Peak vs Longevity

[@younglove3362]

Webber is a hall of famer, not a borderline one. He's just being snubbed.

[@splashgod_j]

He made it in 2021

[@younglove3362]

@@splashgod_j Word? That's great to hear 👍! Finally!!!

[@aaronward4162]

They kept him out hatin on him for taking money in college

[@nanagyambibi7426]

I agree

[@younglove3362]

@@aaronward4162 they hate him because he managed to get around their rigged exploiting/extorting game. They saved face by putting him in later than usual. How would it make them look if he wasn't in it?

[@geekUSA101]

Chris Webber was one of the most talented PF’s in NBA history he had all the tools to have been one of the best of all time but it just didn’t quite pan out for CWebb unfortunately. That Kings team was incredible to watch, I’ve seen few teams that passed the ball as well since & I think they might have beaten the Spurs in the 2003 WCF & gone on to win the finals had he not gotten hurt. That team was stacked

[@stanhelsing1000]

Cannot forget the series vs the Lakers, Kings easily would of won the finals that year too without the fixing from the ref’s (01’/02’). CWebb might be a 2x champ in another universe

[@pitongus]

T-Mac is 100% a what if scenario. We never saw him in his prime. His injuries all started before he was 25 yo, which derailed his career.

[@nickjones5495]

I'm still taking dame. Cook me

[@noadviceplease7489]

It was more like 28 when he had injuries even though though in 08 he was still all nba 3rd team and finished 8th in MVP on playing 60+ games, every year before that he was giving you 25ppg so I don’t know where you’re getting 25 yr old from

[@brendonwallace6640]

Man stop it that dude had some completely healthy years where he just didn’t do anything

[@chrisjoseph3883]

If Tmac had even a smidge of playoff success… Like he made one conference finals or one finals appearance like AI He would be in a whole other convo of greatness….

[@SiyabongaMokoena-nh8fp]

But he has no playoff success whatsoever but still is respected more than guys like harden and russ who are better and did more in their careers

[@EXM123]

Yeah. To be fair he was cursed with terrible teams. He always torched their opponents in the first round.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@SiyabongaMokoena-nh8fpdid more? All they did was choke in the playoffs 😂😂😂

[@maximusorbis2548]

@@jasonmoukala8909and Tmac didn’t?

[@HugoSoup57]

@@yeelahowah7476T-Max wasn’t a bum. You’re right that he didn’t exactly get much in the win column (at least in the playoffs).

[@tristandavis8364]

Tmac Dunk And Reaction On Shawn Bradley Was Pure Gold.....

[@Opium64]

Webber younger years was still crazy before his prime 20-9-5 in his 2nd year just on a bad team

[@DBLRZ]

Cwebb is incredibly underrated

[@armin38822]

Melo or Gilbert as your first option. It dooesn't really matter. Your team will suck eather way.

[@dravidcampbell4926]

😂😂 Melo went to the wcf with a little help tho

[@armin38822]

@@dravidcampbell4926 He went to WCF once when Chauncey Billups came and set the house in order. Everything before and after was not great. Kenyon Martin,Nene,Camby,JR Smith were also on the team

[@thiagomennabarretoguedes2835]

"Either".

[@rqbxrtt]

@@armin38822

[@justinalley3399]

@@armin38822 camby and Kenyon martin were injury prone hardly ever available for the playoffs

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Peak vs Longevity usually comes down to a knee or back injury. Melo hurt his knee in 13-14, Tmac hurt his back, c Webb knee, Yao Ming foot, Arenas hurt his knee, Penny hurt his knee, Grant hill ankle, Dwight Howard back, D rose knee, John wall knee, Demarcus cousins knee. Knees, Ankles, and Back injuries that’s usually was does it.

[@Piffyman]

⁠ why I would personally choose Dame is because of his great playoff performances. He beat a james harden and dwight howard team(13-14) in 6. A prime clippers team with CP(15-16) in 6. And a prime triple double westbrook with PG(18-19) in 5 and a young Nikola in 6 the same year. He did this never being the favorite, with only lamarcus who is def a bucket but these are series where his team should have lost Or at least been in a game 7. I will admit I’m young and don’t know to much bout tmac but that’s why I personally would pick dame.

[@abfrm23rd-topic27]

Dwight Howard could’ve been a peak example for sure 🔥

[@MasenkOG]

I swear Webber doesn’t get talked about enough

[@waff6ix]

I THINK PEAK MATTERS MORE💯

[@Ballinbmac]

How when it’s only a handful of players who’s longevity equals elite play

[@truthteller8504]

​That question doesn't even make sense ​@@Ballinbmac

[@mrninjaninjaman]

I’m gonna say that TMac should actually get put in that same category with Grant Hill & Penny - I don’t think we ever really got to see him realize his potential, despite the clear greatness we did see.

[@dalton7726]

I think your peak just needs to be long enough to convince people it wasn’t a fluke. 1-2 seasons isn’t enough, but 4-5 is. That’s why people were saying MJ was the goat after the first retirement. It’s about what you’ve done. Like I would rank Giannis and Jokic over Malone despite his insane longevity.

[@SavoxYT]

If Tracy McGrady had just played one more season with the Spurs, he'd have a ring...

[@nanagyambibi7426]

Won me as a sub, TMac was a top 5 player in the league during his best years 02-05. I dont think Dame was ever a top 5 player.

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Facts. Dame has never been in that discussion

[@TravDot313]

Your right but the game is alot deeper too. The pg position alone has probably doubled is star level players. I'm still taking Mac though

[@nanagyambibi7426]

@@TravDot313 facts

[@HugoSoup57]

@@yeelahowah7476T-Mac was top 5 talent wise, but yeah I get your point

[@slickeddy2000]

CWebb made every team he went to Better. And he’s a HoF Chris Mullin is a 2x Hof player. Dream Teamer and as Individual talent. Chris Mullin had a drinking problem when he got into the nba he sobered up and started Balling .Mullin helped GilbertArenas lock in as Warriors and Gil took off. Dame is Better than Melo. Melo had squads in Denver and in NY Melo didn’t play team ball. Chauncey Big Shot Billups Finals MVP said it playing with Melo scores 18 pts team wins .Melo is in a bad mood. Melo scores 25-30pts in a team lost Melo is all upbeat and excited you can’t win them attitude. Dame never had any good cast. And was Sending better teams Home. Harden/Dwight Rockets. Russ/Melo/PG13 Thunder. Some other teams as well but always Ran into the Steph Warriors or That Rondo/Jrue/AD/Boogie Pelicans.

[@jonathan031795]

Remarkable video man! I'm currently working on a video for Amare at the moment and I think Amare get's the respect that he deserves. He just had to face off with 3 of the Top 5 greatest Power forwards of All time Duncan, Dirk and KG. I think Amare played in the wrong era.

[@ivanbautista5530]

And most competitive years in nba

[@noadviceplease7489]

People forget Amare had that eye injury and leg when he was 25 yrs old and had a torn miscues at 23 and he was still dominate up until his second season in New York his career was done at 29 and to me he’s a 1000% HOF he gave the business to everyone who was great he gave a prime Tim Duncan 37ppg and 9rbs at 22yrs old and he showed up every single playoff series you can’t say the same for Nash or Marion

[@Talking_Comics]

Great concepts and content, subscribed

[@nineteen9727]

Deron Williams is a perfect example of peak. I think he was a slight better pg than Chris Paul for about 3 seasons. His downfall was ankle injuries and a trade to the Nets and he was never the same player after that. He was a beast during his Utah Jazz days

[@noadviceplease7489]

Can you name these 3 seasons cause I don’t remember any year where he was better except for maybe 2009-2010 cause chris only played half the season

[@nineteen9727]

@noadviceplease7489 2009-2011 was his peak and there was comparisons between him, Paul, and Nash for best pg in the league. 2012 was when he started to decline.

[@gb1style]

I absolutely love this content

[@lundoren5240]

Same like wade peak was 2 years lol

[@mahomednaheez9862]

T-Mac and Webber were amazing

[@draymondstreamz8268]

Great video, I will say I’d love to see an entire video on dame vs tmac for top 75. I actually think Dame has had more success in the league than Tmac in about every way possible due to longevity . But Tmac was a top 3-5 player for at least 3 seasons. Dame has been top 5 maybe once. It’s a fun conversation

[@2kVue123]

C Webb is definitely underrated. If the Kings didn’t get cheated out of a ring with that series against the Lakers, Webb would have a ring and be regarded as a top 50 player.

[@GodSon91]

Tatum has a ring that’s the only accomplishment he has over Carmelo Anthony but individually overall Carmelo as of now is better my opinion

[@Cutty-py2lk]

It's crazy trying to compare a player's resume when the players are at different stages of their careers. No way to predict the future

[@justinalley3399]

no Tatum is better than Carmelo Anthony you dont know ball if you think Carmelo was better

[@GodSon91]

@@Cutty-py2lkwe speaking now as of now 2024 Carmelo still better than

[@GodSon91]

@@justinalley3399 bruh you a youngin what you like 25 because anybody who believes Jason Tatum is better than a college champion a one star ⭐️ to carry his teams Tatum had a Allstar player all his career he’s not better 👀👀👀👀😌😌

[@justinalley3399]

@@GodSon91 stop talking baskebtall Tatum is better than Carmleo was

[@kashparty3034]

You earned a subscribe with this video. This was good basketball talk 💯

[@chrisbrooks6756]

I'll take a guy that has a solid, consistent 10 year career, over a 15-20 year career, where a good portion is barely hanging on, ring chasing, building hollow numbers.

[@RodderickPrinceParker]

WESTSIDE RIGHT ON TIME!

[@chrisjoseph3883]

Chris mullin def one of the greatest shooters of all time..: that’s shooting from all levels 3 and mid range… Don’t know if he had the talent to be a number one of a championship team… But definitely could’ve been a number 2

[@JosephTurner-ok6br]

Dominique wilkins put up major numbers. Hes was 1 and 2 with jordan for about 4 years

[@bigpope642]

Availability is the best ability

[@ayrronmott1340]

Deron Williams

[@MrBubblecake]

Tmac is a rare example of one of those players who “could have been” and believe it or not, sometimes that gets you rated higher than guys who actually accomplished more, especially if the player was well liked by the fans before falling from their peak. I don’t think that should take away from guys like Dame who stay consistent for longer though, because if we’re gonna start comparing basketball players based on potential, we might as well start talking about college/HS stars in their primes as well. I think wait makes peopel appreciate longevity, is it’s hard to get to the top and stay there for 10+ years. For example I was the #1 ranked player in Madden Ultimate team ONCE in Madden 18. I still have the screenshot. Yet I never reached #1 in the Madden rankings again after that, mainly because I never played the game again as much as I did that year as consistently as I did, for a lot of reasons. But you see my point. It’s more rare to see someone maintain greatness. That’s why players like Dame get the nod.

[@HOGISIMJAYUN]

Lillard and Anthony over Dwight Howard was extremely ridiculous.

[@rovic9658]

Dame would get you past the second round on a loaded western conference, see Tmac' s playoff resume

[@editz_4266]

Webber should be an nba champion

[@brandongordon2392]

Dame should’ve NEVER been chosen as a part of NBA 75 over Pau Gasol, over Dwight Howard?!? Are you f**king kidding me

[@ace2nice]

You can add Dwyane wade to the list. If you want to push it, his peak at best was 8 years. It short compared to guys like Lebron, KD, steph, kobe, dirk

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Yeah but he has rings a fmvp all defensive etc. so I don’t think he really belongs

[@ace2nice]

@@jasonmoukala8909 True, but the one knock people tend to have on Dwade. His peak was not long enough.

[@officialscottiedrippen]

Blake could’ve been the top 5 PF of all time best of skill if it wasn’t for injuries

[@bizbaby]

I’m early in the video but if we have this convo then it has to be said… Lebron longevity vs. Jordan Peak 👀

[@Progressive.G]

Tim Duncan was a *CENTER*

[@akeembrown7661]

I think longevity> peak (when comparing careers at least) For example I think it’s fair to say bill walton at his best might have been better than say dirk, but because of how short a stretch that was I think it would b disrespectful to put bill ahead of dirk on the all time list.

[@DatmanTweak]

What’s the instrumental, i remember that from kickgenius

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Whoa let’s slow down. Jayson Tatum is actually a better player than Carmelo ever was, and I’m not convince Carmelo is beating Tatum 1v1

[@wgsuperstar7730]

Tmac, Penny, and grant hill hands down

[@reaperproductions9553]

Peak>Longevity. Peak will and should always be valued over Longevity. The odds of winning a championship increase as the situation increases and how good are you at your best. So wouldn’t you want Peak?

[@nostalgicgamer1363]

Kg duncan webber Rasheed Dirk awesome PF's

[@bookaufman9643]

I think Bill Simmons did a chapter on the comets. The guys who were the brightest stars that flamed out the quickest. Everybody's got their what if kind of players but I know you're probably too young to know anything about Ralph Sampson but before I came olajuwon got to the Rockets he had been the number one college player in the country and was the big man on that team. I think it was one of those fluke things where his injury allowed the Rockets to have a bad enough year where they were able to take a Hakeem Olajuwon. Kind of what happened with the Spurs with David Robinson getting hurt and then they were able to get Tim Duncan cuz they sucked that year. He was super skilled but he was in that too damn skinny too damn tall kind of thing where those guys never make it through their careers very long before they become injured and it all goes downhill. I just knocked on wood for Wemby. Haven't thought about Ralph Sampson for a while but I remember thinking about how good he was but it was all over with him being great super quick.. When I say super quick I mean Derrick Rose super quick and he wasn't able to keep playing without his legs underneath him. They had a good argument on the Redraftables about Derrick Rose versus Kevin Love which is talent versus longevity personified and I've always thought you've got to go with the way it actually played out.. Kevin Love had the better career and on top of that was a complete beast in Minnesota. But on the other hand he was never as good as MVP Derrick Rose. Like I said I voted for Kevin Love but they were split on the panel.😊

[@RodFrancisRomero]

Lebron James=Peak and longevity=GOAT

[@780tk]

Is jermaine O'Neal a hof? Resume says yes but is he?

[@monkehp]

John Stockton vs Isiah Thomas

[@guilhermekeffer8673]

Peak is the only answer

[@versatillion15]

How is there a “what if” for Grant Hill & D Rose but not one for TMac?? McGrady only got to play 2 maybe 3 seasons as a starter before he started getting injuries. At least Grant Hill got over injuries & had a few healthy years on the suns towards the end

[@redd_xiii]

Prime Amare was a problem

[@KingFR23]

What do people see in Jayson Tatum that I don't. Everyone glorifying him like he didn't play terrible in his championship run

[@justinalley3399]

Tatum had most points rebounds assists and elite defense in the playoffs

[@KingFR23]

@@justinalley3399 25 ppg against weak teams and 22ppg in the finals as the first option. You'd expect him to do more than that. He's not even the 3rd best defender on his team

[@cultofpersonaliity69]

Derrick Rose is the number 1 candidate here. In his peak, he is the NBA MVP. But that peak was really really short. I'd argue D-Rose had the highest peak vs Dame and CP3

[@thekidlivesnow]

Lowkey dame over Mac😭 both hoop crazy but tmac couldn’t win while dame was compared to Steph and some would say he was better but had a worse team. At the least he was in the WCf cooking while Mac struggled to get past round 1

[@joejett5084]

Melo a better scorer than Tatum but Tatum gives you so much more. I think Westbrook and d rose is a better comparison

[@SaintFrenchy]

Peak Dame can’t even hang with Peak TMac let’s be reL

[@SiyabongaMokoena-nh8fp]

But he has no playoff success whatsoever but still is respected more than guys like harden and russ who are better and did more in their careers Tmac had no playoff success

[@HugoSoup57]

I’d agree with that, but the lack of longevity lowers T-Mac in these all time rankings / discussions

[@sportstalkonly1442]

What about a guy whose peak is nearly his entire career?

[@SeanDarkStrike]

Turn Me Up Some!

[@javedhutchinson538]

Turn Me UP in the end👍

[@bigjabba]

Dame > Tmac and its not even close

[@dravidcampbell4926]

Facts

[@joehewlett897]

Hell Nawl stop smoking

[@benziahbrown7111]

​@@joehewlett897Smoking crack

[@AlthePunisher]

@@joehewlett897just out of curiosity what would your argument be? I get T-Mac’s prime was cut short but we did see it. Dame still has less games played than TMac but has led undermanned teams to the WCF and got past the first round routinely in the gauntlet of the west. Dame has more than triple the 50 point games he’s a far more explosive scorer and the numbers say it. Even if you take their best 5 seasons dames are better. So outside of Nostalgia what exactly is the argument for T-Mac over Dame?

[@bookaufman9643]

.I wasn't sure on which statistics you were saying that you thought only Chris Mullins and Steph had in common for a season? Was it 51% from the field and 45% from 3? I'm pretty sure that's probably been guys who have gotten that done but maybe on a lot less shots. Grayson Allen was just about a 50/40/90 guy this year but obviously he's only scoring 13 or 14 points a game. Chris Mullins was a complete lights out shooter. It was kind of the poor Man's Larry Bird and not just because he was another white dude but kind of because of the way he played. Very different guys though because Chris Mullins in east coast city guy and was kind of a big East legend.

[@nickjones5495]

I personally don't think Dame > TMac is crossing the ljne

[@HugoSoup57]

Peak and talent wise, T-Mac has the edge. But Dame has had a longer and better career.

[@JosephTurner-ok6br]

David thompson

[@dravidcampbell4926]

Bro u just said that dame doesn't have the resume to be top 75 which i agree but is willing to put t-mac over him who is regarded as a"second round" doesn't make sense bro

[@williamjackson5421]

Grant a what if but TMac isn’t?

[@jaron312]

Tatum already greater than melo

[@MilitaryFusion]

What about grant hill?

[@seanbaby1060]

6:48 he’s in the video dawg

[@BROOKLYNSAH]

👍🏿💯

[@bookaufman9643]

I haven't seen your video on why the Kings didn't get it done but that one season you can't forget about the Tim donaghy bulshit. I'm not the kind of guy who believes in conspiracies but that series against the Lakers may have been fixed. We all know what Tim donaghy was doing but I'm not so sure about the rest of those refs in that series. The NBA definitely wanted Kobe and Shaq in the finals.😊

[@Jordymonn]

Staudimire

[@idiverse3457]

No disrespect to Melo, but Tatum is already better than him. Offensive melo has a slightly nod over him, but defensively, Tatum is way better. So when you combine offense and defense, Tatum is much more of a complete player, hence why the Celtics were able to win the chip. Unlike Melo, who had great teammates in the Knicks, and in Denver, he couldn't get the job done because he was a terrible Defender.

[@DoloDohlee]

Longevity’s overrated, Demar Derozan had more career points than Larry Bird & Steph curry 🤦🏽‍♂️😂

[@JoseIrizarry-k7g]

Come on man ,peak is way more impressive than longevity

[@Datruthdacode]

If you think Peak matters more let me tell you something, do you want your doctor or surgeon or dentist to have peak years or longevity?

[@jaridatkinson4907]

Not even remotely the same

[@thiagomennabarretoguedes2835]

Do you want the inventions of a scientist that had a genius peak or the articles and essays of a fifty years professor?

[@Datruthdacode]

Genius Peak does not happen in peaks. They were genius for a long time….

[@michaelmayers3622]

No Tatum won't end of vid

[@peytonterry8386]

great video but im still taking dame over tmac. tmac was inefficient, not a great defender and never made it past the first round. dame made it to the conference finals and was consistently able to carry those awful blazers teams.

[@HugoSoup57]

T-Mac had the better peak and talent. But Dame had a better career and more playoff results.

[@chrisjoseph3883]

Dame at his peak was a top 2 guard in the nba…. Gilbert at his peak id say was top 5 To me dame peak was higher both stats, accolades, and playoff success

[@lovedenaro6729]

T-Mac never made it out of the 1st round. Empty stats. He only did it with the spurs when he was barely playing.

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

Gil wasn't and did win. Good numbers on bad teams

[@CrushWildman]

Bad teams? Those wizards weren’t bad they just weren’t great

[@gameodemosthene9252]

The only thing that matters is production what have you brought to the game and your team

[@cmurder8795]

Naw dame killing tmsc

[@G4productionz]

DAME IS NOT A HALL OF FAMER SORRY DAME IS NOT A HALL OF FAMER

[@HugoSoup57]

Dame got further in the playoffs than T-Mac who is in the Hall of Fame tho

[@robbark9635]

Melo might be the most overrated player in the history of the league. Immensely talented but not a winning player. Dude led his team past the 1st round of the playoffs ONCE in like 18 seasons lol. Pathetic. And half of that time was in a ridiculously weak eastern conference.

[@otimelyofficial8146]

bro said peak tmac> peak dame gtfoh with that nonsense. Tmac had significantly less playoff success and you can argue he had the better teams

[@4ktkaram395]

LeBron peaked the highest and has the best longevity clear goat

[@goodiegoodiegumdrops]

Lebron peaked the longest, wouldn't say highest. But yes his longevity makes him the goat

[@onyxstone4618]

DRose preinjury

[@erikscream]

Whenever a pooptuber starts with stolen content like this video with the podcast, it’s always gone be a dislike.

[@dalton7726]

I think your peak just needs to be long enough to convince people it wasn’t a fluke. 1-2 seasons isn’t enough, but 4-5 is. That’s why people were saying MJ was the goat after the first retirement. It’s about what you’ve done. Like I would rank Giannis and Jokic over Malone despite his insane longevity.