PBO2 for AMD Ryzen - Free Performance!

[@haiokthebeast]

Thanks, this just helped me lower my CPU wattage! However my GPU is still pulling power from the Sun like Superman.

[@Thumper68]

You have a GPU whoa that’s so cool

[@JetskiSlumpt]

@@Thumper68 🤡

[@nika_0]

Consider MSI Afterburner to lower it's power limit

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Finally, I am GOD!!!!

[@flamingscar5263]

Ah, must have a 4090

[@DustyTheDog]

I learned that turning off the "cool n quiet" function helps to stop the CPU from changing between frequencies. I was finding that my CPU would be at base(or below), then jump up to boost, then go back to base, then jump back to boost, then go back to base. The fluctuating was causing thermal spikes for my system. I also find that it runs at a lower voltage overall with the cool n quiet turned off. Not sure why.

[@Arby631]

Cool n Quiet enables the CPU to better manage thermals and electric. With it disabled the CPU is defaulting to safer speed and voltage tables.

[@mastaw]

It is normal for CPUs to jump between boost and base clocks depending on the load. That's exactly what boost clocks are designed to do.

[@DustyTheDog]

@@mastaw with CNQ turned off it runs a steady frequency. I have a Ryzen 2700X. Base is 3.7. with CNQ turned on, it will drop to like 2.4 and the jump right up to 4.3-4.4 for no reason. Just sitting on the desktop it will do this. Turning off solved this completely. Sits at around 3.7 most of the time(i have good cooling), boosting when needed. It acts as you said it should with the CNQ turned on, but with it off.

[@imAgentR]

The only way to mimic the same activity of steady state without turning off cool n quiet is to put most background tasks at idle. Other than that I noticed with the computer sitting idle on the desktop it will spike and drop because of those tasks.

[@jordanwardle11]

That is what's called race to idle, trying to get the work done as fast as possible to then go back to idle clocks to save power

[@radekmojzis9829]

Undervolting the 5800x is really good... i got 5% boost in performance while lowering the temps from 90 to 70

[@IronFairy]

I got some very good numbers with undervolting my 5800x too, definitely recommend trying it

[@LolSho0orTs]

Same here

[@jonathan7744]

what kind of undervolt did you get to? just looking at the max reference I should go to.

[@durschfalltv7505]

@@jonathan7744 i use pbo -10 and get instability at pbo -15 yours might be better or worse.

[@jonathan7744]

@@durschfalltv7505 I have an msi x570-a pro board and I cant seem to see an offset based on whole numbers, just a voltage offset like 0.01v

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Kudos to the editor who edited the CPU into the stock footage of a sandwich at 0:22. That was definitely way more work and time spent than just getting an old AM2 chip out of storage and putting it face down in a sandwich at the LMG kitchen. But I appreciate it nonetheless.

[@pixelmaster98]

not sure if it really was more work. Doesn't seem like a super-complicated edit if you're a professional editor. I'm not, and I'm pretty sure I could edit a CPU on a picture of a sandwich in 5-10 minutes. And putting a static image on a video can't be much more difficult - I'm not familiar with video editing software, but I know it would be super easy, barely an inconvenience, in OBS. Making a sandwich and searching storage for an old trash CPU would surely take more time.

[@DrVagax]

Not completely mentioned but basically when buying a CPU you just have to be lucky to win the "silicon jackpot", the better quality your piece of wafer is, the better you can OC it. Thankfully I can undervolt with PBO to a curve of -30 but I saw plenty who didn't got further then -15 or -10, the difference is not huge tho

[@ariesleo7396]

my 5900x: best I can do is -12

[@gndgp69]

The reason why it is not mentioned is because a customer cannot manipulate silicon quality unlike the things mentioned in here. You said it yourself, "have to be lucky to win".

[@jemrylie]

@@ariesleo7396 well you could try per-core undervolt if you want, your other cores might be able to go even lower than the one with -12. One of my 5800x core could only do -7 with +100MHz, but my other cores are stable ranging from -17 to -30, so on average -22.

[@yensteel]

I wish "Silicon Lottery tm" is still in business since silicon lottery is indeed a thing. Their reason for closing is that over clocking headroom is very limited with all the automatic boosting, and their sales went down. During their glory days, you could get a much higher boosting chip for a premium from them. De-lidded and fully tested to be stable at high overclocks.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Ryzen Master’s auto overclock set it at -24 and was extremely unstable. I now have it -11 and even then I get some very rare crashes. This is on a 5700X. I should have benchmarked the 3700X it replaced because I’m pretty sure it performed better.

[@sedawk]

My only goal in life: once be 25% as happy as Riley was in that Fresh Books ad.

[@medokn99]

or the outro

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

Got my R5 3600 to 1.2V @4.4GHz (stock is 1.4V @4.2GHz), it runs constantly 10-12 degrees cooler, no stutter or issues of any kind after hours of tests and even more hours of use in real life scenario (heavy gaming for hours almost every day). I used Ryzen Master since it was easy to tune and change everything in case of crashing instead of having to reboot everything all over, I still use it tho since changing the voltage from BIOS got me higher temps somehow (hwinfo reported 1.2V and 70w instead of stock 1.4V and 90w, yet the CPU was running hotter and wasn't really hitting 4.4GHz with all cores).

[@guth5060]

@Dark Waters nice photo there mate *winks*

[@Spielmeister]

Which power plan do you use for the R5 3600. Do you use AMD Ryzen Balanced or High Performance?

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

@@Spielmeister I use the Windows performance power plan but I've se minimum CPU performance to 0% since having it higher doesn't actually do anything. Power plans are pretty much useless in most cases, could save you some energy when you're not using it at best, performance wise you have to manually OC (or "semi-manually" using PBO), otherwise you won't see any performance increase. Power plans may help a few with stutter but those are really specific cases.

[@Spielmeister]

@@Iceman-hb3uk Alright thank you!

[@mattbosley3531]

I did this with my 7900x from the start. It took some tweaking of the settings, but I'm getting better performance now with lower temperatures (60--70C). Used the OC Tweaker settings on my memory, and I've increased my benchmarks by 50%. Had to test for a while to determine stability though. I usually run Unigine Heaven for a couple of hours at high settings to really stress the system. Optimum Tech did a video about the PBO2 settings weeks ago.

[@ksells]

As an F1 fan I never expected to see an F1 car on an LMG thumbnail lmao

[@bigtitmaster]

there was one on the windows 10 game mode

[@lesliejames9404]

Bwoah, I saw F1 and I click.

[@SirRanderson]

@@lesliejames9404 Thanks kimi, now get the drink.

[@moiz04]

Yeah AMD is Mercedes sponsor tho 😂

[@twandepan]

@@SirRanderson Just leave him alone, he knows what to do!

[@Justacapybara9000]

I find keeping the processor at 100% power State in the windows power plan lets me get more aggressive overclocks stable

[@BlueberryJamPie]

You can also do the undervolt on the Ryzen Master, you don't need to keep going into the BIOS > restart > test, just use RM and do the testing. It even has a stress test itself.

[@Bob_Smith19]

The RM stress test is garbage. So is the auto overclock feature. I had four cores failing Prime95 w/ in three minutes. It passed the RM stress test.

[@dr4aces]

The editing at 3m16s was sublime but will probably go unnoticed by most people. It wasn’t lost on me. Great stuff! Funny too!

[@emperordragon1794]

it's a simple dissolve transition with an expanding mask. what's so special about it.

[@syntrx8185]

3:16 for anyone too lazy.

[@jdally9872]

what about it?

[@ConeJellos]

Calm down bud.

[@frankunderbush]

0:21 THAT BACON IS FUCKING RAW

[@steelkinq3708]

I don't know what i did to my pbo, but my r5 3600 is set to 4.2 GHz all core, 1.25 volt instead of the max 1.35 it chewed before. Around 69 Watt instead of around 90 in R23 all core test. Just nice. Oh and faster. At least all core. Single core ie just the same

[@yasu_red]

My 3600XT can now boost all the way to 4.7ghz instead of the stock 4.5ghz max, and during a cinebench test I now almost reach said stock boost speed on all cores. PBO is great. ...this does come with the cost of 100w+ power consumption though.

[@yasu_red]

@Ian Visser Yeah, I wish Zen 2 supported curve optimizer but I'm still satisfied without it

[@jameshunsucker7373]

I undervolted my 5800x, it now runs around 4.9 Ghz and 10° cooler (or 40° average). Win-win

[@LolSho0orTs]

Can I get a sitting screen shot also water cooled or air ?

[@jemrylie]

share your settings bro (PPT/TDC/EDC, Curve Optimizer, boost override, etc)

[@jameshunsucker7373]

@@jemrylie PPT 120, TDC 75, EDC 130, all curves (negative) and curve magnitude (20). Idle runs at 26° using Corsair iCUE H150i Elite Capellix Liquid CPU Cooler, RGB Pump + Fans, 360mm. Asus Crosshair motherboard.

[@RAulBunicuL]

how did you do this? I set it like in the video, but have the same temps...

[@Kaelygon]

They got all of these fancy features, but somehow they forgot to add manual avx offset and the cpu won't lower clocks when manually overclocked even at 95c, it only can disable cores which doesn't help hotspot temperatures.

[@IBims1Mark]

FURRY UwU

[@SolarMechanic]

My old 3600 had a weird bug on Asus motherboards where the default voltage the board gave it was 1.475v, which not only made it impossible to reach max boost, but made it unstable at it's base clock.

[@Pete856]

The easiest way to work out how much undervolt to apply is let Ryzen master perform a curve optimizer run, it takes about 30 minutes. On my 7600x it came out with -30 so I used this as well as applied 150MHz to the boost speed, now it uses less power, runs cooler and scores higher on benchmark tests.

[@Iwiwd83]

4:15 thats the noise Colten started to make every time hes fired.

[@My-Hunt]

Armoury Crate (Asus) does a really good job auto undervolting. Keeps going down and down until it finds a stable voltage. Takes maybe 10 minutes max.

[@nataku411]

This little PBO guide is only as deep as a puddle. Undervolting each core to the max is the true end game for a perfectly tuned chip.

[@Bob_Smith19]

This in an LMG channel. Their viewer base is basic Idiots.

[@Tunca_Arslan]

👆👆congratulations🎊you have been randomly selected among my shortlisted winners you just won a prize🎁🎁🎁...

[@bbbelt_far]

That take time 😢

[@ZeekMX]

This evening I have cornered the beast known as 5950x forcing it to do the 2% stable boost I desire in single and multi thread applications. That was achieved by manual PBO stock power settings, 1x scalar, no curves, 0% Boost - PBO advanced manual stock power settings, 1x scalar, no curves. Negative 150 boost CPU Phase = Optimized, VDDSOC = Optimized. ( GPU-Z for verification. ) Because I want AMD know I will always remember it as the chip that beat Intel. I'm a Gen X born 1970 July 16 - I witnessed the days when Over Clocking meant open the computer and set a jumper or selector switch bank to Turbo setting.

[@PTRMAN]

Nice vid Riley. I would love it if you guys could do a "how to benchmark" video!

[@adrianconstantin1132]

Remember memory speed is important for Ryzen CPUs, and enabling XMP also requires proper stability testing

[@Blackrhyme7]

Riley is such a fun host to watch

[@calenlaughlin3132]

0:24 Real missed opportunity to have a peanut butter and onion sandwich there.

[@harleycriswell8504]

have you done a video on how to optamize a amd set up. how to turn on direct memory, best ram speed, getting your gpu and cpu to best power to preformnce stuff like that

[@harleycriswell8504]

Actually a video on what optimizing your PC is. What is Actually works for gamers how to pick a cpu and gpu. What all the different motherboard numbers Actually represent, ram, etc. I've slowly learned about all of this but it's been 3 years learning bits and pieces

[@j.w.grayson6937]

Thanks Riley! Excellent info!

[@BlissBatch]

Can you do an opposite guide, for those of us who want to undervolt and underclock, to save power?

[@TheRealSkeletor]

The Curve Optimizer mentioned in this video does exactly that, it undervolts.

[@pixels_per_inch]

Just turn off PBO entirely

[@drewski23_7]

We NEED the rest of the James/bachelor b roll of his dressed up as a brunette!

[@khasparov5866]

Got like 1k bonus cinebench points on a 5600(non-x) and a ab350m-hv undervolting the cpu with -30 pbo setting, powerfull

[@AponTechy]

Same 😂

[@kuromiLayfe]

Nice video …wished it was that easy on intel CPU’s

[@Atharva_YTube]

Everyone is talking about how helpful PBO2 is. Me : Lead(IV) Oxide

[@sakaal-i]

Making sure your undervolt is stable is a long process and this video did not cover it. CoreCycler and OCCT can be used for it. I could see many people doing a quick and dirty curve optimizer tune based on this video and encounter crashes and whea errors days, weeks or months down the line.

[@valtarg1299]

Surprised that the F1 isn't up to date

[@TRC98]

Those 2017 f1 cars were beasts

[@21Lulz]

Thank you Ian from Smosh

[@smallbutdeadly931]

My comment seems to keep getting auto-deleted the TLDR is use CoreCycler for stability testing each core when adjusting your curve optimizer

[@benjaminreynolds3659]

Cool cool, thanks for the information. However, is OC'ing really that important with these new modern 202x CPUs?

[@holl7w]

You can get the same performance while using 60% less power with this PBO thing

[@benjaminreynolds3659]

@@holl7w Nice! That is great! Though, is that OC'ing or actually just re-configuring settings? Serious question as it seems different when you explain it that way.

[@holl7w]

@@benjaminreynolds3659 It's a feature for overclocking but instead of overclocking you undervolt. You get about the same performance at less power consumption but also at the cost of stability.

[@hocek11]

Used -200 mV with PBO on 3600 and it was running cinebench.

[@1leggeddog]

"And hopefully your pc won't disintegrate..." wow. Riley really knows how to sell it!

[@mr702s]

... the real question... is BIOS annunciated BIAUS or BIOWS?

[@Avon_max]

Wait. I have seen you in pc guide video nice to meet you again

[@andysPARK]

One of your best performances while retaining info utility😄

[@svpracer98]

considering I'll have a brand new 5700x system soon, this is very helpful

[@TheLinuxYes]

just hooked my 5700x up. love it.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Don’t use the values that Ryzen Master spits out for the 5700X. It gave me -24. It’s now at -11 and I still have random crashes.

[@lucascampos494]

@@Bob_Smith19 hey, how’s your 5700x? Mine is at -15, no crashes for days, and all core boost 4.5GHz, single core 4.75GHz. Temps increased, max 83 C, but got a Noctua to help it out.

[@vladislavkaras491]

Thanks for the video!

[@shiroiidakku]

Me undervolting and overclocking manual at Ryzen 4500. Much better scores performance in R20 and thermal much better than PBO.

[@randomuser6110]

Anyone else think Reilly looks and acts just like Jim Carrey's Robotnic? Especially the facial expressions after making a joke.

[@_GhostMiner]

*"undervolt your CPU"* Me using an 8W Celeron: * _the funny/sad Mike Wazowski face_ *

[@kuksio92]

Got my 5600 to 4.65ghz at 1.1v stable

[@shayeladshayelad2416]

Im actually pretty happy with how people not buying in the masses the new cpus and gpus this should make all manufactures if they are smart to take new rout more sensible

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

Bost clock overide is limited to 200mhz... But I got a golden sample 5600x i run -28 on most cores in the curve Optimizer and +200 on bco. It's so annoying. My chip is only limited by software....

[@itsdeonlol]

Undervolting is the way of the future. No need to overclock anymore.

[@brianb6969]

I always wonder how i can push my ryzen 5600x.. (its current temp is 32c) i'm scared to mess with the Bios too much.

[@brianb6969]

@@hotaru25189 thanks for the advice!

[@sam.avtaev]

is it safe though? I have msi b450m motherboard and 2600x, I wonder if PBO can disrupt it somehow

[@LolSho0orTs]

It is safe nothing will happen

[@jmarks6]

Riley makes my day!

[@sayeedalsifat1308]

Thumbnail is kinda funny considering AMD sponsors Mercedes AMG

[@klevzor]

Will undervolting and activating max cpu boost override fight eachother? I think ive found a stable undevolt now, so if i raise the boost override, will it make me want to raise the undervolting again?

[@gembur3]

Mine 3700x set voltage fixed to 1.2v and enable pbo. From default r23 all core run at 4.1Ghz with that setting it can run 4.2 all core

[@akshaybrijbhushan3776]

This guy looks like he could be a villain ina Ryan Gosling movie

[@CYWNightmare]

I was able to set my pbo enhancement to 90 temp (aio) level 3 on my bios (level 4 crashed under load) and it booted. My only question is would this conflict at all with X3D turbo im just worried about stability tbh.

[@evilminion8825]

I’m still rockin a R5 2600x, can I do this as described in the video or do I need to upgrade to a newer cpu?

[@UncommonKnowledge587]

PBO is available for your CPU, no need for a newer chip.

[@bahamutbbob]

I got my old 2500k to a stable 4.3 when I got an AIO, but my room got way too hot, so I ended up dropping it to the 4.0 I had with my air cooler.

[@Iam_Dunn]

I almost understood all of that. One question? Where are the PBO settings on my PONG game? It would be nice to get more than 12fps. Thx :) …. LOL

[@laurencem2327]

2:06 Nice

[@IT10T]

Right off the bat yall failed with the PBO joke, showing a CPU on lettuce and not peanut butter nor jelly...

[@kevinbusker3634]

Could you do a video explaining how to know if X GB of memory is better divided into multiple channels vs all on just one? What workloads benefit from single channel memory?

[@diysai]

Ancient gameplays did a video on this, he concluded that it's better to have dual channel over single or quad channel RAM, and there's barely any difference in gaming using the newer CPUs.

[@eldibs]

The biggest idiosyncrasy with AMD overclocking is that they don't bother to paywall it in order to articially segment their product lineup. Isn't that weird?

[@LolSho0orTs]

Not really

[@G.A.N.]

i wish to know more about powersupplies as in how much of my 750W is actually in use. I had big problems finding out how much w my entire pc eats with all usb stuff, vr headset, good grade monitor and if i am Able to get second monitor for myself.

[@retrocomputing]

It's called power consumption meter and other names

[@kb3kyx]

2nd monitor depends on your graphics card and what you're trying to accomplish, a 750 is a good wattage for a midrange system, a 2nd video output isn't going to stress your PSU unless it's already maxed out. I'm running an older 850w toughpower grand RGB with a rx570, AsRock steel legend with 32GB of trident z (4 sticks RGB) , 2 32" monitors, 5 120 mm rgb fans , 1 200 mm RGB in a core v21 case, head set, 3 FDM printers and all the standard peripherals. And the PSU never gets really hot, or gives me issues.

[@kb3kyx]

Also pick up a kil-a-watt meter and plug the computers cord into it, that will tell you what the system is pulling from the outlet in realtime

[@oliviamoore3426]

I set my ryzen to eco mode, got the temps down by about 20 degree c

[@bode19766]

will 15- negative curve Optimizer damage my CPU in the long run my cpu is 7600x please tell me.

[@lightjack0540]

*Interviews at LMG for a job* *Computer Crashes* You're hired!

[@PindleofKujata]

I've never been able to get PBO to work nicely with the curve optimizer on my ASUS Prime x570 Pro. Any time I set a negative offset greater than 15 while I have PBO turned on, my computer crashes. Could be that I bought the board before PBO 2, Zen 3, and Curve Optimizer was a thing, so it won't work to its fullest. I'd rather just have more efficient use of my 5800x, so I leave my curve optimizer at -30.

[@LolSho0orTs]

Maybe you need to update your bois

[@jemrylie]

Crashes at -15 is normal, in fact it's usually recommended to start at -10 and adjust accordingly. Or just do per-core Curve Optimizer to get even more undervolt because in my experience usually only 1 or 2 core that couldn't go past -5 or -10 while the other cores could do -20 to -30

[@MacOSTrash]

curve optimizer does the undervolting + stability testing for you.

[@TheBearAndTheBull]

Can I use Ryzen master to find the sweet spot first ? then input the settings into BIOS when i've got what I need ?.

[@quintit]

yea

[@choppergirl]

WTF is PBO Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, Level 4, and Level 5 I get 70, 80, and 90 as temp target limits. Okay I figured it out, it's something called Gigabyte Performance Bung. Level one is -10 to the curve, Level 2 is -20, Level 3 is -30, etc...

[@nishaybennie2149]

My BIOS says enabling PBO will void the warranty though, any thoughts on that?

[@LolSho0orTs]

don't worry about it

[@name_not_foundlol3143]

hey can we get some laptop overclocking or undervolting tips

[@elemnt360z]

Would the Asrock - POBO on - 85tjmax -20 curve be a good place to start? My 7800x3d gets to 92c under 100% load for extended periods. Would even PBO - TJ Max 85c be the change I'm looking to make?

[@quintit]

start at 5 then just go up

[@genstian]

How many people at LNG have gone to job interviews on the LN2 setup?

[@gwenryanmillett]

I wish they had something for their laptop cpus as well

[@psychomaniac189]

why does nobody ever show my bios! so none of this helps me as i cant find anything you talking about

[@EinSwitzer]

Its all auto matic when your chips are not in debug or burn in cycles or heatup cycles to preheat due to heatsink making core too cold triggering auto problems , I love these students called devs

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

I'm still upset there's no curve optimizer on x370 boards. I gotta toss a perfectly good MB just to get it.

[@needmorebeans]

Can't seem to find the Curve Optimiser setting... Is it only on certain chipsets? I'm running a 3600 on B350I Strix

[@Tunca_Arslan]

👆👆congratulations🎊you have been randomly selected among my shortlisted winners you just won a prize🎁🎁🎁...

[@NotTheCIA1961]

Is it possible for PBO to mess with what you can clock your memory in at?

[@LolSho0orTs]

No

[@AkashP]

PBO undervolt or 60w eco mode. which one should I be using. ? I don't have heavy multicore taks.

[@HShango]

"taks"🤨

[@Blacknike98]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Eco mode just sets the PBO2 limits to lower than stock. IMO, it's best to just tune the default values for your cpu and adjust the curve optimizer yourself.

[@elu5ive]

undervolt with a custom ppt limit will get you the best result by far (you can set it to 60 if you want to, but thanks to the optimized voltage curve it'll run far more efficient at 60w than default eco-mode)

[@zyhawk42]

I'd say undervolt, but you can do both. You can set the max power draw in the PBO settings in the BIOS anyway, so I think it's worth thinkering a little with an undervolt + PPT limit

[@AkashP]

Can you guys elaborate on what bios settings to use specifically. I'm completely new to overclocking/ undervolting

[@D1smantle]

I genuinely don't know why I would want to overclock or undervolt my CPU. Please I really want to know why anyone does that.

[@petrnovak531]

nice outro

[@tay.0]

This Video is 2 years late, since I've spent months tinkering to get it running efficiently on my 5950x

[@lucascampos494]

Hey man, does PBO causes CPU clock degradation after all this time using it? How’s your 5950x?

[@tay.0]

@@lucascampos494 it is working so far. To get the ultimate stability. I limited my clocks to 5.00GHz with most cores are hitting up to 4.950Ghz . I added 25 mVs to the Cores and set the soc voltage to 1.175V so far it is working flawlessly after 2 years. Bear in mind I'm also water-cooling it.

[@tay.0]

@@lucascampos494 just did a cinebench R23 test and my score is 30198 multithread

[@mecyanned]

4:10 if i was applying for a job, i would get hired immediatly if i use my old dell laptop lol

[@aamira]

Would love to have the same type of video for Intel chips!

[@TheLinuxYes]

wouldn't work. Intel loves sucking up the juice and spewing out the heat.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

So what does this work on the 5700U

[@DeepFriedLettuce]

Missed opportunity, they could have spelled it suop to reference Madison's twitch channel. 😆 Regardless if she's working there or not these days.

[@leohambly]

Amd is supreme

[@rossharper1983]

🤣

[@Dark.Syndicate]

@@rossharper1983 🤡

[@turbofanlover]

Lisa, is that you?

[@EliteProductions3129]

This really isn't a techquickie type of topic

[@KevaLeva24]

Anyone notice the bacon on the "PBO" sandwich is uncooked?

[@elhugo13]

Man, imagine Keys starting out from the beginning with LTT. Linus would have retired by now.

[@muhd.aminns]

is Amd releasing any 7000 cpu with non x version?

[@spencercharles8553]

I liked this video because of Riley at the very end