PEELING RV FURNITURE? Repair Tips + Charles vs Thomas Payne RV Couch Showdown!

[@flash8051]

Your videos are simply outstanding! Technically excellent, great info, no silly "comedy" or annoying music etc. Very helpful!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

I really appreciate that! I try my best to keep things concise. I’m glad you find them helpful 🙏

[@koilaf]

Wow - comprehensive, excellent video! Thanks! Shout out to Lippert and RecPro for participating, terrific and generous information!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

I appreciate that 🙏 And you’re very welcome! Yes, couldn’t have done it without their participation!

[@chriswinnek7200]

Amazing video! Just what we needed to learn about replacement options for our peeling Lippert Thomas Payne furniture!!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Glad you found it helpful Chris!

[@thedriver8174]

I am glad I found your comparison video. I was just doing some research on changing my dinette to a reclining loveseat arrangement. I had no idea that there were such problems with the quality of materials used. The prices are high in my opinion so I will definitely be looking at other options. Lay-Z-Boy where you get quality for the price.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Glad you found the video helpful! Yeah, hoping the updated materials hold up better than the original. Only time will tell!

[@rhondameyers1632]

This is a great video - thank you!! We have already replaced our theater seating chairs due to the peeling. The originals were less than 3 years old. The sofa is now molting and we'll be replacing it soon. The theater seats we bought are the Thomas Payne fabric rather than the faux leather. Now considering taking advantage of the discount for replacing the sofa - this is the first I've heard of their offering discounts due to the peeling. We had received a discount last year because we were at Lippert attending their RV Owner's School and they had a discount as being an attendee. Definitely will look at the RecPro!!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@rhondameyers1632 you’re very welcome! Sorry to hear about all of your issues but hopefully the new fabrics will hold up!

[@fzt6ktoonolxavbjgv]

Great Video. Thank you for sharing your findings.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@fzt6ktoonolxavbjgv appreciate that! And you’re very welcome!

[@nathanglassman5449]

Exactly the head to head comparison I was looking for. Great in-depth consideration of the important factors to consider.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Glad you found the video helpful Nathan!

[@christinemoore3117]

Excellent video! You do a superb job with all your videos. Your voice is very calm and clear and you get all the details. Thanks again and glad the two companies were willing to go along with it. It’s a very helpful video!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Thank you Christine! So glad you found it helpful. And you’re very welcome :)

[@JCcreates927]

Glad I have fabric furniture in my rv.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

🤣

[@carlmckinney2812]

Excellent video. Great pace and editing. My Lippert couches are peeling bad (live in Alabama - Hydrolysis). Going to call Lippert and see what they can do for me. It is going to be a big hit because I have to replace the sleeper sofa also.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Thank you Carl! Glad you enjoyed it. Sorry to hear of your issues but hopefully your new furniture lasts much longer!

[@Lippert.]

Chris! So glad you liked it - great comparison! Let us know if you need anything else!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Thanks guys! I appreciate the opportunity and hope my videos are informative and helpful.

[@EarlBalentine]

Great video, I replaced my new factory recliner and a RecPro power recliner. Everything was perfect, shipping was fast and easy to install. I would definitely buy from RecPro again.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Awesome to hear Earl!

[@douglasrooks2634]

Good video, We just replaced the peeling Thomas Payne with the exact same Lippert seating you used in your comparison, We really wanted real leather but could not find it anywhere. We were just at the Tampa supershow and spent time looking at all the companies represented. We ultimately chose the Lippert due to the powered options. That being said we did get it at the show for substantially less than ordering from a dealer around $2000 out the door. Were just keeping our fingers crossed it doesn't start peeling.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Same here! Hopefully the new and improved material holds up as advertised. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@CMunkeey]

My 93“ 2019 Thomas Payne oem 3 section couch recliner just started peeling, so time for replacement. They no longer make the extended center section my couch has so Im leaning towards a lippert 4 section replacement using seismic ends and 2 heritage center sections. It should come out to be 98". I'm 6'2" so your video on lippert being more comfortable for big people is very helpful, thanks for that. Searching the internet it looks like the peeling problems were with the last generation of fabric. Since this was posted a year ago, do you have any feedback on how the furniture is holding up? Are you still happy with the new furniture you installed?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@CMunkeey Glad you found the video helpful! So far the material is holding up well, although our first set seemed to be holding well too, until it suddenly started peeling all at once. But I can say so far so good!

[@loualquist]

Excellent Video. Chris you gave an excellent dissertation and explanation of a problem we've been experiencing with our 2017 Jayco Pinnacle 5th wheel. In fact, we're on the second love seat because the first Thomas Payne love seat failed due to hydrolysis. And now we have the same thing going on. Not sure we're going to replace it with another Lippert but it's good to know there are other alternatives. Thank you for your help with this issue. Lou A

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome Lou. So glad you found it helpful! Sorry to hear about your experiences so far.

[@cj34f]

Thanks! Going with rec pro

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Sure thing! Hope the video was helpful :)

[@josephcaudill3981]

I had Recpro but they did not hold up well despite replacements due to seams coming apart in the seat and back rest on both sides. They seemed aware of the flaws and quickly sent replacements . Eventually they started peeling. We now have A new RV with Thomas Paine but the frames seem to be bent because the recline mechanisms are catching.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Interesting. I’m sorry to hear you’ve had bad experiences with both! Quality seems to be harder to come by these days unfortunately.

[@LoriMorgan-jm5vk]

Best video. Very helpful

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@LoriMorgan-jm5vk thanks so much! Glad you found it helpful :)

[@joycehamilton377]

Great video! Def going to call Lippert on my couch. Here in FL, Hydrolysis hit us hard. Thinking I'd prefer RecPro over all. Thanks so much.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome Joyce! Hope you get taken care of!

[@rotwiler7674]

I removed dining area and added a dual reclining sofa with storage and cup holders, with Ashley brand in microfiber. Fit perfect and microfiber will not peel, plus was about $450.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@rotwiler7674 very nice!

[@discrete57]

Really nice video. Subscribed.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@discrete57 Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!

[@coevers1962]

Very useful video, thanks! I am in this spot, deciding between Lippert Seismic and RecPro.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome! Best of luck with the decision :)

[@EarlBalentine]

I would go with RecPro.

[@thomasmoseley6955]

I replaced my rv sofa with RecPro recliners and just like you showed in the video, they suddenly started shedding fabric at about 3 years. We had covers made for the backs of the chairs and tried the stick on fabric on the seats. Not an impressive look but it's functional. The parachute chord for one recliner also broke. My experience with these chairs makes RecPro a no go for us in the future. We are going with a company that uses Ultraleather next. They are pricey but high end and will last.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Sorry to hear that Thomas! Do you know if these were the Suprima Leather or the Ultrafabrics Brisa? And what year did you purchase?

[@ogdragracing]

Thanks been struggling with this decision. Going with RecPro😅

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome! And you can’t go wrong with RecPro 👍

[@joesnow93]

My bro another great video congrats on your first sponsor

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Appreciate you bro! Happy to work with both Lippert and RecPro!

[@geneland]

Great video, I think we are gonna go RecPro fabric cover. Not sure about manual or electric as we do boondock occasionally. Does the power block store power? I know there are battery packs available for reclining furniture so if there is a power outage you can still use it. I might go that route.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Glad you enjoyed the video! I’m pretty sure the power blocks don’t store power. You might also want to look into an inverter as well.

[@oklatraveler]

Great info! Thanks for sharing. What I don't understand is why do you have to be the original owner in order to get any assistance from Lippert?!? UGH! I guess it doesn't matter because I'd go with Rec Pro anyway..

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome! And I hear you on the stipulations! But yes, the RecPro couch is definitely a nice set.

[@quigley5071]

16:05 In your video you said the RecPro warranty for hydrolysis is 7 years. I called RecPro today and they said that 7 years is not the warranty, but the material would last 7 years in testing. Did RecPro tell you it is a7 year warranty for hydrolysis or were you assuming that?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Under the warranty section on the product page, it lists a 5-year warranty on the Ultrafabrics Brisa leather and thread and 7- years for Hydrolysis. If they’re telling you that’s inaccurate, their product page definitely needs to be clarified to reflect that.

[@cherylcase252]

Do those recliners have to be mounted into the slide out at all? Also, when you remove you original sofa or recliners, are they mounted to the floor of the slide at all? I want to replace out current couch with recliners, but wanted to know what I am in for as it relates to removal and installation. Thanks so much

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Our original sofa was mounted to the floor of the slide out with a few simple screws. The same applies when you install the new ones. Just run a few screws in to keep the set from shifting during travel.

[@EarlBalentine]

I believe all RV furniture is mounted to the floor for safety reasons.

[@cole-trickle50]

Do you have to use RV furniture ? Can you just use household furniture ?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You can use any sort of furniture you want. Just need to make sure it fits through your doors and allows full closure of slides and things like that. RV furniture is simply designed with RV dimensions and use-cases in mind.

[@casanders9098]

Awesome video, thank you!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome! Hope it was helpful :)

[@kedkeb]

Great review

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@kedkeb thanks! Hope it was helpful!

[@MrMatthewgross]

I want to know about that subwoofer setup behind your theater seats😉

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Full details about that in our rig tour at right around the 3:30 mark :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2qZdH6Me52lZsksi=1rR4ubkihJzkUfjJ

[@MrMatthewgross]

@@AroundTheSunWeGo Thank you sir! I'll check it out 😉

[@zacharycampbell06]

I'm curious if you priced out what it would've cost to have the originals reupholstered in leather?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

I personally did not. We wanted to upgrade our entire set to something more comfortable anyway.

[@2LStews]

I dodnt notice if you said in the video, did you decide to keep one of those permanently or sample them just for the reviews? Great video. We have a recliner that's started peeling and are looking for options. We are the 2nd owners.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

I still have both sets but am currently using the Lippert one because 1. It’s the last one I set up to test and 2. The taller backrest is a good fit for my 6’3” frame. Haha. It is hard to choose though, because the RecPro set is definitely more “comfy” and “soft”. If I was a bit shorter, I think the RecPro would come out on top. My wife definitely prefers the RecPro hands down.

[@johncasey37]

Have been looking. Prefer Manual, as we go places with no hookups. Also, a "Biggy" , a matching "sleeper" sofa with a bed, no J fold out stuff. If you have a couple to go with you, want them to be comfortable. Seriously, if the RV gets used 5 weeks a year, that is a ton less use than furniture in a house. 10years in the RV = 1Y in the home.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

For part time RVers that’s absolutely right! Way less wear and tear. That’s also why hydrolysis is generally the primary destroyer of RV couches. The newest materials should hold up much longer now than they have in the past. Which brand are you leaning towards?

[@johncasey37]

The Sleeper Sofa comes, 60", 65", 80", our space is 78". The RecPro furniture looks nice.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@johncasey37 Yeah, I would say RecPro’s Charles line is very luxurious looking.

[@willh3131]

I got the recpro quad set up with 9" console and cloth in " fossil" color. It's simply not comfortable. The cloth has a "ruggedized" texture and is not soft and then the cushion is sufficient but on the firm side. So you cant effortlessly slouch on the couch.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Thanks for the heads up on the cloth version! Definitely another factor to consider.

[@fireincumbents]

RecPro wasn't straight up with you on their claim of zero failures. I'm a RecPro customer and their warranty replacement has failed and peeled just as bad as the original I bought in 2019. I haven't been able to use them for 2 years without the fabric failing miserably. On the upside, their warranty replacement was easy and pretty painless. But since the warranty replacement also failed... I'll be looking elsewhere.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Interesting! Which material did you have? The Suprima or Ultrafabrics Brisa?

[@fireincumbents]

@@AroundTheSunWeGo Brisa

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@fireincumbents Good to know! Thanks for commenting about your experience!

[@kellyboyer4937]

If heat causes peeling why add a heating option 🤦🏻‍♀️ we paid 40k for our RV, this is such a disappointment. Never agin.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Haha. Adding fuel to the fire. Hopefully the new materials hold up much longer, even after using the heating feature.

[@naturalcurls1513]

We just replaced our sleeper sofa the fabric used was of poor quality. RV sofas are really expensive.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You know what they say! The smaller the house, the bigger the wallet!

[@mikelundquist4596]

Duct tape... it comes in a variety of colors now.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

lol. Touché.

[@everyonelovesfriday2045]

We got a five seater for our toy hauler and keep it climate controlled. The seats that never get set in are peeling… very frustrating

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@everyonelovesfriday2045 That’s very unfortunate. Peeling couches are the worst.

[@tedshantz6193]

be interested on the weight electric not much good boundockin

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Right around 200lbs for each full set. We have an inverter so all of our outlets are live even when boondocking on battery power, but yes, I could see that being an inconvenience if you didn’t have AC power.

[@everyonelovesfriday2045]

My recpros are peeling after 3yrs. Recpro basically said tuff luck. Never buy fake leather

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@everyonelovesfriday2045 Wow. I’m sorry to hear that!

[@mamawlife7852]

Why do they even use it if they know it will peel so quickly?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

A good question indeed! But hopefully the new materials they use now are much better.

[@bobnelson9468]

Thank you for the contact info and warranty program with Lippert! Much appreciated!!

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome Bob! I hope it works out for you!

[@TheDoogman]

I personally would not ever go to Lippert if they will not stand behind their peeling issue by full replacement

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@TheDoogman Definitely understand that!

[@terrywinningham5405]

Bonded leather is a cheap substitute, not just RV furniture that uses it. It is at every furniture store and Walmart, don’t buy bonded leather.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

As long as the covering lasts as long as the structure, I’m cool with it!

[@maximus2169]

I just opened a case with Lippert on my peeling theater seating. They advised me that its out of warranty, but they still want me to send in all the info so hopefully they will give me a nice discount. Has anyone received a discount from Lippert?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

If you’re the original owner and within the time window, you should be good to go. I do know of many, many people who have gotten the discount. Let us know how it goes!

[@maximus2169]

Even out of warranty, Lippert said I qualify for 50% off a new one. There is a business in MN that is selling surplus thomas payne furniture and they have the one that is currently in my camper, but for $300 more I can get one from Lippert with a 5 year warranty and power recline.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@maximus2169 Nice. Glad to hear!

[@ghostmost2614]

So…you didn’t address the peeling ?

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Say what now?

[@akshonclip]

This is a known problem in the industry. It was caused by poor quality material choice from the furniture manufacturers. It is not a wear and tear or humidity/heat issue.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

These poor quality materials are susceptible to premature wear and tear and hydrolysis from humidity and heat. The newer materials are of higher quality, therefore delaying the onset of these common issues.

[@shirlboyle5975]

THANK YOU!! Couldn’t figure out why my furniture is ruined, I thought rats attacked it.. This is horrible that Thomas Payne doesn’t do right by their product.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

You’re very welcome! And yes, a lot of people feel that way. Fortunately they’re offering the extended discount option and hopefully their new material holds up better. But RecPro is a great option for those who are ready to move away from Thomas Payne.

[@shirlboyle5975]

I sure appreciate your descriptive & thorough post, but I won’t give Thomas Payne another damn nickel.. Rat Bastards sold junk & they know it.. They should do right & recall their greed. I will contact them, but they won’t do zip.. Grand Design in general should be ashamed, so many issues I’ve had at my expense.

[@mike-oh8if]

Cheap chinese junk at premium price. Years ago non leather couches lasted

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

The premium RecPro material is made in Japan.

[@SteveHughes-w1z]

Everyone jumping ship on Lippert 😂. What you may not know is Lippert at lest offered a discount to unsatisfied customers. RecPro told all their customers to just suck it up. After 1200 dollars just 2 years ago my recliners look like they are disgusting 20 year olds. Almost all of the fake lather has pealed off. The floor is covered in peace’s. Now I am having to look again. I have no desire to give RecPro another dime of my money yet, my options are limited.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

Interesting! I haven’t heard a lot of horror stories about RecPro. Do you know which version you have? And did you contact RecPro about the problem? What did they say?

[@iztherelife1340]

It fails because it’s junk Most people use their residential furniture a lot more and no problems I wish we could opt to not get any of it and buy what we like

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@iztherelife1340 A lot of people feel the same way you do!

[@nickisabelle724]

Thomas Payne in the Ass. So much wasted energy making the kids use the couch carefully just to have it torn to shreds anyway within a year is ridiculous. I dont want a couch with lights, vibrators and heat. I just want something that can be sat on comfortably. Why does that cost a thousand dollars?! I unplugged all that crap right away. Still have a cup holder that cant hold a coffee mug nor do i have end tables. Weird designs when it comes to sofas.

[@AroundTheSunWeGo]

@@nickisabelle724 I know a lot of people that feel the same way! What year is your couch?