Honda VFR1200F - Full Owner's Review VS the Best Sport Touring Motorcycles BMW K1200S / BMW K1300S

[@nunop6606]

Great video. I have one vfr1200f and for me it's a keeper! I don't agree on cruise control and throttle... for me that's the character of this bike. That's what I want when I bought it. I agree with gears... low gears could have a better management. The most beautiful and better sport touring bike ever!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I really, really want to keep it so as long as I figure out the fueling issue, I think I just might. Glad to hear you love yours. Thanks for watching.

[@nigel274]

I agree ...I dont have a problem with the "aggressive" throttle at all. Coming from a 5th Gen VFR 800fi I think you need a steadier hand and because of high gears finer clutch control . I personally don't need a cruise control. Again personally always found the vtec vfr800 has dated quicker than the vfr800fi non vtec. The 2010 model mirrored the look of my 1998 model. Good review well done.

[@abovetheinfluence94]

I think his point is that it’s not the best fit for a sport tourer. Can get tiresome on the longer rides. I’m sure his throttle and clutch control is good

[@nigel274]

@abovetheinfluence94 Am sure ...wasn't saying it isn't....just saying I had to improve mine....bikebisbless forgiving but fine for me. I do long trips regularly...no problem. The weight has to be managed

[@muelledriver]

I have one manual tc 2014 ❤❤

[@highestsprings]

Great review. VFR's are brilliant bikes, they all have something. My 5th gen was so refind and ahead of its time. Beautiful engineering. Pretty much held its own against bikes 20 years newer and possibly the best sounding engine ever made!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Theme for watching. Cheers.

[@Tysk_10]

Keep up with the excellent work! Can't wait for the K1300S review. Greetings from Portugal ✌🏻

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Muito obrigado desde California.

[@sociopathmercenary]

I'm looking to add an ADV/dual sport and sport tourer to the stable. Your channel is a godsend for honest opinions on the motorcycles you've experienced. People love their motorcycles which is why you always have some comments from those crying foul for your critiques of their babies. 😂

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Then you so much for the support. I appreciate it and am glad to hear you find my review valuable.

[@Vickeviren]

Thanks for the heads up. No vfr800s turned up for sale as still winter in Sweden, managed to sit on one to feel the ergos though and was a bit surprised just by how much sporty lean forward there was to it. I liked it however, and everyone says its great for touring and long distance riding I guess I'll be fine. Your 1200 is gorgeous in that white aswell but doesnt really see myself on one as its little brother :D 👍👍

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Good luck with the search and thanks for sharing. I miss my 800 truth be told.

[@hbor77]

Agree on the cruise control, that could have been done pretty easily. However, on ride modes, I don't agree. I believe that all these additional electronic controls takes away your own sensibility en feel with the bike. Just drive with more sense. The throttle response is indeed twitchy but that can be solved by an ECU tune. That is just caused by these stupid regulations ;). Honda does deliver heated grips, my 2013 model has it and was an option. It is a fantastic bike and definitely a keeper for me. Main downside for me is that is not so economic with fuel while touring. No issue on highways, but touring is not very fuel efficient, strangely enough. As my rear shock started to leak, I replaced it with a hyperpro and that is a major difference. I don't understand your problem with gearing but that is perhaps more related to way of driving and roads where you can drive. I also drove a VFR800 a couple of times and, though I prefer my 1200, I found that you can use the power of the VFR800 much more. Giving the 1200 some throttle rockets you to such high speeds that, here in Netherlands, you can hardly use it (but it is so much fun).

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for sharing. The 2012 andup models had a more tame delivery than the 2010. I don't mind a ride mode because my bike is so Jerky now after the reflash. As for the gearing, it's really geared too high. One has to be riding over a hunder mph to utilize the 6th properly. It's a bike that gets one in trouble.

[@bernardomazondaher]

Love this channel and love the video, been waiting for this one for a while. I’m actually curious about what you said regarding the 1200 X. I’ve seen people say unfavorable things about it on forums, and I’ve seen them listed at a bunch of places across the country and they stay up for a while. I also want to say, having seen the bike in person, I do think it is gorgeous. I have a strong feeling for many years. I’ll wish that I could’ve bought it if I were skilled enough already. It’s something else

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for watching and for the support. I think this bike will age fantastically. I too am curious about the X - and now the 800 after so many comments here recommend it. PS: I see Escondido Cycle selling a brand new KLR for 4500 (it's green though)., They also have a brand new Versys 1000 with luggage for 14500.

[@V742]

I have just completed a trip across Australia on a VFR1200X. I'll give more details later, but in summary: Good: - highly reliable - strong motor that loves to sing, but also keeps going down low - Feels lighter than it is in motion - Stock headlight is the best I've ever had, and my '12 V-strom 650 set the bar pretty high - Smooth on the highway, even with crash bars that inevitably increase vibrations on a bike - 2nd to 6th gear changes are nice. Clutchless shifts are a joy Middle: - no cruise control, but aftermarket unit works well (MCCruise are great) - Copes with panniers and top box fine, though fuel consumption climbs a bit Bad: - not very economical even when being conservative, and tank capacity is not great. Will drink like a fish if you go hard - stock pegs are small - gets very hot in city traffic - On/off throttle in city is choppy 1st to 2nd gear change is hard to do smoothly - Ergos feel a little cramped for a big bike (though I am 6'6") - Stock windshield sucks. I use a Givi Airflow and I still get wind noise problems. Handlebar size and movement prevents fitting of a decently wide wind shield for my shoulders - You WILL feel the weight when pushing the bike around parking spaces.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

@@V742 fantastic summary, and very accurate in my opinion. Thank you.

[@barnysgaming]

I've just brought a 2015 one with just under 20k miles in the UK. Just waiting for delivery and I cant wait. I've always wanted one and was a little sad when they discontinued it. Bit I'll be keeping mine for as long as possible. You complaints about cruse control don't really worry me as in the UK 600 miles would put you in the see in most directions and the models after 2012 had an adjusted fuel map that made power delivery much smoother at low and mid rpm.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

All very good points. I hear the same about the newer post 2012 versions. Congratulations on the purchase. Best. Nik

[@antonnarnickis6675]

Great review mate. Agreed on look of this bike. Absolutely stunning 👌🏻

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for watching. Cheers Nik

[@marl0nbrand01]

Subscribed.. great review Nik! I've been admiring VFR and sport touring bikes in general for a while now. Thanks for the valuable insight. ✌

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Great to have you.

[@pl1068]

Brakes are 6 pistons each side so 12 pistons on the front. If you want the bike more docile put the original exhaust on which has low and high rev servo flap in it and get rid of the tune on the ecu. Heated grips are a Honda accessory, can be easily fitted.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I believe each caliper has three pistons from the outside, and on the inside its not another 3 pistons bit a back plate. Meaning 6 total in the front. Ive never heard of any vehicle having more tha. That.

[@pl1068]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours no they are definitely 6 each side, I have a 2010 DCT The Crosstourer has 3 each side which I also have. Love Honda’s 1200 V4

[@pl1068]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours Suzuki GSXR750SRAD had 6 piston calipers and the GSXR 1000 K1

[@RoeyHaviv]

Definitely 6 pistons on each side, I’ve done the breaks on mine, 2 of the pistons on one side are operated by the rear brake and the rest by the front.

[@intoconjunctions]

Wow your bike looks incredible. I have a 2015 VFR1200x. Tempted to trade it in for one of these, although I love the bike. So smooth man

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks. People seem to love.the X as well. I rarely see it for sale.

[@8tavian999]

for the trottle response problems do a remp engine remap and throttle remap and the bike will be golden!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Mine was refreshed with ghull but I am hearing the same suggestion from other owners.

[@hbor77]

Correct, mine was tuned by Sabsteef and makes all the difference.

[@allenframe739]

I found the riding position leaning forward uncomfortable over and period of time. I installed heli bars to bring the grip height up 2 inches and back 1 inch. They fit perfectly with the original fairing. I also lowered the seat height by re covering it with less padding. It changed the whole feel of the ride.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for those suggestions. I'm getting to be a big fan of the bike two years in.

[@Geronimo989]

Great looking bike and interesting review. I almost traded my CBF 1000 for one of these, but the limited range made me think twice.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for watching. I do love how it looks and the power. I say don't hesitate to get on one of you see ot.

[@colingryms3373]

I traded my CBF1000 for the VFR1200. I do like it better than the CBF and I only find the range limitation a slight pain. I would really like to have cruise! I have throttle lock but it only gives a brief reprieve from wrist/hand fatigue .

[@Geronimo989]

​@@colingryms3373 In the end I traded the CBF for a CBR 11000XX, but I have yet to take it for a longer tour. If it turns out to bee too uncomfortable I will consider the VFR again since Honda intended it to replace the Blackbird.

[@colingryms3373]

@@Geronimo989 If you do get a VFR1200, try to find one with an aftermarket seat and HeliBar risers... it really helps when doing long days.

[@mumblety96]

Terrific review! Off to watch your BMW reviews as a K1200 / K1300 whether R or S is on the short list. Have also owned and loved a 5th Gen VFR 800 in yellow, the best color.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for watching. I just filmed my review of the f800gt so please stay tuned for that and consider subscribing to get notified when that comes out. Cheers.

[@Ari--d]

glad to see another update

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for the support.

[@isend2c]

I bought one of these in 2019 after seeing in 2010 and instantly making it my dream bike. I adored it. I agree that the cases make it look bulkier, I'd take them off sometimes. I felt like I had unlimited speed (before the VFR1200 I had a Suzuki GS500F 😂 for a decade). I agree that I'd like to have cruise control on it. It's just so dang pretty, but they're rare and owners rarely sell them.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Very true. The more I have it the more I love it. It might be the bike I keep for the long term. I just don't get tired looking at it.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

yum yum im drooling at it from my 15yr old 90hp bandit 1200s...some people dont appreciate the power the VFR makes!😜

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

It's certainly not a.bike one gets bored of quickly

[@kenfan5666]

Hey Nick, Great video review. I'm surprised that you picked this bike over a GL 1800, though. Especially since the recent GL generations are so much more sportier than the previous generations. Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I like the original in any model - especially the iconic gold wing. They say the 81 and up is a better motor by far. The 1100cc. Better carb synching. I hope all is well with you.my.friend. God bless and regards from San Diego.

[@timmeijerink9504]

That reflash makes it more nervous. I cannot complain about twitchy handling. I love my vfr1200. The only thing that's a bummer is the seat.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I don't find the seat terrible although mine has been reuplholstered.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

A very detailed review. I agree about the cruise control. For such a ST bike it is needed. Would love to try one. I think that one being more than 6ft it would feel cramped riding it. It could be that the "Motorcycle Ergo" is wrong. :)

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

It s not the type of bike that makes one feel cramped. I think you are in for a pleasant surprised in that regard. It's definitely a big beefy machine.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours Thanks a lot for the answer bro. Appreciate it.

[@garyt123]

Thanks for the review. A personally don't miss any electronic BS, ABS is just enough. One question I have is which crash protectors do you have? (Odio los tipicos RG, que se encuentra en todas partes, que necesitan agujerear el carenado)

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

T Rex racing, 11351 Anaheim Dr. Dallas TX 75229

[@pl1068]

The unicam system is derived from Hondas crf motocross bikes, it still has 4 valves per cylinder.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for that informant.

[@carsyoungtimerfreak1149]

Good review, thank you. I own a '96 4th gen VFR in metalic blue, relatively rare, most are red. I recommissioned that bike and it is almost perfect. The V4 is awesome. However I cover most miles on a GS... Not very original, I know. I hate the looks of it, but it is very, very comfortable and, mine being an oilhead, simple to maintain. On the VFR I had to swap the valve cover gasket of the rear cilinder pair... An absolute nightmare. I am thinking of swapping the GS for the VFR 1200 cross tourer. Any boxer twin will never be a match for a V4...

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thats indeed a rare and gorgeous color. They made these 1200 in blue as well and I absolutely love it. I've never seen one in person. The honda blue used on the NC line is amazing as well.

[@tedgramlich691]

I agree with you, the throttle is hard to get used to and first gear is to high with that throttle. I love this motorcycle. I bought mine with 17,000 miles maybe it has a tune?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Mine is tuned already. Ghull. I hear the 2012 models on had a better delivery.

[@sanchez33ify]

Hi. Is the seating position a bit more upright than on the Honda VFR800F?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

It's about the same. I have risers on this one.

[@jonasv369]

i own a triumph rocket, very responsive and fast to accelerate from 800 rpm, have you riden one? if yes then how would you compare acceleration response vfr1200 vs rocket

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I have not ridden ine although I've been looking. What a great looking motorcycle. It too has the bags as options. Where are you locared?

[@thatchh1]

I have a 2010 red VFR 1200F. I agree, the lack of cruise control is a big miss by Honda. As you say, the range is also poor for long distance touring. I have no issue with throttle control or gear spacing. It has so much torque, it feels strong anywhere over 2K rpm. I did add a module to give it full power at all rpm in 1st and 2nd gear. The power limit was really annoying prior to that. The brakes are awesome! I had the rear shock rebuilt with a valve package and stiffer spring, which really improved the handling. The looks alone are enough to keep me from selling mine. It's great for a weekend curvy backroad trip. I also agree about getting amped up when riding it. I feel invincible on it, which is a great feeling, but can lead to increased risk. I couldn't have it as my only bike, but it sure makes a great member of a 3 bike stable.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I agree. The looks alone make it worthy of garage space. I might consider springs in the future as well. One solution oddly enough to my throttle woes was to go back to my old old gloves. I'm still enjoying the bike.

[@hyperthunk]

what module did you add to yours to sort the restrictions in 1st and 2nd? I am contemplating a flash, but would prefer a plug-in solution as I don't really want to pull the ecu and send it abroad.

[@thatchh1]

@@hyperthunk The module came from Bazazz. It tricks the bike into thinking it's in 3rd gear even in first and second. Only downside is that the gear indicator reads 3 in 1,2 and 3. Doesn't bother me too much. I mostly use gear indicator to know when I'm in top gear.

[@robertutley566]

I had an 87 and loved it

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Most people do love those earlier ones.

[@VinnyVinceViper]

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for your question. All these three bikes are in completely different categories so it depends on what your body feels.most comfortable sitting on. You goot try them to decide. The dct un Hondas seem to be very reputable and well liked so you won't go wrong with whatever you choose. I just prefer luggage on my bike and the rebel doesn't have it I don't think.

[@superblackbird7889]

The best thing with this motorbike is that it is the old school way to handle this engine, the right hand control the power.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I have to say that I agree and I've been enjoying this bike more and more with my old warning gloves and the throttle maister lock to removed

[@hyperthunk]

Hey bud. Just come across this - great video and review. I don't know if you've still got this bike, but I wonder if the fueling issues you're having are due to the flash (you mentioned it was flashed previously), some flashes remove the power limitations that honda built into the first few gears. I know a few people have used a PC-V to smooth out the throttle response on these... I've owned a VFR-750 (1992, last of the gear driven cams) which I loved, then a '12 crossrunner (VFR800 Interceptor frame and engine, with an upright riding position and bars) which I use as a commuter and for 1-up touring. Got my eye on a 1200 for 2-up touring, love the looks. Will have to test ride and see what I make of the fueling, thanks for the review anyways!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for watching. I hear that the stock ceiling was pretty awful unless it was the later DCY models. I am living with mine though and the looks keep me in love with it still. Take it for a spin for sure.

[@rapid13]

The _original_ VFR was red white and blue, baby!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

One of the best looking bike ever made.

[@richardshort4587]

I don’t think Honda can be beat by the Bavarian K1300S. As a current owner of a large BMW bike (different model which I have for sale) it’s time for me closing in on 70 years young, to want to just ride with zero worries. BMW yes they’re fast and look good, but boy are they ever needy kids and expensive to own. So finicky, parts availability, electronics and electrical problems, brake ABS units failing, cam chains lifting off, transmission failures, etc etc. BMW are painful to deal with, and their current decision to not allow owners access to repair manuals and tooling to force you into their stealership for work is bad, very bad for business. Stalwart Beemer owners are dropping the brand in favour of our Japanese manufacturers. I for one would never ever own another BMW. But each to their own. Thanks for the video and taking the time to produce it.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I know exactly what you're referring to. I own another BMW, the F800 GT Sport tour motorcycle and I hate the fact that I have to waste my afternoon to go to the dealership so I can pay them 50 bucks to delete the service code that pops up every year just so they can take money from me. My sidecar rig on the K 1300 also has service lights for the blinkers and for the tire pressure monitor which of course have been affected when the sidecar was installed and car tires were put on. I'm stuck with facing these lights and nothing can remove them and it's so incredibly annoying. I knew about the tools and the code reader, but I did not know BMW also protects repair manual information it doesn't allow that to go public. That is incredibly frustrating. And I think it should not be legal. If you want a motorcycle you have to have a right to repair it yourself. Thank you very much for your input I appreciate having very experienced Riders like yourself on this channel. Please stay tuned for my review of the 800 GT. Cheers.

[@richardshort4587]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours Thak you and you’re welcome. Appreciate you so much for taking the time to do these videos. Cheers 🍻

[@krzychaczu]

@@pegasusmotorcycletoursI own 2007 K1200 GT for 15 years now. 60.000 km now. Only when it was 3 or 4 yo it had Electronic Suspension Adjustment and clutch replaced... for free! I literally pay for service every 10k, oil change every year, fuel and tires. 150 hp. Smooth as butter. Great for touring with wife. My wife loves it as well. It's a keeper for me. Good luck in finding your keeper!

[@metal2metallica]

​@@krzychaczuI have the same bike 2006 K1200GT. My partner and I love it.

[@krzychaczu]

@@metal2metallicaCool, enjoy your trips and see you on the road! 😎🍀

[@luisrizo3605]

A question where I can find that slider exactly the same you have?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

T Rex racing, 11351 Anaheim Dr. Dallas TX 75229

[@Ari--d]

15:59 has a c5?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

As well ;)

[@ciuffro1]

Do you still have it? I'm considering in these days to get one, with DCT (I already have experience with it and I love it, I would just miss the riding modes). How confortable can it be for a 5 11 person?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Yes I still do. It's a big bike so you won't feel cramped. Are you in CA?

[@ciuffro1]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours no, I'm based in Italy

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

@@ciuffro1 I was just in Torino. Was going to offer you to take this one for a spin. Cheers. and good luck with the search.

[@ciuffro1]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours that would have been great! Thanks anyway

[@someguy9520]

31L top case is abysmal though My NT700 Deauville has 42L factory and i can fit 2 Full Face helmets in that top case

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Wow. 42 liters is pressive indeed. Thanks for sharing

[@luisrizo3605]

Greetings, excellent review, I have one and I love it, I wouldn't mind if it had a cruise system, in fact it would be great for me. A question where I can get that slider, that specific one. Saludos, excelente revisión, yo tengo una y me encanta, no me molestaría que tuviera sistema crucero de hecho sería genial para mi. Una pregunta donde puedo conseguir ese slider, ese en específico.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Hola. Comorados en t-rex racing en 11351 anaheim dr, dallas TX 75229. Pero 5 años atrás.

[@klrrafman]

DCT calms it down. It rides like a scooter in the city. I love it for that reason.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I think I'd miss the shifting but everyone seems to love dcr so I'll have to give it a try.

[@klrrafman]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours I thought so too but if you want a hwy rocket and a scooter for the city, this is it.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

@@klrrafmanVery true.

[@Fee.1]

There’s an alternative you know…are you dead set on a VFR? Theres something smack between them. And very similar design. Beautiful. What bikes do you think of when I say that? There’s a couple that come to mind actually. But two slept on, one a bit more special and one a bit more reliable

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Pray tell! What is this mysterious bike you tease of?

[@Fee.1]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours oh come on play along a little. What do you think are a few of the biggest competitors from this era…some of the most similar/best sport tourers. Gimme a few guesses as to what I might be referring to. Just name a few models.

[@paulsmith7601]

Nothing us more reliable than a shaft driven 1200f .... and as for special... this was a flagship bike at launch most expensive in its categories.... it included the dual clutch system on the dct model .... nothing at time of launch was as advanced as this bike barring its big brother the gl1800

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Fjr is next on the hitlist although I see a turismo veloce I am tempted to buy. Last week I picked up a BMW f800gt and it's ok. Nothing special but very utilitarian.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Honda always pushing the limits

[@grahamkerswell6706]

I still have mine from new 12 years. I have no criticism of the ride at all. The bike is not crazy just the rider. Never goes wrong and not twitchy if ridden properly.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Great to hear from another satisfied owner

[@krzychaczu]

7:53 one night I cut off the way of a motorbike with these small, narrow-placed lights - when I saw it in a mirror, I was convinced it's a car far far away. Luckily, this guy wasn't going faster than me. If he was... Since then I believe these lights can do more harm than good at night.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Very good point.

[@leondamaskinos8593]

Hi I have owned a blue 2012 dct for 10 years now, the models below 2012 maps are more twitchy.. you need to get a 2012+ model even more refined.. pitty honda did not get it right before 2012.. The dct is deffo much nicer than manual, great gearbox smooth linear power with ride modes sport standard drive.. you need to setup the suspension properly else too soft . Mine handles more like a sport bike now just more comfortable. Yes it could do with cruise control but there is a aftermarket one that ties in with the system.. mine is deffo a keeper now!! Nothing like it.. your re map was not successful, my throttle response is right on!! I have owned many bikes but this vfr1200f dct has no equal with its dct box in sport mode..

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I hear that alot. Although I prefer to have the clutch myself to co trolley, I bear great things about the dct. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for sharing.

[@erics7531]

Who did your ECU flash?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Ghull. I spoke to him over the phone. They dont do it anymore. Too many regularions

[@horse5407]

There’s a guy on FB does it remotely. He’s in Holland. He did mine here in the USA.

[@bampie1]

I've owned plenty of bikes with power modes and never used them. I trust my senses and common sense you don' ride like a hooligan in the wet.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

It's true. Oddly enough I do find my guzzi ride modes very useful.

[@jankovicmilan3406]

Dobrodošli! To je to.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Moramo I mi jbg. Cilj mi je da prevedem kanal I da je barem audio na "nas" jezik.

[@zrixy]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours odlična recenzija. Moj muž je prije 10 dana kupio 2016. godište ovog motocikla i prezadovoljan je.

[@tamborineman000]

Thank you for this review... I was tossing up between the Honda VFR 1200 and the Yamaha FJR 1300 and I'll now go for the cruise control version of the FJR 👍 I live in Australia where our governments treat motorists like cash cows using the police as revenue raisers for their political masters so cruise control is essential to save your licence here... also the gearing you mentioned sealed the deal for me.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Happy hunting!

[@justintante]

Not sure how fair you are being by commenting about aggressive throttle response when your bike has been reflashed. My vfr12f is standard and the throttle response is tame and gradually builds. Yes, it is a very fast bike but totally manageable. With kind regards, J

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for participating in the conversation. I like how your profile picture goes perfectly with your critique :) I think the flash made it overly aggressive to be quite honest. I spoke to Ghull himself over the phone and he told.me they don't do that anymore due to emission laws, so I'm glad I have it done. According to him it was Really beneficial thing to do for the sub 2012 models. They made a few changes in 2012 and up and especially with the dct so I think there is alot of difference between our two bikes. Cheers. Nik

[@Fee.1]

Why do you think the luggage is so much higher ?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Can't say other than an attempt to keep the weight lower. What say you?

[@Fee.1]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours how does putting the luggage higher help keep the weight lower. You’re making me feel ignorant with that response. 😂

[@Fee.1]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours I’m not sure honestly, I did notice that the higher luggage allows the single sided swimgarm and the beautiful wheel to remain fully visible in all its glory. Not sure if that played a Role though. Why don’t you love us anymore. You’re never around and even after you released a video today for the first time in ages you don’t spend much time with us. 😭

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I meant, the lower the luggage the lower the center of gravity. We are on the same page lol

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I love my channel subs to be sure. Just raising two baby girls and youtube doesn't pay the bills but takes alot of time. I try to keep up with the videos and next week will release a review of my iron horse motorcycle trailer. Thanks for the support.

[@PabloLopez-bv3uc]

Why do I just want one and have it painted white like this one? LOL. I am selling my CTX700 to get into either this one or a FJR1300, but I’m liking this one so much better now that man! I don’t see cons just pros 😎

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

It's a whole lot a bike to love. I've decide to sell this one if you are interested.

[@okinawanah3463]

I dunno i rode my ZX14 in pouring rain no issues and 185 through Bakersfield and Mexico no issues

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I've been very curious about the zx14.

[@okinawanah3463]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2XIkpVmp8iiq7csi=YaZ7mFLQCShfA8tD kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX3dXmSHet2fnsksi=Kw9Zj3bCZw2z25ni I ride my bikes balls to the walls as they say. I felt the ZX14 not having enough power and I did a common modification removing the secondary throttle plates that stay closed under 6k RPMs, I read that the VFR as well is restricted under 4K RPMs in 1st, 2nd gear. If you want to feel a truly "aggressive" bike I think the Yamaha FZ09 / MT09 is the answer due to its power to weight ratio the bike really bucks hard like a horse. On that note you should ride fast horses down in Rosarito to feel the power and lurchiness, bikes and horses have a lot in common and I really like riding fast on horses as well. I rode my ZX14 from Reno Nevada down to Ensenada Baja California, I only had to really relax on the throttle during rain but besides that that thing is definitely a missile.

[@hogueraleksander5868]

Sell it. Keep the next to impossible to find luggage. Buy a 2014+ vfr800 Deluxe. Has everything you want minus the cruise control and the luggage clicks right on. And they sold it in pearl white. So win everywhere. And in my opinion looks way nicer than that bike. Plus has about a 250 mile range.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Had a guy already ask to buy just the luggage for his 800 - nice to know they are inyerchangable but the 800 never appealed to me physically. It looks small, sharp - this one is a much larger bike physically. It just doesn't do it for me but I know it must be great to ride.

[@Subaruktm]

Man, get your facts straight, the tank was reduced from what? You’re talking about the first model in the second model traction control came and they made a slightly larger tank. What you mean it is that is smaller tank than the Vfr 800. Breaking are from CBR 1000 fire blade só as the mirrors. You can put quick shifter on it. You can change how your feet stay on the bike with those special racing kits, and you can change how your hands get into the bike. Few bikes have so high quality construction as that one. Do you know that the more electronica gimmicks they put into those things the more risks you have to your life. If you want to drive, so smooth, and you want a sofa and two wheels, the answer is called Goldwing.

[@Subaruktm]

And yes, that thing looks amazing in white. I believe the the rims came in gray, so those were probably painted or powder coated. Which lights do you have in the suspension? Take care safe travels.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Yes, the tank was reduced from the 800 by I believe 4 liters, then increased in later 1200s by .5

[@Subaruktm]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours. In 2012 models

[@Subaruktm]

No don’t sell

[@paulsmith7601]

The gl1800 is a cruiser .... not a sports tourer.... I have the vfr1200f dct ... which has all of the gear features of the golwing ... trip tronic and automatic drive modes .... the vfr 800 is a sharp small bike ... the 1200f is a large comfy machine that doesn't have you pointing your feet down the road 😉

[@paulsmith7601]

I have the pearl white full luggage dct version...and I have ride modes sports, drive and trip tronic ...and cruise control although its friction and you cam find yourself slowly accelerating above the speed limit by accident 😅

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

No doubt is the one bike that gets me the most unwanted attention from police

[@blackk1UK]

Nice review. Honda completely missed with this bike. The range is just too low for the touring side but the bike is just too big/heavy for the sport bit. It should have been a VFR800 with more engine and I think it would have sold in big numbers. Such as a shame as it could have been so good!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

The interesting tub is that the newest version of the 800 was all of that in comparison to the previous 800 but the sales were still so few. It's a bit confusing as to why.

[@renatobonadia8369]

Well, I have one and I’ll keep it. ❤

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Satisfied owner. Good to hear. I think I will too if I tame this fueling.

[@solidsnake3861]

i like the looks and cool engine shaft drive etc but its to sporty, the fjr is better or gtr kawa are more touring and have immense power

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I owned and have reviewed the GTR akak concourse. I've not owned the for yet but can't wait to find one. I hear fantastic things about them.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

Gorgeous bike

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thank you. I rent it on rider share in San Diego if you're ever in town.

[@jakarandamotor]

VFR still looks futuristic until now

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Totally agreed.

[@sociopathmercenary]

LOL You sir have a bad case of motorcycle ADHD. Love it!

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I got a fever..... amd the only medicine Is more cowbell!

[@tipo17d]

Rear tire on SV :P

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I don't understand

[@bostjankokot505]

Just put on tooth les sprocket on front and you have better gearing..

[@Wajang1]

The Honda ST 1300 is more relaxed, try that bike.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I hear nothing but amazing things.

[@m.f.m.67]

The big problem with Honda is, they never improve their products. If sales are not what they expect, they just throw in the towel and discontinue the model. They do it time after time. A good example is cruise control. With the exception of the Gold Wing, Honda never put cruise control on ANYTHING! So out of touch with what modern riders want.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for sharing. The 2012 models had traction control and better throttle response along with the DCT option but I hear you. For a sport tourer cruise control is a must.

[@MYMOTO7]

bro's cons are my pros...

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

The bro thanks you for watching and participating in the conversation.

[@Youdaboob]

I feel like most of your points against this bike are moot and mostly just not applicable here. The bike is like 20 years old. Even the goldwing back then didn’t have standard cruise? I’m not sure who would have that leaves you expecting such an option?? BMW? Either way simple fix. Your complaint about the responsiveness i also find a bit annoying as you continue on about the shaft drive lol. Of course it’s responsive. You’ll have to get used to it or make it less responsive but who does such a thing? Today the big complaint is throttle lag- just can’t please the masses. You’ve left out some points about this being the first bike optioned with Hondas DCT. This is as a huge tech leap and this bike was the showcase. The single sided swingarm- was this a first for Honda? This thing was way ahead of its time yes but don’t dismiss it’s actual age and the fact that it’s still 100% relevant among todays bikes. A huge feat. Grab any other bike from this year and see if it keeps up. I say it’s amazing and I’ve always wanted one. Will have one

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thanks for participating in the conversation. Goldwings from 20 years ago in fact came with cruise control (and were using shaft drives in the 70s - Ive had two fisrt gen wings and have reviewed them here if younare curious about the technology introduced.. So this bike didn't do anything new there). The responsiveness has nothing to do with shaft drives, its more about the ignition system and mapping so I'm not understanding the connection you are pointing at there. I didn't have the dct version so I can comment but by 2012 when it came out, the throttle was made better and traction control made available - another key thing all sport tourers need to have in my opinion. It is indeed a fantastic bike and a great bang for the buck, sp I actually still ride it. If you are ever I. SD reach out and Take a spin. Cheers. Nik

[@paulwalton7820]

I have had one. Heavy clutch, clunky gear change, and the noise is awful. I have a zzr1400 there is no comparison whatsoever, beats the vfr in every area.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

That's the second time I hear that in the comment section. I'm gonna have to get one myself amd see if I agree.

[@myz06rocks]

I’ve got a VFR 800, 1200 and an ST1300. Sounds to me that the ST would be better for you after listening to your list of grievances at the beginning. Trust me the ST can hold its own. For me my 2015 800 isn’t as good as either.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

For some reason the lines of the st never appeared to me. It looks to utilitarian. And associated with police which isn't bad since cars tent to move out of the way. But I've heard this suggestion before and will have to check into it. Thanks for watching.

[@myz06rocks]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours I don’t disagree. I sort of felt the same way but the ST will absolutely grow on you. I’ve taken it on long cruises, dragged the tow pegs around corners (carrying full luggage), ridden at the speed limit and other times double it. It’ll make you a believer. I’m sure. Prior owner of the ST was my father and ironically he only gave to to me because at 76 years old it finally got too heavy for him to handle in parking lots. He said the same things to me about the ST as I’m saying to you. LOL. i was equally as skeptical !

[@Subaruktm]

With a kardan you have less hassle

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

What's a Kardan?

[@jurepecnik9054]

He means Shaft drive... We call it Kardan in east Slovanian part of Europe 😁

[@Subaruktm]

A real man in his right mind buys the 1200f or a Yamaha fjr 1300 . The kardan is called so after Cardano. OK someone forgot engineering classes Thanks for posting this. It looks amazing. You can buy fuel bladders and carry them And you can flash the EC you, and get a Dyno jet. And remember, she is not old …. you are . Get lsl kit or abm . Change seat or foot pegs. Lose weight or gain weight. She not boring … humans are. And this was designed and engineered near by Lil Japanese guys. So appreciate it. If you want to cruise control ……. Buy a cruiser ……

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thank you. Learned somethig new

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I still have to ow. The fjr

[@Ari--d]

perhaps try a bmw s1000xr. Ugly but capable

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Almost pulled the trigger on it in red last year. Will have to try it bit the Guzzi Mandelo with luggage appeals to me

[@Ari--d]

i like a screamer. maybe the try the turismo veloche. nice bags on it @@pegasusmotorcycletours

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Yes I might pick up a T. V in the coming weeks but the numbers don't even come close to the performance of my vfr. It's half the bike basically. I'm also a little worried about maintenence.

[@Ari--d]

similar power to the vfr800 though.@@pegasusmotorcycletours

[@jimstenlund6017]

I’m blinded by the white😎

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

You should see it in the sunlight!

[@solidsnake3861]

pametan sa sidecart ideom svaka cast poz iz Bosne

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Hvala hvala. Grad San Diego je odlican za to. Dobro klima.

[@solidsnake3861]

@@pegasusmotorcycletours svaka cast nek je sa srecom

[@twowheelstouring482]

Way too heavy, nothing else to say, K1300s slays this in every metric.

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I'm riding the k1300 now in motorsport colors. It is married to the hannigan super sport sidecar I talk about in my review of the k1200s. Please. Stay tuned for that review.

[@chrisfrancis5569]

it's not a crotch rocket it's a Cruise....missile?

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

For real. A bike that demands respect.

[@AW8UK]

Wow ...I took time tk make a constructive comment response to the video & it disappeared 😊 My most important point was.....if your bike has had ECU reflash changes or other tuning it is not representative of the factory VFR1200F models. Also 2012 model deliver power differently. I have ridden a 2012 VFR1200F it was powerful but smooth. I have also ridden a K1300S. As for looking back whilst distracted and what happened after.....Sure the bike was a factor but the bike should not be dangerous if ridden well. I agree with another reply here......2014 VFR800 onwards might suit...but maybe try a 2012 VFR1200F running standard tune 1st. Thanks 😊

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

Thank you for watching and taking the time twice to chime in. I will take a closer look at the newer 800, and yes, mine was reflashed so it definitely had an affect. But I hear the stock fueling was also quite problematic. Thanks for the support.

[@alfred3640]

Promo>SM

[@pegasusmotorcycletours]

I don't understand