PC Cooling News: Noctua 2022 Roadmap, Plus P14 ARGB, Light Wings, ML120 Elite RGB, and Mugen 5 S

[@sliptap]

Thank you Ari! I can’t wait for Arctic P14 ARGB to hit the market

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Definitely coming soon... the only question is when the white models arrive!

[@swlak516]

Agreed

[@mazahaka00]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru hi, please can you test ak620 with phanteks t30 fans?, i think it will be very interesting, how much difference in perfomance will be

[@Pamani_]

Combats 65$ coolers by releasing 130$ cooler...

[@shadow7037932]

$130 for an aircooler?!?! Eh... that's almost 360 AIO pricing from the likes of Arctic. They are going to have a hard time keeping up with a 360 AIO

[@stopthefomo]

Give me performance supremacy!!

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

I thought someone would like that phrase!

[@GSXone]

I always enjoy your content!

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Glad to hear it!

[@squadscout808]

nice video!! thnx for the update tech guru :D

[@ouki4925]

I hope the 120mm dual towers has a height of around 150mm or less to compete against coolers like the Fuma 2 and Thermalright Silver Soul 135. If not, I fail to see a point in this product since there is already a redundant lineup of giant coolers with the U12A, D15 and D15s...

[@darrenjimenez7703]

Cant wait for the p14 argb!

[@peppa1492]

Any news on the Scythe kaze flex 140 ARGB? I've seen it on their Japanesse site, but I can't seem to find it basically anywhere else. Is it a Japan-only exclusive?

[@user-xyjuser]

It's available in Russia, unlike Wonder Snail

[@akuahsan]

@@user-xyjuser both available in South East Asia

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Very unlikely in US, given the 120mm isn't here. I assume there's a reason they aren't bringing these to all markets and don't expect them to change course.

[@evilmarc]

I'd still love to see the cpu cooler scythe/deepcool/noctua shootout!

[@ekillops22]

NH-D12A sounds very exciting, but will definitely be overkill for my 5600X, which is still going strong with the Fuma 2. I bet the NH-D12A will be good with the new Alder Lake CPUs though

[@treefiddy727]

I'd imagine the Noctua would be symmetrical compared to the Fuma 2 so Noctua can sell Chromax covers. Wonder if it will be offset so an NF-A12x15 will fit with two sticks of memory or a 25mm fan can be slightly raised like the front fan of an NH-D15

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

All good questions, we shall soon see. But my guess is that they'll stick with dual x25 fans to ensure extreme performance. The x15 is good, but that's not what they're going for.

[@thewarlock192]

The good: a new cooler from Noctua, the bad: the Chromax edition will be released 3 years later :(

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Hopefully they won't make that mistake again!

[@riba2233]

Wow, really didn't expect d12, nice surprise!

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

I know, right? But alas, I doubt they'll be able to shrink the size down to Fuma proportions, so it may not become a new favorite among SFF users.

[@riba2233]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru I am very intersted to see what they'll do in any case :)

[@ThomasS17]

Now that we're in Q2, are there any updates on Noctuas 120mm dual tower cooler? I couldn't find anything about it, and the roadmap on their website still says Q1 2022.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Stay tuned. I will have news on this in the next few weeks!

[@vitostrucl940]

Why would Noctua's 120mm dual tower, cost more than their existing 140mm dual tower?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Because their single-tower 120mm tower cooler does...

[@vitostrucl940]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru Sorry, was not aware of that. I thought it was 80$......

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

amzn.to/3wOf3BP #ad

[@vitostrucl940]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru Do the NH-A12X25's really inflate the price that much.... If It were me id just go for a NH-D15/15S.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

The D15 is the better choice if you can fit it. The A12x25s are not better than Noctua's 140mm fans as I showed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pV7Fg3hnjNRsbbs

[@Ephruz]

How did you get an AK620? I haven't found one anywhere.

[@21darklance]

mugen 5 s is available now in my country, but Im still waiting for your review before i pull the trigger

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

I have it, and I hope to test it in the next few months.

[@erikibarra14]

Will you be doing a review of the Kaze Flex 1500 rpm and RGB models to compare to the 1200 RPM that performed so well in your case fan review video?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Thanks for your question. Right now, I don't plan on testing the Scythe Kaze Flex 1500RPM, as my case fan tests require a huge amount of setup, and I expect it will work quite similarly to the 1200RPM version (and because I mainly focus on dB-normalized testing, it might not even score differently as the 1500RPM setting might not be used in testing). As for the RGB models, no, I don't test them or any RGB models. I consider these older tech at this point. If they offered the ARGB version in the US, I would test it in my ARBG case fan test that I'll be doing next year.

[@erikibarra14]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru thanks for the reply. I’ll probably just stick with the 1200RPM then since those are verified top performers

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

The 1200 RPM (grey) models are also cheaper: amzn.to/3njpJp5 #ad And in all honesty, the 1500RPM limit of the black models isn't useful for case fans, as it will be pretty loud. Unless you really like the black color more, the 1200RPM grey models are a better value.

[@libertyprime9307]

They come in 1800 RPM mow too iirc. Personally I got the 1200 and have no use in going higher. I don't want the extra noise. I guess the extra headroom is strictly a bonus, it's headroom if you want it, maybe set a benchmark or if you use closed-back headphones or other soundproofing. Easy enough to set fan curve, but some people can't be bothered to enter BIOS.

[@tulioconcolato3963]

The day Scythe release a "Fuma 2" all black and with regular sizes wondersnails the CPU cooler market is over for me!

[@nicane-9966]

hi, do you know anything about the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120? its 41dls only and seems an impressive massive cooler, but there is almost no info about it.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Right, it seems great for the price, but Thermalright won't sample for review, so I don't know anything else about it and won't be testing it.

[@IceCreamTruck9000]

I'm still debatting on getting the newly released P14 PWM PST A-RGB to finish of my build, they would fit nicely to my LF II 420 because they are the same fans. Are there any other alternatives that you would recommend instead?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

No, but keep in mind that they won't improve performance of your LFII 420, just looks.

[@IceCreamTruck9000]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru Yeah, I have already the 420 ARGB Version and want to fill the rest of case slots 😅 I also had a look into the new be quiet! Light Wings 140 mm but the artics seem to be the better deal and so I just ordered a triple pack for 44€, seems like a steal tbh.

[@jopyeap]

Have you tried using those wonder snail on fuma2? Was wondering if it would improve the temp when compared to stock fans.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Haven't tried it yet, plan to eventually.

[@enkedo]

need a recommendation about 140mm fan low noise, no rgb for case

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Best: amzn.to/3kHtuD8 #ad Just remember to limit RPM to around 1200, not the 1800 max. My review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hobHpIefh9Koq7c

[@squadscout808]

I agree with your opinion on the L9i cooler for 17xx cpus. Didn't know there was a foam duct :O i was going to order this and their claims on the page are so bold indeed. i9-12900k pushing over stock at 160 tdp? only 37mm high with a foam piece?! oh boy...I shall send them an email NO FOAM DUCTS CMON!!!! also great recommendation on filling the gap 48mm class cooler would be nice. cmon noctua!! more r&D please!! :D EDIT: I see the adjustable fan duct kit "NA-FD1" that pushes height to 45mm, but ur right i want bigger heatsink!

[@stanisawkowalski7440]

Wow! As I always say, it's always great to see another episode of PCCN and this one was probably the beefiest one ever :] Btw I don't like your tendency of not testing products, which are not avaiable in States. Because you can't place affiliate links with them? I don't think that you aim to have US-only audience. Generally you could balance your attitude of testing what you want or find worth it with one of testing what your viewers want, especially asking them about it when you talk about some announcement or already have some product delivered - for sure some of them don't want just review available online, but your review! Like these Light Wings - be quiet! is from the best fan manufacturers on the market, so to my taste their products should be like must-review the same as ones from Scythe or Noctua. I know that it's impossible to test whatever any viewer wants, but it think it would be good for your channel to find better balance between your will and what viewers want ;)

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Ha, ha, totally respect your opinion, but I have to cut back on my number of reviews rather than add to them, so this is how I do it.

[@stanisawkowalski7440]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru Fine ;)

[@caml1720]

I'm still holding out hope arctic is going to release a gpu cooler replacement soon. Is the fuma 2's reverse flow dual fan design a big gain in any terms? I've seen people credit it with the F2's comparatively silent running. Worth buying a lefthanded fan from scythe(or anyone else that makes them) to replace in any other dual fan coolers?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

The reverse flow of the Kaze Flex 120 combined with the standard flow KF 120 Slim is the reason the Fuma 2 works so well. The fan on its own is not at all effective on coolers, as I show in my review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWO9mqZuh8-Wjpo

[@caml1720]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru is there any other reversed fan you recommend for adding the function to other coolers?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

There's just one, the Scythe Wonder Snail. Totally awesome: amzn.to/3CfoAmx #ad

[@Red9san]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru Do you think this reverse flow effect would be suitable for radiator usage as well? I enjoy the Kaze Flex's tonal qualities so I was considering pairing a slim 120mm kaze flex with a regular sized 120mm kaze flex or wonder snail 120 in a push-pull configuration.

[@libertyprime9307]

I don't really see how the reverse flow function could work on a radiator. Too thick.

[@AndyU96]

They need to make a new cooler to beat the nh-d15, another double tower cooler using dual 140mm fans that have blades shaped like A12x25's blades. Isn't this such an obvious thing to do?

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Yup, and they delayed it until Q3'22 as discussed in the video. They already dominate sales of 140mm coolers with the D15, but are losing sales for 120mm coolers. So they are going after that market first. Noctua is insanely-competitive when it comes to both performance rankings and sales.

[@half101080]

I've seen your older fan reviews and decided to go with Arctic P12 and P14 for my new build. Before that i considered buying the ARGB versions of those, but according to Arctic's website they are worse than the original ones! They have less airflow and less static pressure! What gives? Thank you for the reviews and your help in general!

[@aeternis7680]

the clear plastic in rgb fans tend to be light/softer than the solid airflow ones, so their performance tend to be slightly worse

[@ydihtty]

I think the ring reduces the effective length of the blades. The performance is similar enough though. I doubt the rigidity of the blade material affects the performance, but it does affect acoustics.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Both comments above are accurate, but my tests show the ARGB fan is actually better! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5jSm4GAmsmniJo

[@VincentAndre_HK]

all 3 comments above are accurate.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

@Vincent A, thanks for dropping by to confirm all that!

[@ydihtty]

Will be interesting to see how the ML120 Elite perform, especially compared to SP120 Elite (which I suspect we will see on some more mainstream Corsair AIOs eventually). Also nice to see Corsair doing a better job than Noctua at incorporating stator vanes - even the SP120 Elite design seems better than the NF-F12.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

They've told me the SP120 variant is their case fan. While they don't market the retail parts this way, Corsair actually does know the difference between airflow and static pressure!

[@stanisawkowalski7440]

@eiglow_ You know what to do with Light Wings :D

[@weirdodude1173]

Good stuff!

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Bandoughha]

I CALLED IT WITH THE NH-D12A!!! They want to fight hard against the Fuma2 .

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

It will be exciting, but just know that if you quote me on the NH-D12A's name, we both might end up wrong! ;)

[@Bandoughha]

@@TheTechBuyersGuru I commented on a Noctua post a while back asking if they had plans for a dual tower 120mm cooler to compete against the Fuma2. They were mum but said they were working on something.

[@TheTechBuyersGuru]

Good job calling that one!

[@Dogzilla07]

As long as Thermalright Peerless Assasin 120 is ~$41 in the US, any other budget or premium cooler is pointless ( 6x6mm heatpipes, 157mm height, dual tower, 2x120mm fans, nickle-plated coldplate, fans are comparable to other best fans). watch?v=kcPFVeSLmXk (New-gen Thermalright fan comparison)