClubMayview]

Never trust the rv salesman on what you can tow.

[@MrErichonda30]

Never trust a rv salesman for anything.

[@bizzle4819]

Never trust any salesman

[@scott8908]

Matthew Burgess Never trust the wrong salesman

[@scott8908]

grandpa5x Pulliam That’s the case for most, sure. But that’s a pretty broad statement. I’ve encountered salesmen who actually dissuaded me from a sale because they didn’t think it fit my needs. Just gotta find the right salesman

[@ellarry5519]

A salesman wouldn't sell me an rv because he tought it would be too heavy for my truck that he hadn't seen (because we went in a f450 that my friend has) even though I promise him I would be buying an f450 myself in the near future, he still wouldn't sell it to me, today I Thank him for that. I went with the lighter,less expensive, shorter rv, and and today is a year later and have not bought the f450...

[@curtarthur5366]

This is RV'ing 401. Great in depth info.

[@oldcdawg1]

I already had my truck (Ram 1500) and your video helped me tremendously when I went shopping for a new travel trailer. I went to the manufactures website and found my safe capacities and then went shopping. I couldn't believe the sales people that either didn't know or didn't care that I bought a trailer that my truck could tow. I am sure that I would have purchased the wrong unit if I hadn't watched your video first. Some of the sales people would tell me that my Ram 1500 could pull way more trailer than it really can. I found out where not to buy real quick. Thanks so much. Larry

[@texasplumr]

I recently discovered your videos and subscribed to your channel. Without a doubt you post the most informative videos for folks who are planning to buy an RV and start exploring this lifestyle. One of the most important things I learned from them so far is to start with what you have! Thank you so much for that because I have been stressing about buying a one ton diesel and a fifth wheel and fitting that all in my budget when I already have a 2008 Tundra TRD 4X4 with the 5.7 engine. The light bulb came on when I heard you say that! My truck only has 90K miles on it now so why not do the upgrades you mentioned in your "Towing with a half ton" video and start with a smaller trailer? Brilliant! Thank you so much and I look forward to the next video!

[@bryanlikescats]

Best video I’ve seen on this topic! Thank you! Definitely not a waist of time. You guys are bomb!

[@ExploringKY]

Great info Mark. And a cliffhanger!!! What are you going to do? Lol. Can’t wait to see what kind of rig you guys end up with.

[@philo2808]

Great vid as usual, but I wish u talked more about tongue weight. And I like the V8 over diesel, dont like those 400.00 oil changes.

[@KeepYourDaydream]

What spec. about tongue weight? There will be another opportunity for me to cover this topic. Btw, based on your profile pic...I think you'll like tonights video. Check back at 6pm.

[@philo2808]

Keep Your Daydream ok thanx

[@gypsyjr1371]

Glad to see someone competently breaking it down. As a Weighmaster for Escapees SmartWeigh, I see all combinations of rigs. We weigh the tire weights, so the picture the customer gets is much more detailed and instructive than a simple truck scale plate. Tow vehicle GVWR plus Trailer GVWR of course must be less than or equal to tow vehicle GCWR, but even if it is, tires can be overloaded and tire pressure can be wrong, and weight distribution asymmetry is a big problem because trailer/coach manufacturers build a lifestyle vehicle first, and worry about weight distribution almost not at all.

[@woodyhuband9248]

This is excellent information. Just yesterday I switched from a Class B to a trailer and I'm about to start the search for a tow vehicle. Thankfully this video popped up which will save me a lot of research time. Thanks!

[@chemtrail_brew_Que]

A good thing to remember is that the hitch weight that is advertised is not the hitch weight when loaded. Usually runs between 10-15% of the trailer's loaded weight.

[@KeepYourDaydream]

I wish I would have mentioned that too. I have draw the line somewhere. I wish I would have included more GAWR in my examples and went into tires, but payload is the key message here and the most misunderstood.

[@chemtrail_brew_Que]

I agree completely!

[@bluelghtning]

I was going to say that generally speaking on 5th wheels, the pin weight is about 20% and going from the GVWR of the 5th wheel, that's going to be quite a bit more on the pin weight than the one the manufacture gives. Overall though great job and I'll be sure to share this for people that don't understand these basic concepts.

[@Bubbles99718]

Tires and the air pressure make a huge difference as well.

[@gr7485]

In what way? One still has to stay within what the truck and trailer are rated for. There is nothing you can add or do to the truck to increase those numbers without having it re-certified and good luck with that. As mentioned the only numbers that count are the numbers on the labels. If you mean something else please explain.

[@billstmaxx]

leave the kids at home... Problem solved! :)

[@agentorange2554]

And by no means should you bring the mother in law!!!!!

[@RVHabit]

I learned that most trucks today are probably overweight when towing unless you have a dually one ton. Stay safe, Lou.

[@mattjohnson3140]

RV Habit My sister-in-law and her family have a one ton dullie and a 43' 5th wheel toy hauler. WE ran the numbers on her truck, a 2 year old GMC, that the dealer said would be fine, is overloaded by about 2000 pounds. Now she's looking at an F450.

[@RVHabit]

matt johnson isn't that something. How eye opening.

[@youngblood23rb]

RV Habit That is a pretty good assumption, if only i could weight some of the trucks I see hauling 40+ foot contender or other offshore fishing boats, down in South Louusiana, squatting like crazy. This was a very informative video

[@dougfzrr]

matt johnson better off with the f350 DRW as it has a higher payload. The 450 and 350 have the same GVWR but the 350 is considerably lighter. Towing capacities are very similar if no the same.

[@JoeHynes284]

I've always assumed that, this video is a great break down of it

[@ramirovasquez7604]

Well done! My wife and I are getting ready to buy a Momentum 381M and I was getting a lot of conflicting answers when asking if a 2018 f350 would be able to tow it. A lot of people saying yes and a lot saying no. With tons of research that I have done I found your videos to be the most helpful thank you!!

[@CR-wc7zp]

Outstanding work on this video. I have been a weigh master for over 10 years and I could not have explained that more clearly than you did in this video. You got this! The spreadsheet is very good and the reminder to check manufacturer tire ratings is 100% accurate. Exceeding the manufactures tire weight rating is common and very dangerous.

[@jesseo715]

Aren't you also over the recommended 15% hitch weight?

[@brp82286]

The hitch number makes no sense to me.

[@dannyp8056]

Isn’t it usually 10% of your trailers GVWR?

[@hoslogistics]

Absolutely essential information. In commercial vehicles the fine for being overweight is generally $1 per pound. Of course every state is different and more likely the fines are different for RV's.

[@kobra997]

Gilbert Hernandez there are no fines for non commercial overweight towing

[@KeepYourDaydream]

Regarding no fines for non-commercial towing, I read otherwise in my research, but don't have first hand experience. A comment above said he got a ticket in OR for being over gross when he was pulled over for speeding. I think some states crack down. I think OR is one of them.

[@kobra997]

Keep Your Daydream there is no state with penalties for non commercial overweight towing. Some states charge registration fees based on towing capacity. Some people are under reporting capacity for registration and then towing over. They chase them.

[@Rws111111]

Yep, NC is one of those states. They don't seem to care if you are over GVWR or GCVWR. As long as your registration shows you paid the right tax, you could tow a house with a F150. BUT, it's the lawyers that will get you... not to mention the lives that are lost or changed forever if you are in an accident. That's what motivates me to stay within the limits.

[@kobra997]

Absolutely, I am not encouraging towing above the specs. However, I am not big fan of sharing FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)

[@roberthohlt469]

Wow. One of the best tow cap videos I can remember seeing. Is there any way you can make that spreadsheet available?

[@KeepYourDaydream]

Yes, once I have it double checked and add disclaimers... I'll add it to the blog for download.

[@GymJockey67]

this is the best, most informative video on the topic of towing and payload I've seen on KZbin and I've watched a lot of videos. Love your channel. Thanks

[@mikew9537]

The tech numbers I would have to play with myself in order to get a firm grasp on them. But, the warnings at the end were what I thought to be the most helpful. I've watched a few videos on this topic that were helpful in dealing with the numbers, but they never mentioned the risks of exceeding the numbers. Thanks for taking the time with the "boring" stuff.

[@allan1062]

I would like to see the numbers for your old 1/2T with Ginger.

[@TravelswithYoly]

Wouldn't that be an "eye-opener" :-)

[@jeffmyers]

Payload on the f150 was probably in the 1700lb range. He probably gained less than 500lb payload by going with the f250. So he was about 800lb over payload. My rule of thumb is anything over 6k pounds loaded is too much for 1/2 ton. Towing capacity number are irrelevant because you exceed payload first. Some people just cannot get this concept so i was glad to see this video.

[@allan1062]

Jeff Myers : My point exactly, I have a 2017 Dodge 1500 4x4 with 12 ply wranglers. I keep my payload limited to a generator, a small fishing punt on my canopy, a couple of lawn chairs and a full tank of fuel, topped off with the DW and myself. Then comes the tongue weight at 750lbs and I am loaded with a 10% buffer. The truck is done payload wise but I can still tow lots of weight. Trlr weighs 5800lbs loaded. GTWR is 7500lbs so I am way under. It would be really easy to overload my truck! And lots of people do...

[@Prime1976]

Jeff Myers you can buy a f150 right from the factory with a 3000 pound plus payload. It is a package option where they increase everything axle, springs etc. Not really a half ton anymore but the options are out there.

[@travisadams4470]

THIS is the information I've been looking for! THANKS!

[@bmechanic4621]

it's herts my head, but i need to know!

[@woodsafamadventures]

We’re from Indianapolis and just got our first camper! We have 4 kids and are looking forward to many family vacation adventures:-). We have learning so much watching your videos, and this video was extremely helpful. My husband loves spreadsheets and was finally able to understand all these weight numbers. We realized the first camper we almost bought should not be pulled by our current vehicle. Thankfully we hadn’t made that deal final when we found this video. We did end up getting a camper that we know we can safely tow (hybrid with bunkhouse). Thanks for the spreadsheet and all your tips!!

[@darkstarrally]

Best explanation on calculating everything correctly. And it comes with a spreadsheet?! Sign me up 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@davesrvchannel4717]

Great video. Lots of useful information

[@stuckcamping]

Half ton and 3/4 ton trucks would be more capable if the manufacturers would ditch all the heavy accessories

[@KeepYourDaydream]

Yeah, they have gotten heavy. I was pretty surprised to find out my truck's curb weight was 7900#

[@paulrodrigues9603]

I bet that panoramic moon roof weighs a lot.

[@QuadTap]

Like that heavy diesel... most people would be fine with the gasser and you get 700lb more payload.

[@PatrickWagz]

Just wait till the boys hit puberty and your passenger weight total goes up by another 200 pounds! haha you'll have to make them travel INSIDE the trailer good info, Marc!!

[@KeepYourDaydream]

F450!

[@PatrickWagz]

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[@mikecollins8241]

It is Illegal for passengers to ride in trailers...

[@randomeverything3023]

Mike Collins. You are really good at detecting sarcasm, when are you going for your private investigator licence?

[@joerone58]

I just watched this even though it's 6 years old. I love how you explained the calculations on the spreadsheet, it made the process of deciding "REAL" tow capacity vs. "Marketing" tow capacity much easier to understand and use. Thanks for the info as I bought a truck based on the tow capacity told to me by the dealer. As soon as I get my rig out of storage, I am going to load it and my truck up and head off to a cat scale and will use your exec calculator to run the numbers. Thank You Again ps: Love your KZbin Channel !!

[@joerone58]

I have a quick question...on the Ford towing calculator it takes into account what type of hitch you have, 5th wheel, gooseneck or conventional. How is this calculation configured?

[@hoppertunitiescalling4172]

Your videos are the best I've found and I sold trucks for 17 years. You and Tricia are always entertaining and as my wife and I get started in our new adventure of full time rv travel we have learned so much from your informative videos. You guys are fantastic and we hope to one day run into you in our travels! Thanks for the spreadsheet!

[@skpjoecoursegold366]

i learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i better go take Calculus again. good job.