Peggle Speedrunning History - Any%

[@DougDoug]

GREATEST VIDEOGAME GREATEST SPEEDRUN GREATEST COMMUNITY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@fstapled9204]

RAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

[@iSpamOnline]

look its the funny peggle man

[@ivan0912]

bjorn approves this message

[@Ascension721]

DougDoug, thanks for indirectly getting me into peggle speedruns.

[@daruinosui7782]

doogdug is good at 2d platformers

[@pnaha]

Watching a recap of my Peggle endeavors in the past ~5 years and reliving those WR moments was quite moving, thanks Poetry. Also I'd like to thank the whole Peggle community, I've gotten to know a lot of awesome people obsessing together on this silly game. It's been a pleasure.

[@pnaha]

Also for anyone that's curious, I'd like to speak about why I haven't come back to Any% runs. It's something that Poetry didn't mention in the video, but all runners know it: pixel shots are very tedious to learn. At the height of my reign, there were maybe 5-10 pixels I had to know to stay at the top. Now there's over 100 I believe. While it's amazing to look at how optimized the game is now, I just don't find it as fun to run at a high level anymore. So in short, laziness. But thanks to not grinding runs every night, I've also had a lot of time to make Peggle Fevers, so that's nice!

[@satanherself294]

​@@pnaha Fevers mentioned! And yeah, pixels are a huge grind to not only learn but practice enough to remember on the fly most levels. Good choice for your sanity, pnaha the OG not pix-cel

[@zephiask1758]

@@pnaha Thats reasonable; I havent followed peggle speedruns yet I feel like you have bin the flame that kept the speedrun for that game alive; And you stopping to play 14 month sounded so relatable hah; I cannot imagine the height of finally achieving a WR just to few minutes later being crushed by the realization that on the same day someone else broke it. Stay awesome man

[@duncathan_salt]

I remember a while back you showed up in chat of my buddy's stream while he was working on his last few full clears and gave some tips. It's a delight to be able to follow the full story here

[@DeepestDarkestJungliestJungle]

@pnaha mitä edes on Pixel shots

[@EzTheo]

God I love Summoning Salt’s impact on this platform

[@PoetryStud]

He is an inspiration for speedrunners, as well as video editors like myself :) I certainly owe a lot to him!

[@kkeithf]

​@@PoetryStudwith how good you did on this video I would say your debt is paid, the rest of us still owe him

[@FacialVomitTurtleFights]

Using the Summoning salt "Theme music" kinda bugs me way more than it probably should.... like it's one thing to copy the homework, it's another to commit armed robbery in broad daylight...

[@PoetryStud]

@@FacialVomitTurtleFights I obviously take a lot of inspiration from Summoning Salt, and I certainly don't mind taking criticism and feedback towards my videos, but I have to call you out on this. In this video, I use 26 songs. 6 of those are from artists that Summoning Salt also uses in his videos. I also *specifically go out of my way* to make sure that I do not use the most iconic Summoning Salt song, which is HOME: We're Finally Landing, since that one is so tied to Summoning Salt's brand and identity. I use a few other HOME songs, but not that one. If you think that having 20% of my music overlap with Summoning Salt's counts as "committing armed robbery," then I think you're just looking for a reason to complain. Beyond that, while of course this video style is heavily inspired by Summoning Salt, I also think that I bring my own video-editing style to the table, and I'm proud of the work I did here.

[@ladooo_]

DOUGDOUG?? IN A PEGGLE SPEED RUNNING VIDEO? 😭😭😭

[@phoenixbrothers5924]

So I just started watching, and was a bit confused by the opening being outer wilds. So I hovered over the progress bar and got jump scared by my own name. Fucking terrifying. Great video though!

[@phoenixbrothers5924]

And it was a full on shoutout. Thank you, but I don't deserve it, I only strated for a couple months before I fell off. others like SatanHerself and Brassbeat definitely deserve much more credit than I ever will. They both did more and for much longer.

[@random_human__1209]

“The awesome and balding youtuber DougDoug” best quote of 2024

[@PoetryStud]

I knew Doug viewers would get a kick out of that one :P

[@dennisbrannvalls1fan964]

@@PoetryStud Peggle is my favourite 2D platformer

[@RoseQuartz692]

@@dennisbrannvalls1fan964 Is not a platformer

[@Ascension721]

​@@RoseQuartz692Okay but you cant tell me a platformer with bjorn as the main character wouldnt be fucking awesome

[@derinbecel]

I've been playing this game since 2009 and never would expect speedrunning to be a part of it. Thank you for taking the time to make this documentary style video, I really enjoyed it ❤ That Trackmania quote is really amazing and ended the video off in a great fashion too!

[@enickma910]

the algorithm has blessed me today. This is an excellent work and I look forward to seeing this channel grow.

[@PoetryStud]

Thank you for the kind words! I do have a couple other videos like this one, and a few other Peggle-related edits in general that I'm pretty proud of :)

[@Britsha]

really good video! great editing, very informative, well-narrated. some history i didn't even realise as a peggle runner. proud of this community!

[@Thonk6312]

dude i thought this would have a couple hundred thousand views, i was so shocked to see it has less than 10k. this vid is awesome with great info and editing. keep it up bro

[@einootspork]

Peggle is still a pretty niche speedgame, so I'm not super surprised. I'd love to see the community grow even more.

[@BLACKLIMA]

Nearly at 100k - it's getting there

[@einootspork]

@@BLACKLIMA hell yea man

[@satanherself294]

Awesome video Poetry! I appreciated the shoutout in the strats hunting section--I did a lot of work on tap strats back in the day. Even though I'm more of a nights gal myself I love deluxe any% and think it's a great show of Peggle skill. You definitely did the record grind justice and I can't wait to be here for even more peggle runs to come. Also, slight correction around 35:55--we actually don't think enter strats fire on the first available frame necessarily since me and a couple runners theorized enter strats for levels with moving pegs a while back and it doesn't seem to be consistent sadly. But it's still a really early frame so enter strats save time! I would also mention the SGDQ 2023 run as a big influx time for new runners (check that run out if you haven't, it's amazing!). As always, excellent addition to the peggle lore.

[@PoetryStud]

Yeah, I realized after posting the video that I should've mentioned the GDQ run! Apparently even though I talked to Jnano about his record, I didn't think to ask him how he got into the scene, and apparently it was from that run!

[@satanherself294]

@@PoetryStud Yeah I remember that! I think it may have brought polypies in and some other top runners/influential community members too. Maybe I'll have to make my own video to mention it (or you'll just have to make more Peggle content... would not complain!)

[@Dilokto]

I didnt even know Peggle had such a dedicated Speedrun community. Great video, its only a matter of time until the views come flooding in, if you keep up that great work! :) (you also have a great voice for this format)

[@theslipperyunicorns4544]

Awesome video!! As someone who has been silently following the peggle speedrunning scene for a couple years now, this was a pleasure to watch :) 10/10

[@PoetryStud]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@phoenixbrothers5924]

Very soon after doug started running Claude runs, I started strating entirely because doug's runs would often die on 11-2. So I found a way to get consistent slides on most of the slants (by finding (inconsistent) edge shots and making a terrible notation system). But what I find crazy is that those, multiple year old, shots are now back but with actually good pixel-shot setups. I had thought that strat was dead because everyone just used fireballs.

[@HumbleBeeUK]

Brilliant video. Well-written, nice audio mixing, good music, well-spoken, and a nice documentary.

[@C4UT1ONW3TFL00R]

Im surprised this has such low views, as corny as that is a thing to say. The editing and commentary is very interesting and fluid, and this is overall very very well put together!! I love me a banger video to put on while i draw. Kickass vid dude !! Keep making !!

[@bobotroi6080]

This was a very good watch as a top runner from another speedrun community. I love seeing how far the community has optimised these wrs

[@nidoroide]

Came for the title, stayed for the music, subscribed for everything else

[@jamesm6830]

This is really really well made. Your style of commentary is really relaxed and enjoyable to listen to and obviously you’re a subject matter expert. I played peggle when it first came out but happily sat through the entire video as it was so good. I hope the algo pops off for you.

[@PoetryStud]

Thank you!

[@yaripekka208]

I love the finnish national anthem while talking about pnaha. Awesome touch :DD

[@thej3799]

I am been looking for a good updated video on peggle speedrunning. There aren't very many videos about it. Thanks for this.

[@paritoshd]

It's been 8 years since we played that MP game of CK2 where your son was the Antichrist. I'm sure at the time, none of us had any idea of what Peggle was, but I was truly sucked into this world through your streams during the pandemic.

[@dukedunac]

hell yeah

[@PoetryStud]

Glad to have you around Paritosh :)

[@ThereminHero]

I wasn't aware of this community at all, this is awesome. I recently spent a weekend trying to decompile peggle deluxe with the aim of building a TAS tool. Unfortunately it looked like much more effort than I expected. Maybe this will be the motivation needed to try again.

[@PoetryStud]

As far as I know, a few people have worked on TAS tools, but I have yet to see a fully completed run of the game with TAS! Well, unless you count the 11 hour run that my poorly coded Python bot did 😄

[@itsthesteve]

I love these deep dives on speedruns of any game. Every time I think they're gonna crown the champion it's only half way over.

[@PoetryStud]

Well in the end there's always another champion waiting to be crowned :)

[@themadvirus613]

There's a saying I heard third hand from a Mike Tyson's punch out speedrunner (Pap), "sometimes if you go slower, you can go faster." if you're wondering, it's said in the video where he tries the low score TAS

[@Blitz_Noodler03]

I'm not kidding. When you were explain the heat maps, I thought that, you would need to figure out some peg per second ratio or something to compare the different strategies, and sorta assumed that's what everyone else would have been doing to get the speeds they had and my mind was flipping blown when you said someone new came in and did just that.

[@PoetryStud]

Yeah, for the most part people just tried some of the more promising lines to see which ones they liked! The problem is that the heatmaps originally only looked at number of pegs hit, without accounting for how long it took, so some of the lines that the simulation pointed to wouldn't necessarily be the fastest/most efficient, and of course there's also something to be said for some shots being easier to line up than others. But yeah, now we're starting to see more stat-driven approaches to comparing strats! It's neat stuff.

[@Piron4]

@@PoetryStud I'll be here waiting for the next history video when you delve into lining up the shots with mousekeys

[@Ryan-if8jn]

This video inspired me to start playing Peggle after not knowing a thing about it, thank you

[@PoetryStud]

It's a great game to play at both a casual level and a speedrunning level :) If you do get into the speedrunning side of things, there is a peggle discord where a lot of us runners congregate, and you can find a link on the speedrun.com page for Peggle!

[@cerevantes1234]

YES! Finally someone who understands what makes Summoning Salt's videos amazing. Not the information about speedrunning. Not the secret tech. But rather the narrative

[@Alaskaalien]

Damn, thats some nicely displayed ball on peg action!

[@Unk]

This was absolutely wonderful - thanks so much for putting it together! Very excited to dive into the rest of your channel :)

[@thecreatorgd4410]

This video is gonna pop off, it was so good ❤️

[@jjjoker5766]

I've never played or heard of peggle before, but this video is amazingly made and deserves more recognition. Also, as someone who plays trackmania, when you began introducing the quote I jokinging said the karjen quote aloud, and was really shocked when you repeated it lol.

[@PoetryStud]

It's a great quote that pretty much applies to any speedrunning/speedgame, and I was reminded of when doing the script for the video :) I'm a casual trackmania player myself, but I always love sharing quotes from other speedrunning scenes, especially when they get to the core of speedrunning like that quote does!

[@minedea101]

101 mentioned 🗣 🔥 Grime shot is too powerful W vid as always

[@2smokindukes]

Peggle, Ocarina of Time, Pokémon Crystal. Solid childhood.

[@jacobs2784]

Like a few months ago I was wanting to see a Peggle speed run history video but couldn’t find one. Psyched to see this, easy like from me

[@_Pyroon_]

Brings me back to my world of warcraft days...

[@PoetryStud]

Fun fact; there is a free stand-alone Peggle WoW spin-off game, and it also has several cool categories to speedrun! I have actually ran that one quite a bit myself :)

[@DonYagamoth]

This was a great watch, thank you for putting this together :)

[@herrpez]

18:07 - I hope to never be introduced this way! 😂

[@vixwashere7811]

Just started the video. DougDoug better be in this.

[@vixwashere7811]

W

[@PoetryStud]

@@vixwashere7811 I wouldn't be making this video without him! :)

[@cxgamer9680]

Thanks for ISO 8601 date formatting!

[@PoetryStud]

Haha in the end I didn't want to make it too confusing, since I'm American, but alot of the Pegglers are not, so I decided to go with something neutral :P

[@lilbilMT]

So sick man, absolutely love speed running vids. Yours is super HQ, great story telling.

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks!

[@CruxalYT]

Masterful video, thank you for blessing my recommendations! subbed

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks! I'm not sure any of my future videos will match this one, but I will certainly try :)

[@mtat_tm]

karjen citation caught me off guard, great vid

[@Bass_TTV]

Fr, was not expecting that lmao

[@PoetryStud]

Oh hey, Bass! I recognize you from Wirtual vids :) And I love Trackmania, although I am a (very) casual player haha

[@AlmostNamedOne]

yo polypies 49 minute run was on my burfday last year! great video

[@dennismatsson9995]

easiest subscribe of my life! banger video mate

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks!

[@Zm4rf]

video of this size aint easy good work

[@matthewdutton9910]

This was awesome. Thankyou!!

[@PoetryStud]

Glad you enjoyed :)

[@psyhodelik]

Love this Game so much. Never think about a speed run. Thansk for your video

[@PoetryStud]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Hamburglarist]

Amazing video! Subbed instantly. I was rooting for you to get the record somehow, but even making top 10 is an insane accomplishment, well done! Btw, you have an incredible voice, very soothing to listen to and perfect for narration.

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks! I actually peaked very briefly at 3rd (for like 2 days lol), but I've never been anywhere close to having the skill needed to get the record :P Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@blahblahrandoms966]

Where are all the views! This was so awesome to see summed up

[@alkki4294]

i acidentally slept and woke up to finnish national anthem playing was so confused

[@hoennfanboy]

I love peggle so mf much i just got my ps4 working and have been replaying peggle 2. Ive been waiting for a vid about peggle speedruns since idk much, THANK YOU!!

[@PoetryStud]

Glad you enjoyed :) I've never played Peggle 2, maybe ill try it sometime

[@hoennfanboy]

@@PoetryStud I wish peggle 3 would even exist, but alas, EA will just make the same sports games over and over again every year and add 500 dlc to Sims 4 instead 😔😔 Ive actually only ever played peggle 2 bc it came with plants v zombies , ill have to check out the original :D + Peggle 2 is so much fun i love it dearly

[@Microo_69]

great video tbh never heared of the game but love the history

[@dukedunac]

no way. peggle.

[@HumbleBeeUK]

Pegl...................

[@myvalekcz6656]

Pego

[@FaffyWaffles]

This is so high quality, wow!

[@Henjoness]

Damn its weird to see my name in a random video after 10 years 2:20 Good job keeping the spirit of pegging alive

[@urlocallazerbird8531]

nice vid, might consider running Peggle Adventure mode again, in fact, I'm gonna do it rn, hopefully it ends up as a better time at least edit: gotta appreciate that DougDoug got involved in it

[@justinsugalski6161]

Time to play the best damn Peggle of my life.

[@zim00123]

0:58 GRAYFRUIT MENTIONED

[@quartzofcourse]

I was jokingly thinking man what if Grayfruit was in this video and then his clip was in the first minute damn

[@quartzofcourse]

I mean redez could never

[@valfonso678]

I LOVE PEGGING!!!

[@whiggy6976]

Nice work Poetry

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks Whiggy :)

[@ianstratton1629]

I’m really surprised none of the top players use the helix strat where the ball sits in the middle of the helix and gets all the pegs. Opting to go for the fireball strat instead. My guess is fireball is faster?

[@PoetryStud]

Yep, it's just faster to use the fireball for the most part! But for other runs, such as EGM (100%) speedruns, where you need to complete the 750k challenge, that is a key strat, as well as in many of the Individual Master runs, where you can only use one master.

[@Failentin]

It's funny seeing Dowolf's name here, I remember his great work on Ace Attorney fan translations. I had no idea he was one of the first Peggle speedrunners!

[@PoetryStud]

That's awesome! Even though he hasn't run recently, several of us current Peggle speedrunners met him at SGDQ 2023, and that was really fun. At that point I hadn't even thought about making these sorts of videos, otherwise I would've interviewed him about it or something haha

[@UzzyT.]

Fantastic video mate.

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks :)

[@AndGoatz04]

hearing dougdoug's name in a WR history essay feels bizzare

[@Square_One]

I HECKIN LOVE PEGGLE

[@stephensteele2844]

Hey look it’s summoning pepper

[@quartzofcourse]

Conjuring coriander Ordering oregano Gathering garlic Assembling anise Mustering Msg Procuring pepper Requisitioning Ranch

[@SlimePunkGaming]

I'm a simple man. I see a speedrun history video and I click. I also like and subscribe.

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks for the support!

[@ChumleyYT]

I have like 700+ hours in this game and I didn’t know people speedran it but I already do some of these strats lol might give speedrunning a shot

[@PoetryStud]

Hell yeah!

[@Tommygun_gg]

great vid man

[@huntermastin3581]

Im here before the video blows up and dougdoug comments

[@Fidothedog11212]

That trackmania quote has to come from Wirtual

[@PoetryStud]

Well, I found it from Wirtual cause he used it in a video, but it's originally from Karjen, one of the legends of TMNF! :)

[@fractuz]

Since you mentioned Trackmania, I feel like I have to point out that it has a genre of maps that's very similar to Peggle in way. Kacky! Just like Peggle, kacky maps are somehwat luck-based but still deterministic. And the Trackmania community has developed something very similar to tap-shots, they call it "low input strategies". Basically it involves doing only a minimal number of inputs in the run in order to maximize the chance to perfectly reproduce a known-good path.

[@PoetryStud]

Kacky is great! Although I have only maybe done ~2 hours ever of Kacky lol But yeah I can see the comparison :)

[@FailBanana98]

PEGGLE IS SUCH A GREAT GAME I LOVE PEGGING!!!

[@mps10000]

like if you came here from watching @DougDoug's peggle vids.

[@reverently]

did I just watch a 50 minute video about Peggle? Yes, yes I did

[@DronkenKater]

its 3AM how did I end up watching a 50 min long Peggy speedrun documentary

[@idontwantahandlethough]

TOTALLY TUBULAR

[@naetrr]

This was excellent

[@GeneralArmorus]

whoa Peggle? thats not the name I expected to see. been a while since i finished it way back in the early days

[@Mj-xe9ek]

Less than 5k subs is criminal

[@alexanderternerot9998]

Lol, that cinderstrat at 39.40, me and my brother abused that a lot in like 2007

[@Hiru666]

*be me: knows literally nothing about peggle, never even heard about it* youtube: here's a 50 minute video about peggle speedrunning history also me: sign me the fuck up right now

[@tr0wb3d3r5]

W algo pull 🎃

[@kw4093-v3p]

this is my type of video

[@user-ch9vd4cd3t]

Great video, really enjoyed it. Surprised to hear Peggle has such an active speedrun scene, strikes me as a game that's built for hi score but I guess speedrun popularity took over hi score long ago lol. One thing that sticks out to me - in all the set up for all the consistent strats, why are people only landing free balls half the time? It's not lie they're trying and missing by a small amount, often the bucket is miles away from where the shot falls. I appreciate you're prioritising speed but you can move the bucket a full cycle in less than two seconds with the fast forward. Why aren't runners lining up the bucket in the same place for guaranteed free balls?

[@satanherself294]

Really good question! I'm not Poetry but I am another runner who's been around for a while but there's a couple of answers. First off, there are some strategies (like the taps and pixels he talked about) where runners will line the bucket up for guaranteed free balls because they know exactly where the bucket needs to be to get one. That does help levels be more reliable and consistent. But the other answer to the question is that lining up the bucket takes more time when you don't know exactly where it's going to need to be, and oftentimes if you're a bit off the ball will bounce off the bucket and lose even more time. So usually if you can't be sure you'll get a free ball, you won't want the bucket to be near the ball at the end. So developing the instinct to avoid the ball bucket is something top runners do. Hope that helps!

[@jaymes4750]

making a peggle video without knowing how to pronounce peggle is a huge power move

[@PoetryStud]

:'(

[@Knight_Vibes]

Yooo hey got my boi grayfruit in there hell yeah!

[@PoetryStud]

Yep! I only found Grayfruit after I found Doug and Peggle, but I do like Grayfruit as well :)

[@snake3929]

Pnaha the goat fr 🐐

[@hughjainus9686]

I wish my girlfriend would peggle me

[@PoetryStud]

Based

[@joshuaroughan3350]

Quality video 👌🏼

[@meowdy..]

sick vid bro

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks!

[@武嶋タナトス]

Pnaha the goat

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

I kinda love how a silly influencer on the internet playing a childhood game can still bring together communities around said game in the modern day

[@JonathanScarlet]

"You only push the limit further away" Until you get to a point where there literally isn't any other improvement left. Which sounds cliche and contradictory, until you realize that there are only a handful of games and maybe only hundreds of ILs) where the actual theoretical human limit has been reached. And of those is an even smaller subset where humans have matched any known TAS's or what can be called THE perfect speedrun (i.e. dragster). I think it should be pointed out that limits are there, but we almost always have so much more room to dig until that bottom is finally reached. I also can't believe I watched a 50-minute doc on a PC arcade game I never cared to play before.

[@PoetryStud]

Glad you enjoyed enough to watch the video through :) And in the end, the thing with Peggle is that we know the human sum of best for Any% is more than 13 minutes faster than current record, and seeing as how currently it seems only really feasible to shave off 3 or 4 minutes max, it seems like there will always be more seconds to shave off! Getting the perfect generation in combination with perfect play is essentially impossible, but it's always possible to do a little better than before :P

[@kkeithf]

Great job good video

[@PoetryStud]

Thanks!

[@CherryDad]

Hades speedrunning is very similar, where high level speedrunning is just the same skills refined over hundreds of hours and experience

[@PoetryStud]

I love Hades (as a casual player), and I never even thought about that as a comparison, but that makes sense! I could see that being similar in that the RNG ultimately determines how you might approach things, but in the end the limit is really determined by player skill after hundreds of attempts (or at least that's what I'm guessing!) Thanks for the comparison :)

[@HeliosWx]

Cinema

[@liamleslie5505]

lmao fuck the anzac chapter title got me. subscribing

[@Falcrist]

Sometimes you can reach the limit, but very few games are ever truly "solved". Mario comes to mind, though.

[@PoetryStud]

Yep! And for a game like Peggle which at a very very high level would theoretically rely on pure level generation RNG, it is certainly never solvable in a literal sense.