RetroSuburbia talk by David Holmgren

[@janeen380]

Love this message. And can’t recommend Art of Frugal Hedonism enough. An excellent tool!

[@markchadwick9222]

A truly brilliant thinker.

[@HeliIsoAho]

"Retro fitting internal space". Fabulous. Well said. Thanks for the great talk. Enjoyed it tremendously :-)

[@RJ1J]

Great talk. Thanks for posting.

[@lionelchan1601]

Non monetary parts of the economy have traditionally been in the domain of the world of women. One of the perhaps unintentional effects of modern feminism is to completely decimate the non monetary part of the economy, or at best convert much of that into monetary equivalents that simply cannot do as good a job. Does Retrosuburbia require a return to retro-gender relations?

[@RichardTelfordPcP]

Not necessarily. There's no reason why men can't provide for more of the non monetary economy than they have in the past.

[@wes4192]

But women do 70% of the worlds spending. Also, David would answer your question, no. But the answer is yes. Women belong in the home. It's amazing that you would preference feminism rather than saving the environment.

[@Simson616]

@@wes4192 which reasons would support your position? What would keep me, a man, from engagin in non-monetary economy? Is there a normative or practical reason as to why I should not go into that direction?

[@sarahammer5492]

A bit of a chicken and egg thing there, though. Part of the decimation of the household economy has been its devaluing because of its association with women. So to be equal, as a woman, I need to be out in the public sphere where work is valued. Plus, of course, if you go back far enough, the household economy was not a gendered thing at all, it was largely how many humans supported themselves.

[@lionelchan1601]

@@sarahammer5492 Good point ma'am. There is a different lineage issue here too. That devaluation due to association with women was not of the East or near-East, and happened only once Westernised kicked into gear there. And it happened very fast. The documentary on "Schooling the World" makes a good case about that.

[@wes4192]

We're gonna need a much bigger drinking water supply..just in case urban agriculture ever takes off..thats why I'm not a fan

[@cascadia.camper]

rainwater catchment and deep mulch are common in Permaculture design and reduce and possibly eliminate using tap water depending on where you live

[@sarahammer5492]

In my home town, the industry and agriculture are very big consumers of water so it isn't necessarily so.