PC Cooling Submerged in 3M LIQUID?

One of the most interesting things I have seen at #CES2019. This is a PC/Data Rack that is completely under liquid with a non conductive 3M liquid cooling! Can you imagine this pc cooling system coming to homes? Check out Unboxed here: unboxed.tv/signup
How exactly does this pc cooling fluid work? Is this the future of pc technology and cooling? While this is more geared towards servers and data centers lets hope this comes to the best pc cooling setups and be available to the public as the future of liquid cooling. Is this future pc technology or do you think we won't see this? Is 3m novec and mineral oil the real water cooling? #pccooling #pc

[@dannywinget]

Is this the future of PC Cooling? I saw a few comments that said Linus already did this video but I never saw it! I just thought this was awesome technology when I walked by the booth so I wanted to share. I am not a PC Channel but I was blown away. Just making videos on things I found interesting and stepping outside of just Mobile Tech. Thanks for the support!

[@malloot9224]

Been using it for years, we cool servers with 60C(Tin) water with it

[@ChrisDK17]

This is not the same as what linus did. He made a system inside an aquarium and filled it with mineral oil. This new tech is a proprietary formula from 3M that probably has a much lower boiling point that of water or mineral oil, water boils at 100C which for most components would not be very good for the lifespan of the chips. This stuff boils off to dissipate heat and gets condensed back into a liquid. Pretty neat if you ask me. I've spent plenty of time in server rooms that have to be kept near 16C, tons of wasted electricity cooling the entire room 24/7.

[@eillswim]

You didn't even Introduce the dude talking, shit ass host

[@mikealvarez8250]

@@ChrisDK17 Amazing.

[@rock_ok]

actually i ve seen this mechanism since 2009 yeah its great idea and it might be the future

[@operator8014]

Man... Being able to walk into a server bank without needing ear protection. That's living the dream right there.

[@izzyman556]

Just being able to talk and hear on the phone LOL, it would be so nice!

[@Argosh]

Don't forget to bring your breathing mask though...

[@barackobusiness9593]

@@Argosh Ah yes, instead of cooling the machines individually, allow us to flood the whole room with it and just send people scuba diving when you need maintenance done

[@manupainkiller]

@@barackobusiness9593 Fucking lol !

[@nulnoh219]

Yea but you're gonna need diving gear.

[@6Twisted]

Respect to the Gigabyte representative for being honest about it not being suitable for consumer use.

[@Ish392s]

Imagine if that were invented by Apple "Just 999$ for one drop of liquid"

[@yajnalgibno6536]

I wonder whats the price of 1 liter of that liquid

[@rannz8]

@@yajnalgibno6536 mineral oil

[@ykhenessey3924]

240 dollar

[@quantuman100]

@@rannz8 no, this stuff is 3Ms novec, it's expensive

[@Valkross9]

This is a 3M Novec fluid. In my industry(fire protection), we use it for fire suppression for rooms with servers or other electronic equipment.

[@cryptopetshop7090]

JuiceboxNine it is mineral oil, at least I hope it ain’t as expensive as novec

[@teokarlsson305]

@@cryptopetshop7090 no it isn't mineral oil

[@Makaveli-yq9rj]

@@cryptopetshop7090 this is not mineral oil. it's an improved method of mineral oil cooling, and with different liquid.

[@deanslegos1990]

If I have a choice between 3m and some other brand, I chose 3m, no questions asked.

[@roboticunclephil]

How much is it

[@ssddsquare]

No more dust cleaning on the pc itself... I need this.

[@megatfitri9568]

ikr!..u just need an extra space for it tho

[@kiyosenl.3889]

You occasionally have to clean it out

[@JoePWI]

Sure, 3M is just 240 Bucks per Litre. CHEAAAAAAPPPPP :D

[@mikeFolco]

Much better to horde buckets in the living room to swap a part....

[@hitodium]

and than my wallet is going dusty

[@nishantsargam9954]

The representative was so honest. It's rare and must be appreciated. ❤️

[@RICARDORR18]

It's not water One second later: This water 😂😂😂

[@Truthseeker71]

Don't try this with water.

[@dannywinget]

PLEASE DO NOT lol

[@corcon6976]

@@dannywinget How about ice cubes instead?

[@Atom_Alchemist]

technically, it's perfectly possible with destilled water for short time, untel the minerals are leached from the board/metals and turn the water conductive again.

[@jimmy2shoes75]

too late texting from my phone

[@keemmaanz1985]

Well try it with demineralized water, but expect corrosion

[@OT4Tech]

This thing is insane. It doesn’t matter if it’s new not new who covered it because it’s interesting AF.

[@gypsyzz]

@Elsa Debroglie The maintenance part shifts from the water loop to this loop. There's still going to be a pump, condenser and occasional top-up of the fluid.

[@gypsyzz]

@Elsa Debroglie the liquid is boiling inside the closed chamber, it still have to condense back into liquid form or 1. open air design, top up the liquid every few minutes and being too expensive and too much maintenance 2. closed chamber, build up of pressure in the chamber and risk of explosion. so while it's true that inside the chamber there's nothing to maintain, my concern stands in that there has to be a cooler outside to turn the gas back into liquid. it's not encased in massive heat sinks at the show. so I'm wondering what kind of technology are they using to remove the excess heat.

[@TheStigma]

This is very cool. This liquid has some amazing potential with these properties. The non-stick factor is just the icing on the cake. Immersion might finally be possible without making a hellish mess out of everything. I doubt it will ever be mainstream outside of perhaps big server farms, but I sure hope that the cost of the compound eventually goes down to the point where it's viable for enthusiasts to play around with it. I sure would love to :)

[@DrazenKlisuric]

Transformers are also cooled this way with transformer oil. We used mineral oil for PC cooling and it works, but mineral oil is flammable...

[@dannywinget]

Yeah this looks better than mineral oil for sure.

[@mieszkogulinski168]

Not strictly - the oil in transformers doesn't take heat away by boiling

[@ilikecars4966]

i read that thinking that you were talking about optimus prime

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@mieszkogulinski168 it can... it just usualy results in massive fireballs

[@RonAday]

My two hobbies; PC builds and aquariums. Now I can do both! :)

[@reggieward7787]

I'm not alone? LoL

[@OdysseusAres5500]

Your fish won't last long in there, buddy 😂🐠

[@fishyhobby3697]

I wonder what the oil would do to the silicone holding your fish tank together... would suck if it just fell apart..

[@user-tt9wv1ez9u]

@@OdysseusAres5500 dont know until now we can fry fish in water itself .

[@h3iberg456]

imagine tiny submarine drones traveling at random, flashing rgb lights

[@andmicbro1]

It would be kind of hilarious to put some fake fish in there too.

[@h3iberg456]

@@andmicbro1 kek indeed

[@constant8052]

Finally! I’ve seen photos of this everywhere and couldn’t find it. Thanks for showing it.

[@PatrickBaptist]

This was done back in 2000-2001 in a non conductive oil. This is nothing new at all.

[@ismirdochegal4804]

This Novak is awesome. A non electrically conductive, non corrosive, non toxic and environment-friendly liquid? I am not super up-to-date, but that alone blows my mind. Yes please! Make more of it and put it into lots of datacenters.

[@gaw5024]

I can imagine these fluids being used in a completely passive cooling loop. The only thing needed that to work is for cpu/ gpu blocks that won't vapor lock with convection flow.

[@extraSPARErib]

Shared the video with my dad, an IT security specialist (to underrate him greatly) ... this was his reply: We used it years ago, in one of the systems I worked on... It was FC-77.

[@pyrofestimo]

your dad owned you yet again lol

[@hessex1899]

That was Novec, probably Novec 7100. FC-77 is what the Crays used 30 years ago. Novec is better in a couple of ways. :)

[@michealkinney6205]

Just thinking about the space saving potential. I know it takes a bit of space right now as a demo, but just look at how much space is saved with those graphics cards stacked with a few millimetre gap between them, amazing. That could be really cool for an overclocked system, especially considering you could reach sub zero cooling with a chiller no longer needing to worry about condensation. Very cool video, thanks!

[@Hutch5321]

Wow! I'm sure if there's a market, we'll see it in the future. Great vid', Danny! Thank you!

[@paulgrant1712]

The CRAY-2 supercomputer from Cray Research used this technique back in 1985!

[@brycering5989]

slightly different in the boiling factor. the boiling helps remove the heat and increase circulation.

[@darrencole2000]

@@brycering5989 yep, latent heat of evaporation, it takes a decent chunk of energy (heat) to make a substance change state (in this case from liquid to gas)

[@AmMachineTool]

cray used fluorinert...is this the same?

[@dillweedwtf]

That's cray.

[@barrettabney]

Dry Water is what it has been nicknamed. Amazing stuff. It does not conduct electricity, and it does not corrode metal. The only downside is the boiling point is so low, it boils quickly, so your cooling solution must be beefy to counter that.

[@sl06bhytmar]

Those GPUs are Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC 8G (GV-N2080GAMING-OC-8GC). Dunno why he wasn't allowed to say what they were.

[@FemtoSecn]

Sekret documents comrade

[@sameedf2812]

Because this was back in January

[@dreaddroid4771]

2080’s weren’t out when this video was filmed/published

[@sremik]

Maybe it's sponsoring a graphic card not made by them

[@jatxemo6156]

Was this particular model out?

[@contentexplicits8416]

Incredible! Imagine the potential applications of this product

[@Wahz011]

Now I know why Intel put "lake" at the end of their names.

[@fruitbouquet5479]

Wait... That actually makes sense... I'll have whatever "foresight" juice you had.

[@I86282]

Truly by far the best water cooling liquid. Freaking awesome!

[@saturn724]

Some smaller applications could be done with this liquid. Could possibly have a case that fits only the GPU and liquid, and the liquid gets pumped to radiator. It would be better than the current liquid cooling method because the GPU is entirely submerged.

[@MaxIronsThird]

it would probably be cheaper as well bc you wouldn't need a water block.

[@asapkwan]

This is absolutely mindblowing

[@alexandermilleriii499]

Great video and nice interview !

[@plazmicflame]

My pc is running at 70c right now watching this video... need this ASAP

[@sufu__]

I work at a data center so not having to hang out in a room blasting A/C would be nice. I can't imagine replacing parts would be fun though.

[@AwkwardYet]

The science behind this is not new. But heavily improved 👍

[@drw_predator]

Most incredible way to make cooling, and way useful

[@randysavage7351]

Probably not so fun to drain and work on server/s...Bring the bucket, we have another server down! Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@dannywinget]

Yeah that’s where costs come in. Supposedly you dont have to change the liquid until you update the parts so it’s interesting

[@Nanorisk]

@Smarmy Fellow Why would it be? just pull it straight up, swap the hardware over the tub, and plunge it straight back in.

[@laserclowns8402]

Some guy submerged their computer in mineral oil years ago with some pretty good results, I recall

[@waynetshudy7954]

He referred to the liquid as a floural compound, which is freon. This is apparently a high molecular weight freon that boils at a much higher temperature than the freons used in refrigerators and AC. The bath felt warm to him (100°F - 120°F?), which suggests that the boiling point of the liquid is around that temperature. Since the bath can never exceed the boiling point of the liquid and since heat transfer to liquid is very efficient, all components are kept near that relatively cool temperature.

[@BasNunnikhoven]

This is exactly what I need!

[@wric01]

Curious about noise level . I think if it's sealed it should be below 10db.

[@tiny3678]

"its too expensive for consumers" listen, this is the pc gaming community, if someone released a case designed for building with this and said "you just need to pay $2000 for the fluid itself" people would still buy it, especially pro streamers since this would be the quietest system in the world

[@TotalGAMIX]

Definitely! You would also require a lot less since you won't need 15 gpu's

[@roboticunclephil]

yeah for real, some guy was talking about how they put this into fire suppression systems in servers. They have enough of this somewhere to just spray it all over a room a couple liters of it is for sure within some autistic pc gamer's price range

[@precursor3688]

I wonder if you can use the 3m liquid if you got a fully sealed block and just have it on the cpu chip so the water makes direct contact.

[@HH-xs2gm]

Once the price has lowered enough to the point where fan electricity cost would be more expensive than the liquid, this will be game changing

[@engineer_pirate_hunter]

FC-72(Fluorinert). US Navy's been using this, or its earlier equivalent, since the late 70s.

[@aaron24t]

They are two unique heat transfer fluids developed by 3M. Similar but different.

[@noneyabeezwax6904]

Wooow this is so cool, also could be really cool for movie sets and stuff

[@2awesome292]

How does the Leidenfrost effect limit overclocking? It's probably why everything has to be vertical, but does all components being vertical limit this?

[@cc-skits655]

2:20 "Somethin' new I bet" Man already knows😂

[@alcryton6515]

Fan this is really cool for supercomputer data processing.

[@theenchiladakid1866]

What do you do with the heat from the radiator?

[@JMUDoc]

Imagine how much (even) better it would be with passive heatsinks on the chips...

[@user-zs2jh8ym9j]

he said they deliberately took the heat-sinks off, maybe the chips run too cold with them on in this fluid?

[@gegerio]

Thanks , it's amazing

[@mandibox]

This is super interesting for servers

[@tassok6490]

How is the pressure released?

[@hema7]

Maan I need that technology ASAP

[@dannywinget]

Seriously. I can imagine the builds with this.

[@robbytherob]

Think about the extra space you save getting rid of fans. This could allow for multiple gpus in a motherboard

[@Torqu3d]

Wow I really want this but on a smaller scale

[@depth386]

Do metals never leech into the fluid and make it conductive? That would be my concern for longer term operation.

[@virtualtools_3021]

its a totaly inert fluid, it doesnt ionize and cant react with metals

[@Fartman71]

I just watched the bubbling coming off the chip while listening to the commentary.

[@UncleBoobs]

you can actually get NOVAC 7200 or NOVAC 7600 pretty cheap depending on what state you're in, the hard part is building and powering the equipment required to phase change the fluid and remove the heat. also to contain an air tight seal on all of it

[@OktoPutsch]

Fine, for which price range please ? 'cause despite searching i never found it for cheap.

[@wreck-itralph938]

me on the future overclocking my cpu to 10ghz with this cooling system

[@thugasaurusrex6004]

Pretty badass.

[@a1919akelbo]

I can imagine data centers buying public pools to house new servers.

[@Night129]

This is a different level of a spill, if you drop your liquid cooled pc.

[@randomguy5393]

Thats amazing they boil the oil to remove excess water and cool the pc ftom the backdide and still dont have to worry about dust cleaning. Albeit it does still need oil changes because it will break down the parts wont it? Is there some type of sealant you can spray on the pc before hand to slow down the degrading? If i had one i would use diffrrent viscosity oil and dyes so when the fan blows it looks all fluffy and colorful in there

[@kangseblak167]

Me : say that i want to use my pc for rendering Mom : hey kids, can i cook my egg in your pc ?

[@eei6255]

Too fabulous thumbs up

[@chrislx777]

Where to get that liquid?

[@rominpatel7717]

amazing technology

[@johnsalchichon777]

So this Will prevent my PC from making motor noises Every Time i I turn it on?

[@beneathunderneath2571]

yes that be great idea make one for pc home computer case full of kind of type liquid cooler system stay easy !

[@chriso1523]

Man, my PS4 needed this lmfao! Oh well...

[@Sam-1V9]

Where i can read info for this "3M Liquid"?

[@didiwin78]

So does the boiling / phase change actually convect enough heat away to make a difference over a mineral oil submersed pc? Or is it just a cool looking thing to have the fluid boiling off the warm chips?

[@chadwells7562]

I’m sure it doesn’t, this is snake oil. 🤣

[@NoSkillsNoFun]

@@chadwells7562 ofc it does, or why would big data centers buy that instead of oil cooling from idk walmart.

[@mrpediepie9992]

this is sick

[@jamesaketch1096]

Cough cough Linus and his Mineral oil build

[@M3galodon]

From a technological standpoint, this is as different from Mineral Oil cooling as Liquid Cooling is to Air Cooling. In computer years: Flintstones' car to a Tesla.

[@silentype3008]

The convenience offered by Novec is unmatched. Did you see how difficult the mineral oil pc was to clean? Dear Lord.

[@angolin9352]

Mineral oil disintegrates plastic. Mineral oil PCs are gimmick builds, the maintenance is too high to be worth it for average consumers or the average DIY builder.

[@anubisdelavoid2113]

Works with mineral oil too, its also non conductive and is the cheaper old school version of submerged systems.

[@ProfezorSnayp]

Mineral oil is carcinogenic. Might bother some people...

[@anubisdelavoid2113]

@@ProfezorSnayp Untreated mineral oil is, but you can do the same thing with Baby oil.

[@coler154]

It's a nasty messto clean up if you ever need to replace parts

[@londonnight937]

@João M. It is inferior because it costs 400 dollars a damn liter

[@CL4K.]

@@londonnight937 sooo it's still a superior product, it just costs more. You pay more you get more(most of the time *ahem apple* ) that's just how that works

[@hjwpumps9574]

Is there a RGB option for the liquid?

[@codys2747]

this as water cooler loop be amazing.. cpu bubble into res then loop to small rad and back to cpu..wonder how it would work vs water

[@qiuboujun]

it's not gonna work as water cooler liquid. The whole point is to have liquid-gas transform. Imagining your water loop gets filled with gas.... It's gonna explode for sure lol

[@gloriouspopemantom373]

Only drawback is that the fluid costs a fortune. There will be gradual losses so you will need to top it up from time to time. Fluorinert FC-3284 and FC-72 are the most appropriate having a boiling point of 50/56C. 14lb/5kg-1gal/3.79L of FC3284 at chemworld-com is ~800$. The tech itself has been around for 50y or so.

[@dannywinget]

Yeah it’s pricey. Hopefully overtime it gets cheaper

[@MOAXEmaurice]

The DOLLAR BILL GOT ME HOOK ON THIS NOW!! WOW!

[@MrBalrogos]

Liquid is probably Novec from M3 available for consumers for few years. It have around half of thermal capacity of water and it evaporate in much lower temps than water.

[@jovancalova]

long term effect for engine? There is good or bad

[@Thespokenone]

This is so cool! (pun intended)

[@riddhigoswami4391]

What is the refractive index of this liqyuid ? Can it be used with sillicon

[@GeraltOfRivia69]

2:47.. Now that's awkward 🤣

[@19RedRhino89]

“It’s not water, we’re emerging the whole thing in water.”

[@MRdeLaat]

how much wil that heat dissolve the liquid? do u have to keep pouring in new coolant every day?

[@hosseinebrahimi3451]

Does kitchen frying oil is conductive? I have a very big pot. I can put the lead backward on top and put some bags full of ice on top as condenser. I should find my ohm meter.

[@Skylersteel]

Amazing

[@mrgcav]

Awesome !

[@jenny-masterchef]

Next lvl watercooling.this is way better then playing with tubes and fans.its dust free and the hardware is cooled and look very nice bubble bath.where to buy this liquid?

[@snakeeagle6930]

This must be some neptune technology. There gonna move into the oceans.

[@preciadoalex123]

Wait so why isn't this available yet?

[@UncensoredArt]

Need to pay that guy more he did a good job

[@dannywinget]

Ha he did!

[@ruskiequickshot5688]

Where do I buy this liquid I want at least 40 gallons

[@eman610]

What happens when you need to switch out a faulty part? Gotta drain the whole thing?

[@Rekn4Life]

How long are you able to keep computer components submerged in the 3m liqiud? Months? years?

[@nalakachathuranga7538]

Woooo 3M

[@benrolle622]

Der Bauer did the same thing for gamescom 2017 on a consumer system

[@jeremyrohn7308]

We build a Mineral Oil submerged PC build 2 years ago. The new liquid is cool (haha) tho.

[@8Finious]

Awesome to see this idea first in my head and now coming to reality. Hmmm, is somebody stalking my brain somehow? xD

[@luxury_kingdom7364]

So, the gentleman states in the video that he was not allowed to name the graphics card. However, we already have knowledge on who the manufacture could possibly be, as well as which card was used. For starters, we can tell that the manufactures are most likely NVIDIA. The way were are able to tell this is by looking for the SLI & Crossfire configurations. AMD no longer uses Crossfire sense the release of their Radeon RX and Vega series, and only NVIDIA uses the design of the NV-Link, which are seen on these cards. We are also able to tell that the cards are not exclusive due to the fact that each of the cards individually are only provided with 8GB of V-Ram. This is just a couple of the observations I made during this video.

[@amnesiapodcast]

READY FOR THE 4090 FISH TANK BUILD