🛑STOP🛑 Buying Bad RAM! Best Ram for PC Gaming 2023 | DDR4 vs DDR5 Gaming

[@PCBuilderChannel]

▶ *Sponsor: Windows 10 Pro ($16):* biitt.ly/kPBz6 *NOTE: 14th Gen Intel CPUs = Same RAM as Similar 13th Gen* What system are you building? What games are you looking to play at what FPS and Resolution? Tell your story in a new comment below!

[@artistlovepeace]

I love your channel. You are doing it to help people. You are honest. You are factual. You are concerned and educating your audience. Thank you.

[@Daonexus]

Hi jason, commenting for the third time, looks like my comments with the link to my spreadsheet were deleted somehow. Anyhow, huge fan of your videos. I planning on buying my very first gaming pc this month. Since I can't link the doc, i will just type it out. I chose the 7900x bundle from microcentre. A 6950 xt, a montech 903 case, deepcool ls720, corsair rme 1000 watts 990 pro 2tb. Budget is 1800 i am a programmer by profession and gamer by hobby. I need high cpu because sometimes I run programs that eat up the cpu. I mostly do AAA gaming, and valorant, cs on the side. ( never played Minecraft in my life and my first experience i want it to be in 4k ray tracing 😂)

[@proshantobunny5673]

Hi Jason, So my budget is around 900$ max. I am trying to build a future proof pc rn. My first thought was to build a pc with ryzen 7600x but b650 mobo prices are very high in my country. Reason for choosing 7600x is because i can upgrade the processor in the future without changing my mobo.But it seems impossible rn.Also,in that 900$ it includes a gigabyte g24f2 165hz 1080p monitor but doesn’t include a gpu because i will sell my old rig and get the rx 6700 xt. I can take the 7500f but in my previous two builds both times my gpu died on me so i am kinda scared to take a cpu without integrated graphics. Can you help me with a future proof build in this price range?

[@bignicnrg3856]

@proshantobunny5673 no such thing as future proof. Build a pc for your needs today because who knows what coming down the road. In 3-5 years you will need an upgrade regardless to stay relevant.

[@kelley09162]

@@Daonexus it's because KZbin deletes links in the comments of videos. Post it in a Community Post instead.

[@decrexendo]

I swear, this man's videos are thorough enough to easily match a university class, and probably surpass them in clarity in most cases. Thanks Jason for the amazing content.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks so much for the feedback! So glad they are helpful (:

[@tiagonascimento4386]

Pal seriously now!? Yeah, his videos are cool, very informative and pragmatic but only for the average Joe user!! Do you even know what level of depth and complexity you learn at the university!? I don't think so because if you would, you would have never made that statement. What we have learned there is not even in the same league or weight class. Of course it's not that easy to understand like a simple KZbin video

[@decrexendo]

@@tiagonascimento4386 Apologies! Yes, university is extremely important for gaining deep and well-researched understanding. My point being, it is all too easy for me to get lost in that level of detail (especially when it comes to technology), and I feel that many people benefit from his ability to render so much of that often complicated information so accessible and applicable.

[@knightblad5631]

​​@@tiagonascimento4386 Undergrad is pretty meh, nothing you can't learn yourself with some textbooks and youtube videos. Uni's biggest resource are the professors themself.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

​@@knightblad5631and access to hardware

[@kennethlauer4735]

This man's the type of guy to get RAM sleep instead of REM sleep

[@thecomedian5933]

I went from knowing literally nothing (and I do mean NOTHING) about PC's to being the "go to guy" about gaming PC's in several RP Discord groups in like 6 months because of Jason's videos. I just had a guy two days ago ask me if I can help him build his first build. Jason's videos are so damn useful. I always send everyone here for PC info.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thats amazing! Thanks so much for letting me know it means a lot. Congrats on your pc building journey!

[@muskateer12345]

I mean.. I built my first pc on my own when I was 15 from just a handful of KZbin videos . Hardly a big deal

[@Demiii_GoD]

Hey man can u help me with a build pls ! Need to know if my parts are good

[@RADish-official]

No I won’t stop making these ram mistakes

[@PCBuilderChannel]

LOL :)

[@DS-nw4eq]

I’m still making these ram mistakes.

[@romanalmiron5535]

Hi Jason, thank you for your videos! I have been in the IT industry for about 15 years now, technology changes so much everyday, I learn new things from just watching your videos , thank you for all the effort you put into these informative videos 🙂

[@PCBuilderChannel]

You're very welcome! So glad that you're enjoying the channel! :)

[@GrayTorment]

What’s crazy is that I’m looking for ram then KZbin recommends this video, safe to say that this video definitely helped 👍🏾

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I heard you reaching out into the force . . . :)

[@luminthal4968]

I literally was about to go buy some ram at microcenter. But kinda wanna wait until prime day

[@JoeyJoejoe-sq9io]

So idealistic. Yeah, that's your phone telling google.

[@talon1706]

They listen to your thoughts.

[@eliyang]

For RAM, I agree QVL is somewhat moot at this point unless you’re trying to overclock to really high speeds. That being said I tend to look and focus on chip manufacturer instead for maximum compatibility. For DDR5, Hynix is the way to go right now. DDR4 Samsung or Hynix is fine.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

QVL was really important for the past 18 months, but thankfully that time is now past!

[@onlyadel1388]

i Want to Upgrade to an 14700k when it comes out with DDR5, Mobo will be z790 Hero Dark and for the Ram Speed i can go 8000mt/s will it work fine just with XMP and go , because i watch other youtubers like framechasers and in his Videos he clearly says all DDR5 above 6800 will have compatibility issues they dont work with just XMP you have to tweak them manually ?

[@dianaalyssa8726]

14th might be better but on 12th I've had to manually set my ram speeds, XMP has failed me on 2 boards (haven't done BIOS updates etc) It's still really fast and snappy even if the speed isn't the full rated, but 14th is supposed to be better with speeds compatibility, as 13th is also. 12th I guess it was new pains. Would still check QVL buy the same or a close kit, I ended up with 48gb kit but I can't run 6400 speed on 12900KF for example. @@onlyadel1388

[@DeepfriedBeans4492]

@@onlyadel1388What are you gonna be using your pc for?

[@onlyadel1388]

@@DeepfriedBeans4492 gaming and editing videos

[@Jasonwkey]

That is perhaps the most clear explanation of RAM I have heard Great job

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad you think so!

[@creativityinpursuit6935]

Clearest and most concise explanation of how RAM works on KZbin! Thank you for this. I was hoping for DDR4 recommendations as well for intel 13700 and 13900 as I’m currently spec’king out a workstation that uses the Asus B760 Proart D4. If this comment finds you what would you recommend? I do mainly 3D modelling, simulations and rendering in Side Fx Houdini and Blender. Thank you for your time and effort.

[@Jono793]

This was so well timed! Currently trying to stack up a Ryzen 7000 upgrade, and DDR5 is so confusing. Thanks for the updated recommendations.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad we could help!

[@djstevie69]

Clear, concise and informative. Another great video thank you!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thank you!!! :)

[@Hurduri]

Accidentally bought CL36 ram for my new 7800x3d build. The same day youtube recommends me this and I was able to cancel the order and buy CL30. Thanks a lot!

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

32gb is unnecessary for MOST gaming, but even my 9yo knows you need more than 16gb if you want to have open tabs, discord, youtube on 2nd screen, etc 🤠

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Hence why we say "just gaming". Remember all that stuff isn't just eating up RAM, it's eating up CPU and GPU resources and lowering your FPS!

[@MeesterJ]

​@@PCBuilderChannelnobody I know is just gaming. On second monitor, there are dozens of tabs and other shit going on😂

[@ShadiFagihi]

Linus Tech Tips channel is in trouble, this dude makes everything easy.

[@Brancan10]

factss

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Look out Linus we're coming for you! (; But seriously, glad its helpful!

[@LordWallace]

Thanks for mentioning that cpu memory controller could be a limitation to your ram speeds. I think I told this story in another comment section a long time ago but I felt real silly buying ddr4 3600 cl14 only to not be able to run the kit at xmp with my intel 12700 and having to lower clock speed by 200 mts. And as if that wasnt enough of a kick in the nuts, when I recently made the switch to 4k from 1440p and upgraded gpu accordingly, for some reason my cpu's ram overclock tolerance went down even further, not allowing me to run this same kit any faster than 3200 cl16. Oh but it got better. Had a gpu driver problem recently that warranted troubleshooting off the igpu, guess what, now I could only successfully boot up at 3000 mts if I was using the igpu. Hopefully with an upgrade to a K sku 13th or 14th gen chip depending on prices I'll finally be able to run this kit to its full potential.

[@kramnull8962]

Yeah, other than XMP settings for my Corsair ram the only thing I can run is factory DDR4 3600 CL18. That's on my MSI Tomahawk z790. I'm using Intel Extreme tuning on Desktop, so with no overclocking in bios, so I don't think that is hindering me from booting at 3800. Crazy thing is. "Memory Try It" in bios has stupid 4800mhz CL 15 timings; which most every kit of ram on the market would crash with. Another setting is 4000 CL14. Those kits would cost $400 to get any amount of ram, say 32Gb x2...

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

RIP for potentially upgrading to intel 13th and 14th k skus. ☠

[@KonglomeratYT]

Your channel is filled with so much common sense. Too many reviewers are recommending AM4/DDR4 builds to get 32 gigs minimum; not realizing that someone buying into AM4/DDR4 is doing so to save money. You always take the stats into account in your videos. Like another one where you focused on 1080p since it's still the most popular resolution (Running three 1920x1080s + one 1600x900 here). Though I would contest your statement against DDR5 being considered "future-proof" due to evolving speeds. I believe that, when DDR5 is called "future-proof" compared to DDR4, it's usually in consideration to MOBO requirements. Buy DDR5 today w/ AM5, and you can count on using it many years later. Buy DDR4 now w/ AM4 and you will be throwing out the ram sticks the moment you get a new CPU.

[@T0ghar]

Even without mods, some games like Escape from Tarkov, Star Citizen and others will use more than 16 GB of Ram. 16GB is not even near-future-proof when you want to play the most demanding games.

[@falcon_224]

Buy a motherboard with 4 ram slots, put 2 now. You can put 2 more later

[@kculpia]

Good content and great advice for a build I am currently doing. DDR4 does not fit in a DDR5 slot as I tried it out today. Also believe this is an older video, but as of now DDR5 isn't too expensive. I got DDR5 2X16GB "6000" for $119 (32GB) which is about $50 less when this video was made. I was tempted to double it as there are 4 slots (total 64GB), but since I am using an i9-12900ks I will use 2 sticks as Jason advises here. I am not new to pc building, started in the early 90s....my last 2 or 3 have been factory builds. Having fun at age 67 with this hobby now that the 4070 super series came out, I had to come back!! My grandson is 12 years old and we are doing it together.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I love to hear that you're doing it together, that's great! Thanks so much for tuning in, glad we could help!

[@aggregatecrab2989]

Hopefully Ryzen 8000 fixes the fabric timings, I assume that's where all this rumored performance gain is going to come from. Along with better compatibility with faster memory.

[@Youda00008]

I was expected a low quality click-bait, but it left me with a jaw open how well it was explained and how packed it was with useful information.

[@marcherano9167]

Hello Jason I've some questions below . -> MB AM5 - ASUS PRIME B650M-A WIFI DDR5 specs is 6400+(OC)/ 6200(OC)/ 6000(OC)/ 5800(OC)/ 5600(OC)/ 5400(OC)/ 5200/ 5000/ 4800 1) Can i put 5600 speed into it and what will be the speed of overclocking and not overclocking ? 2) Can i put ram without AMD Expo into this MB that only support AMD Expo ?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

We answer all these questions in the video so I recommend watching it. That board states compatibility for 5600 in an overclocked mode. The base speed will be dependent upon the RAM manufacturer. All Ryzen 7000 motherboards support both XMP and EXPO and there's really no difference between them.

[@SpoonHurler]

1) if you put 5600 ram into the system and don't enable XMP or EXPO (both are factory tuned overclocks) you will probably get 4800 speed. The ram will come with up to 5 profiles pre-tuned (generally 1-3 and some blank ones though) and you can (but shouldn't) overclock the ram manually. 2) EXPO or XMP will not be that important unless you are trying to get very fast ram with very tight timings to run in 4x sticks then EXPO might help it be stable if you are on AM5.

[@g.waits4gainz205]

cheeeeeeeersd!!!! had a corsair vengence pro rgb SL kit 3600 cl18 cause it was new, but i just dont get behind the insane overclocking propaganda idk~ i have it for my old backup system to keep it alive if i should buy something premium, but ill check into your reocmmendations thanks! id like to have 32gb but i dont want to buy a upgrade kit 3 years from now so i want all 4 slots populated for astetics as well so ill either go 4x8 or splurg to 4x16 since im planning a asus strix b550 f wifi 2 that will handle me perfect AM4 build to capstone this decade of gaming for me haha. buuuuuut i have a 5800x3d and ive heard the fclk pushing matters WAY less and im trying to lean into that and do like 3600 cl 18 and 1800 fclk for the next 5 years but maybe i shojuld perfect it with 3600 cl16 idk XD cheeeeeeers

[@OClueless]

hello Jason i am currently researching budget pcs for my first built pc! i have selected the rx 6700 xt and the AMD ryzen 5600x. i am now looking for a mobo and have in mind the Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi II. And i was looking through this video seeing which RAM i should purchase. your options are good but the rgb is pricy so i looked at my own and i decided to go for the Kingston FURY Renegade RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) 3600 MHz DDR4 CL16. is this a good choice? Thanks Jason!

[@bignicnrg3856]

Dropping some knowledge!!!! 💯

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Hey Nic! We're trying :)

[@Darktophat_10]

Ripjaws S5 CL28-34-34-89 1.35v. DDR5 - 5600 XMP 3.0 paired with a Ryzen 7 7800 X3D. Not bad.

[@PrismariLaura]

Local prices for ram vary WILDLY around here - a stick of DDR5 6000mhz CL30 is nearly twice as expensive as DDR5 6000mhz CL40, for example. You stated around 15:48 that slower kits offer nearly no savings, hence the recommendation. But under a scenario where the price difference is so large, would the performance loss of going with a 6000mhz CL40 kit be significant over a 6000mhz CL30 nowadays for a Ryzen 7600X? Thanks :)

[@xNachtmahRx]

Strictly based on CL values? Take the cheaper one if money is tight. Sure 30 or 36 are better than 40 but it's barely noticeable unless you are a technician or really into overclocking or hardware

[@77cats-2]

This has to be the most useful recommendation from KZbin. Having used computers for decades, I've still learnt something.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching

[@Kapono5150]

It’s kinda crazy how cheap Hynix die has become. Just picked up 32 GB 6000 CL30 for 85 bucks.

[@mangatom192]

It's probably an a-die too at that so it has good overclocking potential.

[@futurewdt]

In my opinion I think 16gb is not enough going into 2024. Running Rivatuner on multiple AAA titles on average they use 15gb and RDR2 on ultra was pulling 17gb. The price in the U.K. for 32gb kits is only around £15 on average extra also!

[@myrath9066]

Hi! I've been deep-diving your channel in preparation for my upcoming PC upgrade. Preparing everything for black friday. I have a RAM question; For AMD you recommend DDR5/6000/CAS30. But the ram chips I'm browing through have additional numbers. Such as 40-40-96 or 36-36 or 36-36-76. Any thoughts on those and on the performance impact on that? Thanks! Also; Do I need to pay attention to that AMD EXPO flag?

[@TheAshfyr]

AMD EXPO is the Overclock method for AMD IIRC. So, basically the same as Intel XMP if you are using AMD. It allows you to run the ram at a higher clock speed as long as the motherboard supports the speed.

[@TheAshfyr]

Those other numbers are the clock timings, it affects the stability of the ram, not sure the details beyond that though.

[@alexp5604]

I still come back to this video even thought I build my first pc I’m currently building a second one for my wife and thank god this guy exists he breaks it down so well

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad it’s helpful! Best wishes for the build

[@Allfath3r]

I purchased and installed 2 sticks of DDR5 CL32 6400MT/s alongside my 7800x3d, not realizing that there were compatibility issues with Ryzen CPUs and some of the faster RAM. What would you recommend for my use case? Can I anticipate better performance if I go about manually changing the timings and reducing the speed down to 6000MT/s? I should also mention that I am not experiencing any stability issues with the 6400 EXPO profile, though that did require a BIOS update. Prior to updating my BIOS, my system wouldn’t even POST when I activated EXPO.

[@imps-xr5br]

Gskill trident z neo cl30 6000mhz. Used buildzoids timings and 6000mhz cl28

[@born2serve92]

I went with G Skill Trident's Cl30 6000 and it's been great. Ryzen seems to work best on 6000MT/s (for now)

[@TheAdventuresOfAdam]

i saw a LTT video where he explained the absolute latency formula. i watched him explain it twice and still had no idea what he meant. You explained it so much more clearly. I finally get it now. I love how you explain things in a way that non-enthusiasts such as myself can understand. I've learned so much more watching your videos than any LTT or Gamer Nexus video. TYVM!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad we can help!

[@mil260zs]

I dont know if i made a mistake for buying FURY Renegade 32 GB DDR4-3600 CL16 for my ryzen 5 5600 for about 90$ or not, it kinda seemed like a huge price for that

[@PCBuilderChannel]

3600 CL16 2x16GB is becoming more rare as DDR4 increasingly moves to the "budget category" and most kits at 2x16GB are now 3200 CL16 (easier to produce). $90 is on the expensive side, but not terrible.

[@mil260zs]

thank you for the answer@@PCBuilderChannel

[@victorhughgo2376]

Outstanding video, thank you for the thorough information.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Nopecvtgaya]

best vid to watch while eating launch 😅

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Enjoy your lunch!

[@Nopecvtgaya]

haha thank you sm 😄

[@extremestudios9355]

People like you who share so much knowledge for both tech informed and non-informed people deserve a lot more subscribers. Have been watching you for years now, keep it up, we need you.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thank you! So glad its helpful

[@Dragnulls]

My new computer will utilize 3200Mhz CL16-18-38 ram 2x16GB dual-channeled and Im pairing it with an i5 13600KF and an RX 6800 16GB for a 1440p 165hz setup (mobo unsure prices need to come in for black friday) but this setup should be reliable with ddr4 ram as 2x16GB ddr5 ramsticks is expensive asf when I got this kit for 61 dollars (sales-tax applied w/free shipping) paired with an 980 Pro (sounds overkill but I can get it for under 70 dollars so I consider it with it). This setup should be future-proofed for a while as ddr4 ram speeds have proven to be the most veristile. Would you consider the ddr4 ramkit to be a good long-term at that speed?

[@WaterZer0]

Thank you for explaining timings to people because many people (myself included) thought that 6000 CL36 had worse timings than 3000 CL18 when that's not true.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad we could help!

[@josephgreenwell7807]

I put DDR4-4400 16GB ram into my PC. It's a Ryzen 5 3600 using a ASRook B5550M Phantom Gaming 4 motherboard with a RX 6700 XT video card. Next on my wish list is a faster CPU.

[@deaddoomed2380]

i was struggling choosing between ddr4 and ddr5 rams for my new build, this helped me a lot thx!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad you found this one helpful! Thanks so much for tuning in :D

[@soulman902]

The QVL is still very important that you match memory that is compatible with Motherboard and CPU. I recently got burned on this picking up Memory for a B550 DDR4 from Corsair that was XMP profile rated at 3600. I should have apparently looked at Corsair’s website but that kit is just not compatible with B550 boards at that Transfer Rate. While I was able to install OS and games to the system running them was another matter. Starfield kept constantly crashing to the desktop. Running Memtest revealed a ton of errors. After dropping the XMP profile off and running at 2133 was the only time I could get the memory kit to pass. Trying to bump the rate down to 3200 still produced errors. I had to buy a kit that was confirmed compatible with the B550 Chipset. The one I had was only confirmed compatible with the X570 per corsair. After getting the correct kit was I able to run it at 3600MT. So don’t listen to advice that you can ignore QVL and Compatibility lists from these makers else you will get burned like I did.

[@stacylite]

What brand of board and what CPU you have?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Sounds like you had a bad stick of RAM. Definitely happens as I just had a kit burn out after 2 days. Just send it back and exchange it.

[@hectorgonzalez4792]

QVLs are marketing now. U see 8000 plus on 4 dimm mobos that are not stable at all

[@EnzordG]

This is BY FAR the best channel out there to build a PC. WoW man, just wow subscribed

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for the feedback! And thank you for the sub. So glad you're enjoying it.

[@mikeywilson9804]

I love cats first comment

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So fast! (;

[@ColossalNakk]

This guy is so informative and actually helping us out to pick the best computer in this day and age. Thank you man

[@PCBuilderChannel]

You got it, glad that we could help you out! And thanks for watching!

[@canyouread]

Finally, been waiting for someone to say "ignore QVL" for a long time. It's just what they've tested, no way companies can test all the available kits on the market. In all honesty, I was prepared to hate this vid (based on the thumbnail) because I thought you'd say that this particular Silicon Power RAM was bad and go into the models, but it's all facts. Great vid!

[@yajnalgibno6536]

Holy God! This video is so perfect for me! Especially on the lectures about Ram speed and Latency. Thank you very much

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching

[@canadianguy1955]

I'm finally upgrading from an i7-3770k, 16gb ddr3 and a gtx 770 4gb. Went with an AM5 board because I wanted to future proof this pc a bit by allowing me to upgrade the cpu in the future, and have the latest ddr5 ram. Holly hell, are AM5 boards pricey. Add on the fact ddr5 seems to be split down the market. Meaning they are made for either intel xmp, Or AMD Expo, not both. Well this has cut the market in half for me, and now all i have as options are expensive RGB models that have giant tall housings for that RGB lights. Making it difficult to fit the air coolers I can pick. I don't want to spend $40+ dollars on RGB, I just want low profile ram with a good passive cooler. I'm starting to think it was a bad decision going AM5. From the expensive motherboard, to the unavailability of affordable models of ram leading to the pricing of my current build going from under $1400, to sitting at around $1550 do to these ridiculous RGB sets and split market ram sets that don't support AMD expo. I miss the days of ram just working on any chipset like it was when i built my last machine.

[@vicheaterx]

Thanks, never knew Intel stuggled with 4 sticks high speed RAM. Dual rank is probably the way to optimize things even further, as seen in HardwareUnboxed's recent clips.

[@Oheng75]

Been building PC's for 25 years and indeed, I use Mhz instead of MT/s 😂 Stupid and obvious mistake.

[@timderks5960]

Great video, you've been really helping me out with upgrading my PC. Do you have any recommendations on RAM for a 5700X3D/RX 7700 XT combo? Would 3600 CL16 still be good enough?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes that's great. And we are recommending 32gb kits now so if you need to drop down to 3200 cl 16 that's fine too.

[@kensingtonwick]

You’re the man cool guy. Haven’t had a gaming PC in 12 years and was baffled by the purported frequency limitation of certain mobos. It appears I have no worries. Thank you for the vital info.

[@jeffreylyons1531]

I needed this, with ddr5 ram prices down it’s definitely attractive, just picked up a ddr5 z690 motherboard and hope to get a ram kit on prime day

[@muthaflaco75]

That was a lot of useful information unpacked in an easy to follow way. Definitely helped in my decision making process.

[@camelcase811]

I run 4 sticks @3800MT/s on my Ryzen 9 5950X without any issues at all. DRAM 1900MHz, IMC 1900MHz, Infinity Fabric 1900MHz.

[@Angel-em6od]

Was choosing two 5600 mhz CL38 ddr5 ram for $98 a good decision? It was notoriously the cheapest options in my country.

[@sanchido36]

This is brilliant, I am planning to build a new pc (currently have a pre-built) this explains everything really well.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Very exciting! Glad you found this one useful. Good luck with the build!

[@something4114]

dude you are definitely the least bullshit straight to the point guy making these types of tech vids on the platform right now. super helpful.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad you're finding the content helpful! Thanks so much for watching.

[@dahle1983]

However, with the introduction of Dual Data Rate (DDR) for RAM, the data rate (MT/s) and frequency (MHz) are no longer synchronized 1:1. DDR is a technology that doubles the data rate of standard SDRAM. By shifting data on the rising and falling edges of a square wave, DDR RAM can transfer twice as much data at the same clock speed. This does not mean that measuring RAM speed in MHz is wrong, any more than measuring it in MT/s is. Data rate and frequency are both good measures of RAM speed.

[@AlerionGaming]

i came here for the cat

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Best reason!

[@darksim73]

So I have a ryzen 7 5800x, 4070ti, 32g of 3200 w /xmp profile on. B550 mb. What’s the max ram I can upgrade to? Should I even bother?

[@decibellone696]

I always explain to people that RAM is the desk space your CPU has to work with, not enough RAM means a small desk and your CPU has to keep going back to the file cabinet (hard drive) to search for the files it needs, with a bigger desk (more RAM) your cpu has to work less to assemble the information it needs. and when you have faster RAM if your CPU does have to go the file cabinet it can do it faster.

[@aelswify]

Thanks a lot for this great presentation

[@PCBuilderChannel]

You're very welcome! And thanks for watching and learning :)

[@the_soggster3464]

Thanks a ton. Your a holy technomage in my eyes.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Haha thank you, happy to provide some PC Building magic! Thanks for watching!

[@mephi5t0]

When I see thumbnail and watch his intro - I think: " woah keep your pants on there sales guy, you are way too enthusiastic!" Then there goes a lecture about latency and speed and I think - I am glad I clicked... probably should subscribe too

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad it was helpful! Hope you keep enjoying the content

[@lllOmidlll]

You and linus helped me build my own computer And I really am thankful for that❤

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Love those guys! Happy to hear we were helpful for your build! And we're thankful for your viewership :)

[@epic_iram]

About to build my 12600k system w the sonic edition b760. Just needed ram!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad we could help!

[@humericdollara5577]

First I thought this channel was respectable, but then I saw the OEM Win 10 key ad. That's worth a sub.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad its helpful! Thank you for the sub

[@hot_valcano]

Will 3600 cl14 14-14-14-34 be fine for a 5600x???

[@abdellatifcheater9833]

Jason Nice video, Can you do a video About The best DAC's to get, Never saw one in your Channel before

[@PCBuilderChannel]

That's a great suggestion, will definitely consider it.

[@LoveBystroem]

dud eI'll be honest I did not really know what I was buying when building my first computer this week, but I'm very happy that I'm right at the recomended top end for my cpu.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

That's great, happy to reassure :) good luck with your build!

[@poorplayer9249]

Jason, this is going straight to my computer/reference favs. Thank you very much!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad it was helpful!

[@aldronusf8063]

Thank you for the extremely informative and easy to understand information! Truly appreciate your time and passion put into this!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks so much, happy to hear you appreciate it! We're happy to help. And thank you for watching :)

[@damnurface]

My first time building, I went with a 7800x3d because of a sale, im trying to go budget so I paird it with a asrock b650m pro rs mother board and was looking into the t-force 6000 cl30 ram.

[@alanbenyamin487]

I bought g skill neo z ddr5 6000 cl30 a- die (open box price) and I couldn't be happier 😊

[@Klyeo_]

Awesome video, i think rRAM is the hardest pc part to understand as somebody who is getting into pc building imo at least it was for me and i still dont get much of it but this is a great video in that regard

[@PCBuilderChannel]

RAM is a subject that literally has no bottom in terms of how deep you can go. I could do an entire channel on it and still not cover everything!

[@SpoonHurler]

If it's any encouragement, I've been building systems for almost two decades, I'm an engineer in the tech field, and I have a half baked home lab... and I learn something new about RAM all the time.

[@Klyeo_]

@@PCBuilderChannel Yeah that's true :D but for normal "wanna build a normal PC" people this video is everything that they need to know

[@toddwerther188]

Pre-BF 2023 was a great time to buy. I got DDR4 32GB 3200 CAS 16 for $50 and easily overclocked it to 3600 CAS 16. 50 bucks. No brainer. Add a Z790 refurbished MSI MAG motherboard for $120 and $140 12600KF which runs P cores @5.1 without any voltage increase.

[@vukasinstanisic7258]

I just bought a Trident Neo RGB 32GB 6000mhz cl30 ddr5 Kit for 98 dollars, USED, the sticks are like 115-125 cheapest so i think i got a fair price

[@tao4124]

Great video. Much love for you and your cat. 🙏

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thank you so much! Hope you are having a great weekend!

[@natewalker4666]

Just for reference I can play a kitchen sink Minecraft modpack with over 200 mods with only 8gb of my 16gb of RAM dedicated and still don't notice any performance drops

[@l2arcl]

i would watch your videos every now and then but now ive found myself gradually watching you more often because you talk about the things most youtubers wont talk about, i appreciate it alot! I see youtubers say "this is the best ram for gaming and productivity!" but never explain as to why they had that thought so i would not listen to them, but i trust what you say when talking about this stuff!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate the thoroughness! And thanks for tuning in!

[@liameverson3230]

Currently getting back into the PC scene after a long hiatus of over 20 years. The last system I built was an AMD K6 233MMX (lol) so that's how long I've been away. A lot to learn to catch up to modern systems so vids like this are very welcome for me to get my head around things.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I actually started this channel when I came back to pc building after a break and wishes there was a channel to catch me up! Hope we are helpful (:

[@cristivpopescu]

@@PCBuilderChannel very nice comment, man! You are doing a great job of filling the void!

[@mralphoseify]

Fresh video right as I needed it. I'm building a new big budget PC and your channel has been the biggest single help. Thank you!

[@kelley09162]

Nice. Best of luck with the build.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Best wishes on your build!! So glad we could help (:

[@augustomantero8266]

Hi jason thank you ! Was about to buy a 7200mhz cl40 ram with mediocre timings but your video convinced me to buy 6000mhz cl30 with amazing timings !

[@briangrauholm2641]

Tried 7200 C34 on a Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX motherboard with an i7-14700KF. 7200Mhz is unstable and fails memtest, 7000MHz was OK. Tested the ram on a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master with a i9-13900KS, and 7200MHz worked fine there, so Guess I have a cpu with a less good IMC. So Now I use 6400 C32 and that works just fine.

[@jeroenvdw]

I choose DDR4 3600 CL18 over the DDR5 kits because it was way cheaper with almost the same performance. I might lose 5 fps if any at all.

[@ololometer536]

1:40 - not exactly! 3200 RAM is not 1600 MHz. It is 200MHz (like old good SDR memory)! And because it is DDR4 (doubles 4 times) we have simple calculations: 200MHz * 2^4 = 3200. For DDR5-6400 we have next: 200MHz * 2^5 = 6400. CAS latencies have the same rule: every next generation of DDR memory has 2 times more latencies. Twice more data transferred per clock cycle = twice mote latency per clock cycle. By your logic, 3600 CL 18 (DDR4) and 3200 CL 12 (DDR4) are the same. Yes, it is correct, but 3600 CL 18 (DDR4) and for example 7200 CL 36 (DDR5) have also 10ns, but they are totally different and it depends of how much data you need to transfer. If it is a small amount of data, that can be transferred within 1 clock cycle, then both memories are equal. But if you need to transfer a big amount of data (as usually happens), then you need 2 times more cycles to wait on DDR4 than on DDR5 and that is the difference! For example 5 cycles on 7200 CL 36 memory is 50ns and on 3600 CL 18 it will be 10 cycles and it is 100ns. Twice the difference! Fastest models of SDR, DDR, DDR2, DDR3, DDR4 and DDR5 have the same speed in terms of access speed (that is what you are talking about), but they are totally different in terms of bandwidth. Every next memory type is twice faster than previous in term of bandwidth. Anyway, thank you for your video and sorry for my poor English, it is a third language I learned.

[@iceman30055]

I'm running 4 sticks trident rgb 6400 mt/s on a Z790 godlike with intel 13th gen 13900, with the RTX 4090. It's stable and runs very well.

[@sampic_]

at 8:58 futureproof means that the upgrade path isn't locked yet. If you buy an AM5 motherboard with bad DDR5 you can still get some better later on, Same for Intel.

[@DazednConfused0]

Another great video, just built a 5600 and planning to build more. I was just wondering what was the "cap" on the ram was. Perfect timing. Thanks

[@NeonVintage-NMT]

Awesome video Jason, I learned alot. I binge your videos and theres nothing you can do about it!!!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@ppashesh]

The best video I have seen about RAMs. Thanks for sharing.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad it was helpful!

[@thomash7226]

There is a mistake in the caption at 13:50. It should say 3600 CL 16 in-line with your commentary. Great video.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Sorry for the typo!

[@whitenukezz9481]

Is it a problem if i get a gskill Trident Z5 RGB RAM with 6400mt/s and cl 34? In my region i cant get a 6000mt/s cl 30 kit?

[@LordArchibald]

I've really learned a LOT in your video, thanks a lot for what your are doing :D

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching

[@adith293]

I learned a lot in this video, and you've explained it incredibly well. Thank you so much!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Love to hear it! You're very welcome, thanks for watching :)

[@MRG1BZ]

This is, by far, no doubt, can't deny it, the best video on the entire interweb describing RAM and all of its intricacies. Thanks!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thank you so much! Glad its helpful (:

[@8bittimetraveler834]

Hello there. A friend of mine recommended me to buy a kit of 'Mushkin Redline Lumina - DDR4 RGB Gaming DRAM - 32GB (2x16GB) UDIMM Memory Kit - 4133MHz (PC4-33000) CL-19 - 288-pin 1.4V'... Then I asked 2 friends of mine what they think about this kit. They said it's an unknown Chinese brand, it's not good and it will break my PC. I'm a little lost and would appreciate your opinion about it. Thanks a lot.

[@Crossfire2003]

Great video. Informative too.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Glad you enjoyed this one! Thanks so much for watching :))

[@Zeen22222]

Thank you sir for a solid and simple explanation. I am now subscribed to your channel, keep doing what you’re doing.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

You're very welcome, glad to help! And thanks for the sub!