Older Ryzen CPUs Just Got Buffed

[@ffwast]

AM4 can't stop winning

[@option_n]

The 5800x3d keeps aging like a fine wine. 🥂

[@Biggu9-]

The alcohol emoji made the comment perfect 😂

[@PrefoX]

actually thats not true, u just got the speed you lost from win10 to win11 back mostly. And I would prefer products that deliver their full potential from day one and not 4 years later. fine wine is just a stupid name for bad software development.

[@bursky09]

@@PrefoX Isn't this mostly because windows 11 fucked up and has nothing to do with the CPU's not being at full potential.

[@420247paul]

@@PrefoX wrong it never worked in win 10 either its amd not microsoft

[@framelessly]

@@Biggu9- 🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖

[@lil----lil]

Wow...HUGE improvements on the charts... CLEAR, PERTINENT, Uncrowded and easily digested. A BIG THUMB UP!! 👍👍

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks! Still working on getting our charts to where we want them but I'm glad to see the efforts are appreciated - Mike

[@Kvantum]

What about the 5900X and 5950X? Curious about how the updates impact 2x CCD chips.

[@ScottGrammer]

My 5950X stills kicks butt.

[@philipjones8513]

@@ScottGrammer Mine likewise

[@ScottGrammer]

@@philipjones8513 😁

[@tommythorn]

In one of their reviews, GamersNexus called the 5950X the "most efficient CPUs we have ever tested" (this was before Zen 5 shipped so it may have changed today). I still haven't seen the need to replace mine.

[@jimtekkit]

@@ScottGrammer I find it strange when people with a top-of-the-line flagship are like "yeah it STILL runs great" when it's only three years old. Seriously, is a flagship only expected to last two years and three years is a remarkable achievement? I don't get it. I have a 5950X too BTW lol

[@kimberly4275]

5800x3d is reminding me of the 1080ti. Just one of those once in a generation bangers

[@jonas000111]

Still on windows 10 over here 😅

[@ChipsAndWires]

Yep. I switched to AMD on my most recent builds because Intel's P-core/E-core scheduler were exclusively Windows 11 and I thought I'd get everything I could out of AMD with Win10.

[@lem0nad3z]

Ok? You want a cookie or something

[@ZeroB4NG]

@@ChipsAndWires same here... so we don't need / don't get this update, right?

[@xrafter]

​@ZeroB4NG . I believe those kind of updates won't be coming to Win 10 anymore.

[@gglovato]

yeah i want to know how win10 fares in comparison with the win11+patches

[@knotsable]

A comparison vs windows 10 would be nice

[@Son37Lumiere]

It's just returning performance to what it's always been on Windows 10.

[@SteelTumbleweed]

Superior performance to any version of 11

[@apfelingo]

Wasn't the performance on Win11 a bit worse than on Win10 before. Did Win11 now reach parity or is Win11 now the best choice for maximum FPS?

[@jaydeepmohile]

Still behind Windows 10 in many games.

[@WickedRed1WR]

10 is still far better performance wise.

[@PowellCat745]

24H2 is faster

[@uchoob246]

No. Windows 11 has far too much security stuff to ever reach parity with Windows 10. This operating system is absolutely paranoid, yet exposes all your data to the entire inflamatory multiverse.

[@lilnapkin462]

@@PowellCat745 False. Check Ancient gameplays. However, Windows 10 does not have access to AutoHDR anymore. At all.

[@hebecookies]

i guess im not missing much since im still on windows 10

[@Typhon888]

What is it you think you are not missing? I’m on Windows 8.1. I guess I’m not missing much…

[@vegancoffee]

@@Typhon888 What is it you think you are not missing? I’m on Windows XP. I guess I’m not missing much…

[@TheRealSkeletor]

@@vegancoffee What is it you think you are not missing? I'm on Windows Millenium Edition. I guess I'm not missing much...

[@liptonx]

I bought a 5700x3d this year (half the price of a 5800x3d in my country) and it just gets better and better. AM4 is such a wonderful platform.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

Same. 50% price for 3-5% less performance, can't get any better

[@J_Gilliam]

I am still proudly running the 5800X3D on a B550 Motherboard! (I mainly play Starcraft II at 4K) But I can't bring myself to upgrade! It has been an insane value!

[@suimbeazly1989]

That cpu price still wont drop after these year

[@mr.t3782]

That’s still a great setup for gaming. 24h2 will help everyone with windows eleven. Unfortunately they haven’t released it yet for the mainstream.

[@lightest2385]

@@suimbeazly1989I went with the 5700x3D because of the value got em for 180$ it not to far behind tbh

[@lightest2385]

@@lucaschenJC how do you install h24? I’m on windows 11 and won’t mind if I can squeeze a tiny bit more performance out of mine

[@teekanne15]

Also got 5880X3d I can play everything perfectly fine with a 4090 and only rarely see cpu bottleneck (when at 4k)

[@Aloysyus]

Does that Update help at all with 3000 series Ryzen CPUs?

[@HardwareCanucks]

We haven't seen anything to think that the 3000 series is positively affected but we only test with 14-16 games...it could very well be there are some cases but if that was the case I'm guessing AMD would have disclosed that in their blog posts.

[@Aloysyus]

@@HardwareCanucks Thanks for the heads up. Still running a 3700X, but i guess you're right: AMD would have said something.

[@john066]

5800x3d is the 1080ti of CPU’s. So glad I have one. Thinking the 4090 will last for a couple generations too.

[@handlemonium]

Titan RTX isn't too bad either. Sure it was waay overpriced for 20% more performance and 13GB more VRAM than the 2080TI but it still matches the 3080/4070 in raster performance when overclocked and probably the upcoming RTX 5060 as well while still having twice the VRAM.

[@pR0ManiacS]

​@@handlemoniumit was waay much overpriced like everytime. For ptp and durability 1080ti remains their Best ever product. 5800x3d along with am4 îs AMD Best product so far. Good analogy that i also used. I will buy an used and funcțional 1080ti soon. The founders edition. Keep it working for 20 30 years. It will be a retro gpu. Do the same i think IT will gain value.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

​@@handlemonium yeah no. 5800x3d was reasonably priced when it came out. So was the 1080ti. The titan RTX was like 3x more than the 2080ti.

[@z3ntropy]

Hate to bubble burst but I think your 4090 is gonna die

[@aflyingmodem]

tbf, and you can consider this a hot take, and I'm just in the super minority, but don't think the 5800X3D and 1080ti is all that "goated" tbh.

[@hatty101]

there is bad and good installs of the new update, i know users who got an avg of 9-11% performance gain on their 5600x/5800 non 3D. i got it my self with my 5800H on a laptop. in lords of the fallen my fps jumped from 93 to around 115 in the exact same spot.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its really random. No idea why there's such a huge variance from one user to another but it could also be some folks were already behind on updates since in order to get access to the Optional Update, you needed the latest Required Updates be installed as well.

[@Donchikiman]

Starfield is a disappointment for people that own Starfield 😂

[@rmaxime92]

Still better than anything Sony has out. Concord was a disaster. Jk this entire generation has been trash with optimization.

[@matilija]

I don't really understand why people say this, Personally, I think Starfield is BGS best game yet, it's not perfect, but it's far better than reviews would lead me to believe. I've put almost 800 hours into it and I still feel like it has a lot to offer me.

[@LiteDrift]

I thought this would be relevant to me. Still on Win 10, Ryzen 7 3700X carried hard by my Radeon 7900XT which replaced my RX580 8GB 😂 and honestly the upgrades are due but I'm not playing anything new enough to justify it, not even VR. Side note, I have 48GB of RAM... don't ask, it just happened.

[@RVFFICA]

Not me thinking my Ryzen 9 3900x got buffed 💀

[@almostahero]

Did this update do anything to intel cpus as well maybe?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Nope. We checked.

[@BDSonderKlassen]

5800x3d = modern day 1080Ti

[@FudgeEyeNah_]

am4 just wont die

[@kevintaylor3073]

Ryzen 5xxx cpu system just fine today for gaming. Better gpu, oled screen. Very pleased with 5800x3d. Ftw.

[@OneDollaBill]

How about comparison to win10 tho? Win 11 is some dogsht.

[@StormEagle5]

Is anyone else only seeing KB5043145?

[@emmanuelakinfenwa]

I am

[@ShivaanshPrasann]

Me with a 5800X3D: Hmm, interesting.

[@bluej511]

Before everyone comments, please remember at 1440+ you won't notice anywhere near the same performance uplift, I know, I tested it before updating. 24h2 hopefully will have a better boost.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good point. And also we're sorta "gaming" the system by testing with an RTX 4090.

[@Salty_Nutella]

@@HardwareCanucks pretty sure I saw 3-4 fps improvement in 1% lows in your graphs when you claimed there are no improvements when games are GPU limited such as in Alan Wake 2. That is a win regardless!

[@karma.2781]

​@@HardwareCanucksIs there really a point of testing these parts at 1080p, obviously that's the only way to tell the difference. But nobody, nobody with these components are gaming at 1080p.

[@Kumoiwa]

​@@karma.2781 In the future, when games become more demanding people upgrade their graphics cards or lower their graphical settings these CPU differences will become more apparent

[@timk8869]

@@karma.2781 its just to show the possible gains without being GPU bound. u will see gains with "worse" GPUs, but not as big, but the gains are there

[@Pyroja]

Gotta see this compared to Win 10, since a ton of us refuse to migrate to Win 11.

[@glebs.]

I thought you'd be testing Older Ryzen CPUs like the 3000 and the 2000 series.

[@shineymcshine]

If it doesn't help the 5600, it's not going to help older ones

[@ryanthomas9306]

Still playing r6 my 2600 is still kicking it

[@vulcan4d]

AMD getting better since Intel is slowely losing their grip on the market. AMD optimizations for the win!

[@HardwareCanucks]

There are none.

[@tiktokvibe3479]

5600x and 6600xt here

[@lilnapkin462]

Love it thats a lot of performance for not a lot of monies

[@SpiritOfTheHeretic]

Strange - I have 2024-09 optional update available but not 2024-08 🤷‍♂

[@Yaan]

How about Zen 2 cpus?

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

Sadly no

[@randomusername982374]

Time to upgrade

[@AllenD.Wallace]

What about those old guys that are grumpy and don't like Windows 11 to the point to remain in Windows 10? Even worse, with a high end but not 3D processor like the R9 5900X? Asking for a friend...

[@TheLTcousins]

You always had the performance uplift on Windows 10, 11 is just Vista vibes

[@nvrprfct9176]

run winutil

[@Marauder-q2v]

Windows 10 LTSC with mass grave Software updates end in 2030 something I believe

[@AnticipatedHedgehog]

If your friend is happy with their current setup leave it alone. I really don't like windows 11 either, I'm honestly considering Linux before I go to Windows 11. With time the X3D chips and Windows or Intels split core architecture will mature and probably be even better.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

Because windows 11 UI and features sucks. They remove settings, heck now one cant even create a local account, need MS account. Its just all bad and worse.

[@andreabriganti5113]

Really helpful video to watch, expecially since I got a 5800X3D and Windows 11. Thanks 👍

[@sc0or]

How can we call it "older" if the weakest of them gives 120fps in an actual AAA title? How much do we need? 400fps because this number is on your monitor, guys?

[@shawnmorrow8350]

I'm on Windows 11 don't game much but when I do I'm on 1440 so don't really see much upside, plus I tend to play older games anyway.

[@Violet-ui]

The gap between the 5600x and 5800x3d is insane

[@AKG58Z]

My takeaway was how small the difference between these two generations of CPU is.

[@frf5000]

Weird to see 3d vcache improving so much with this update

[@evrypixelcounts]

But. . . I'm on linux. . .

[@lilnapkin462]

which distro

[@nitroxide17]

This is a big F up on microsoft's part.

[@petarpetrov725]

5800x3d here. Great video

[@roki977]

I am kind off stuck with 5800x3d. Upgrading to am4 is expensive move bcs only 7800x3d makes sense. Its close to its 2cnd birthday so i bought it 64gb 3600 kit so its even harder to upgrade now.. Now i am waiting for good deal on 7900xtx so i can build Stable diffusion machine..

[@AnticipatedHedgehog]

Get that GPU upgrade man and you will be golden. Unless you are using it for professional use and are maxing out capacity. No need to upgrade anything else. Enjoy what you've got!

[@pR0ManiacS]

U don't need 7800x3d bro. From 5800x3d to 7800x3d it's like why. 10% for a whole ass build investment ? U don't have enough fps ? 5800x3d holds 2 more series of gpus my friend. Next it will still be a great choice for mid high budget gpu. Like xx70s nvidia . Maybe even ți for 4k. And last series when nvidia 6xxx comes out should be enough for a xx60 series type of gpu. For gaming . If works don't reincest in pcs. Devaluating assets. U just lose money . My take. Cpus are pretty much op and 2k and 4k monitors getting cheapee and cheaper. If You play at 4k u will be able to run on a 6070s 6070s ti

[@lilnapkin462]

Agree. Just wait for Zen6 high-end to come out and upgrade to AM5 when everything is nice and mature.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Just wait for 97/9800x3d.

[@iLonePotato]

Rainbow 6 might have been the outlier as they have recently removed vulkan. I've seen much worse performance on directx12 so I recommend directx11 for now. Using a 7800x3d and 7900xtx

[@HardwareCanucks]

Ah yeah that could be why.

[@GTduzIt]

So does Windows 11 perform better than Windows 10 with the same AM4 hardware?

[@quintrapnell3605]

Nah but you get better HDR

[@samserious1337]

4:52 whats your CS2 benchsuite? I got a 5600X with 4x8GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16, I see dips below 140 FPS on DM dust2 late game. The game is just awful.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its an age, not performance, thing

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

Wow, really liked this format. Super short and concise, straight to the point and informative!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks. Its a new format for us and trying to get as much information into a short amount of time as possible. TBH, pontification isn't my thing so, hopefully this works - Mike

[@EhNothing]

Interesting testing. Thanks. (PS-chapters in the video timeline would be nice)

[@HardwareCanucks]

Agreed. Oddly we added them (see description) but they aren't showing up in the video itself. We're looking into it.

[@HablaConOwens]

No zen 2 boost? 😢

[@Pezturbator]

I just built a Ryzen 5 3600 system with parts i have lying around and id love to see the performance improvements with this new update. Gonna pair it with a 5700xt

[@NyteStalker89]

Nothing from AMD regarding 3xxx series CPUs. Just 5xxxx for am4

[@daedaluxe]

Me with a 3700x too lazy to put my 5700x3d I've had on a shelf for 3 months in because the 3700x is good enough :|

[@meetgabriel1547]

Nah.. lol

[@wtfskilz]

BTW I Tried that technique when I upgraded to windows 11 a couple weeks ago. It would never load the new update. I had to download the ISO which fixed the issue and then after that I was able to get increment updates.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good advice

[@nmihaylove]

What about Zen 2? Why wouldn't it benefit?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Likely not since we tested a 3900X is a few situations which normally saw HUGE boosts and didn't see one iota of difference.

[@MarioCRO]

AMD hardware and software aging like wine, the older the better... AM4 was and still is the unicorn platform of longevity and value for performance...

[@EditioCastigata]

C’mon. A lot of HW media dropped the ball by not setting notifications for when Microsoft cuts a new branch for Windows. You could’ve noticed 24H2 May 2024, branch prefix "ge"; and could’ve reported on the insider variant before it actually got pushed to some notebooks. How’s reporting done these days, do y’all rely on press releases and copying from channels who actually do discovery?

[@HardwareCanucks]

We continually keep up to date on Windows branches. However, nowhere was anything said or has anything been said about these scheduler updates. Not in a press release, not in the MS developer blog and not in the Insider Preview's release notes. As a matter of fact, the MS Developer Forums were flooded with posts wondering why NO ONE was aware of these changes until AMD mentioned them.

[@EditioCastigata]

@@HardwareCanucks Germanium’s point was the new scheduler. (And Recall….) If you’re not on the changelogs, you can always track betawiki.

[@deepakgarg4179]

Is this improvement also true for Ryzen mobile processors, like for e.g. Ryzen 8845HS ?

[@francistaylor1822]

Yeah im really curious as I have one of those as well as a 7800X3d this is nice news - ill check tommorrow if my laptop has updated, if not ill run cinebench f23 before and after!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good question! But those CPUs might not be paired to fast enough GPUs to realize much of an improvement.

[@francistaylor1822]

@@HardwareCanucks I have a brand new 8845HS 4060 mobile laptop here, and with a 1080p screen, might see something.

[@wlaznydominik]

calling ryzen 5000 old is crazy

[@fern3436]

Things used to move so much faster than they do now. I went from a Phenom II processor to a Skylake processor in about 5 years. Before that whatever Core 2 Duo was in the family computer was borderline unusable after 5 years. It's really just a matter of perspective. I think you're right that 4-5 years is no longer very "old" in the sense that it's still relevant to use.

[@johanjacobsson6133]

Stop being excited. You only get a performance boost if you game at low resolution AND have a monster gpu.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We can be excited if we want to. Something is better than nothing.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

You mean, if you are not gpu bottlenecked.

[@Paco15151]

I'd be actually curious to see if it has any impact on games like Stellaris though.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

The optional update available to me is 2024-09 its already past 08

[@ImaginationKiller]

Microsoft: take the bait please update the windows ...

[@abaj006]

Incredible, the 5800x3D is now as fast as the 7800x3D before the update

[@JohnSmithWesson]

should've included Windows 10 22H2

[@robertmajors1737]

I been having that buff for years. I stayed on Windows 10 lol.

[@Hairybarryy]

More performance for my 5800X3D and my 7950X3D. I love it

[@sevendaysin8374]

My 7800X3D system is rejoicing today. Awesome update!

[@TheRealSkeletor]

Meanwhile, those of us still on Windows 10 never had the updates which caused the slowdown in the first place.

[@ryche.rising]

It is not better performance, it is just returning it back to normal from a screwed up botched kernel.

[@dot_boi]

Still on AM4, I 'upgraded' my 3900x to 5700x3d. I bought another mobo and dropped my old 3900x in my home server, overpowered? Yes. Did it just because I already had it? Also yes.

[@pav1u]

keeping my golden uv+-30co allcore 5800X3D for next gen gpu's till it bottlenecks..using 22H2 win10 tweaked

[@bzdtemp]

Good info. Thx. I'd love to know how the Windows 10 numbers compare.

[@tonyashby7354]

best bang for the buck right now seems to be the Ryzen 7 5700x3d. almost as fast as the 5800x3d for only 200 dollars not bad.

[@shiro3146]

im on 5800x(not 3d) and its still rocking though i may need to reconsider movibg onto penguin os

[@8799crosby]

i was wondering y my 7800x3d went from 16800 on Cinebench to 18500 overnight

[@jamesrobinson2086]

the patch is calling my 3950X 16/32 a Ryzen 9 now... kinda weird

[@techluvin7691]

I believe 5041587 is no longer available.

[@jaydeepmohile]

Smiling while watching this on my Windows 10 Desktop rocking a 5800X3D.

[@cptairwolf]

can I ask what you use for your Camera? the picture quality in your videos is absolutely amazing on my 4k OLED screen. Also... I can't see those optional updates when I look in the same spot... maybe not available in my location yet?

[@Jigglypaws]

I’m sitting with a 5700x… I’m starting to think maybe I should’ve gone with the 5800x lmao

[@christophermullins7163]

5600x is now 60fps in the witcher 3 in novigrad? Edit: This is NOT a GPU bottleneck. This is with RT on on a 4070 TiSuper . These settings are more limited by the CPU than the GPU at the resolution I play at. Thanks.

[@Maherbaset]

Even before it should give you more than 60 fps But the bottleneck would be the GPU

[@christophermullins7163]

@@Maherbaset it's not a GPU bottleneck. Ray tracing on a 40 series GPU relies more on the CPU than you'd think. It drops below 60 only inside the town square.

[@Maherbaset]

@christophermullins7163 oh i thought games like spider man has something new in their engine that made ray tracing so heavy on the cpu i didn't know that it's a thing with the 40's series GPUs

[@christophermullins7163]

@@Maherbaset it's not specific to 40 series.. just that 40 series are the only gpus fast enough to bottleneck the CPU with RT on.

[@Maherbaset]

@christophermullins7163 that's made more since now

[@MortalityUnleashed]

You literally get better performance on Windows 10, update or no update.

[@taras_fit]

I don’t have that update available to me.. am I missing something?

[@Renzo_Benzo]

Ill upgrade from 10 when ever 24h2 is released to the public

[@acadieracing3630]

Is there a different Windows Update version number for Mobile chips? I've checked mine and there's no KN5041587 optional updates. I have a Ryzen 5 5600H, which is listed in the impacted skus

[@roneeh7332]

me being stuck on 22h2 not being able to update 23h2....

[@AbbasDalal1000]

3:50 nothing bigger disappointment than owning starfiled

[@fern3436]

I think the 5800 and 5700x3d will go down as CPUs on the same level as the i5 2500k, probably even more legendary. I don't see myself upgrading again until there is another paradigm shift in computing. It's crazy to think that a $100 B450 motherboard from 2018 might last through 3 major GPU upgrades and over a decade.

[@deleth]

i don't know, i have seen latelly videos about ryzen getting less performance on W11 than W10 so maybe this update is not a performance gain but a recover of it.

[@Personalinfo404]

It made more sense to me to sell my 3080ti and my 1440p 144hz monitor for a 4080 super and a 4k 120hz monitor than to leave AM4 and my 5800x3d.

[@caseyduckworth1578]

I am still running a 5800x3d on an x570 mobo. I really dont see a NEED to upgrade for a little while longer

[@Csimon2429]

I know you can't test every Ryzen CPU but since I'm rockin the Ryzen 9 5900x, I would be interested to see the patch improvements for the 5900X CPU. I bet You guys are sick of installing windows 11 by now :P

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

even if my 5800x3d age like a fine wine I will sell it in 2025, new 9900x3d/9950x3d will get new 3D cash tecnology and will go for it.

[@billdagoe7371]

Still very happy with my 7950X and RTX3800 12GB. Anything over 60FPS is just frosting on the cake for me with my 28" 4K 60Hz monitor. Great review!

[@kallamamran]

I'll stay at W10 for a while longer with my 5600X then. Thank you for a great video answering a question I have had for a while now :)

[@michaelkerr4994]

I wonder what this means, if anything, for us in the linux world.

[@Denso481]

I wish you had included Space Marine 2 here (very heavy CPU usage title). But Kudos for testing Zen3 Series. My 5800x3d keeps delivering the goods it seems

[@gamepitoy]

Should show 1440p and 4k for relevance.

[@Typhon888]

Remember that’s only 1080p using a RTX 4090 “$2,000+ GPU to “highlight” the “performance” of a CPU. If anything you should be running at 1080p low settings to boost the FPS. Only way you going to see this is if you have a $400+ CPU and $2,000 GPU.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

Ryzen 9 5980HX, I think I can safely expect a boost. This is so COOL MAN 😏

[@anaveragehuman2937]

Been a windows guy forever, tired of their crap, installed Linux mint a couple weeks ago and haven’t touched the windows boot since. Going to see how long I can go before I “need” something 😅 My 5900x seems snappy enough in mint

[@KabirAdvani]

Does the Release Preview of Win 11 24H2 include this KB5041587? Thanks for the video. Good to see some love for the older CPUs.